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  • roz123 10 Jan 2013 13:42:04 7,112 posts
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    http://until-rafa-goes.co.uk/
    Hopefully the next 170 days go quickly :lol:
  • Zizoo 10 Jan 2013 13:44:42 8,240 posts
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    So extreme.
  • THFourteen 10 Jan 2013 13:45:08 33,089 posts
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    Hmmm any highlight reel that has to have penalties in it doesnt bode well.

    Got a touch of the chamakhs about it.
  • ElNino9 10 Jan 2013 13:45:45 13,313 posts
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    Not being funny, but Rafa didn't make those horrendous back passes last night, he's didn't make Torres shite, he didn't see the spine of your success get old or leave.

    You're just not as good as you once were.

    Hated, adored, never ignored.

  • Dougs 10 Jan 2013 13:46:08 67,015 posts
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    And AVB saying Spurs should sign Leandro
  • kentmonkey 10 Jan 2013 13:46:32 20,529 posts
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    I've actually heard, and seen, quite a bit about Negredo.

    Can't really add much that Kalel hasn't already though.

    If £10m or under I think likely to be an alright deal. Wouldn't pay much more though. May stretch to £12m if Gervinho goes the other way.
  • roz123 10 Jan 2013 13:49:38 7,112 posts
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    ElNino9 wrote:
    Not being funny, but Rafa didn't make those horrendous back passes last night, he's didn't make Torres shite, he didn't see the spine of your success get old or leave.

    You're just not as good as you once were.
    I haven't been blaming him for our poor performances despite our abysmal home record since he joined, I just don't like him.
  • captbirdseye 10 Jan 2013 13:50:40 4,833 posts
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    @roz123

    Can't wait for the flag waving celebration :p.
  • THFourteen 10 Jan 2013 13:51:22 33,089 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    I've actually heard, and seen, quite a bit about Negredo.

    Can't really add much that Kalel hasn't already though.

    If £10m or under I think likely to be an alright deal. Wouldn't pay much more though. May stretch to £12m if Gervinho goes the other way.
    great. sounds like super super quality.
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2013 13:52:30 67,015 posts
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    @WhoScored: Įlvaro Negredo: Only Cristiano Ronaldo (16) has missed more clear cut chances in Europe's top 5 leagues this season than Negredo (15)
  • kentmonkey 10 Jan 2013 13:53:02 20,529 posts
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    On a par with Eduardo in terms of quality (not style). He'll do a job, but no, not going to solve all our problems.
  • THFourteen 10 Jan 2013 13:53:42 33,089 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    @WhoScored: Įlvaro Negredo: Only Cristiano Ronaldo (16) has missed more clear cut chances in Europe's top 5 leagues this season than Negredo (15)
    O_o

    we dont even create many chances. thats all we need.

    tbh if you cant get 30 goals a season in spain you aren't very good

    Edited by THFourteen at 13:54:09 10-01-2013
  • kalel 10 Jan 2013 13:55:54 86,743 posts
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    He was the guy who Del Bosque was playing instead of Torres in the Euros.

    I think there's a decent chance the team is QPR tbh.
  • Dougs 10 Jan 2013 13:57:45 67,015 posts
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    Could be a good shout.
  • nickthegun 10 Jan 2013 14:00:10 59,312 posts
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    ElNino9 wrote:
    Not being funny, but Rafa didn't make those horrendous back passes last night, he's didn't make Torres shite, he didn't see the spine of your success get old or leave.
    He did "choose" to play a desperately out of form striker over a brand new, in form one and then compound the misery by leaving him on for so long when the substitution came, it was too late to do anything.

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  • Ultrasoundwave 10 Jan 2013 14:04:50 3,276 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    ElNino9 wrote:
    Not being funny, but Rafa didn't make those horrendous back passes last night, he's didn't make Torres shite, he didn't see the spine of your success get old or leave.
    He did "choose" to play a desperately out of form striker over a brand new, in form one and then compound the misery by leaving him on for so long when the substitution came, it was too late to do anything.
    Exactly.

    I honestly wouldnt be surprised if he starts Torres again on the weekend too.

    "The worst part is, I'll have to have the break-up sex with myself!"

