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  • ronuds 27 Sep 2010 19:31:55 21,788 posts
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    Why isn't streaming a socially accepted way of getting your pr0n?

    What exactly would be a "socially accepted" way of getting pr0n?

    I would think "pr0n" and "socially accepted" is an oxymoron.
  • RyanDS 27 Sep 2010 19:34:34 9,058 posts
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    ronuds wrote:
    Why isn't streaming a socially accepted way of getting your pr0n?

    What exactly would be a "socially accepted" way of getting pr0n?

    I would think "pr0n" and "socially accepted" is an oxymoron.

    Not socially accepted means of delivery. Socially accepted content. ie non porn stuff.
  • Dougs 27 Sep 2010 20:00:30 66,661 posts
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    As ever, that comes down to copyright. As well as the porn industry actively putting content on streaming sites as teasers (some will always want more...), the quality doesn't need to be that high.

    For non-porn you need more bandwidth to deliver at least broadcast quality, and are confronted by the tv and movie industry averse to changing business models.

    It is changing though, with hulu, and other legal streaming sites but for the uk we're limited. It'll get there though
  • CosmicFuzz 27 Sep 2010 20:32:47 23,189 posts
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    heyyo! wrote:
    LionheartDJH wrote:
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    I'm worth Virgin so good stuff!

    Huh?

    What kinds of stuff?

    Stuff only suicide bombers normally get access to!

    Looking for a new gaming podcast to listen to? LOOK NO FURTHER!

  • Craig0702 28 Sep 2010 08:52:34 2,178 posts
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    I downloaded the email leak last night (it was a boring night), literally thousands of emails from their servers. Also saw the 5000+ list of Sky Users. A lot of them disturbing downloaded something called "British Granny Fuck".

    Even more worrying was the amount of emails from people saying they were sorry for downloading this stuff and could they pay the 495 fine now/in installments over 10 months? A lot of people are just rolling over which is exactly their plan. One of the emails from the boss guy (Andrew Crossley I think his name was) even said that the letters were intended to "scare" people into paying.

    He must be raking it in because he was liasing with Estate Agents about properties worth 1.1m or 10k rent a month. Other emails saying how the company could take a 20k-30k hit as he wanted a new 4x4. Even better was the 150 fine he got for littering in London :D He came across as a total twunt in every one of his emails to staff or external people. Especially his ex-wife who he sent a very abusive email to that contained more swear words than normal words.
  • Vice.Destroyer 28 Sep 2010 09:04:08 5,823 posts
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    Craig0702 wrote:
    I downloaded the email leak last night (it was a boring night), literally thousands of emails from their servers. Also saw the 5000+ list of Sky Users. A lot of them disturbing downloaded something called "British Granny Fuck".

    Even more worrying was the amount of emails from people saying they were sorry for downloading this stuff and could they pay the 495 fine now/in installments over 10 months? A lot of people are just rolling over which is exactly their plan. One of the emails from the boss guy (Andrew Crossley I think his name was) even said that the letters were intended to "scare" people into paying.

    He must be raking it in because he was liasing with Estate Agents about properties worth 1.1m or 10k rent a month. Other emails saying how the company could take a 20k-30k hit as he wanted a new 4x4. Even better was the 150 fine he got for littering in London :D He came across as a total twunt in every one of his emails to staff or external people. Especially his ex-wife who he sent a very abusive email to that contained more swear words than normal words.

    Hey, could you email me that gumph? I'd love to take a peek. verflucht [at] sky dooot cooom?
    Much obliged
  • Dirtbox 28 Sep 2010 09:05:13 77,467 posts
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    I must say, this is all very amusing.

    I'm tempted to download the list and see if anyone nearby is into anything weird.

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  • Deleted user 28 September 2010 09:10:12
    Dirtbox wrote:
    I must say, this is all very amusing.

    I'm tempted to download the list and see if anyone nearby is into anything weird.

    I downlaoded it but I can't firgure out what email software it needs to read it
  • Craig0702 28 Sep 2010 09:16:03 2,178 posts
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    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    Craig0702 wrote:
    I downloaded the email leak last night (it was a boring night), literally thousands of emails from their servers. Also saw the 5000+ list of Sky Users. A lot of them disturbing downloaded something called "British Granny Fuck".

    Even more worrying was the amount of emails from people saying they were sorry for downloading this stuff and could they pay the 495 fine now/in installments over 10 months? A lot of people are just rolling over which is exactly their plan. One of the emails from the boss guy (Andrew Crossley I think his name was) even said that the letters were intended to "scare" people into paying.

