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  • LockeTribal 19 Jul 2014 13:21:40 4,515 posts
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    It's a secondary drive, rather than a boot drive, and I can still access all the stuff I have on it. I'm just worried that it's going to give up on me at any moment now.

    Temperature readings are pretty normal on it too, 31 or so.
  • Aretak 19 Jul 2014 13:31:22 10,354 posts
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    Download CrystalDiskInfo and see what that has to say about it. It'll give you a detailed breakdown of every aspect of the drive and let you know which bit's failing.
  • LockeTribal 19 Jul 2014 14:12:26 4,515 posts
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    Cheers Aretak. It's showing up with a warning on Reallocated Sectors Count.

    Bad news?
  • Bowzer43 19 Jul 2014 14:34:20 188 posts
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    @LockeTribal might want to buy a new drive as they're only 40 and transfer your data while it's still working. Don't delay do it today.
  • FAULTYCAPSLOCK 19 Jul 2014 21:16:21 4 posts
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    Just ordered the computer from PC specialist, same spec as the last page but had to get a bigger case and went with an SSD. Went over budget by 50, came to 650 altogether. They suggested I went with 550w instead of 450w. Thanks again PearOFAnguish and cerberus for your suggestions. Can't wait to get gaming!
  • DodgyPast 20 Jul 2014 03:17:47 8,468 posts
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    Enjoy the SSD.

    It'll be a very nice surprise how it effects how the PC runs.
  • Sharzam 20 Jul 2014 11:25:24 2,872 posts
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    Yeah i think most people don't realize how outdated the basic HDD tech is and how much it holds back modern CPUs.

    Edited by Sharzam at 11:25:41 20-07-2014

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  • Bowzer43 20 Jul 2014 12:41:20 188 posts
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    @FAULTYCAPSLOCK Its a good spec PC and you wont be disappointed. Did you buy Windows with it or installing that later? You can get Windows 7 for around 40 on ebay, which is what I did and is a rock solid OS for gaming.
  • Carlo 11 Aug 2014 23:36:48 18,058 posts
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    Just in case you're wondering how low you can go. I'm happy to report my (admittedly very good tagan) 480w psu is powering my i5 2500k gtx 680 based pc, even overclocked without issue. It has a HDD, SSD, and dvd room in it (and that's about it)

    Did a pretty big burn in (and civ 5 session) to verify.

    I reckon I could go lower, but that's what I had. It replaced a monstrous 880w tagan psu.

    Might be my imagination, but the psu does seem to be running hotter than the 880w based one, which might indicate it's a lot closer to the edge of its output that it should be.

    Edited by Carlo at 23:38:51 11-08-2014

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  • mester_dave 12 Aug 2014 00:13:46 9 posts
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    @Carlo I would still be wary and aim to replace it sooner rather then later

    I was using a Tagan TG480 U22 PSU from my old dual core socket 939 system 7ish years old to power my new fx6300 system overclocked to 4.8 ish, only differences were CPU, mobo and ram. I was even still running the good old 8800GTS 512MB vid card from the old machine.

    All was great until i upgraded the vid card to a mid range Radeon 7770 2gig, the noise from the psu went up, the heat it threw out went up but system stability was rock solid for months until midway through a very fast and tight section on Dirt 3 was brought to an end with a huge bang!

    Power supply was the only thing that died so i cant complain, it did its job.
  • iancognito 12 Aug 2014 07:30:52 1,382 posts
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    The old collective wisdom was if you wanted a games PC, buy Intel, but in recent months I've seen several recommended budget AMD builds with those extra cores apparently performing well on certain games.

    What's the general opinion here at the moment? I had a look on other forums but they weren't what you'd call balanced views. Any information about relative performance, noise, power usage, etc. is appreciated.

    I'd probably be spending around 500 in total on the PC. Already own a keyboard, monitor, Windows.
  • PenguinJim 12 Aug 2014 07:34:14 5,861 posts
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    Can you possibly stretch to 600? It would mean the difference between EG's rather short-lived Bulldozer/760 system and a kickass i5/770 system.
  • iancognito 12 Aug 2014 07:43:35 1,382 posts
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    Possibly. The budget was more based on seeing a build around 450 that was running current games well really, then knowing I'm bound to get some feature creep.

    Things like longer lasting builds and quietness (as I'm considering using the living room) could influence me in spending a bit more.
  • PenguinJim 12 Aug 2014 08:23:19 5,861 posts
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    I'm not a big fan of Gigabyte personally, but 58 for a Z97 motherboard is a great price. The "Z" means it can overclock (if your CPU has a "K") and it can use the CPU's onboard graphics (if you want). Throw a 126 i5-4440 on there, or stretch to an overclockable 167 i5 4690K if your budget has room. Here's 8GB of CL0 1600MHz DDR3 for 65 as a placeholder - you could probably do better here.

