Wales will do alright.
Official 2012 UEFA European Football Championship - Poland / Ukraine Thread • Page 3
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askew 10,596 posts
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mcmonkeyplc 35,847 posts
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Registered 10 years agokalel wrote:
Hi
I don't know how are people are saying that isn't an easy group - it clearly is.
That doesn't mean we'll easily qualify (see this year's easy WC group for more details) but you can't ask for much more than a group like that.
Did you not get the memo? England are shit.
Come and get it cumslingers!
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THFourteen 29,052 posts
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Registered 8 years agoi think kal meant "we" as in bulgaria -
kalel 76,470 posts
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Registered 10 years agoWe got further than any of those other teams did in the WC (out of those that were even good enough to qualify), so even if we are shit, we're not as shit as everyone else in that group.
If you're the best team in your group, you've got an easy group. Simple. -
mcmonkeyplc 35,847 posts
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Registered 10 years agoYou have seen England play haven't you?
The ultimate play at the level of the opposition team...except we cant step up to world class.
Come and get it cumslingers!
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kalel wrote:
Yeah you'll piss it.
I don't know how are people are saying that isn't an easy group - it clearly is.
That doesn't mean we'll easily qualify (see this year's easy WC group for more details) but you can't ask for much more than a group like that.
The only team that could trouble you is Wales, depending on how their kids are when you play them. Despite Switzerland beating Spain, they're still shit. Bulgaria don't have Berbatov, and are shit. -
El_MUERkO 16,141 posts
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Registered 10 years agoAwee.... WTF!!??!!
Russia
Slovakia
Republic of Ireland
Macedonia
Armenia
Andorra
Away games should be fun :/ -
Flightrisker 18,073 posts
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Registered 8 years agokalel wrote:
England were the best team in their qualifying group for the last Euros too.
We got further than any of those other teams did in the WC (out of those that were even good enough to qualify), so even if we are shit, we're not as shit as everyone else in that group.
If you're the best team in your group, you've got an easy group. Simple. -
kalel 76,470 posts
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Registered 10 years agoTime to get over a dissapointing World Cup campaign and start seeing the big picture. This isn't the Sun message board. Back to reality please - i.e. we're a decent but not excellent team that due to injuries and other issues had a bit of a mare in the World Cup, but nevertheless we should breaze through a group like that. The hand-wringing is getting dul now. -
kalel 76,470 posts
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Registered 10 years agoFlightrisker wrote:
kalel wrote:
England were the best team in their qualifying group for the last Euros too.
We got further than any of those other teams did in the WC (out of those that were even good enough to qualify), so even if we are shit, we're not as shit as everyone else in that group.
If you're the best team in your group, you've got an easy group. Simple.kalel wrote:
That doesn't mean we'll easily qualify (see this year's easy WC group for more details) but you can't ask for much more than a group like that. -
Flightrisker 18,073 posts
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Registered 8 years agokalel wrote:
My point was more so that when you consider that England have "had a mare" in the WC Finals, and I guess also had a mare in the Euro Qualifying you have to readdress what is an easy group for England.Flightrisker wrote:
kalel wrote:
England were the best team in their qualifying group for the last Euros too.
We got further than any of those other teams did in the WC (out of those that were even good enough to qualify), so even if we are shit, we're not as shit as everyone else in that group.
If you're the best team in your group, you've got an easy group. Simple.kalel wrote:
That doesn't mean we'll easily qualify (see this year's easy WC group for more details) but you can't ask for much more than a group like that.
How long do England have to underachieve before people will stop expecting them to be good? -
kalel 76,470 posts
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Registered 10 years agoYou really don't get much easier than that group. Therefore it's an easy group, regardless of how you perceive us. Replace us with Lithuania, and Lithuania would have an easy group.
And we kicked everyone's arse in WC qualifying which is a much greater indication of how well we'll do in these qualifying games imo. Tournaments are a very different set of circumstances. -
Dougs 59,083 posts
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Registered 10 years agokalel wrote:
Indeed. I'd like us to bin some of the older players all the same. Gerrard, Lampard and Barry for starters.
Time to get over a dissapointing World Cup campaign and start seeing the big picture. This isn't the Sun message board. Back to reality please - i.e. we're a decent but not excellent team that due to injuries and other issues had a bit of a mare in the World Cup, but nevertheless we should breaze through a group like that. The hand-wringing is getting dul now. -
THFourteen 29,052 posts
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Registered 8 years agotell you why i am not interested in the campaign, or england for that matter. our starting lineup for the qualifier will be
james
johnson, terry, upson, cole
SWP, Barry, Lampard, Gerrard
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mcmonkeyplc 35,847 posts
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Registered 10 years agokalel wrote:
This is the problem. Decent is not good enough why not strive for excellence?!
Time to get over a dissapointing World Cup campaign and start seeing the big picture. This isn't the Sun message board. Back to reality please - i.e. we're a decent but not excellent team that due to injuries and other issues had a bit of a mare in the World Cup, but nevertheless we should breaze through a group like that. The hand-wringing is getting dul now.
A few weeks worth of it's all doom and gloom and we need to change things, then everyone forgets and nothing gets changed.
I called for continued prolonged painful hand-wringing. Then maybe just maybe some motherfucker at the top will change something worthwhile.
Come and get it cumslingers!