    He must be raking it in because he was liasing with Estate Agents about properties worth 1.1m or 10k rent a month. Other emails saying how the company could take a 20k-30k hit as he wanted a new 4x4. Even better was the 150 fine he got for littering in London :D He came across as a total twunt in every one of his emails to staff or external people. Especially his ex-wife who he sent a very abusive email to that contained more swear words than normal words.

    Hey, could you email me that gumph? I'd love to take a peek. verflucht [at] sky dooot cooom?
    Much obliged

    I'm not at home otherwise I would. It's available via the usual (ironic) sources.

    I used Thunderbird who is Mozilla's own email application and just dragged the .eml files in there. Was just like being in his inbox \o/

    Nearly shat myself as there was someone with my last name on the list (used to be Sky BB) but I stream all my 'stuff' and she lived in Aberdeen.
  • Chopsen 28 Sep 2010 09:18:19 15,723 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    I'm tempted to download the list and see if anyone nearby is into anything weird.

    Yeah, I was thinking the same.

    It's a shame so many people are rolling over and paying out. It's a scam, simple as. This bloke is an utter cunt, and I hope he gets disbarred or whatever. Failing that, hunted down and killed by a pack of dogs. Either's good.
  • Craig0702 28 Sep 2010 09:23:34 2,178 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    I'm tempted to download the list and see if anyone nearby is into anything weird.

    Yeah, I was thinking the same.

    It's a shame so many people are rolling over and paying out. It's a scam, simple as.

    It's weird. There seems to be threats of taking these people who don't pay to court but no actual email record of actually taking anyone to court.

    Some of the excuses from people are golden though. "I was browsing BT Junkie and I accidentally clicked on this file which started downloading before I realised", "I was unemployed at the time and bored", "Me and my husband were in bed at 1:23am which is when you said this file had been downloaded" (< maybe she was, I don't think HE was...), "I didn't watch this, I just skimmed through it then deleted it". I don't even want to comment on that last one.

    Quite a few people are saying they cancelled the download before it completed, I wonder if they do have a way of telling that on the ISP end.
  • Zerobob 28 Sep 2010 09:25:33 1,604 posts
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    I have a couple of questions about this after seeing it on the news and having a discussion with work colleagues.

    1. Why only porn? Is it perfectly legal to download non-porn movies / music?

    2. How was ACS:Law allowed to operate this blatent method of distortion based on somehow gathering this private information on people's Internet habits?

    ACS:Law should be brought to their knees for this. It just isn't their place to throw accusations at people before the police do, especially based on this frankly unreliable data.
  • RyanDS 28 Sep 2010 09:27:00 9,058 posts
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    Zerobob wrote:
    I have a couple of questions about this after seeing it on the news and having a discussion with work colleagues.

    1. Why only porn? Is it perfectly legal to download non-porn movies / music?

    2. How was ACS:Law allowed to operate this blatent method of distortion based on somehow gathering this private information on people's Internet habits?

    ACS:Law should be brought to their knees for this. It just isn't their place to throw accusations at people before the police do, especially based on this frankly unreliable data.

    They probably have loads of files for movies / games etc. It just so happened that the specific database that was leaked was regarding pron.
  • Craig0702 28 Sep 2010 09:28:54 2,178 posts
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    They definitely do music as well. Emails to and from another source said they were keeping an eye on Cascada tracks (for some reason!) and they'd mentioned Universal Records at one point too.
  • Chopsen 28 Sep 2010 09:31:00 15,723 posts
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    Well, I guess they're targetting porn because people are going to be embarassed by the accusation of downloading porn and therefore more likely to pay up to make it go away as opposed to make a stand and argue their corner.

    ACS are claiming they are actining legitamately in the interests of copyright holders. Which everybody invloved knows is bullshit, but I guess the people who granted them to court order haven't got a clue.
  • Zerobob 28 Sep 2010 09:43:31 1,604 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Well, I guess they're targetting porn because people are going to be embarassed by the accusation of downloading porn and therefore more likely to pay up to make it go away as opposed to make a stand and argue their corner.

    ACS are claiming they are actining legitamately in the interests of copyright holders. Which everybody invloved knows is bullshit, but I guess the people who granted them to court order haven't got a clue.

    Yeah I though that may be the case. I think yourself and ryandsimmons are correct in that it may be the specific database that was targeted was porn and/or data was consolidated into porn-related sharing to ramp up the embarrasment factor. Pretty dirty tactic by ACS.

