XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console

By Dan Whitehead Published 7 October, 2008

We've played everything on them, so which is best?

It wasn't so long ago that industry chinwaggers were pondering whether or not digital games distribution could ever take off. Would there ever be a time when players wanted to buy stuff without leaving their armchair, and have the game piped directly into their console? Or were they too fond of those piles of DVD cases teetering next to the telly? We know the answer now, of course, but it's interesting to note just how quickly this once-fanciful notion has become the accepted norm, now that the major console manufacturers have all put their weight behind it.

Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii all now have established and thriving downloadable game systems in place, but each has taken a slightly different route to realise the concept. With gamers now used to the idea of downloading new titles direct to their console, and with The Big Three all well established in that arena, it seems like a good time to cast a critical eye over how each is faring.

But before we start, a word of explanation. After some deliberation, I decided not to include the PC in this feature, even though services like Steam tread similar ground. However, downloadable games are nothing new on the PC, and the open nature of the platform makes it impossible to quantify in comparative terms. Also, the focus is firmly on each console's downloadable games, both new and retro, not online gaming and whether you should pay Bill Gates to do it.

Frequency

With Microsoft staking out Wednesday as their Live Arcade update day, and Nintendo grabbing the weekend-starts-here Friday slot for the Virtual Console (and later WiiWare), Sony were somewhat stuck for choice and had to press on with a rather awkward piggy-in-the-middle Thursday-based update schedule.

Microsoft pioneered the promise of delivering new games every week, and the publishing people have barely missed a week since the 360 launched. Admittedly, some weeks it felt like they would have been better off uploading an old boiled sweet that they found behind the sofa rather than some of obvious filler they've slapped online, but that's an argument for another section. They've successfully conditioned 360 owners to see Wednesday as New Live Arcade Game day and when they've got games worth shouting about, as with the recent run of great-to-excellent software in August, the regularity has helped ramp up the anticipation. The one area where Microsoft still seems rather uncertain is its retro Xbox Originals range. Additions to the list are sporadic at best, with no clear schedule or reasoning behind what goes up and when, and there doesn't seem to be much urgency on Microsoft's part to change that state of affairs. For shame.

'XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console' Screenshot lostwinds

Nintendo haven't quite managed to master the anticipation thing, mostly because it rarely lets slip what it's planning to upload, leaving gamers to check the Wii Shop and see what the Nintendo Fairy has left under their pillow. Despite the unusually coy approach to promotion, the Friday uploads are a regular fixture for most Wii owners, with only occasional deviations to accommodate minor inconveniences like Christmas. Now that WiiWare has launched, the update alternates between retro games and new stuff. It's a curiously binary way of handling the separate stores - surely there'd be more sustainable interest in a mixture of old and new each week? This is what it tried on 29th August, but from what we can gather this was not the start of a regular dual-upload for both services.

Compared to the clockwork efficiency of its rivals, Sony's efforts to build up momentum for their PlayStation Store have struggled somewhat. The Thursday updates are regular enough, but there's no guarantee that full games will be part of the package, and even after all this time it doesn't look like Sony's in a hurry to compete with the "new games every week" ethos of the competition. This is perhaps understandable where original games are concerned - quality over quantity and all that - but with a vast library of PSone games largely untouched, it seems strange that retro offerings haven't settled into a familiar routine.

Advantage: Xbox 360 and Wii

Variety

There are two ways of looking at the variety offered by the three download services. One is to consider the sheer volume of software available. The other is to look at how many different genres and gaming tastes are catered for by the games on offer. In the first instance, the Wii is the clear leader with almost 250 games, spanning eight emulated formats, on the Virtual Console alone.

'XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console' Screenshot chinawarrior

Of course, this breadth of content isn't always matched by depth, and many weeks have felt like titles were being added to bump up the total for an exciting press release claim rather than because the world was waiting with bated breath to play China Warrior again. Just by virtue of the sheer number of games on the Virtual Console, the Wii has most bases covered when it comes to particular genres. There's an obvious bias towards shoot-'em-ups and scrolling fighting games, but that's just a reflection of the eras being emulated. WiiWare is proving even more eclectic, with role-playing city simulations, point-and-click adventures and more traditional puzzle and platform games already on the service.

Xbox Live Arcade isn't too shabby in the volume department either, with just over 150 games to choose from. For any new console owner, that's certainly a reasonable amount to browse through, even if the numbers were pumped up by too many ill-conceived ports of old arcade games and uninspired puzzlers in the early years of the service. Luckily, even Microsoft thinks there's too much chaff, and has vowed to mercilessly cull the weaker games with hammers. Its insistence on banging the online drum also means that there's a greater ratio of multiplayer titles, and even the lowliest game is required by Microsoft decree to at least feature online leaderboards, so you can see if you're better at Tiqal than !!!5kUllV3nOM!!!.

