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FWB 53,854 posts
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Oddly, when you follow the citations, you end up at even more nutjob sites! Who'da guessed!
My favourite, so far:
If you voted for Obama, or helped the Democrats steal the election: Go back to Africa!
Nasty 4,791 posts
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I feel some comments coming on
Meh. I'm over laughing at nutjobs for the moment. There's been so much of it the past few days that I don't think I could possibly wring any more entertainment out of them.
What's more important at the moment is whether America can unfuck itself over the next few years.
Based on the public posturing of the GOP on the hill it doesn't look likely.
It isn't surprising that the GoP hasn't won, and it shows how much damage George Bush did whilst in power. He shook public confidence to the core. So the republicans have nobody but themselves to blame.
cyber_nicco 464 posts
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jellyhead wrote:There really are a fair number of reasonable Republicans, but they are largely shouted down by the extremist minority. It's a real problem for the Republicans. Part of the problem is the primary system of choosing candidates. Not really the system, itself - rather, that the more extreme party memebers are more likely the ones to participate (vote). This shapes the dialog of the party and the candidate.
After reading the things i've read in the last few days i really hope that it's just the cockroaches coming out of the woodwork before scattering back to their holes. There has to be some Republicans who aren't touched by madness somewhere. I refuse to believe they are all hypocritical, racist nutjobs with petulant anger issues and guns in their bibles.
I wonder if there will be a more liberal split in the GOP in the next few years? Are there any financial conservatives yet social liberals in the republicans? America's too a big place to have a full consensus in the party surely?
I mean, where are the sane voices for the republicans? Most of what i'm seeing is blamestorming and denial. Digging a deeper, more acidic hole to stick your head in can't be the answer.
Interestingly, this happpens with the Democrats, as well. Though it is more confined by the media (it seems). I live in San Francisco, California, and trust me when I tell you that there are many liberal extremists, too. They revile people like Romney as the antichrist. When in fact he just has differing - and not evil - views in a few key areas.
Anyway, that's more from me than anyone should have to hear.
Ironically, the reasonable Republicans are similar to many Democrats in that they are spineless. Witness Boner saying right after the election he was willing to work on taxes, which he quickly walked back in a Michael Jackson style to where he was facing the opposite direction 24 hours later. You know he got told by the TP bampots that he must pretend the defeat of Romney's tax plans by the electorate was actually a mandate to cut all taxes, close loopholes and broaden the tax base in disguise.
The next six weeks are going to be scary. I don't think the GOP will drive the nation off the cliff for ideological reasons but who knows. The sane party may have so little power now that they will bring the whole temple down as a final act.
The ballot measures which passed are the second nail in the coffin of the GOP. The first is simple demographics. Then having social issues obviously moving against the direction you have been pushing shows that there's not really much left powering the Republican party other than momentum.
Part of me would like to see the dismantling of Medicare, as the quicker the country can be rid of the Baby Boomers the quicker it can attempt to start healing itself and allowing itself to position itself for the future.
I think in the future one of the greatest mysteries to the public will be why the nation passed by the greatest opportunity for the cheapest money in five generations to fix an obviously crumbling infrastructure. If the US does wind up way down the pecking order in 50 years I think blame must be put on the GOP, Tea Party and all the other ignorant morans who prevented the country from sorting decades of neglect while aligning itself with the needs of future.
Interesting couple of posts.
The worst thing is not that these people exist, as every country has nutjobs... But that the republicans actively try to appeal to this audience.
Would be like the Tories going after the BNP vote.
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@RobTheBuilder they would if the BNP or UKIP or whatever did t exist. You only have to see the 1970s Tory flyers with 'If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour' on to see this. The problem is the Tea Party needs to be just that. The Tea Party, not the GOP. It's absolutely badly to think that 350 million people (or whatever the US pop is) can be represented by 2 parties. That everyone is either blue or red. Ok, over here we may be effectively 2 party, but those smaller parties are important in the debate.
There is a greater movement towards independents in the US. 2-3 senators and a number of members of the House are not members of either party. Of course, to have any influence they wind up caucusing with one or the other, which sorta negates the point.
Unless the GOP takes back the helm from the flaming lunatics then they are going to become weaker and weaker and have less and less direct power. If this happens, the US is more likely to become a single party nation then anything else.
@RichieTenenbaum Without minority parties who crave power, the Tories would have never have got elected.
Khanivor wrote:Well, lets just hope that the posturing is just that, and that they plan to negotiate regardless.
Based on the public posturing of the GOP on the hill it doesn't look likely.
And despite how funny it might be and how good it might feel, the "har har har, my team won, SUCK IT REPUBLICAN BITCHES" grandstanding of some liberals isn't really going to help. And one would say the same about some conservatives if the tables were turned.
Does anyone think it is possible that some extremist fringe elements might turn militant or a secessionist movement might arise? I've seen a bit of chatter along these lined on twitter/facebook but obviously it's just talk for now. Maybe that would be for the better let them have thier theocratic state and 'small government'.
Also, I really dont get all these Republicans calling Obama a socialist. Its a total abuse of the word. By their definition, all of Europe, South America, Australia etc are socialist states. Do they really think America is the last bastion of freedom and capitalism in a world of communist dictatorships?
People in Texas have talked about secession for ages. It's never happened. And I don't think it will happen now, regardless of where it is or who's saying it.
There might be more breakaway political parties though.
@Rodney the Republican movement use socialism as a dirty word to create a Mis-information about the democrats. Just as they do with communism and so on.
It's always possible that some of the fringe elements might take direct action. After all, the greatest home grown terrorists have always tended to come from the right-wing.
