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  • paul_haine 22 Mar 2009 10:27:06 4,205 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    I don't care what they want, can't they fuck off and protest somewhere that doesn't make me late for work?

    It's London, surely you're late for work three days out of five anyway?
  • DaisyD 22 Mar 2009 10:27:59 11,818 posts
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    richardiox wrote:
    The Labour Party?!

    Did you even look at the list. They're 1st!
  • DaisyD 22 Mar 2009 10:32:52 11,818 posts
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    Aspic wrote:
    DaisyD wrote:
    Aspic wrote:
    What's wrong with the second lot? From a brief glance on the website, it seems just to be reflecting news and views? Might not agree with them but why do they seem to be trouble?

    Their anarchists. It's kind of their point to make trouble.

    That's a very worrying view from someone in the police. Noam Chomski, Germaine Greer, Alan Moore - all these people are anarchists but hardly make trouble in the sense you mean. Yes there are violent groups out there, but to just say anarchists=trouble is a tad of an oversimplification

    anarchist |ˈanərkist|
    noun
    a person who believes in or tries to bring about anarchy.

    anarchy |ˈanərkē|
    noun
    a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority
  • DaisyD 22 Mar 2009 10:35:27 11,818 posts
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    Aspic wrote:
    Indeed. But where does it say that anarchists try to bring about their aims necessarily through violence. As I said before - some (if not a lot) do, but there are plenty of examples of those that don't.

    More to the point, where did I say it?
  • DaisyD 22 Mar 2009 10:39:14 11,818 posts
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    You can make trouble in many other ways than just violence. Especially when you're matching alongside the very political party currently in power, which they don't recognise.
  • DaisyD 22 Mar 2009 10:44:35 11,818 posts
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    I've seen peaceful protests (non-anarchists) who've caused trouble by sitting in the road, blocking it, naked.
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 10:58:36
    Nekkid anarchists ain't a pretty site. So much body hair
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 11:04:40
    DaisyD wrote:
    I looked at the list of groups attending and they were all pretty respectable til I saw this lot and this lot there.
    Christ what a sad bunch of cunts.
  • faux_carnation 22 Mar 2009 11:43:50 9,164 posts
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    List of oxymorons:

    1. Anarchist society
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 11:50:53
    Meh, Anarchism is just a more scary/cool name for Libertarianism.
  • mwtb 22 Mar 2009 11:57:42 2,381 posts
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    I don't know where the surprise here is. The "preservation of public order" is a core duty of the British police force. As an institution it has a fundamental opposition to any and all forms of civil unrest -- even peaceful protest -- even if the law means that they have to tolerate it to a certain extent. The fact that coppers dislike anarchists and vice versa and the legal system arbitrates their interactions is exactly how it's meant to be.

    For the rest of us, who sit somewhere in the middle between full-on authoritarians and anarchists, the interesting thing is what will happen to this legal fulcrum. The balance point has been moved very much in the authoritarian direction over the past decade, but I suspect we're about to see it moving back and that normally comes with a fair amount of trouble along the way.
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 11:59:49
    Can someone sum up what the protests will be against, I can't be bothered reading all the sites linked to here. And please don't say they are protesting against war.
  • faux_carnation 22 Mar 2009 12:02:36 9,164 posts
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    Capitalism, mostly
  • TheSaint 22 Mar 2009 12:04:51 14,260 posts
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    /Sets reminder to watch the police give some hippies a good beating on sky news.
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 12:09:41
    faux_carnation wrote:
    Capitalism, mostly
    How the hell do you protest capitalism?
  • faux_carnation 22 Mar 2009 12:16:31 9,164 posts
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    "Capitalism is bad!"

    "Down with this sort of thing!"

    "Eat the rich!"

    "Careful now!"
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 12:27:07
    lol
  • richardiox 22 Mar 2009 12:41:08 5,565 posts
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    If need prompting about what these protests could possibly be against it's probably not worth you knowing to be honest Mowgli.
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 12:44:54
    Well of course I understand what they are targeted against. I just find heading such as Down With Capitalism a bit daft, and very otiose.
  • Metalfish 22 Mar 2009 12:56:32 8,818 posts
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    Can someone give a nice clear explanation of anarchism, please?

    I mean if you see two anarchists working together doesn't that make them either socialists or autocrats depending on the power balance between the two?

    /Genuinely ignorant
  • Hunam 22 Mar 2009 12:59:05 20,674 posts
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    Hanging of effigies?

    We are a civilised lot aren't we.
  • mwtb 22 Mar 2009 13:08:33 2,381 posts
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    Metalfish wrote:
    Can someone give a nice clear explanation of anarchism, please?

    Not one that all anarchists would agree with, no. Like any other label it gets applied to a variety of beliefs and groups and combined with other labels.

    The most common examples of people who self-identify as anarchists in the UK have relatively unfocused anti-authoritarian beliefs and are the stereotypical "rebel without a clue". They might share the same anti-government sentiments of the more sophisticated end of the spectrum, but lack any semblance of an answer to the problems that government institutions developed to resolve.
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 18:21:20
    It is interesting how amongst a broad group of different political and social organizations, which should also include anyone hurting due to the economic crisis regardless of politics, this thread suddenly focuses on 'omg teh anarchists!'. A group which although extreme, hasn't fucked up the country and world on the scale achieved by our recent governments and banks.

    I guess propaganda is a powerful thing.
  • Metalfish 22 Mar 2009 18:40:37 8,818 posts
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    @RedPanda

    MY GOD! YOU'RE RIGHT! It's obviously a conspiracy of niteninja proportions. We've been turned against those plucky anarchists as a distractionary technique to avoid questioning the dark hand that control our fair isle.

    OR

    This is EG. Tangents of tangents are more common than unfunny in-jokes round these parts. Anarchy, in the strict definition describes a very special and somewhat rare circumstance, and derivations of the term typically refer to ideologies that already have names. Please don't patronise people by suggesting that taking the piss out of anarchists is indicative of sheep-like mind-sets and submission to those in authority. I repeat: this is EG, not a You-Gov opinion poll on the dangers of extreme politics in contrast to current governance and big business.
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 20:50:03
    All branches of anarchism are opposed to capitalism.
    Here I am, right on cue. :)

    Anarchism isn't necessarily opposed to capitalism, if anything it's more anti-government than socialism/communism.
  • Metalfish 22 Mar 2009 20:53:09 8,818 posts
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    Aspic wrote:
    What an ironic post
    Wait, there really is a conspiracy?
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 20:56:47
    Not really; it's necessarily opposed to authoritarianism.

  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 20:58:49
    You come back here when I'm trying to avoid essay writing!

    /shakes fist
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 21:00:54
    Well I had to give it up when I was working for a couple of years, but now I'm back I get one more year at it. \0/
  • Deleted user 22 March 2009 21:02:48
    Naw man, you're living the dream...

    /looks around for someone buying in
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