Sony's relatively slow start in the realm of downloadable gaming means that it's not even close to offering the same bulk, but that may not be a bad thing. The early titles were a mixed bunch, with fairly generic games like Snakeball, Feel Ski and High Velocity Bowling all suggesting a console trying to find its virtual voice. Fast forward to now, and titles like Super Stardust, LocoRoco, echochrome and the PixelJunk series feel much more cohesive and suggest Sony is staking its claim as the home of stylish casual gaming. It's also notable that the PS3 is the first console to start delivering larger games via download, with recent well-received games like Ratchet & Clank: Quest For Booty and Siren: Blood Curse snuggling into the gap between impulse buy downloads and full-priced retail games. The trickle of PSone classics, meanwhile, ensures there's a solid bedrock of the ubiquitous racers, platformers and shooters to be found. There may not be as many titles to scroll through, but the PS3 covers its bases well.

Advantage: Xbox 360 and Wii

Sony's relatively slow start in the realm of downloadable gaming means that it's not even close to offering the same bulk, but that may not be a bad thing. The early titles were a mixed bunch, with fairly generic games like Snakeball, Feel Ski and High Velocity Bowling all suggesting a console trying to find its virtual voice. Fast forward to now, and titles like Super Stardust, LocoRoco, echochrome and the PixelJunk series feel much more cohesive and suggest Sony is staking its claim as the home of stylish casual gaming. It's also notable that the PS3 is the first console to start delivering larger games via download, with recent well-received games like Ratchet & Clank: Quest For Booty and Siren: Blood Curse snuggling into the gap between impulse buy downloads and full-priced retail games. The trickle of PSone classics, meanwhile, ensures there's a solid bedrock of the ubiquitous racers, platformers and shooters to be found. There may not be as many titles to scroll through, but the PS3 covers its bases well.

Price and value

The PS3 has the clear lead here. Not only because its prices are the lowest, on average, but because they're spelled out in actual local currency rather than hiding the cost behind the velvety curtain of a pre-paid points system. Pricing PSone games at just GBP 3.49 (or EUR 4.30), and making them cross-compatible with both PS3 and PSP, is one of Sony's most commendable decisions - particularly when compared to Nintendo and Microsoft's prices for retro emulations. Sony has a broader spread of prices - one of the advantages of dealing in real money - but this also reflects the move into offering more substantial titles and episodic games. Original new games generally come in around the GBP 4.99 - 6.99 (EUR 6.18 - 8.66) while their mid-range games are usually about half the price of a full retail game.

The one thing you could always say about Microsoft's pricing was that it was steady and reliable. Points are purchased in fixed amounts, with 100 Points equalling roughly 85p in British money, or EUR 1.20. Traditionally, there were just two price points for Live Arcade games - 400 points and 800 points. Things aren't so certain anymore though, with Penny Arcade bumping the price up to 1600 Points, and Puzzle Quest, Braid and Castle Crashers all commanding a premium 1200-Point cost. The latter three games fully justify their price - and it'd be a churlish fool who'd demand independent developers cut their margins just to satiate our modern tendency to demand more for less - but the knock-on effect is noticeable. The 400-Point price tag has all but vanished from the Game Store, with only four games so far this year using the lowest available price tag. There are, of course, occasional promotions when prices are lowered for a selection of titles, but this is too infrequent and random for it to have any real impact on the overall Live Arcade price picture.

'XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console' Screenshot braid

Nintendo really suffer in this area, with a rigid price structure for the Virtual Console that bases the value of titles on the platform they appeared on. 100 Nintendo Points have a value of roughly 70p, or EUR 1.00. The cheapest games, released on the NES, SEGA Master System or Commodore 64, cost 500 Points. At the opposite end of the scale, Nintendo 64 games cost 1000 Points and Neo Geo games are apparently worth 900 Points. The problem with this system is clear - for no logical reason, a terrible N64 game will cost twice as much as, say, The Legend of Zelda, simply because of the platform it came out on.

And then there's Nintendo's shocking habit of bumping prices up by 100 Points for their Hanabi Festivals, which make previously unreleased Japanese and US games available for the first time in Europe. We know these are just emulated ROMs, we know the files themselves are not "rare" in any measurable way, and yet we're still expected to pay over the odds. WiiWare seems to be falling into a similar trap, with too many games automatically lunging for the 1000-Point price bracket even when their content doesn't warrant such an investment (Pokémon Ranch, we're looking at you). The best games on the Wii Shop are worth the money, but there's no escaping the feeling that prices on the whole are generally too high and poorly applied.

Advantage: PS3

Ease of use

'XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console' Screenshot psn

Another area where Sony is making valuable strides is in the accessibility of its online store. Available via the PS3 or via the internet, it offers a shopping experience like any other online retailer, complete with shopping basket, order confirmation and checkout. Despite a redesign in April the thumbnails can still be a bit slow to load, and more ways to search and order the items would be most welcome, but on the whole the PSN shopping experience is an extremely pleasant one. The only glaring omission is the option to download a demo of all new games. At present, only certain games offer a demo, but there's no insistence from Sony that developers offer this.

