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  • senso-ji 21 Oct 2012 11:53:13 5,790 posts
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    Brook has the skills and the power to beat Alexander, but we'll see if he has the temperament. Alexander does a lot of clinching, leads with his head and dirty boxing to dictate fights.
  • billythekid 21 Oct 2012 11:59:32 11,015 posts
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    Much as it pains me to say it, Brook looked top class last night. Showed he has the power to go with the speed and slick skills. I'm not a fan of his in particular but I'd love to see him smash Khan up.
  • ibenam 21 Oct 2012 12:17:10 1,344 posts
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    Brook looked good but you have to remember Saldavia (?) was essentially a journeyman.

    Looking at it objectively Brook still looked wide open defensively, his combinations are predictable(albeit powerfull) and his foot movement is poor.

    Hatton would beat him by side to side movement and body shots whilst khan would simply box from the outside and outbox him.

    Obviously if either got in a "fight" with Brook I would back Brook just on the basis of his pure power.

    Edited by ibenam at 12:17:33 21-10-2012
  • ibenam 21 Oct 2012 12:18:55 1,344 posts
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    Oh and kell also seems to do a lot of "thinking" between throwing his combinations.

    Something at the top level he wont have the pleasure of.
  • thenastypasty 21 Oct 2012 12:45:22 5,180 posts
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    Saldivia a journeyman? You do realise he was rated number 3 by the IBF? he was accually higher than Devon Alexander this time yesterday.

    As for Ricky Hatton beating Kell, you're thinking of the Ricky of 4/5 years ago, It still remains to be seen if he can still cut it at the top.

    As for Khan, he loves a scrap to much not to go toe to toe with Kell, you've seen what Danny Garcia did to Khan and Kell punches a lot harder than Garcia.

    As for "thinking" inbetween combos, that's being called measured.

    What Kell done last night to Saldivia is exactly what a Mayweather/Bradly or Pacman would have done to him. Now I'm not say he would beat of those 3 but I think he'd beat Hatton/Khan/Alexander without to many problems.

    Edited by thenastypasty at 12:51:28 21-10-2012
  • Deckard1 21 Oct 2012 13:20:50 27,135 posts
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    You think he'd beat Khan without too many problems? Really?
  • thenastypasty 21 Oct 2012 15:58:44 5,180 posts
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    I think he'd beat him within 6 rounds. I just think he's too powerful and too accurate for Khan.
  • ibenam 21 Oct 2012 17:11:32 1,344 posts
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    I'd take Khan's hand speed over Brooks power any day of the week.

    Yes Khan likes a scrap but its not difficult to adjust that mentality especially with the new trainer.
  • ibenam 21 Oct 2012 17:12:26 1,344 posts
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    thenastypasty wrote:

    As for "thinking" inbetween combos, that's being called measured.
    I dont think it's measured at all, i actually think its inexperience.

    He should be feinting or showing more headmovement.

    Brook is FAR too easy to hit.

    Edited by ibenam at 17:14:19 21-10-2012
  • Orange 21 Oct 2012 18:23:45 4,655 posts
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    Rankings mean very little. Saldvia has beaten no-one of any note and been flattened by the only halfdecent fighters he's come up against. Brook got shown up by Carson Jones, he's not bad but he'll lose to any proper top level fighter.
  • thenastypasty 21 Oct 2012 19:30:56 5,180 posts
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    ibenam wrote:
    I'd take Khan's hand speed over Brooks power any day of the week.

    Yes Khan likes a scrap but its not difficult to adjust that mentality especially with the new trainer.
    You ask any pro or amateur and they will all say that accuracy beats speed all day long. As for adjusting Khans mentality, enough trainers have tried and fail to stop him getting involved in tear ups, when its in you it in you. I tell you one thing though, it would be a cracking scrap :)

    Edited by thenastypasty at 19:31:36 21-10-2012
  • SuperCoolEskimo 21 Oct 2012 19:40:26 9,711 posts
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    Brook has got a long way to go before thinking about fighting a top level fighter like Khan. He's beaten nothing but bum after bum, sums up the joke boxing is right now that he is being touted to face Khan after padding his record beating nobodies.

    Saldivia was awful, looked scared from the first bell and got KO'd by a jab ffs.
  • SuperCoolEskimo 21 Oct 2012 19:44:45 9,711 posts
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    And the reason why Brook has so much power is because he can afford to sit on his punches knowing that nothing meaningful will come back from his journeyman opponents. He won't have that luxury against a mid-level boxer let alone a top level boxer.
  • NotSoSlim 21 Oct 2012 21:46:58 3,116 posts
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    thenastypasty wrote:
    ibenam wrote:
    I'd take Khan's hand speed over Brooks power any day of the week.

