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  • Mola_Ram 18 Aug 2017 16:21:04 16,881 posts
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    I think private enterprises have and should have the right to ban speech from their platforms, even though I might disagree with their decision to do so in some cases.

    Basically, if someone comes into my living room and starts ranting about Jews and whatnot, I don't have to sit there and listen to it. My house, my rules, and Mr. Nazi can go and rant elsewhere.
  • reddevil93 18 Aug 2017 16:44:09 14,006 posts
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    They can, that's why all these racist rallies have to be held on Federal land.
  • mal 18 Aug 2017 17:26:46 28,818 posts
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    Mola_Ram wrote:
    I think private enterprises have and should have the right to ban speech from their platforms, even though I might disagree with their decision to do so in some cases.
    Trouble in this case for companies like Google, they're basically the internet's backbone these days, so roughly analagous to the state in some senses. If they support free speech absolutely, maybe they should be committed to providing it.

    But at the same time, the internet used to work by companies refusing to work with asshats, and that kept things vaguely sane until google turned up, and then facebook and twitter enabled niches to fapp over some shit or other. Maybe it's not such a bad thing if they're not so committed to the policy.
  • DrStrangelove 18 Aug 2017 17:38:38 11,652 posts
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    That's why I think we need laws dealing with hate speech, and not leave it to the mood of someone at Facebook or whatever.
  • thelzdking 18 Aug 2017 17:49:07 6,631 posts
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    Perhaps everyone should just stop talking altogether. It'd make work and public transport far more bearable.
  • DrStrangelove 18 Aug 2017 20:10:39 11,652 posts
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    Posted this in the wrong thread:

    If anyone's interested, this article gives some details about the restrictions an upcoming neo-nazi march is facing in Germany:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/18/berlin-neo-nazi-march-security-after-charlottesville-attack
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 19 Aug 2017 10:17:08 47,415 posts
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    Book-burning event in California cancelled after the organiser says he recieved “credible threats of violence from the left”

    how truly awful their free speech is being restricted like that
  • VariantAEC 19 Aug 2017 10:58:21 15 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    Book-burning event in California cancelled after the organiser says he recieved “credible threats of violence from the left”

    how truly awful their free speech is being restricted like that
    Fine as long as these idiots stop destroying stuff they don't like. I'm personally fine with killing both groups off as neither actually cares about the societies that made their existence possible. They want to destroy stuff play Red Faction: Guerilla.
  • LittleSparra 19 Aug 2017 10:59:08 7,369 posts
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    Free speech being burning books? Teen Vogue to Das Kapital.

    But presumably Confederate statues are valuable historical symbols, right?

    Same old inverse shit.

    Edited by LittleSparra at 10:59:24 19-08-2017
  • H1ggyLTD 19 Aug 2017 10:59:40 8,103 posts
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    It's just one of the old idiots, back with an elaborate story to try and give him a new start.
  • DrStrangelove 19 Aug 2017 11:44:17 11,652 posts
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    LittleSparra wrote:
    But presumably Confederate statues are valuable historical symbols, right?
    How are you supposed to learn about history without statues if there are no books anymore? The liberal left just doesn't think things through
  • Mola_Ram 19 Aug 2017 13:31:46 16,881 posts
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    I wish everyone would just fucking stop being assholes. Just smoke a joint or something and chill out.
  • thelzdking 19 Aug 2017 13:46:20 6,631 posts
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    Burning books? What a bunch of mongs.
  • thelzdking 19 Aug 2017 13:49:22 6,631 posts
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    I mean, burning bolshevik literature? These people are refusing to face up to the modern world in such a profound way it's hilarious.
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 19 Aug 2017 13:50:03 47,415 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    Burning books? What a bunch of literal Nazis.
    FTFY
  • nickthegun 19 Aug 2017 13:58:17 72,347 posts
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    It must be nice to be able to burn deviant literature safe in the knowledge that your 8tb of hentai and child porn are nicely tucked away in your mum's basement.
  • senso-ji 19 Aug 2017 13:58:45 8,154 posts
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    I noticed Mein Kampf wasn't on their list of 'degenerate literature'.
  • JamboWayOh 19 Aug 2017 14:23:55 4,505 posts
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    @thelzdking

    What would you rather they do, burn their secret stash of gay porn? Monster.
  • Tonka 19 Aug 2017 14:30:06 26,893 posts
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    VariantAEC wrote:
    . I'm personally fine with killing both groups off as neither actually cares about the societies that made their existence possible. They want to destroy stuff play Red Faction: Guerilla.
    The two groups being Nazis and people opposing Nazis?
  • LittleSparra 19 Aug 2017 16:10:59 7,369 posts
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    thelzdking wrote:
    I mean, burning bolshevik literature? These people are refusing to face up to the modern world in such a profound way it's hilarious.
    The Commies won the mind war in a way. Anyone not of the alt right is a commie by default. GG Lenin.
  • Deleted user 19 August 2017 16:22:34
    Tonka wrote:
    VariantAEC wrote:
    . I'm personally fine with killing both groups off as neither actually cares about the societies that made their existence possible. They want to destroy stuff play Red Faction: Guerilla.
    The two groups being Nazis and people opposing Nazis?
    There was me thinking non nazis played quite a big role in our society - ie us not being nazis now etc... I didn't pay much attention at school mind.
  • FWB 19 Aug 2017 17:02:16 54,215 posts
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    When has fighting Nazis achieved anything?
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 19 Aug 2017 17:17:23 47,415 posts
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    Here's a special version of Wolfenstein 3D :)

    https://nasser.itch.io/dialogue-3-d

    Edited by MrTomFTW at 00:19:02 20-08-2017
  • DrStrangelove 19 Aug 2017 17:22:08 11,652 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    When has fighting Nazis achieved anything?
    D-day, lots of violence, on many sides. On many sides
  • Tonka 19 Aug 2017 23:32:05 26,893 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    When has fighting Nazis achieved anything?
    Truth somewhere in the middle?
  • Mola_Ram 20 Aug 2017 04:02:06 16,881 posts
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    I'd question whether having threats and riots and self-styled anti-nazi vigilantes on the streets is actually going to make any sort of productive difference. But apparently this is just like World War 2, so hey... get your baseball bats out everyone!

    But in all seriousness, the protests and (larger) anti-protests in Boston were how it should be done. 40,000 people, and very little violence.

    Edited by Mola_Ram at 04:16:12 20-08-2017
  • MrTomFTW Best Moderator, 2016 20 Aug 2017 08:40:41 47,415 posts
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    You're right, it's not comparible to World War II.

    These are more like the Nazis of the 1930s where people said they should have their free speech and they used that to take over.
  • nickthegun 20 Aug 2017 08:57:46 72,347 posts
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    What a unsurprising amount of people seem to forget is that free speech is a two way street.

    People do have a right to come out with tedious Nazi spiel just like the rest of the world has a right to tell them to fuck off and die.
  • senso-ji 20 Aug 2017 12:30:34 8,154 posts
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    Yeah, a lot of people these days (on both sides of political fence) seem to think that free speech equals 'my opinions will be heard without discourse'.
  • Decks Best Forumite, 2016 22 Aug 2017 15:16:36 11,950 posts
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    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/20/are-solar-eclipses-proof-god.html
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