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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:31:06 77,476 posts
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    All fixed. Not that you couldn't play it with a pad as well.

    If you're going to pull examples out of the air, at least get it right. Dark Souls is the only bad port in the last couple of years and again that was fixed by the community. The modding scene is nothing to be sniffed at.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:31:28 23-01-2013

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:33:41 77,476 posts
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    Boab wrote:
    The Steam box whatever it is will be cool but it's not going to fuck over console sales in any meaningful way. I'm not even sure why it's being discussed here.
    Because it's being pitched to the same market.

    I think it's a piece of shit though and wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, but as game boxes go, it's like nothing the pad chewers have ever seen before.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:34:39 23-01-2013

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  • Deleted user 23 January 2013 16:34:23
    It's no more a console than any other PC.
  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:35:10 77,476 posts
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    Well that's where you're wrong.

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  • Lukus 23 Jan 2013 16:35:33 18,999 posts
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    It is just a PC as far as I can tell. But smaller.

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:36:19 77,476 posts
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    No more than the next influx of consoles.

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  • Deleted user 23 January 2013 16:36:29
    Yeah right.
  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:38:00 77,476 posts
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    Well, it doesn't have an OS for a start, it just boots straight into steam. No drivers, no desktop, no installing Word, it doesn't even have a keyboard or mouse etc. It's just a pure gaming box.

    That makes it a console in my eyes.

    Set your Steam to big picture mode and you'll see what it's going to look like and how it behaves. It's not a PC.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:42:49 23-01-2013

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  • whatfruit 23 Jan 2013 16:42:36 1,291 posts
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    Where are you getting this info from Dirtbox? because in actual offical info released from Valve other than "we are really excited" and the investment news regarding some sort of partnership in regards to piston with X3, Valve have told us nothing in regards to how the steambox will work in terms of OS, specs, steam intergration or even how it will work?

    While i am excited at the prospect of Valve entering the hardware market, at this time we have no data to make any assumptions other than Valve are a pretty rocking company with a good track record of attaining their goals.

    Edited by whatfruit at 16:47:00 23-01-2013
  • Lukus 23 Jan 2013 16:44:07 18,999 posts
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    But you can install windows and linux on it if you want.

    I just don't really get it. There are going to be differing hardware specs available presumably by different manufacturers, which undoes a lot of the potential in a way. Games developed with a certain spec in mind achieving greater things usually.

    I'd rather build my own. In fact, they should just release the Steam booter thingy whatsit on disk and let people create their own Steam Boxes, without an OS, if that's what they want.

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  • LeoliansBro 23 Jan 2013 16:44:11 43,236 posts
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    Does the Steambox essentially self-obsolete then as newer games are released on Steam that it can't handle?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:45:30 77,476 posts
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    I read it in several places, there are quite a few interviews with Newell and it's the whole reason Big Picture was created, that's the landing page of the OS.

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3852144/gabe-newell-interview-steam-box-future-of-gaming

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:59:26 23-01-2013

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:47:29 77,476 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    But you can install windows and linux on it if you want.

    I just don't really get it. There are going to be differing hardware specs available presumably by different manufacturers, which undoes a lot of the potential in a way. Games developed with a certain spec in mind achieving greater things usually.

    I'd rather build my own. In fact, they should just release the Steam booter thingy whatsit on disk and let people create their own Steam Boxes, without an OS, if that's what they want.
    You can if you want. Read back a couple of pages.

    It's PC hardware with a shiny gaming interface but according to Newell you can wipe it and install windows or whatever if you want.

    The point is, it's not being pitched as a PC, it's being pitched as a games machine and out of the box it's no more flexible than a PS3.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:50:26 23-01-2013

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  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 16:49:29 77,476 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Does the Steambox essentially self-obsolete then as newer games are released on Steam that it can't handle?
    No more than consoles do, except they call it 'generations'.

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  • Psychotext 23 Jan 2013 16:52:02 53,849 posts
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    Kryton wrote:
    Yeah I get all that, but as problems go, it's not insurmountable...
    Definitely not... but as problems go I can avoid it completely by not actually buying the next gen machine. :p

    Then when I'm done with my 360 I'll move on. That'll take a while though.
  • andijames 23 Jan 2013 16:55:56 2,694 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Does the Steambox essentially self-obsolete then as newer games are released on Steam that it can't handle?
    No more than consoles do, except they call it 'generations'.
    Don't forget these Steam based games will be hardly optimised for a 'games only' machine though will they? They'll be built with PC in mind. Given that then surely the cycle of having to replace hardware will most likely be higher on a steam box than on a console as dev's won't optimise the code as much on steam as they do on a fixed console platform?