    Yes Khan likes a scrap but its not difficult to adjust that mentality especially with the new trainer.
    You ask any pro or amateur and they will all say that accuracy beats speed all day long. As for adjusting Khans mentality, enough trainers have tried and fail to stop him getting involved in tear ups, when its in you it in you. I tell you one thing though, it would be a cracking scrap :)
    Well Roach didnt really try did he? Think Virgil may be making of him personally
  • ibenam 21 Oct 2012 22:37:54 1,344 posts
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    Personally I think Brook should go after Alexander who looked distinctly average this past weekend.

    Id love to see Khan vs Hatton. I think that is the far bigger fight (regardless of what Hearn junior says)
  • ibenam 23 Oct 2012 13:08:26 1,344 posts
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  • senso-ji 25 Oct 2012 23:52:06 5,790 posts
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    RIP Emanuel Steward

    A coach of so many great champions :(
  • cheeky_prawnking 26 Oct 2012 08:23:29 4,261 posts
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    Just reading this, not a big follower of boxing but sometimes a name stands out, his was one.
  • craigy Staff 2 Nov 2012 11:17:36 7,510 posts
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    Never seen this video before. Ali and Tyson share a stage and talk about who would win if they fought. Both guys are so humble!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki4UKsI8bms&feature=youtu.be&t=1m55s
  • ibenam 8 Nov 2012 22:09:43 1,344 posts
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    craigy wrote:
    Never seen this video before. Ali and Tyson share a stage and talk about who would win if they fought. Both guys are so humble!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki4UKsI8bms&feature=youtu.be&t=1m55s
    Yeah i've seen that before - classic vid.

    Alil was one of my hero's and had the pleasure of meeting him however I get bored to death watching his fights.

    I dont know what it is apart from the fact that perhaps he dominated so many it just wasn't interesting to watch...apart from the obvious examples!
  • thenastypasty 17 Nov 2012 19:54:14 5,180 posts
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    Anyone watching the card on sky tonight? Big night for froch but I'm more interested in seeing how Tony Bellew gets on. I think he could go far far if he keeps his chin tucked in.
  • spindle9988 17 Nov 2012 19:57:37 3,492 posts
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    Looking forward to the Froch fight. Anyone know roughly what time the fight will start?
  • thenastypasty 17 Nov 2012 19:58:22 5,180 posts
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    Not much later than 11 I'd say.

    Edit: I worry about Froch tonight. Without doubt he is a warrior, but I still think even given who he fought in the super six he really isn't world class. Mack is light heavy who now but he used to struggle to make weight as super middle 5 years ago. How would he have got on in the Ubank Benn Collins Watson era?

    Edited by thenastypasty at 20:06:03 17-11-2012

    Edit 2: get your money on Kal yafai to be British champion within 12 months and world within 2 years, the kid can box.

    Edited by thenastypasty at 20:11:25 17-11-2012
  • Load_2.0 17 Nov 2012 20:10:42 18,879 posts
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    I watched an interview with Hatton last week, whilst he seems to be in shape he has so much invested in this "comeback" emotionally, to redeem himself after all the coke, pies and tears, whereas this chap Vyacheslav Senchenko has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    If he gets knocked out in round 2 again it will destroy him.
  • thenastypasty 17 Nov 2012 20:14:23 5,180 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    I watched an interview with Hatton last week, whilst he seems to be in shape he has so much invested in this "comeback" emotionally, to redeem himself after all the coke, pies and tears, whereas this chap Vyacheslav Senchenko has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    If he gets knocked out in round 2 again it will destroy him.
    I hope not. He said on twitter that f he loses he has given it his best shot. Personally I think he may upset a few pundits.

    Also if he goes over to New York to fight in the spring like is being banded about I'm going.
  • thenastypasty 17 Nov 2012 20:17:35 5,180 posts
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    Told you about Kal Yafai, the kid can go a long way.
  • thenastypasty 17 Nov 2012 21:07:43 5,180 posts
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    Bellew will be in the ring around 9.10 and Froch around 10pm
  • ibenam 17 Nov 2012 22:33:09 1,344 posts
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    Bellew shut out over Bolonti.

    Incurred a cut early on which meant he fought like he did in the Miranda fight.

    Controlled and precise.

    Bit too early for a World Title fight but certainly creeping up.

    On to Frochhhhhhh!!!
  • thenastypasty 17 Nov 2012 22:42:06 5,180 posts
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    Fair play to Bellew, bad cut, but it was his own fault leaving himself open to that left hand. He was lucky tonight that he had mick Williamson in his corner. But fair play he got the win. Now on to the Froch fight... I've had 20 double that both Bellew and Froch win on points!
  • ibenam 17 Nov 2012 23:16:07 1,344 posts
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    All over!

    Froch is really in his prime now,

    He should get Kessler back in the ring then go for Ward!
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