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  • TVoJ 9 Jun 2013 14:45:56 1,747 posts
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    P.s.

    That 7850 looks like its fit in the sg05 no prob mate. I've looked at loads of pics of the case and there looks plenty of room between motherboard and side panel.

    Edited by TVoJ at 14:46:20 09-06-2013
  • RobTheBuilder 9 Jun 2013 15:06:14 6,521 posts
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    Ok. As long as youve checked both motherboard and case!
  • superdelphinus 9 Jun 2013 16:22:31 8,035 posts
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    I wonder when the 670 will have a price crash then
  • DodgyPast 9 Jun 2013 17:58:28 8,417 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    I wonder when the 670 will have a price crash then
    Or the 660Ti
  • RobTheBuilder 9 Jun 2013 18:08:15 6,521 posts
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    I doubt either will crash, but you'd expect a usual steady drop as new cards are released.
  • superdelphinus 9 Jun 2013 18:19:26 8,035 posts
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    Is that 7870 Tahiti xt edition really comparable to a 670? If so its's like £130 odd cheaper
  • RobTheBuilder 9 Jun 2013 18:21:24 6,521 posts
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    The 660ti is roughly a 7850, so it wouldn't surprise me.
  • andytheadequate 9 Jun 2013 19:35:13 8,081 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    The 660ti is roughly a 7850, so it wouldn't surprise me.
    I thought the 660 was slightly more powerful than the 7850?
  • RobTheBuilder 9 Jun 2013 19:44:34 6,521 posts
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    @andytheadequate I read a comparison which showed the 660ti to be just about above a 7850.
  • FutileResistor 9 Jun 2013 20:46:33 1,221 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    Is that 7870 Tahiti xt edition really comparable to a 670? If so its's like £130 odd cheaper
    Yes, a bit of a strange one, like the 560 Ti 448 from the previous gen, based on a higher level card and released without any fanfare.

    It's a cut down 7950, weirdly uses a bit more power than the 7950, but like the 7950, it can be overclocked to close  to 670 performance levels. 

    Only Powercolor, Club3D, VTX and Sapphire have ever made a Tahiti or XT. None of the top tier GPU makers have ever come out with a model, probably because these are just failed 7950s and AMD just don't want to give these cards too much legitimacy or make them too desirable.

    I got the Sapphire version of the card for a build about three months back for about £170 and it's a very nice card. The supply of these cards was never high and it has been getting more difficult to get them for a reasonable price.

    If you can get a version for under £180 delivered, it's pretty amazing on a price/performance ratio. Over that, you should look at the 7950.

    Aria is one of the only places you can still get these at a reasonable price.
  • FutileResistor 9 Jun 2013 20:56:58 1,221 posts
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    If you are talking stock, the GPU hierarchy is something like:

    7850 < 660 < 7870 < 7870 XT < 660Ti = 7950

    If you take overclocking into account, it's more like

    660 < 7850 < 7870 < 7870 XT = 660 Ti < 7950

    It's worth noting that it is possible to overclock a 7850 beyond a stock 660 Ti.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 21:01:43 09-06-2013
  • andytheadequate 9 Jun 2013 21:09:20 8,081 posts
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    @FutileResistor - ah, that's probably it then. I have a 7850 but haven't bothered overclocking it yet
  • crashVoodoo 9 Jun 2013 21:35:52 3,853 posts
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    TVoJ wrote:
    @crashVoodoo

    That's practically the same build as what I'm looking at bar the GPU. The power recommendations for mine were like 277w so the be quiet should do you.

    As has been mentioned the code paypal20 will get you 20 quid off a 200 spend at dabs so maybe split your order to save a few bucks.

    If the 3350p has a lower power draw, slightly faster processing and is cheaper I really don't see the point in the 3330 unless you're/we're not getting a GPU. Look at the link in my last post.

    Have you ever owned an ssd crash? They really do make a difference.
    No mate, never had an SSD. In fact the most advanced PC kit I ever had was and still is my old pentium thats now serving me as a NAS in the garage.

    I've just found what i think is a nicer case and the bits definitely fit

    https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Cooler+Master+Elite+120+Advanced+Black+Mini-ITX+Gaming+Case+?productId=50924

    a Nexus a day keeps the apple away

  • FutileResistor 9 Jun 2013 22:35:41 1,221 posts
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    @crashVoodoo

    Good find, that case is a much better option in my opinion. Takes full size GPUs and standard ATX PSUs. So it's possible to build a mini-itx without too much of a price premium or most importantly compromising on the PSU.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 22:36:31 09-06-2013
  • TVoJ 10 Jun 2013 00:32:44 1,747 posts
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    @crashVoodoo

    I looked at this case and was going to get it to use an old atx PSU I have but its slightly to tall for my needs.
  • Bremenacht 14 Jun 2013 15:10:03 17,613 posts
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    Build A Better-Than-Xbox-One/PS4 PC For £500

    Why spend money on a wank-sock console when you can spend more money and have a PC instead! One of many articles to come! DF retread coming soon!

    Or, in English, it's a nice little PC spec that'll be good for another month or two.
  • Gartt 15 Jun 2013 12:16:19 1,735 posts
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    Hey guys, any recommendations on a quiet PSU for around £70? Probably going to put together a new haswell build in the summer and am looking around for a nice and quiet psu, also I'm not entirely sure how much juice I'll need, would a 600w be sufficient for this lot or am I looking more at 700w to be safe?

