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  • ResidentKnievel 3 Mar 2014 22:19:27 6,125 posts
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    Anyone thinking of buying an SSD should look at Crucial's offerings, they're currently way cheaper than the competition.

    480GB SSD for 180 - I'm sure some people could use that without the need for backup storage.

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  • urban 10 Mar 2014 15:09:48 10,924 posts
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    Finally cracked the freezing issue with my PC, bought the damn thing in November and I've only just fixed it. For a man who works in IT, it's downright depressing how long it took to figure out

    Just one of those weird ones in the end

    Bought a bundle from SCAN (z87 gigabyte motherboard, i5 4670k and 8gb of RAM)

    Early in the build I got a 0x00000f4 when sending auth packets to my ADSL modem. Fine, probably just the fact I hadn't loaded any drivers to Windows yet, loaded all the appropriate drivers and the blue screen went away.

    About 8 hours of usage later the system froze up, no blue screen and this continued intermittently for nearly 3 months! When you've swapped out every SINGLE component other than the bundle itself, sent it back to SCAN, TWICE to no avail, updated every driver, flashed all the firmware that can be flashed, what do you do?

    Apart from go across to the pub to huff, you turn things off.

    I decided to pull both PCI cards and watch films, play video games (offline), run a prime test, stable. Put the graphics card back in, stable.

    Put the Wifi PCI card back into PCI2, crash (okay so PCI2 is busted?) Pull the GFX card and try the WiFi card in PCI1, freeze within 10 minutes, reboot, freeze after 2 hours.

    Conclusion?

    Two different models of TP-link Wifi PCI card were causing the machine to freeze the TL-WN781ND (my original card) & the TL-WDN4800 which I bought a month ago to eliminate the wifi card as the problem.

    I bought a powerline adapter and now have a stable build, single weirdest hardware fault I've ever had, it basically got to the point where I bought a kindle and stopped turning it on when I got home from work.

    Saturday though, Saturday I decided I wasn't doing anything else until it was fixed.

    Quick google showed glimmers of people having the same issue but never coming to a conclusion, unfortunately for me this conclusion cost me...

    New SSD
    New GFX Card
    New PSU
    New SATA Cables even!

    Fuck it, at least I can suck at BF4 again!

    Edited by urban at 15:10:54 10-03-2014
  • Roddles 10 Mar 2014 15:15:36 1,772 posts
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    Drivers and the software that goes with the drivers.

    Change them.

    Also turn off the power saving CPU stuff in the bios (ie C-States and such). That is known to cause nasty blue screens due to voltage drops causing insatiabilities.

    Edited by Roddles at 15:21:02 10-03-2014
  • urban 10 Mar 2014 15:23:24 10,924 posts
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    @Roddles I've tried 3 different driver versions for both wireless cards and the power saving stuff was one of the first things I clicked off before even installing windows as I had read up on issues with the Haswell chipset, also this wouldn't affect the WiFi cards.

    Like I said, I have literally tried everything, I've done 10 fresh installs of windows in attempts to RCA.

    I can live with no having a wireless card, powerline works just fine, yes it doesn't resolve the issue but after 3 months, I couldn't give less of a fuck frankly :)

    I do appreciate you're just trying to help though

    Edited by urban at 15:25:23 10-03-2014
  • Roddles 10 Mar 2014 15:25:23 1,772 posts
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    TP-Link use chipsets from other manufacturers. Identify the base components and use the driver from there (usually Realtek).
  • Roddles 10 Mar 2014 15:28:34 1,772 posts
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    Oh, and actually I'm using the TL-WDN4800 in a PC at home at aren't having any issues.

    So fuck knows then, sorry!

    Edited by Roddles at 15:28:43 10-03-2014
  • urban 10 Mar 2014 16:02:36 10,924 posts
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    @Roddles Atheros, I've tried their drivers too ;)
  • Roddles 15 Mar 2014 14:48:50 1,772 posts
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    http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/palit-geforce-gtx-760-jetstream-free-game-169-99-novatech-1851662

    PALiT GeForce GTX 760 Jetstream + Free Game - 169.99

    You're welcome.
  • PenguinJim 15 Mar 2014 15:45:47 5,758 posts
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    Well... back in October they were 180 and included Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Batman: Arkham Origins and Assassin's Creed IV.

