Mark E. Smith & The Fall

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  • boo 21 Jun 2010 13:53:15 11,742 posts
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    Listened to Frank Skinner on Desert Island Discs over the weekend, and his last music choice was something by The Fall (Bash & Smash, or something like that). It was also the one song of the eight that he'd take if push came to shove.

    And I'm currently listening to 'Plastic Beach' by Gorillaz, and Mr Smith has just turned up as a guest vocalist.

    How the fuck did he get any kind of career in music?

    Emperors New Clothes?
    Emperors New Sack of Shit!

    Seriously. Anybody care to waste their time trying to defend him?

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  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 13:54:19
    You're gonna get a pasting for this thread, sorry.

    Or is it a joke?
  • boo 21 Jun 2010 13:57:29 11,742 posts
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    Joke?
    Are you kidding? John Peel's favourite band or not, a more talentless pile of dross I have not heard in ages.

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  • Spanky 21 Jun 2010 13:57:37 14,476 posts
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    boo wrote:
    Anybody care to waste their time trying to defend him?
    You've got a massively shit taste in music? Massively... yeah that. :D

    Plubs

  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 13:58:41
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  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 14:00:15
    Posted this in another thread a while back, but it seems pertinent

    Lauren Laverne vs Mark E Smith

    I quite like him to be honest. Mind you I don't mind The Fall either :/
  • Clive_Dunn 21 Jun 2010 14:08:12 4,778 posts
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    Yes, you do indeed need a vocal range like Leona Lewis to be a professional vocalist ! Fuck off Bob Dylan.
  • mrpon 21 Jun 2010 14:11:27 28,738 posts
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    He looks like Alex Higgins' pissup partner.

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • spazmo 21 Jun 2010 14:11:45 2,759 posts
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    Better than Sinatra
  • boo 21 Jun 2010 14:12:49 11,742 posts
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    Vocal range has nothing to do with it. Sinatra didn't have a technically great voice, but his way with a song, plus the great melodies and marvellous arrangements made for an awsome result.

    The Fall is just some bloke who sounds like he's drunk, mumbling bollocks over a bunch of people who count 'tuning up and fucking about' as 'playing'.

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  • Clive_Dunn 21 Jun 2010 14:13:31 4,778 posts
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    Yeah, fuck you Shane McGowan !
  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 14:14:22
    boo wrote:
    The Fall is just some bloke who sounds like he's drunk, mumbling bollocks over a bunch of people who count 'tuning up and fucking about' as 'playing'.

    why are you so terrible
  • TakeTheVeil 21 Jun 2010 14:14:29 5,058 posts
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    spazmo wrote:
    Better than Sinatra
  • boo 21 Jun 2010 14:16:12 11,742 posts
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    Fair enough - forget I said anything.

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  • TakeTheVeil 21 Jun 2010 14:17:38 5,058 posts
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    Mark's very multi-talented really :D
  • mrpon 21 Jun 2010 14:18:51 28,738 posts
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    No, keep going boo! Just watched that Better than Sinatra vid, pissing myself laughing at how accurate your assessment is!

    I can't believe I was that gullible in my student days to have a few albums.

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • mal 21 Jun 2010 14:24:48 22,446 posts
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    One link, for all you need to know about Mark E Smith:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P0OYWZeiCI

    Edit: Just one link now, since TTV nicked my first link while I was searching for it ;)

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  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 15:06:15
    Mark E Smith's appearance on that Gorillaz track is pretty underwhelming.

    The Fall had a great run of albums from '77 through the 80s though, and boo should probably listen to This Nation's Saving Grace or Live at the Witch Trials or Hex Enduction Hour before making a knee-jerk reaction based on fucking Desert Island Discs. Lawdy.
  • boo 21 Jun 2010 15:15:15 11,742 posts
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    Sadly, this was not my first exposure to the "work" of Mr Smith and his colleagues. D.I.D., plus the Gorillaz track just prompted me to vent my spleen.

    I don't doubt that everybody could find some object of ridicule in my CD collection, but at least there are tunes in there!*









    *Ok - Michael Brecker - Two Blocks From The Edge, that's a tune free zone.

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  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 15:16:46
    You'd have to be tone deaf if you think there are no "tunes" in The Fall's work. I regularly have songs by them stuck in my head.
  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 15:38:07
    It's hardly noise music, boo. Aside from the vocals a lot of the songs are very tuneful, like dg said. Cruiser's Creek and Container Drivers are really catchy songs, f'rinstance.
  • boo 21 Jun 2010 15:53:49 11,742 posts
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    Ok. Consulting my iPod, I appear to have three songs by The Fall.

    Mr Pharmacist
    A cover version of Legend Of Xanadu
    Arid Al's Dream

    I shall listen to them and pass judgement.

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  • boo 21 Jun 2010 16:03:30 11,742 posts
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    Jeez, that was bloody awful.

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  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 16:06:06
    Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think those songs are a prominent part of the, er, Fall canon. Listen to those albums I mentioned earlier if you're willing to give the band a chance.
  • Spanky 21 Jun 2010 16:06:27 14,476 posts
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    Don't you like Crowded House? You do don't you?

    /slowly raises pointy finger
    /Nelson + Ha ha

    Plubs

  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 16:08:20
    Bill Is Dead
    Totally Wired
    The Classical
  • StringBeanJean 21 Jun 2010 16:11:20 1,777 posts
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    Eat Yr Self Fitter, Bill is Dead, How I wrote Elastic Man are all nice and accessible but I agree a lot of their stuff is hard work. I've also seen them live twice in recent years (my mate is a big fan and I went along with him) and they were dreadful.
  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 16:16:30
    The Classical is soooooo proto-Pavement, specially when played through laptop speakers.

    Very listenable
  • Deleted user 21 June 2010 16:18:20
    InfiniteTed wrote:
    The Classical is soooooo proto-Pavement, specially when played through laptop speakers.

    Very listenable

    Odd you should mention Pavement, as that's how I came to listen to The Fall back when 'Slanted and Enchanted' was released :)
  • coastal 21 Jun 2010 16:43:53 5,382 posts
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    Well Sparta FC should be enjoyable for most ears. Try that.

    On a side note: mark smith reading the football results always has me smiling:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUiPs1PxKo

    bf3: sergeant_shaftoe

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