    The data protection issues in this case alone are astronomical though. If ACS are still operating in a a months time I will be furious. I hate the way a lot of companies operate these days. Most push the boundaries of what is legal way too much.
  • TheSaint 28 Sep 2010 09:51:54 14,200 posts
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    Have Sky commented on this yet?
  • Craig0702 28 Sep 2010 09:53:45 2,178 posts
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    Not yet, be interesting to see how they try to claim that sending an unencrypted spreadsheet of 5100 customers details and downloads is in keeping with DPA.
  • Chopsen 28 Sep 2010 09:58:40 15,723 posts
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    Radio 4 had a comment from sky last night saying they only reveal customer data in response to court order, and then only in encrypted form.

    Thing is, this isn't actually a DPA breach by ACS as far as I can see, (though IANAL and all that). The info they were holding was justifiable with regards to what they were doing - which was something they were quite open and above board about. This data was obtained by illicit means and distributed illicitly. Unless it can be shown that ACS has some seriously negligent security (which would be kind of hilarious) they haven't actually done anything wrong.
  • rudedudejude 28 Sep 2010 10:00:14 2,152 posts
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    I'm sure using porn accusations also scares people more and tempts them to pay up.
  • Immaterial 28 Sep 2010 10:01:46 1,320 posts
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    ACS:Law - hope you can get a good privacy/IP lawyer as the (slightly toothless) Information Comissioner has decided to take a look.

    I doubt that they'll get fined, as the file was surfaced following a 4Chan DDos attack.

    Think I'll just switch everything off.

  • RyanDS 28 Sep 2010 10:02:50 9,058 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Radio 4 had a comment from sky last night saying they only reveal customer data in response to court order, and then only in encrypted form.

    Thing is, this isn't actually a DPA breach by ACS as far as I can see, (though IANAL and all that). The info they were holding was justifiable with regards to what they were doing - which was something they were quite open and above board about. This data was obtained by illicit means and distributed illicitly. Unless it can be shown that ACS has some seriously negligent security (which would be kind of hilarious) they haven't actually done anything wrong.

    They posted this data on their web site didn't they? (Accidentally obviously, but still made it available)

    It's the same scenario as someone leaving an NHS laptop on a train. Yes someone then stole the laptop, but the information should have been kept more secure.
  • RyanDS 28 Sep 2010 10:04:26 9,058 posts
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    From the BBC interview...

    "The question we will be asking is how secure was this information and how it was so easily accessed from outside," said Christopher Graham.

    "We'll be asking about the adequacy of encryption, the firewall, the training of staff and why that information was so public facing.

    "The Information Commissioner has significant power to take action and I can levy fine of up to half a million pounds on companies that flout the [Data Protection Act]," he added.
  • Craig0702 28 Sep 2010 10:05:53 2,178 posts
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    Ah, 4chan. When you get past the "moar mudkipz", "see this, what do?" and random porn then they are actually a pretty powerful internet force when Anonymous put their minds to it.

    Didn't they track some kid down who posted a video of himself mistreating/abusing a cat (not a sexual term) and then get animal authorities to ban him from owning animals? That's a win.
  • Chopsen 28 Sep 2010 10:19:36 15,723 posts
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    ryandsimmons wrote:
    They posted this data on their web site didn't they? (Accidentally obviously, but still made it available)

    Oooooh, really? I though they were hacked.

    Oh fair enough. String the fucker up.
  • Craig0702 28 Sep 2010 10:21:00 2,178 posts
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    I thought 4chan DDOSed them which I'm guessing brought security down on the website or something like that. I'm not very technical ;)
  • nickthegun 28 Sep 2010 10:21:14 58,784 posts
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    Zerobob wrote:
    I have a couple of questions about this after seeing it on the news and having a discussion with work colleagues.

    1. Why only porn? Is it perfectly legal to download non-porn movies / music?

    Its the 21st century equivalent of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjj8eMNxivM

    Only the most ardent filth monger is going to contest downloading 'Teen cum dumpsters' in front of a court of law or, better yet, their wife.

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    He totally called it

  • X201 28 Sep 2010 10:22:52 15,132 posts
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    Immaterial wrote:
    ACS:Law - hope you can get a good privacy/IP lawyer as the (slightly toothless) Information Comissioner has decided to take a look.

    I doubt that they'll get fined, as the file was surfaced following a 4Chan DDos attack.

    Doesn't cut the mustard with the IC. He'll be asking Why it wasn't encrypted, Why it wasn't in an offline location. Why it was stored as one complete file.

    They won't be able to use the "If we hadn't been hacked everything would be fine" defence.
  • Deleted user 28 September 2010 10:23:01
    So, what's actually happened? Any article I read seems to be full of acronyms.
  • Dirtbox 28 Sep 2010 10:23:40 77,467 posts
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    I'm well up for Sky shitting it. I can see a lot of people shying away from them from now on, although anyone would have to be an idiot to torrent on an ADSL line.

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