    A 10 drop but a vastly reduced games package in six months? Surely the 760 is long overdue a price cut by now; it won't be competitive until it hits 150 or less, whether it includes an 8 game or not.

    Either spend more, save more or wait more. :p
  • ResidentKnievel 15 Mar 2014 16:14:57 6,125 posts
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    You could get a 7950 for 170 back then, too. Now it's equivalent, the R9 280, is selling for 200+.

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  • PenguinJim 16 Mar 2014 01:46:37 5,758 posts
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    Sure, but the 660 and 770 have subsequently both dropped in price and are still available. It's just the 760 that's been left at an uncompetitive price.
  • Fake_Blood 16 Mar 2014 08:24:57 4,074 posts
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    @urban It's just a guess but could the actual wifi radio signal be messing with your motherboard?
  • ResidentKnievel 16 Mar 2014 08:54:40 6,125 posts
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    He should mae a tin foil hat for his motherboard

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  • DodgyPast 16 Mar 2014 15:20:43 8,415 posts
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    BTW I notice that Titanfall is the first lazy port that would benefit from a 3Gb card...
  • Roddles 16 Mar 2014 15:58:19 1,772 posts
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    Aye. Not much point yet though, extreme textures looks completely identical to high. It's a pretty shonky engine all round, with poor performance on every platform.

    Edited by Roddles at 15:58:39 16-03-2014
  • ResidentKnievel 23 Mar 2014 20:20:40 6,125 posts
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    280X for 213

    Don't know why it's 20 cheaper than a stock 770 or 280X, maybe it's the awful box art

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 20:21:06 23-03-2014

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  • ResidentKnievel 23 Mar 2014 20:21:57 6,125 posts
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    ResidentKnievel wrote:
    Anyone thinking of buying an SSD should look at Crucial's offerings, they're currently way cheaper than the competition.

    480GB SSD for 180 - I'm sure some people could use that without the need for backup storage.
    163, now, SSD prices are dropping fast, although it may also have something to do with Crucial phasing out their M500 series to make way for their new M550 SSD's.

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 20:23:04 23-03-2014

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  • PenguinJim 24 Mar 2014 08:30:05 5,758 posts
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    ResidentKnievel wrote:
    280X for 213.94

    Don't know why it's 20 cheaper than a stock 770 or 280X, maybe it's the awful box art
    A good spot! (A stock GTX 770 is actually 214.98 delivered at eBuyer at the moment, with the MSI TwinFrozr for 229.98, though!)

    Don't forget you can get free shipping at Scan with enough non-spam forum posts at places like Hexus. Well worth doing, as otherwise that 280X actually costs 225 delivered.
  • ResidentKnievel 24 Mar 2014 12:10:48 6,125 posts
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    Ah well, even at 20 more expensive the 770 is probably a better buy

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  • PenguinJim 24 Mar 2014 15:20:35 5,758 posts
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    Perhaps... but the 280X is competitive on price/performance. Is the AMD bundle still active? With Thief I'd say it's just about equivalent to the 230 GTX 770 (which only comes with that 10 unreleased game).

    I guess I'm not exactly helping anyone who's trying to choose between them. :p
  • MMMarmite 24 Mar 2014 15:28:59 996 posts
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    ResidentKnievel wrote:
    ResidentKnievel wrote:
    Anyone thinking of buying an SSD should look at Crucial's offerings, they're currently way cheaper than the competition.

    480GB SSD for 180 - I'm sure some people could use that without the need for backup storage.
    163, now, SSD prices are dropping fast, although it may also have something to do with Crucial phasing out their M500 series to make way for their new M550 SSD's.
    The M550 series isn't too badly priced either, I'm thinking they might have a surplus of NAND chips ;)
  • Roddles 26 Mar 2014 09:34:32 1,772 posts
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    Razer's modular thing canned

    No surprise there. Was stupidly daft to begin with.
  • StixxUK 30 Mar 2014 10:42:11 7,232 posts
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    Hmmmm I need a new motherboard/CPU/Ram set.

    Thinking of going for the EG Digital Foundry setup from their most recent article (AMD FX-6 6300).