Of course, mandatory trial versions are just one of the stipulations handed down by Lord Microsoft for XBLA games, but apart from that important distinction the Xbox 360 Game Store boasts broadly similar features to Sony's. Although, having been around a bit longer, it's long overdue for its upcoming dashboard makeover. Those swishing tabs are getting a bit sluggish with all the info they now carry, making navigation a chore. You won't struggle if you're just looking for the latest releases, but any new owners trying to pick their way through that big pile of titles isn't going to have much fun browsing the outdated system. But it's being replaced, sooner rather than later, so it's silly to grumble about it here.

Finally, Nintendo - and another area where the Wii desperately needs to smarten up its ideas. The Wii Shop Channel is an awkward and counter-intuitive tangle of slow-loading menus, lists within menus, shops within shops. The lack of demos is a recurring complaint, and one that needs to be addressed. Clearly this would be easier for WiiWare than the Virtual Console, but even there some sort of time limited trial version of a ROM could surely be arranged. The problem is compounded by the rather poor descriptions. A small video of the game in action, or just a gallery of screenshots, would go a long way to help potential customers get a feel for what they're actually buying.

Unfortunately, the Wii Shop's problems don't end there. With no background downloading and no way of queuing multiple downloads, buying more than one game is a time-consuming exercise in frustration. Not only do you have to sit there and watch Mario do his little "biddy-bee-deep" coin collecting while a file downloads, afterwards you're dumped back to the safety warning screen and forced to navigate all the way back into the store to find the next game you wanted. Maybe it just bothers me because I have to do this every week, for every new release, but it's still an ugly and archaic system.

Advantage: Xbox 360 and PS3

Quality

And here's the tricky part. Who has the best games? There's no realistic way of grading such an impossibly wide array of games, drawn from twenty-plus years and countless previous formats as well as brand new titles, but in the interests of science and hundreds of angry comments, I'm going to give it a shot.

Let's start with Nintendo, since it's taken a beating in the last few rounds. The Japanese company is at a clear advantage with the Virtual Console, since it puts a vast swathe of gaming history within its grasp. As has been mentioned several times already, Nintendo hasn't been a particularly thoughtful custodian of this legacy, with some unfortunate PAL problems and apparently little effort to sort the wheat from the chaff. Even so, any downloadable games service that can boast multiple Zeldas, Metroids and Marios is never going to struggle when it comes to quality.

'XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console' Screenshot metroid

Some of the greatest games of all time reside on the Virtual Console, and while the petty-minded may bleat about having to pay three quid for a Commodore game when they can download the ROM for free online, the ability to have so many classic games in one place, available for armchair play, is worth the slightly steep prices. WiiWare doesn't have that advantage, of course, and while the early releases boasted some absolute gems, there's a distinct feeling that the shovelware is starting to creep in. Here's hoping that we see more games like My Life As A King and LostWinds, and less like SPOGS Racing.

Sony, it seems, is still on the fence here. The PlayStation Store hasn't yet found its killer app; the must-have game that drives every PS3 owner to dust off their credit card. Super Stardust HD certainly comes close, but given that it's so often talked about in relation to Geometry Wars something uniquely Sony is clearly required. On the other hand, the PlayStation Store distinguishes itself by not having any truly horrible games either. The early line-up wasn't hugely impressive, but there was nothing as crass as Shrek N' Roll, or as craven as Pokémon Ranch. Things have improved considerably since, with most new titles earning solid 7s and 8s, so it seems that Sony is doing something right. I do hope it continues to exercise control over the PSone games that get added to the "Classics" folder though. The first-party additions have been hard to fault - anyone who doesn't love Crash Team Racing deserves to be drowned in wee - but recent uploads from the likes of EA and Ubisoft have certainly lowered the tone. More genuine classics like G-Police, please, and less tripe like Street Skater.

'XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console' Screenshot gpolice

However, for all the crap that has been pumped out under its auspices, it's arguably Xbox Live Arcade that is host to the widest selection of truly great downloadable games. Admittedly, Microsoft is on a roll at the moment following the staggering run of Geometry Wars 2, Braid, Bionic Commando Rearmed, Galaga Legions and Castle Crashers, but don't think we've forgotten the dark days when a half-hearted port of Time Pilot or Joust was all we had to look forward to. A return to that ethos would be a grim mistake but, even with that cavalier approach to quality control, when you look through the list the gems outshine the lumps of coal. Any service that can offer faithful versions of Prince of Persia, Doom and Bomberman alongside the best of the current indie games scene is in an incredibly strong position. Don't mess it up, Mr Microsoft.

Advantage: Xbox 360

Conclusion

So what have we learned? More importantly, who won? Well, I would argue that the 360 currently has the advantage in four of the areas discussed, with the PS3 edging it out in terms of the overall shopping experience, as well as having a much better quality-to-crap ratio. The Wii Shop, on the other hand, is over-priced and horrible to navigate, but does let you buy The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros 3 and Metroid for just over a tenner.

One thing is for certain - there are stinking great piles of money to be made from downloadable games, and there's no way that any of the Big Three console companies are going to stop trying to find ways to make their pile the biggest.