  • liamthemaster 10 Jan 2013 14:11:11 1,586 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    ElNino9 wrote:
    Not being funny, but Rafa didn't make those horrendous back passes last night, he's didn't make Torres shite, he didn't see the spine of your success get old or leave.
    He did "choose" to play a desperately out of form striker over a brand new, in form one and then compound the misery by leaving him on for so long when the substitution came, it was too late to do anything.
    Wasn't one of the main reasons he was hired to bring torres back to form and to change the team to get the most out of him though ? I honestly wonder how much control he has over the team.
  • LeoliansBro 10 Jan 2013 14:12:14 43,631 posts
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    How long does Torres have to be 'out of form' before his time at Liverpool is reassessed as a one-off purple patch?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • kalel 10 Jan 2013 14:14:36 86,743 posts
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    There'll never be doubt that at one point he was fucking awesome. It wasn't a fluke (And besides, he was banging them at Athletico before Liverpool).

    He's never really come back from that injury. It took away his pace, and with that went his confidence.
  • Shikasama 10 Jan 2013 14:16:23 6,700 posts
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    Criticizing a Chelsea manager for starting Torres seems to display a lack of awareness about how the team is actually selected.
  • LeoliansBro 10 Jan 2013 14:16:44 43,631 posts
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    Take away the top flight expectation and put him in a flowing team and it might.

    Give him Arsenal :)

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • nickthegun 10 Jan 2013 14:19:48 59,312 posts
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    Despite everything that points to the contrary, I still find it hard to believe that even a multibillionare oligarch would, effectively, sabotage his own team, trying to prove everyone wrong and that torres is really awesome.

    Its just absolute insanity.

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  • King_Edward 10 Jan 2013 14:20:36 11,454 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    There'll never be doubt that at one point he was fucking awesome. It wasn't a fluke (And besides, he was banging them at Athletico before Liverpool).
    Is that true? I seem to remember him having a decent, but outrageous goal scoring record at Athletico.

    No disputing his first season at Liverpool though.
  • THFourteen 10 Jan 2013 14:22:35 33,089 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Despite everything that points to the contrary, I still find it hard to believe that even a multibillionare oligarch would, effectively, sabotage his own team, trying to prove everyone wrong and that torres is really awesome.

    Its just absolute insanity.
    nah its like when i spent £440 on a galaxy note, and i made a point of telling everyone how amazing it was and pretending it was amazing every day

    before eventually coming to the realization it was a piece of crap and selling it.

    he just hasn't come to that realization yet.
  • kalel 10 Jan 2013 14:22:43 86,743 posts
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    Torres still does enough to just about suggest he might still have it. And I think that's why all these managers as well as Roman stick with him.

    He's a real tease.

    I bet they could still get £20m for him despite him being shitter than Darren Bent these days.
  • kentmonkey 10 Jan 2013 14:25:01 20,529 posts
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    @King_Edward

    214 appearances for AM and 82 goals. That's more than one goal every 2.5 games. Very decent.
  • nickthegun 10 Jan 2013 14:25:44 59,312 posts
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    There are certainly worse players that managers think they can get a song out of and, maybe, if he dropped down into the chasing pack the pressure would be off. Every now and then you do get a flash and it seems pretty evident that its mostly in his head, so you never know.

    Still, he does seem quite determined to make a mockery of 'form is temporary, class is permanent'.

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  • morriss 10 Jan 2013 14:46:52 70,913 posts
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    liamthemaster wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    ElNino9 wrote:
    Not being funny, but Rafa didn't make those horrendous back passes last night, he's didn't make Torres shite, he didn't see the spine of your success get old or leave.
    He did "choose" to play a desperately out of form striker over a brand new, in form one and then compound the misery by leaving him on for so long when the substitution came, it was too late to do anything.
    Wasn't one of the main reasons he was hired to bring torres back to form and to change the team to get the most out of him though ? I honestly wonder how much control he has over the team.
    Ba will start PL games. His remit is CL.
  • Mr_Sleep 10 Jan 2013 15:39:52 16,920 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Torres still does enough to just about suggest he might still have it. And I think that's why all these managers as well as Roman stick with him.

    He's a real tease.
    See the first goal against Villa. Bullet header from practically outside the box, it was a stunning goal and I'm not sure many other strikers in the prem could have done that.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • LeD 10 Jan 2013 15:56:07 6,217 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    Torres still does enough to just about suggest he might still have it. And I think that's why all these managers as well as Roman stick with him.

    He's a real tease.
    See the first goal against Villa. Bullet header from practically outside the box, it was a stunning goal and I'm not sure many other strikers in the prem could have done that.
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