    I'm not too worried about keeping it super cheap (although I'm not after anything extravagant either). I want a balance of price and power, but importantly it also needs to be quiet (at least when idle).

    Any thoughts? I've built a few PCs in my time, but been out of the game a while :p
  • PenguinJim 30 Mar 2014 11:21:46 5,758 posts
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    It was extremely odd that they recommended the FX-6 6300. The Bulldozer line has been disappointing in every single incarnation - not a disaster, but simply nothing special and, crucially, failing to steal any lead over Intel in all but one or two extremely niche applications. I haven't seen anywhere else recommend AMD over Intel (and, indeed, DF weren't specifically - they mentioned an Intel quad-core would be better, but didn't fit in their budget).

    On the lowest budget, you can get a dual-core i3 (80) CPU with an H87 motherboard (65-70). If that's all your budget is, then you'll get better performance than the AMD in just about everything available today, rather than sacrificing performance in the hope that a a few console ports in the future will benefit.

    With a bit more cash you can put a lower i5 (125) into the H87 motherboard, but it would be better to then spend the little bit extra to get the overclockable i5-4670K (165) with a Z87 motherboard (70). The 4670K gets my vote.

    If you buy from Scan, don't forget you have free shipping with enough non-spam posts at the Hexus forums. Don't forget Quidco/Topcashback etc.
  • Jetset_UK 4 Apr 2014 17:51:06 3,560 posts
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    Just a quick bit of advice please guys.

    I'm upgrading an uncles PC that I built him a couple of years ago, with windows 7 and an SSD. Its currently running windows XP.

    I'm just wondering about his current hard drive as it has files and stuff he wants on it. Can I just install win 7 on the SSD, and then delete the win XP files from the old disk and it will all be cool?

    Just delete the 'windows' directory?

    Edited by Jetset_UK at 18:12:18 04-04-2014
  • TVoJ 4 Apr 2014 20:24:36 1,746 posts
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    No don't do that. It will be fine but the HDD will have all sorts of hidden shit floating around.

    Install win 7 to ssd. Connect hdd. Copy files over to ssd. Format hdd. Copy files back to hdd.

    Although using a usb storage device to copy the files to before formatting the hdd is a slightly better option.
  • Sharzam 4 Apr 2014 21:14:26 2,715 posts
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    Depends on what the files are you want to keep and the size. Are we talking just documents, music and other standard files? Or programs, drivers etc?

    If its the former then copy them over to an external device and put that safe to one side. Plug in the SSD and full install windows to that. You can then safely restore your files from the back up. Leaving you with a spare HDD you can format and use for more storage. You should never manually delete core system folders such as Windows you will cause all manner of errors when the registry gets confused (or you might get no problems, but not worth the hassle). You can do what is suggested above but if for example he has the documents in 'My Documents' and has a password on his user account there will be other complications.

    Equally dont ever try to install Windows on top of an existing installation unless it is an actual upgrade program for the system. Which brings me to the latter, if he wants to keep programs it largely depends on the program in question as to whether it requires the registry of the new system, but as a rule of thumb it is easier to redownload and install any programs on your new OS. Some programs are happy to just Copy/Paste and will be none the wiser such as Blizzard games.

    Edited by Sharzam at 21:18:32 04-04-2014

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  • TVoJ 4 Apr 2014 21:20:34 1,746 posts
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    Sharzam wrote:
    You can do what is suggested above but if for example he has the documents in 'My Documents' and has a password on his user account there will be other complications.
    Ahem...

    TVoJ wrote:
    Although using a usb storage device to copy the files to before formatting the hdd is a slightly better option.
    Edited by TVoJ at 21:20:45 04-04-2014
  • Sharzam 5 Apr 2014 09:40:29 2,715 posts
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    I meant regarding installing windows to SSD, then just copy from the HDD, your first point. Sorry wasn't clear.

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  • ResidentKnievel 11 Apr 2014 12:29:49 6,125 posts
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    290 for an R9 290

    Insane deal for an almost titan performance card, although it's fairly noisy even with that MSI cooler, if I hadn't have just recently bought a 7970ghz off ebay for cheap I'd have definitely got this.

    So much for me staying away from AMD forever

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 12:34:24 11-04-2014

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