    Here's a 228 2GB Twin Frozr GTX 770 from MSI. You could save nearly a tenner if you get this 220 2GB Palit GTX 770 instead. If you want to game higher than 1200P, though, consider the 4GB 770 cards. Also, it might include Watch Dogs, so don't buy that until you've got your PC sorted.

    Then you'll just need a 128GB (minimum) SSD for Windows and a couple of games (45 for the Sandisk?), and a 1TB HDD for file storage (45? Or stretch to 52 for 2TB?). And a PSU (40? I like BeQuiet! PSUs - how can something German go wrong?). And a case (20?).

    Let's see... that's 667 for the overclockable i5-K and MSI build, or 618 for the i5 and Palit? Yikes. Still a bit high. That motherboard's a bit of a bargain, but everything else is a fairly standard price, so I'd recommend waiting until others here have reviewed my advice (I might be a bit out of touch - I just like shopping!), and possibly hold out for special offers.

    Edited by PenguinJim at 08:24:22 12-08-2014
  • THFourteen 12 Aug 2014 08:40:41 33,426 posts
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    Toms Hardware rates the R9 280X higher in that price bracket, unless the "Twin Frozr" refers to something i don't know about on that specific card?

    AMD essentially took its Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, shaved 50 MHz from the peak clock rate, and rebranded the board as a Radeon R9 280X. The good news this month is that the 280X's price tag slips to around 230 (sometimes lower), making it easy to get behind. You can expect playable performance through 1920x1080 in most games and respectable frame rates through 2560x1440 in some titles, all with taxing detail settings enabled. At this price point, it outshines the GeForce GTX 770, the GeForce GTX 760, and the Radeon R9 280.
    I got mine from Amazon the other day the XFX version with 3GB of DDR5 too.
  • PES_Fanboy 12 Aug 2014 08:46:44 15,983 posts
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    RIG
  • THFourteen 12 Aug 2014 08:51:34 33,426 posts
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    My RIG still kicks ass. CPU, RAM and Mobo are well over 5 years old now

    Specs:

    i7 920 ~ 2.8GHZ
    Noctua N-14 CPU Cooler
    XFX Radeon 280X GPU
    250GB Samsung SSD
    6GB Corsair LED shiny RAM
    1.5TB Seagate Barracuda drives
    CoolerMaster Modular 600W PSU
    Samsung DVD RW / Blu Ray
    Thermaltake Tsunami Case (Classic case!)
  • PenguinJim 12 Aug 2014 09:10:21 5,861 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    Toms Hardware rates the R9 280X higher in that price bracket, unless the "Twin Frozr" refers to something i don't know about on that specific card?
    Really? I tend to go by Anandtech, who have the 770GTX as being under 5% slower in the games that favour AMD, or about 10% faster in the games which favour Nvidia - roughly 5% faster overall. Identical price points today but with the much better Nvidia end-user experience (decent drivers, Linux support meaning SteamOS performance will be better, etc) seems to make it a no-brainer.

    Was the Tom's Hardware recommendation from around November 2013, by any chance? The 2GB 770 was 300 when the 280X released, remember! ;)

    Edit: yes, I've found it. Your quote's from October 2013.

    Edit again: I see, they've taken their October 2013 quote and changed the price to 230 to "update" it. For some reason, slightly slower performance and worse drivers make the 230 280X "outshine" the 230 GTX 770? An interesting perspective! :D

    Edited by PenguinJim at 09:18:19 12-08-2014
  • THFourteen 12 Aug 2014 09:12:53 33,426 posts
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    Heh no, it was from their "Best Graphics Cards for the Money July 2013"

    I've always been a Radeon Fanboy for some odd reason. Its probably much of a muchness.
  • Salaman 12 Aug 2014 10:34:18 19,066 posts
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    I've got no extra money in the bank at the moment but in a few months I should be getting my tax refund. So in the meantime, I thought I'd check.

    I bought a budget PC about 2 years ago.

    ASUS F2A55, FM2, ATX
    AMD A10-5800K Accelerated Processor mit AMD Radeon HD 7660D
    be quiet! Pure Power 350 Watt

    I've been able to play older games OK but I got to a point where the games I'd like to play are too taxing for it and crash/freeze.

    I'd like to keep the motherboard, swap the PSU for something a bit heftier and put in a graphics card instead of relying on the integrated 7660.

    What's the best way to go and how much Watt should I move up to?

