I see fruit has been pre-gaming for the debate 
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Khanivor 38,683 posts
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ecureuil 74,170 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI made this thread over three years ago, I do somewhat regret the title every time I see it bumped. I could change it, but I won't. -
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meme 15,519 posts
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Registered 5 years agoI will say this - Obama is 'uh' and 'um'ing a lot more than Romney.GHOSTBUSTERS
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Mola_Ram 2,406 posts
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Registered 11 months agoI'd prefer it if they ditched the point-scoring, who-is-winning bullshit that surrounds the debates (and the election in general) and instead focused on what Obama has done wrong, and how it could be done better. You know, actual *debates*, about policy and such. That would be so much more useful than "hurr hurr, Romney/Obama is going to get trashed, I can't wait". Albeit less entertaining.
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Khanivor 38,683 posts
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Registered 11 years agoRomney is coming across as more energetic and with it on the TV. Ok he's full of shit and being a fucking dick but in the now he's done we'll.
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mal 20,523 posts
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Registered 11 years agoWhat I've seen of it, Romney has come across well, but then so has Obama. I don't know if America is tired of Obama's schtick yet, so maybe Romney's schtick is coming across better. Obama does seem to be doing more attacking to me though, while Romney doesn't seem to be differentiating himself other than on vague idealogical lines. I still don't understand the difference between Obamacare and Romneycare for example.Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!
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meme 15,519 posts
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Registered 5 years agoObama's not really attacking at all. Granted, I'm a few minutes behind as I had to do a beer run (Sam insisted on doing a drinking game for the debates), but he hasn't brought up things like the 47% comment and so on and so forth. Some pundits reckon he's been specifically training not to attack, but to reiterate facts. The only attacks he's really done is on Mitten's utter vagueness on how he intends to fix things.
But, speaking as someone who is only half-joking about saying I'll leave the country if Romney gets in, he's performing better. I suspect the Dems will heavily adjust their tactics for the next two.GHOSTBUSTERS
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mal 20,523 posts
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Registered 11 years agomeme wrote:
Yes, I'll admit that's my recollection of his main attacks too. Romney's come out of this much better than I'd expected, and if the voters fancy a change he comes across as a more than viable alternative to the status quo.
The only attacks he's really done is on Mitten's utter vagueness on how he intends to fix things.Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!
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Psychotext 49,221 posts
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Registered 7 years agoObama was way too nice. Romney won, but he mostly won by being an unlikeable arsehole.This post is sponsored by Apple and the iPhone 4S. Think different.
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localnotail 21,457 posts
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Registered 4 years agoRomney spoke directly to the camera most of the time, and therefore to the voters. Obama spoke more often direct to the chair / local audience, which is better form but less effective.
Romney just seemed to be throwing out crowd-pleasing promises, with no word about how to achieve them. Obama did manage to point this out at least once.
I thought Obama looked weary though. Almost expected him break his genial mould to say "Oh come on people, this guy is a douche-bag with loopy religious beliefs, don't trust the country to him, you idiots!".
Second debate should have more blood in it.Playing all the right notes— but not necessarily in the right order.
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Psychotext 49,221 posts
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Registered 7 years agoOh, and the moderator was fucking useless.
Try pulling that shit on Paxman. He'd murder your whole family.This post is sponsored by Apple and the iPhone 4S. Think different.
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meme 15,519 posts
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Registered 5 years agoPsychotext wrote:
Loved the "I would have had five seconds if you didn't interrupt me" bit.
Oh, and the moderator was fucking useless.
Try pulling that shit on Paxman. He'd murder your whole family.GHOSTBUSTERS
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ILoveThrashMetal 300 posts
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Registered 2 years agoJust the thought of a mormon being the most powerful man in the world sends cold shivers down my spine.Arsechickens
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Mola_Ram 2,406 posts
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Registered 11 months agoWord is that Romney "won" the debate. Well, fantastic for him. And great for the bookies who would have made quite a bit off his perfor- wait, people bet on this shit? Like it's a horse race?
There's something slightly disturbing about that, but YAY MY GUY WON WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Registered 6 years agoecureuil wrote:
Change it to 'America, FUCK YEAH!'
I made this thread over three years ago, I do somewhat regret the title every time I see it bumped. I could change it, but I won't.morriss wrote: My actual real opinion is very insulting and unhelpful. -
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Registered 7 years agoAl Gore says Obama didn't do well because of Denver's high altitude.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/04/al-gore-blames-altitude-for-obama-performance/
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Registered 6 years agomeme wrote:
I didn't bother with the debate, but I'll guess that anyone playing that game would have ended up in hospital as a result.
http://conservativeintel.com/2012/10/01/2012-presidential-debate-drinking-game/
Clips I saw sounded totally snooze-worthy. Romney sounds like he's learned a winning trick though - lie all you want, as long as those lies fit the pre-conceptions of your probable voters.This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.
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Dogme 576 posts
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Registered 5 years agoILoveThrashMetal wrote:
He'd be pledging allegiance to the Osmonds every morning!
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Registered 5 years agoJust watched the debate on Youtube.
I think that Romney did take it, but not because Obama was flustered or tired; he seemed his usual self IMO. The problem with Obama was that he went on the defensive too early and immediately began attacking Romney's ideas and pledges, when he should have stood by his own achievements to date.
Romney, on the other hand, did absolutely the right thing by criticising Obama's last four years - that's his job as the opposition candidate.
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Khanivor 38,683 posts
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I so wanted Obama to fire back when Romney said that, because he had five boys, he knew what it was like for someone to lie so often that they think the lie will become treated as truth. I mean, FFS, that is Romney's entire campaign in a somewhat odd personal anecdote.
Clips I saw sounded totally snooze-worthy. Romney sounds like he's learned a winning trick though - lie all you want, as long as those lies fit the pre-conceptions of your probable voters.
The entire Republican plank these days is basically the same thing - fact free and dripping with kinda creepy bullshit stories. It's a shame, as there's certainly room for debate about a great many things. But when one lot has decided to completely sever itself from reality then there's not much anyone can do to achieve anything meaningful. -
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Registered 5 years agoRomney won the debate as it happened, but the after event is proving somewhat different - the fact checking has effectively torn most of Romney's rebuttals and attacks apart. Even though it's Rolling Stone, this is a pretty good rundown.GHOSTBUSTERS
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Psychotext 49,221 posts
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Registered 7 years agoAmericans don't have the attention span to care though. It's all LOUD NOISES and then they go back to their hunting and whatnot.
Win at the debate or don't... you wont win with factcheckers.This post is sponsored by Apple and the iPhone 4S. Think different.
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meme 15,519 posts
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Registered 5 years agoI dunno. The fact that there are multiple debates means the facts themselves should crop up there. Everything Romney said in this one that's a verifiable lie can be torn apart by Obama in round two in the opening statements (and vice versa). In theory, get the right things in and perform properly and confidently (unlike the first one), and Obama can knock Romney's legs out in the first few minutes. "Winning" the first debate only results in a small, temporary PR boost. The second and third are when it actually counts for a more substantial bump.GHOSTBUSTERS
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@meme Different focus in each of the future debates though? Which'd mean Romney can tell fresh lies and -presumably- not have them challenged until after the debate, by which time they'd already had their effect.
Obama seems to be doing what he did for his first few years in government - avoiding a fight.This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.
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