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  • LeoliansBro 23 Jan 2013 16:56:36 43,236 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Does the Steambox essentially self-obsolete then as newer games are released on Steam that it can't handle?
    No more than consoles do, except they call it 'generations'.
    Have to disagree. Consoles are locked in step with the generational advances, you're guaranteed that games will continue to be made for that console (assuming initial sales are a success etc) because the games are made solely for the console. But games for tyhe Steambox are also amde for the PC.

    To clarify, imagine a Steambox released just before the jump to hardware acceleration. Within a couple of years everyone had stuck a Voodoo card in their machines and all the games being developed used 3DFX. The Steambox would be essentially dead.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • andijames 23 Jan 2013 16:56:39 2,694 posts
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    vivir el momento

  • Leolian 23 Jan 2013 16:57:56 1,073 posts
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    @LeoliansBro It supposedly works as a media streamer to stream the image and sound from a larger pc, presumably your main "rig" in the office or similar. It is also capable of running some games with low power requirements. It was never meant to run full fat games itself. Info from Giantbombcast.
  • mrpon 23 Jan 2013 16:59:42 28,479 posts
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    Streambox

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • Leolian 23 Jan 2013 17:00:12 1,073 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Does the Steambox essentially self-obsolete then as newer games are released on Steam that it can't handle?
    No more than consoles do, except they call it 'generations'.
    Have to disagree. Consoles are locked in step with the generational advances, you're guaranteed that games will continue to be made for that console (assuming initial sales are a success etc) because the games are made solely for the console. But games for tyhe Steambox are also amde for the PC.

    To clarify, imagine a Steambox released just before the jump to hardware acceleration. Within a couple of years everyone had stuck a Voodoo card in their machines and all the games being developed used 3DFX. The Steambox would be essentially dead.
    Also, consoles are specifically programmed for so that every drop of potential can be squeezed out of (very) ageing hardware. This doesn't happen for pcs.
  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 17:00:13 77,476 posts
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    @LeoliansBro That's the magic of marketing spin.

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  • LeoliansBro 23 Jan 2013 17:00:26 43,236 posts
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    Leolian wrote:
    @LeoliansBro It supposedly works as a media streamer to stream the image and sound from a larger pc, presumably your main "rig" in the office or similar. It is also capable of running some games with low power requirements. It was never meant to run full fat games itself. Info from Giantbombcast.
    Ah.

    So what's the point then? Can't you do that with a cable?

    Edited by LeoliansBro at 17:00:57 23-01-2013

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 17:01:50 77,476 posts
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    @Leolian It does with fixed hardware.

    But you've misread that article, it is the main box.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 17:02:25 23-01-2013

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  • Leolian 23 Jan 2013 17:02:40 1,073 posts
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    Yeah. But you'd need a long cable for your video, audio, keyboard, mouse and gamepad. It's like a local version of onlive with a significant reduction in lag and improved image quality. If the price is right, I'll definately get one.
  • Leolian 23 Jan 2013 17:03:37 1,073 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    @Leolian It does with fixed hardware.

    But you've misread that article, it is the main box.
    Which article?
  • LeoliansBro 23 Jan 2013 17:03:47 43,236 posts
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    Yeah, who knows - if I can play Steam games on my telly I might actually download some of those titles you got me ;)

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Dirtbox 23 Jan 2013 17:04:57 77,476 posts
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    I linked the interview they're paraphrasing above, I suggest you read it because you or Giant Bomb have got it very wrong somewhere. It's not a streaming box, it has streaming tech that can put the picture on whatever screen you're at in the house.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 17:06:47 23-01-2013

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  • Leolian 23 Jan 2013 17:05:00 1,073 posts
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    Sure. I believe you. really.
  • RyanDS 23 Jan 2013 17:06:14 9,062 posts
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    If the PS3 and 360 can be classified as consoles when they run Linux / web browsers / media players / film rentals / can use keyboards and so on, I don't really see how the steambox won't count as a console really.
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