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About Dan Whitehead

Dan has been writing for Eurogamer since 2006 and specialises in RPGs, shooters and games for children. His bestest game ever is Julian Gollop's Chaos.

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  • GamesProgrammer Verified Games Team Programmer, Eutechnyx Ltd. #1 3 years ago

    Id agree that PS3 definatley has the best quality to crap ratio by a mile.

    Thought you might of also mentioned sony are the first and still only to offer box product level games on there service.
    Edited by 2 at 07/10/08 @ 11:45

  • windflaw #2 3 years ago

    Apples vs. Oranges vs. Bananas!

  • thegamesthething #3 3 years ago

    Oranges. Obviously.

  • rumrum4444 #4 3 years ago



    XBLA = gold

    Virtual console = silver


    PSN = plastic


    .

  • Widge #5 3 years ago

    I'm going apples. I don't like mushy banana bits and oranges are full of stringy gak.

  • mcbi4kh2 #6 3 years ago

    How can you comment ont the quality of PSN without mentioning Warhawk or Wipeout!? Shit article.

  • Prodigy_BE #7 3 years ago

    What a pile of cr*p

    Nintendo makes me pay for games I already bought in the past, and played an finished in the past.

    360 has amazing stuff, but also lots of horrible stuff.
    Sony has less on offer, but the quality is good. And you've got really big games on there (Warhawk, Quest for Booty, Burnout Paradise). As a gamer, you should own a 360 and a PS3, and you should pick the best of both to fill your gaming days.

    This VS stuff is just fanboy ammo. Racism within the console world...

  • thegamesthething #8 3 years ago

    Typical ADF response, cant see past the usual pro-apple bias on here.

  • Widge #9 3 years ago

    a PLEA to ignore rumrum... if you check his posting history, you'll see he's a bit of a tube.

  • Vanmunt #10 3 years ago

    Sony, it seems, is still on the fence here. The PlayStation Store hasn't yet found its killer app; the must-have game that drives every PS3 owner to dust off their credit card.

    ha ha ha... umm Wipeout?

    Shit article.

  • DFawkes #11 3 years ago

    I've used all 3, and they're all good. I'd probably agree that XBLA just edges the others out - I enjoy browsing the store more, and have quite a few really good games on it. Or I should say had, since I traded it in. The good thing is when I eventually get another I can just sign-in and redownload no problems.

  • dpb135 #12 3 years ago

    I think wipeout is a killer app for PSN, whoever doesnt shouldn't play games !!!

    But on the whole the 360 does have the better downloadable games ............. for now but as sony allow any size for PSN games i think they will start producing some amazing stuff in the future !!

  • mcbi4kh2 #13 3 years ago

    Sony, it seems, is still on the fence here. The PlayStation Store hasn't yet found its killer app; the must-have game that drives every PS3 owner to dust off their credit card.

    Warhawk. Shit article.
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 11:56

  • captainrentboy #14 3 years ago

    As I've only got a 360 at the moment, I can only comment on its Marketplace.
    The imminent new facelift has come at just the right time, I was getting kind of sick of trawling through the (now rather bland looking) different menus and sub-menus, not just for the Arcade titles but for the demos, themes, whatever.
    I can't argue that quality wise it's really finding its feet now, it still gets the odd mega turd, but it certainly has its fair share of classics.
    And the pricing is occasionally waaaay off, charging 800pts for a game that is renowned for being shite is just wrong.

  • Widge #15 3 years ago

    I'm well biased obviously, but having stuff like Wipeout, Siren, Burnout, GT5p and Warhawk as part of your download catalogue is a pretty massive plus. Out of all the downloadable titles you can get, this is real high quality stuff production wise.

    Intriguing to hear Bomberman and Bionic Commando name dropped as keystone titles as they are cross platform? Or have I got that wrong...

    Be interesting to see what the future holds because there are some great titles to come, more Pixeljunk stuff, Fat Princess, GTI Club, Savage Moon. What needs addressing is as mentioned, the bizarre PSone catalogue. Every now and again, something pretty crappy is dropped onto us. I'd rather have Xenogears than Kula World please.

  • rumrum4444 #16 3 years ago




    a PLEA to ignore Widge... if you check his posting history, you'll see he's a bit of a tube.


    .

  • Monkey_Puncher #17 3 years ago

    PSN and XBLA both have their good points, Virtual Console could be great but the pricing puts me off and I don't see anything on Wiiware that's worth getting excited about right now.

  • groovychainsaw #18 3 years ago

    I'd agree with tis - xbla just edges it - early on it was poor, but microsoft have really got their act together. Shame the pricing is a bit steep, I agree that sony have got that right - i couldn't believe it when i found the psone games on there for £3.49 each! puts most of the other console's downloadable titles to shame...
    Sony have really focussed on quality, but i think that disappointing feeling every thursday is harming that a bit... there's nothing worth going into the shop for!
    I don't have a wii although I already own all the classic nintendo games so sound like it would be largely redundant for me.

  • DanWhitehead #19 3 years ago

    I should point out that this feature was written before Wipeout HD came along, and I'd now say that it provides the "must have" title the PlayStation Store needed.