It would be amusing if a state decided to secede. Texas can go and then we can bring in Puerto Rico and then we wouldn't need to change the flag.
It's quite incredible how little coverage their voting to become the 51st state has got. It's almost as if no one wants to push the loonies over the edge and they themselves can't cope with the notion so are in denial it exists. Especially as it's most likely that when Puerto Rico becomes a state their two Senators will lean Democratic. In fact, adding a 51st state is sure to have lots of administration implications, such as where the 'majority' tipping point lies in the Senate when dealing with fillibusters.
Mad, bad and dangerous to know American politics may be but it sure isn't boring!
A bit like thier use of 'liberal' as pejorative even though their economic philosphy is extremely liberal
@Khanivor That's always likely given that liberalism per se is more peaceful and open to negotiation.
And because they are all fucking draft-dodging, God hating commie hippies
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Well the republicans are going to have to do a hell of a lot of soul searching and re-evaluation what they want to stand for before the next election.
Hillary will probably run for president in the next election and well, at that point she would of been around the white house for 16 years which will be an interesting thing to campaign with and she could very well pick bill clinton for vice president and that would indeed be a incredibly scary line up for the republicans to face as they stand right now.
The republican party is at a cross roads right now and if they go to the centre to appeal to more people they will lose the extremists who vote for them religiously and the probably won't be elected for 10 or so years but they will avoid ending up a fringe party. On the other hand if the keep up with trying to appeal to the right wing nutjobs they will piss off what are for the moment minorities for generations while the baby boomers gradually die and erode their share of the vote.
Problem is, in terms of international relations Hillary Clinton has been acting in a very Republican manner for a while.
Also, I think it is dangerously unhealthy for two families to have been in power for 6 out of 8 presidential terms (which it would be if she won).
In terms of a lot of things Obama is basically a moderate Republican. If Americans weren't such diehard supporters of their "teams" they might b e able to agree or disagree with him based on things he has actually done, not what party he belongs to.
@Mola_Ram All American politics is a big shove right of most democratic countries. I find it ironic that the country in which democracy has the least impact on policy, and is arguably implemented in the most ineffective, unreliable and damaged way, is the one that claims to wish to bring freedom and choice to the world.
Im not sure, surely if they go centre-right they will still be the only viable choice for the far right by default.
Also many minorities are socially conservative. If the Republicans can find a way to be more inclusive then they could capture a lot more minority votes. Particularly if the economy hadn't picked up by 2016. Who's that latino Republican from Florida, Ruban or something, I reckon he could be a vote winner for them (sadly)
Rodney wrote:There's a very, very short answer to that question.
Do they really think America is the last bastion of freedom and capitalism in a world of communist dictatorships?
You were warned, you fools.
Obama: 'Help Us Destroy Jesus And Start A New Age Of Liberal Darkness'
CHARLOTTE, NC—With the savage roar of the heathen Democratic horde rising all around him, President Barack Obama delivered an incendiary speech to close his party’s national convention Thursday night, commanding the ultraprogressive minions in attendance to help him “destroy Jesus and usher in a new age of liberal darkness that shall reign o’er the earth for a thousand years.”
The thunderous 45-minute address—during which the president argued for a second term so that he could “finally kill Jesus once and for all, as well as all those who worship him”—was well received by the frenzied, wild-eyed audience, whose piercing chants of “Four more years!” and “Slaughter the believers!” echoed throughout the Time Warner Cable Arena.
“My fellow Americans and godless infidels, I command you to join me as we cast an endless pall of far-left evil across the hills and valleys of our nation!” Obama bellowed from the stage, as thousands in attendance moaned in compliance and gyrated their hips and groins in a lascivious dance. “Together, as a barbarian people forged by the wicked flames of irreligiosity and united by visions of a liberal dystopia, we will rise up as one to scorch the earth with boundless amorality.”
“The streets shall run red with the blood of forced sodomy, performed daily upon every American man, woman, and child!” the commander-in-chief shouted, froth forming around his mouth as the crowd threw hundreds of aborted fetuses onto the stage. “Die, Christians, die!”
Slamming his fists on the lectern until his hands began to bleed, Obama proceeded to lay out a “three-point plan of sin and lechery” for his second term. If reelected, the president said, he would begin by banning organized religion entirely—starting with Christianity—and burning all churches to the ground, preferably “with their wretched, Jesus-loving congregants still huddled inside like rats.”
As members of the audience violently tugged at their genitals and howled like sex-starved, atheist wolves, Obama stated that his administration would then seek to make free, taxpayer-funded abortions legal at any stage of pregnancy, even up to one full year after birth, in order to supply his newly created “federal stem-cell harvesting plants” with raw materials.
In addition, the cackling president vowed to “end traditional marriage as we know it” by passing legislation that would allow only homosexuals to raise children, a longtime Democratic policy goal.
“A glorious new age of sinister, unconstrained liberalism is dawning! Oh, dear Satan, I can feel it coursing through my veins at this very moment!” shrieked Obama, ripping off his shirt to reveal an ornate tattoo of a pentagram, with a different homosexual act positioned at each of the star’s five points. “Agnosticism, contempt for human life, and radical sexual experimentation shall rule the day! Any good, virtuous, family-values-oriented Christian Americans who seek to topple our magnificent liberal kingdom of eternal darkness will be powerless to stop us! We will crush them!”
Added Obama, “Thank you, may Satan reward you all, and may God tremble in fear at the United States of America!”
The president was then handed an unbaptized, orphaned newborn baby drenched in the blood of 666 slaughtered Christians, which he handed over to its new, gleefully squealing homosexual parents.
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