    - i5 4670k
    - 6870 (probably upgrade this later when it starts lagging behind too much)
    - 8GB DDR3
    - 1 x ssd
    - 2 x hdd
    - BD drive and a DVD-RW
    - PCI sound card (Im attached to my old xfi elite)
  • Fake_Blood 15 Jun 2013 12:23:25 4,077 posts
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    You'll be fine with 600 watts.
  • andytheadequate 15 Jun 2013 12:35:28 8,081 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    Build A Better-Than-Xbox-One/PS4 PC For £500

    Why spend money on a wank-sock console when you can spend more money and have a PC instead! One of many articles to come! DF retread coming soon!

    Or, in English, it's a nice little PC spec that'll be good for another month or two.
    I hope it lasts more than a month or two, as that is basically the pc I have!

    It always makes me giggle that they never get anywhere near the price of a console, yet the main focus of the article is to prove that pc gaming is as cheap as consoles
  • RobTheBuilder 15 Jun 2013 13:25:51 6,521 posts
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    As far as I can see 600w should be fine, make sure you get a good make.
    I'll have a look for a specific model when I get on my PC.
  • Bremenacht 15 Jun 2013 13:55:01 17,613 posts
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    andytheadequate wrote:
    Bremenacht wrote:
    Build A Better-Than-Xbox-One/PS4 PC For £500

    Why spend money on a wank-sock console when you can spend more money and have a PC instead! One of many articles to come! DF retread coming soon!

    Or, in English, it's a nice little PC spec that'll be good for another month or two.
    I hope it lasts more than a month or two, as that is basically the pc I have!

    It always makes me giggle that they never get anywhere near the price of a console, yet the main focus of the article is to prove that pc gaming is as cheap as consoles
    :) I meant a month or so before all the prices change and the headline becomes irrelevant. I'm looking forward to that £1000 PC that's TWICE AS GOOD AS AN XBOX article.

    I wonder if they started writing it thinking it'd be a doddle, then found it too difficult and thought 'fuck it - publish anyway'?
  • TVoJ 17 Jun 2013 20:20:53 1,747 posts
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    My build has evolved quite a bit over the last few weeks but I have everything in the baskets ready to click proceed.

    Not gonna get em till weds/thurs whether I order them now or in the morning so I'm holding off for some reason.


    From Scan
    Intel Core i5-3350P 3.10GHz S1155 6MB - £139.38

    120GB SanDisk Extreme, 2.5" SSD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, Read 550MB/s, Write 510MB/s, 83000 IOPS - £81

    Silverstone SG05BB-Lite USB 3.0 Sugo SFF Mini ITX, Black, Internal Black, w/o PSU - £33.26

    4GB Corsair DDR3 Desktop PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 11-11-11-30, 1.5V - £25.68 ----This is to replace the 8GB of Vengeance 1600 im taking out of another system.

    500W CiT Micro-ATX Quiet Fan 20+4pin ATX 12V with 80mm Temp Control Fan, PSU - £23.87

    Total £314.17

    From Dabs
    Noctua NF-F12 PWM 120mm Focused Flow PWM Cooling Fan - £16.78

    Asus P8H77-I Intel S1155 H77 DDR3 mITX - £77.41

    Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 2GB PCI-Express 3.0 HDMI OC - £152.98

    Total £227.17

    Grand Total £541.34

    If I haven't been talked out of anything I'll be ordering this first thing tomorrow.
  • Gartt 17 Jun 2013 22:20:06 1,735 posts
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    Just do it, and then stay away from parts websites for the next couple of years. :D

    Those mini ITX cases always look so odd to my eyes.
  • kentmonkey 17 Jun 2013 22:20:55 20,448 posts
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    Won't the 1600 memory speed slow that system down a bit?
  • TVoJ 17 Jun 2013 22:28:21 1,747 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    Won't the 1600 memory speed slow that system down a bit?
    I'm not all that clued up on ram to be honest, but I've already got the 8gb of vengeance 1600 so I'll give that a bash first and go from there. The ram in the basket is to go in another htpc im selling on to fund a portion of this.
  • kentmonkey 17 Jun 2013 22:32:57 20,448 posts
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    I'm not up on PC hardware much anymore. I just built one recently and, even with an inferior processor to that, I was being recommended memory speeds quicker than that (I went for the 233s or something like that. I can't remember the speed off hand).
  • TVoJ 17 Jun 2013 22:52:05 1,747 posts
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    Do you have one of the AMD A series processors?

    If so I've read the higher speed ram was essential for getting the most of the on board gpu.
  • FutileResistor 17 Jun 2013 22:55:35 1,221 posts
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    @kentmonkey

    Memory speed only makes a difference for the GPU part of AMD's APUs. Your system was an APU which was why we advised high speed memory in your case. I posted graphs and everything.

    For TVoJ's system memory speed won't make any difference.
  • FutileResistor 17 Jun 2013 23:03:09 1,221 posts
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    @TVoJ

    Everything looks ok. Obviously the PSU is not ideal but your choices are limited by the form factor and I'm a PSU snob.

    Remember the PAYPAL20 code for Dabs.
  • kentmonkey 17 Jun 2013 23:06:35 20,448 posts
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    Aha. I just assumed faster RAM would benefit any system, and be a potential bottle-neck.
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