  • nickthegun #20 3 years ago

    I think Wipeout HD is worth a mention.

    And the fact that Sony seem to be testing the 'full game' water by offering Burnout Paradise for 24 quid.

  • RedPanda #21 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • the_dudefather #22 3 years ago

    surprised Sony doesn't release more Ps1 games, like they have on the Japanese and US store

    guess there must be licensing problems or something

  • Widge #23 3 years ago

    Ooh, is that a patch?

  • jonsaan #24 3 years ago

    Was this written before Wipeout came out? No mention of Warhawk, Tekken DR, Everyday Shooter,Flow or Eden either. Utterly bizarre. Also Bionic Commando is on PSN too. Seeing as you mentioned it as one of the 360s must haves.



    Edited by 2 at 07/10/08 @ 12:08

  • consignia #25 3 years ago

    It's all the more embarrasing for Sony, since the Japanese PSN store has tons of PS1 games on it. Could gotten Sony a few more brownie points here. However, I agree apart from the interface and pricing, XBLA is clearly the best.

  • Widge #26 3 years ago

    Its a shame, we won't ever see any classic PSone games that never made it to the UK from overseas via the store. Not unless region coding is abandoned and we can grab them for the US. Can't see anyone working on localisation on titles that old. Still no excuse for no FF7 etc from Square though! If they shove out Ergheiz instead I'll cry.

  • mcbi4kh2 #27 3 years ago

    @DanWhitehead

    Just a suggestion, but pointing that out might have been best done in the article? Was released over 2 weeks ago.

  • ruckus #28 3 years ago

    We know the answer now, of course, but it's interesting to note just how quickly this once-fanciful notion has become the accepted norm

    Oh no it hasn't...

  • penhalion #29 3 years ago

    360 closely followed by PS3 at the moment. Apart from lost wind, the Wii is a bit crap at everything. Instead of Wii60 it really should have been PS360 as the console duo to own.

    As I own all three I can honestly say the Wii is now a dust ball awaiting the next mario or zelda game. Whenever I go to the shops to buy a game I rarely if ever even look at the Wii version of anything.

  • consignia #30 3 years ago

    If they shove out Ergheiz instead I'll cry.

    Widge May Cry. It has been released at least on Japanese PSN. I don't know who that'll effect other areas. But it may be indicitive.

  • BiscuitBase #31 3 years ago

    If you ask me, the clear winner here is the consumer

  • Widge #32 3 years ago

    I've never played anything so disappointing in my life. Probably up there with Sword Of Mana on the GBA and KOTOR on Xbox in my "most disappointing games ever" list.

  • muscleblade #33 3 years ago

    "As a gamer, you should own a 360 and a PS3, and you should pick the best of both to fill your gaming days"

    Ive tried that but honestly didnt find the time. Damn there are still many 360 games and xbla games i want to play but never will. Its better to consentrate on the platform you prefer imo.

    I chose to have two 360s instead, one for each TV so that i can play games whenever i have the time.

  • Darren #34 3 years ago

    W-w-w-what?!? WipEout HD isn't a killer app for the PS3's PS Store? :?

    It is in my book... :)

  • 3william56 #35 3 years ago

    Yeah, sorry Dan but you've lemoned yourself proper there. It's not as if WOHD was a surprise, or the fact that it was going to be essential - these hallowed pages said so themselves months ago.

    Other articles get an edit for a typo. I think this one needs a serious rework. Or I can summarise:

    Sony: too few games overall, though much less crap, and a solid stock of brilliance, and cheap into the bargain. Demos optional. Getting better fast, and the library of PS1 needs to be exloited NOW.
    Xbox: A set of great games drowning in a sea of sh*t. Aging/solid interface about to be improved. Costly. Hamstrung by download limits and lack of standard HDD. Standard demos. On a roll, perhaps complacent.
    Ninty: Trading on past glories. Shit interface. Shit value. Whoo - SD card storage sometime in De Foutyore. Must try harder.

    Result: tie betweeen PSN and XBLA. PSN must contunue it's improved form. XBLA mustn't rest on it's laurels. Ninty needs a kick in the man sacks.

  • rhubarbandcustard #36 3 years ago

    Dan Whitehead:
    As this is a website why did you not re-write a two week old article before uploading it?

    Magazines have editorial deadlines. Here's a free tip. You don't.

    Honestly Eurogamer, if the guy is this lazy then replace him with a Pole. They'll work twice as hard for half the money.

    P.S.
    Best gaming dlc choice for your money? Itunes AppStore. Amazing value

  • Killdare #37 3 years ago

    Another person here surprised at the omission of WipEout HD. I'm addicted to gaming all over again and there's not a night elf in sight.