    I've got an SSD in it (120Gb) and a 1 TB HDD as well as 8GB ram. So None of those would need upgrading. Just want a more powerful PSU so I can put in a graphics card.
  • PearOfAnguish 12 Aug 2014 11:28:05 7,296 posts
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    You do not necessarily need to upgrade the PSU. A GTX 750 Ti will give you more graphics for cheap and doesn't have hefty power requirements, NVIDIA recommend a minimum 300w supply. Get one of the models which doesn't need an additional power cable and try it, might save you some money.
  • Salaman 12 Aug 2014 11:56:32 19,066 posts
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    Hmm. Might be worth a shot.
    I was reading up on this at some point last year but got a bit confused trying to figure it out.

    If I add a separate card, do I then go into the bios and disable the CPU based card?
  • iancognito 12 Aug 2014 16:44:52 1,382 posts
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    Intel still getting the nod over AMD then? Standard games PC flexibility and dilemma about spending a bit more. Really it's because I noticed a PS4 was in the same rough price as a reasonable PC which got me thinking.

    I'd also stumbled across this site with an AMD build, making me wonder if they were better for budget builds.

    https://www.aria.co.uk/WishList/g1WdIG9D_pfSk_k3XSHukQ,,
  • -cerberus- 12 Aug 2014 17:36:17 2,861 posts
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    @iancognito You'll definitely have a lovely gaming experience with the FX-6300 & R9 270X combo!

    Take the plastic bag challenge to cure stupidity.

  • paulboy81 12 Aug 2014 17:57:39 16 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    Edit again: I see, they've taken their October 2013 quote and changed the price to 230 to "update" it. For some reason, slightly slower performance and worse drivers make the 230 280X "outshine" the 230 GTX 770? An interesting perspective! :D
    To be fair I snagged a 280x for 190 from Amazon.co.uk last week. Of course the price has shot back up since then to 215 again.

    I hold no particular allegiances, but given how closely they're matched I thought I'd save myself 30-40.

    Edited by paulboy81 at 17:58:08 12-08-2014
  • Ranger_Ryu 13 Aug 2014 02:56:14 1,064 posts
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    I really do hate upgrading stuff. :p upgrading from a GT 420 to a MSI GTX 750 Ti, (planning on it anyway) and I just have no idea if my PSU can cut it and I'm kinda worried that I read you need to re activate windows when you upgrade things,and I don't have the key since it's an OEM machine. Why don't you tell you the PSU on the outside anyway......
  • -cerberus- 13 Aug 2014 02:59:10 2,861 posts
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    @Ranger_Ryu 750Ti requires 400W minimum. Big MSI fan myself but do have a look at EVGA's 750Ti SuperClocked card, too.

    Edited by -cerberus- at 03:03:26 13-08-2014

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  • Salaman 13 Aug 2014 10:12:39 19,066 posts
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    Following POA's tip

    PearOfAnguish wrote:
    You do not necessarily need to upgrade the PSU. A GTX 750 Ti will give you more graphics for cheap and doesn't have hefty power requirements, NVIDIA recommend a minimum 300w supply. Get one of the models which doesn't need an additional power cable and try it, might save you some money.
    I had a look around yesterday. Most results I got were for a EVGA card.
    I was tempted to order one for next day delivery but I'm leaving on vacation the day after tomorrow so I'll be sensible and wait until I've returned.

    I did read some reviews that stated they only require the 300W mentioned by POA. I think I'll buy one and plonk it in my machine and see what it does. If the 350W psu doesn't cut it, I can always get an upgrade then.
    Might as well give it a go first.
  • THFourteen 13 Aug 2014 10:21:10 33,426 posts
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    paulboy81 wrote:
    THFourteen wrote:
    Edit again: I see, they've taken their October 2013 quote and changed the price to 230 to "update" it. For some reason, slightly slower performance and worse drivers make the 230 280X "outshine" the 230 GTX 770? An interesting perspective! :D
    To be fair I snagged a 280x for 190 from Amazon.co.uk last week. Of course the price has shot back up since then to 215 again.

    I hold no particular allegiances, but given how closely they're matched I thought I'd save myself 30-40.
    Think mine was 190 last week too.

    It seems much of a muchness to me. Steam streaming to my laptop works better than ever!
  • Ranger_Ryu 14 Aug 2014 02:05:21 1,064 posts
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    @-cerberus-

    annoygily they're both the same price too (well a pound in it) what's the difference between the two? (and out of curiousty the MSI doesn't need a power cable or anything right)and just thought I'd double check but the GT420 (my current card) is PCI express 3 like the 750Ti,right?)

    Edited by Ranger_Ryu at 02:07:11 14-08-2014
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