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mcmonkeyplc 35,847 posts
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Registered 10 years agoTHFourteen wrote:
No it wont be. Capello already said he needs to bring new players into the team. If it is that team you can sack him.
tell you why i am not interested in the campaign, or england for that matter. our starting lineup for the qualifier will be
james
johnson, terry, upson, cole
SWP, Barry, Lampard, Gerrard
Rooney, HeskeyCome and get it cumslingers!
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THFourteen wrote:
Does anyone ever follow through with this? Quite often people will say "Right I'm finished with country x!", and they're drawn back in after one or two good results.
tell you why i am not interested in the campaign, or england for that matter. -
THFourteen 29,052 posts
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Registered 8 years agodeathgibbon wrote:
its not the results, its the performancesTHFourteen wrote:
Does anyone ever follow through with this? Quite often people will say "Right I'm finished with country x!", and they're drawn back in after one or two good results.
tell you why i am not interested in the campaign, or england for that matter.
we are so dull and uninspiring to watch
i would say i watched maybe 30% of our qualifying games on tv last 2 years, went to wembley once.
this is compared to never missing an arsenal game if its a home game i'm there, or if its on telly i'm watching.
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kalel 76,470 posts
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Registered 10 years agomcmonkeyplc wrote:
Right well, if that's the conversation now I'll assume you're therefore agreeing with me that it is in fact an easy group, and I'll leave you to your hand-wringing.kalel wrote:
This is the problem. Decent is not good enough why not strive for excellence?!
Time to get over a dissapointing World Cup campaign and start seeing the big picture. This isn't the Sun message board. Back to reality please - i.e. we're a decent but not excellent team that due to injuries and other issues had a bit of a mare in the World Cup, but nevertheless we should breaze through a group like that. The hand-wringing is getting dul now.
A few weeks worth of it's all doom and gloom and we need to change things, then everyone forgets and nothing gets changed.
I called for continued prolonged painful hand-wringing. Then maybe just maybe some motherfucker at the top will change something worthwhile. -
THFourteen wrote:
You've been dull and uninspiring to watch for years though.deathgibbon wrote:
its not the results, its the performancesTHFourteen wrote:
Does anyone ever follow through with this? Quite often people will say "Right I'm finished with country x!", and they're drawn back in after one or two good results.
tell you why i am not interested in the campaign, or england for that matter.
we are so dull and uninspiring to watch
i would say i watched maybe 30% of our qualifying games on tv last 2 years, went to wembley once.
this is compared to never missing an arsenal game if its a home game i'm there, or if its on telly i'm watching.
And people often say a crucial element of being a true supporter is supporting your club through thick and thin (which, considering how Arsenal sometimes fare, you do). Why should it be different for your country?
It's not like you've been on a run of Scotland-under-Berti-Vogts-esque proportions or anything. -
mcmonkeyplc 35,847 posts
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Registered 10 years agoCapello warned us
Yes, Kalel I agree with you on paper however our wonderful national team does not perform to it's ability on paper.
Come and get it cumslingers!
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mcmonkeyplc wrote:
Fuck me, that is absolutely dire.
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kalel 76,470 posts
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Registered 10 years agoYes it does. On paper we were not as good as Germany. Therfore we lost. -
kalel 76,470 posts
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Registered 10 years agoThere is a massive irony when people talk about being realistic and such about England, and then just go straight to the other extreme and start suggesting we’re worse than the likes of Switzerland or Bulgaria.
Yeah, we’re not the best team in the world. We’re probably not even in that top tier of ten or so teams. But we are a fuck of a lot better than most of the hand-wringers suggest.
And again, the irony of that position is that much like the “WE’RE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD CUP” ridiculousness, it’s a largely a media induced reaction.
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mcmonkeyplc 35,847 posts
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Registered 10 years agodeathgibbon wrote:
Thanks for the money!mcmonkeyplc wrote:
Fuck me, that is absolutely dire.
Capello warned us
Come and get it cumslingers!
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mcmonkeyplc 35,847 posts
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Registered 10 years agokalel wrote:
My point is that we should be aiming to actually play like a top 10 team. So were not shit, we are shitter than we should be and that is what frustrates me.
There is a massive irony when people talk about being realistic and such about England, and then just go straight to the other extreme and start suggesting we’re worse than the likes of Switzerland or Bulgaria.
Yeah, we’re not the best team in the world. We’re probably not even in that top tier of ten or so teams. But we are a fuck of a lot better than most of the hand-wringers suggest.
And again, the irony of that position is that much like the “WE’RE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD CUP” ridiculousness, it’s a largely a media induced reaction.
Come and get it cumslingers!
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El_MUERkO 16,141 posts
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Registered 10 years agokalel wrote:
you should breeze through a group like that but if the causes of your world cup exit arent dealt with then expect a humiliating exit from 2012 shortly there-after
You really don't get much easier than that group. Therefore it's an easy group, regardless of how you perceive us. Replace us with Lithuania, and Lithuania would have an easy group.
And we kicked everyone's arse in WC qualifying which is a much greater indication of how well we'll do in these qualifying games imo. Tournaments are a very different set of circumstances. -
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Registered 6 years agoEl_MUERkO wrote:
The thing is that what causes you to fuck up in a tournament isn't the same as what causes you to fuck up in qualifying. We could breeze though the qualifying for this and still be fucked in the finals.
you should breeze through a group like that but if the causes of your world cup exit arent dealt with then expect a humiliating exit from 2012 shortly there-after -
PazJohnMitch 5,684 posts
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Registered 6 years agoHow did England get in pot 1? -
So it looks like Walcott, Gibbs and Wilshere will be called up to the full squad to play Hungary. Things are looking up already!
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