  • metalnut #38 3 years ago

    Well, if we're going to get bitchy about what they didn't mention, I'll toss in a few things that made my XBLA experience fantastic (besides GW2 and Braid):

    Pac Man CE
    N+
    Mutant Storm Empire
    Ikaruga
    Rez HD
    Zuma

    I've played the headline games on a friends PS3 and there's some good ones there too, but I still think 360 has the edge. Super Stardust and Everyday Shooter are good games, but in the shooter space I still prefer GW2, Ikaruga and Rez personally. Warhawk isn't my cup of tea though, I don't play a lot of online multiplayer games (too old and not enough time to practice). Wipeout looks great though. All depends on what you like I guess, although in my experience 360 owners tend to own more XBLA games than PS3 owners own PSN games, so maybe that's an indication of the relative success so far.

  • Darren #39 3 years ago

    Why no mention of the lack of storage space for Wii downloaded games... or the mess up that Sony had with early PSone games like Medievil and Spyro 2... causing them to withdraw them and the latter has still not reappeared, much to my disappointment.

    A nice article though... to my mind the PS3 offers the best service with a nicer selection of top quality games that actually feel like "proper" games, perhaps thanks to the larger file sizes allowed, something that clearly affects the 360 and Wii more. The Wii is the most disappointing for me, mainly because I feel many of the games are overpriced but also because the lack of storage space has put me off downloading them... I really cannot be bothered with copying stuff too and fro from the Wii's internal memory to an SD card and back everytime I want to play a game.

    P.S. Will someone sort out the size of the damn "Edited by" text!!! Does it really have to be in bold and twice the size of the normal text?!? Sheeeesh!
    Edited by 2 at 07/10/08 @ 12:27

  • Arwin #40 3 years ago

    I agree with most posters here that right now, the PS3 is ahead. 360 not too far behind, but definitely behind. Wipeout HD, Burnout Paradise, Warhawk, Quest for Booty, Siren, Gran Turismo, and then there's the host of great smaller yet (often) original games (Fl0w, LocoRoco, Super Rub-a-Dub, Velocity Bowl, Parachute thingy, Tekken 5, better EyeToy games, etc. - a vast range of quality and originalstuff), these days it also gets the multi-platform stuff (yes, including Bionic Command c.s.) and add typically much better value for money and being able to view prices in real currency. In fact, most podcasts and websites recently site PSN as an absolute standout feature of the PS3, like in the 1up yours podcast even this weekend, and fairly unanimously so too even when they are generally more pro-360.

  • Triggerhappytel #41 3 years ago

    @ DanWhitehead

    Fair enough; this article was clearly written some weeks back, but it should have been updated to consider Wipeout HD. Just a few lines, a mention of it and removing the comment that PSN is lacking that killer app would have covered it.

    For those commenting, I think perhaps the likes of GT5P, Burnout Paradise and Warhawk were not considered was because they are not available solely on PSN. Whilst I don't necessarily agree, I can see why the writer may have taken this point-of-view.

    Also, I find it beguiling why Sony hasn't added more of its PS1 classics to PSN - stuff like Rollcage, Colony Wars, Alundra and G-Police would go down an absolute treat. Further, there is a host of classic Psygnosis games which need bringing back (Barbarian 2, Shadow of the Beast, Discworld), which is just puzzling as to why they haven't yet. There must be very few licencing issues in the way.

  • Xerx3s #42 3 years ago

    It's a bit odd that the article doesn't mention how XBLa will soon allow users/indi developers to post their games. Surely such an awesome feature is worth mentioning? Sure, 99% will be complete shit but there is bound to be a pc indi dev that makes an awesome game for it.

  • PearOfAnguish #43 3 years ago

    Oooh Angry Internet Men are out in force for this. How dare you suggest that console x has a superior selection of tired re-releases than console y. RAARGHH!

  • DanWhitehead #44 3 years ago

    Also, I find it beguiling why Sony hasn't added more of its PS1 classics to PSN - stuff like Rollcage, Colony Wars, Alundra and G-Police would go down an absolute treat.

    G-Police has been on PSN for quite some time. Rollcage, however, needs to be on there ASAP.

  • Darren #45 3 years ago

    I'm sure that G-Police is available to download from the PSN... and possibly Colony Wars too, although I may be mistaken...

    And I, for one, would not like to see ports of games like Shadow of the Beast on the PS3 despite the fact I bought it for the Amiga as it was a very pretty looking, technically impressive (for its time) but ultimately horrible game totally lacking in any real excitement or gameplay. The music was nice though.

  • Vic #46 3 years ago

    "PSN doesnt have its defining game".

    Dunno when this article was sritten, but its incredible there is no mention of Wipeout HD which is one of the best racing games this generation, and only costs £12. Then you have GT Prologue and Warhawk too. All 8/10+ quality games.

  • DanWhitehead #47 3 years ago

    I'm pretty sure Shadow of the Beast, or one of its sequels, was also impossible to actually complete without using a cheat code. I watched the animated intro disc more than I played the game, I know that much.

  • metalnut #48 3 years ago

    @Arwin: You're seriously putting up Super Rub-a-Dub and the EyeToy games as pro arguments for the PSN? Hmm. fl0w was an pretty demo looking for a game IMO - nice idea, but not something I'd personally pay money for. I haven't played it but Quest For Booty got pretty mediocre reviews. If we start pulling those kinds of examples in, XBLA has a ton of mediocre stuff out there ;)

  • Xerx3s #49 3 years ago

    Lol @ people posting a list thinking that that automatically makes it the best. Why don't you make a counter list as well?

  • retr0gamer #50 3 years ago

    I want a far better selection of PSone games on the PS Store. The japanese have Einhander and R-type Delta why not Europe?

  • myk #51 3 years ago

    I've downloaded more from the PSN than the other two despite getting the PS3 later. Super Stardust, Pixeljunk Eden and Locoroco Cocoreccho are fantastic (and look great in HD) and the HDD size of the PS3 means I don't have to worry about 1.5GB demos. Rez and Braid are the two games I've downloaded from XBL, and apart from a messy interface and slightly high cost I can't have any complaints. The Wii is the most disappointing, the cost is too high, converting star points to wii points is a joke (unless you enjoy getting 100 points cards each day before the old points you have expire), most games on there are rubbish and the ones that are good I've likely already got a pristine SNES cartridge of - and the few games that I would like to play that didn't get released here (like Earthbound) still haven't been released.

  • Darren #52 3 years ago

    Just noticed that despite WipEout HD receiving absolutely no mention in this article, a screenshot appears inbetween ones from Xbox 360 and Wii games on the main page to promote the article!!! LOL

  • IronGiant #53 3 years ago

    PSN by a mile. Wipeout, Burnout, Siren, GT5P, Pixeljunk Eden, Pixeljunk Monsters, Stardust, Warhawk, Pain, Ratchet and Clank, FLOW, Tekken Online.. nuff said.

  • Xerx3s #54 3 years ago

    "Super Stardust, Pixeljunk Eden and Locoroco Cocoreccho are fantastic (and look great in HD)"

    Played SS and PJ. PJ was oke but nothing special (a solid 8 I'd say) but SS is just a poor mans GW. It's by far not as fun.

  • Vic #55 3 years ago

    @ farticusmaximus

    You are an retard.

    @ Xerxes

    Maybe some people arent making a counter-list because they think there isnt a selection on other consoles that matches their favourite? I would have to agree with that to some extent.
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 12:50

  • Retroid #56 3 years ago

    PSN: 'Big' stuff which I can only commend; I do wish MS would take a leaf out of that book. Otherwise the PSN games are largely weak and the lack of demos for some games is silly. Been really enjoying Wipeout lately though :)

    XBLA: Some of my favourite niche releases of this generation. Some *EXCELLENT* stuff there which would've crashed and burnt at retail. An awful lot of shite too, but that's par for the course.

    Wii: Best retro releases. Apart from NoE hating europeans allover again by forcing 50hz releases of a lot of games. WiiWare is shaping up well, but rubbish storage.

  • Chufty #57 3 years ago

    Er it really was quite a glaring oversight posting the article 2 weeks after Wipeout HD without a quick edit. Plus, there's a massive list of equally top drawer games that, considering the head-start XBLA had, is really impressive.

    It's true though it needs much more of the unmissable PS1 games. Maybe they're refraining from including PS1 versions of a certain epic JRPG for a good reason, however.

  • GlassMoon #58 3 years ago

    Seriously how was WipEout not mentioned in the article!!!

  • Xerx3s #59 3 years ago

    "PSN by a mile. Wipeout, Burnout, Siren, GT5P, Pixeljunk Eden, Pixeljunk Monsters, Stardust, Warhawk, Pain, Ratchet and Clank, FLOW, Tekken Online.. nuff said."

    Oh ffs. Iyo. <a href='http:/ /xboxlive.ign.com/index/reviews.html?constraint.top.article. overall_rating=8&constraint.return_all=is_true&sort.attribut e=article.overall_rating&sort.order=desc'>my penis is bigger and more beefed</a>. Can we drop the whole lists complex?

  • Darren #60 3 years ago

    @farticusmaximus - Yeah, exactly like the article then! ;)

    Everyone will have their own opinion about which service is the best and they don't have to agree with EG as there is no "right" or "wrong" opinion (obviously).

  • GrandTheftApu #61 3 years ago

    THE LAST GUY

  • jonsaan #62 3 years ago

    EG BIG CHEESE: Dan. I want you to create an article that creates even more flames than the 360 vs PS3 faceoffs. Do you think you can do that?

  • Vic #63 3 years ago

    @ farticusmaximus

    Yeah but here you are criticizing people for offering their opinion, yet you incessantly spout the virtues of the 360 everytime you come on here.

    You and Calgon arent the same person are you? The similarities are striking.

  • morriss #64 3 years ago

    There's no Advantage: under the Variety chapter.

  • InsoFox #65 3 years ago

    Pretty amusing that some people want the article rewritten on the back of one game. Look, they're both good services, but just like you can't argue with a great release like Wipeout, you can't argue with Braid, Geometry wars 2, Castle Crashers, and a number of others for the 360 which are all killer apps in their own right.

  • GordonCaladan #66 3 years ago

    I'll just sit down here and warm myself by the fire.

  • betahoven #67 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 09:36:16 17-12-2011

  • smoison #68 3 years ago

    PSN is definitely the best priced,

    Nintendo are just price gauging and its keeping my Wii's storage empty.

  • MisterFahrenheit #69 3 years ago

    anyone who doesn't love Crash Team Racing deserves to be drowned in wee

    Locke Lamora didn't love Crash Team Racing?

  • HolyJebus #70 3 years ago

    Jesus, ye like to complain.

  • #71 3 years ago

    "Well, I would argue that the 360 currently has the advantage in four of the areas discussed, with the PS3 edging it out in terms of the overall shopping experience, as well as having a much better quality-to-crap ratio"


    - that line dose not make any sense to me.

  • drumbaby #72 3 years ago

    "with the PS3 edging it out in terms of the overall shopping experience, as well as having a much better quality-to-crap ratio. "

    Which is why the Xbox 360 won the quality category?

    Great article as usual, Eurogamer.

    ;)

  • dahsif #73 3 years ago

    You criticize some platform holders for not making regular updates to their online offerings and yet fail to update this article to include the now unavoidable new entries such as WipeOut HD , Burnout etc..

    Surely an article must be easier to update than online shop.
    Good article nonethelesee, thank you.

  • ScarOnTheSky #74 3 years ago

    What's the name of the game shown in the last picture of the article?

  • Vic #75 3 years ago

    @ farticusmaximus

    Fair enough. I have no problem with people saying that 360 is better than PS3 or vice versa, I would just prefer it if people were less inflammatory and didnt come across as all high-and-mighty about it like Calgon.

    State your preference, say why, and dont be a dick about it. To be fair you have been very reasonable so I take my hat off.

  • bad09 #76 3 years ago

    For pricing structure alone PSN wins hands down there is some amazing value on there, Wipout £12? Siren £20? PS1 £3.49!, PSP £15 etc etc.

    Live TBH while great at first and still gives me titles to get excited about now every couple of months or so, it gone down in my book, there is so much rubbish released on Live! (and the price seems to be going up for games lately!!!)

    As for VC I can't say I used it when I had a Wii so have no experience, but I do think the pricing is a little too high there.

  • Zomoniac #77 3 years ago

    Traditionally, there were just two price points for Live Arcade games - 400 points and 800 points.

    No there weren't. Bankshot Billiards 2 was available from launch for 1,200 points. It's since been reduced to 800, but there were three prices from day 1. Then Lumines came and fucked everything up.


    On the other hand, the PlayStation Store distinguishes itself by not having any truly horrible games either.

    Q*Bert? Super Rub A Dub?

  • Zappa #78 3 years ago

    How can they forget Warhawk?

    maybe because it craps on 360 regular games:)

  • wewillselfdestruct #79 3 years ago

    Since I don't have a 360 or Wii, I can't really comment on their downloadable services, although I know that I'm very happy with the PSN store. Sure I suppose it would be nice to have more games, but on the other hand I've only scratched the surface of many of the games I've downloaded. But this article seems a little odd. Claiming that Sony are sitting awkwardly in the middle by releasing on Thursdays makes little sense. I get why Friday would be a good day to release, but what's so great about Wednesday? It's the sort of bizarre and unsubstantiated claim that I'd normally associate with Fox News.

    And to say that this article was written before Wipeout was released is no excuse. This is an article that was posted on a website, not in a magazine. You should have been asked to update it before it was posted. What's the point of a comparison that's out of date when it's published? Wipeout even made the banner pic for this story on the homepage. And for £12 you're getting a game that others would have unashamedly released on blu-ray for three or four times that. To my mind, given that this article is about the current state of downloadable console gaming, this must be one of the most important releases so far on any console.

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #80 3 years ago

    Hello, sorry, there was a paragraph missing from the Variety section. We did it to encourage you to use your imagination.

  • kinky_mong #81 3 years ago

    I'm the only person who thought Lostwinds (the supposed killer app for Wiiware) was boooooooooooooooooring? Sure it looked good for a downloaded Wii game, but the supposedly inspired game mechanic of using wind to move around isn't really a million miles from bits of Okami, and that did it much better. Plus it was extremely short and I felt ripped off even though technically I didn't pay anything for it (exchanged all the Star points I'd been hoarding for years for Wii points).

    I've downloaded Mario RPG as well but can't really get into it. Really regretting not downloading Super Metroid and Mario 64 instead.

    But on the other hand I find XBLA to be pure quality. Rez HD, Geometry Wars 2, Braid and Castle Crashers have all been brilliant and I really don't have any issue with the stores interface in its present form because I know what I'm after when I go on there, but the new update can only make it smoother.

    I've no personal experience of PSN but my old housemate didn't take too kindly to the fact that they charged him for Super Stardust and it didn't download properly. He can't even retry because the store tells him he already has it.

  • Doctor_What #82 3 years ago

    Vic and Farticus sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G ;) Seriously though, it's nice to see people resolving conflicts nicely on here. It does seem to be a rather flammable website at times.

    Anyway, screw everything else, Linger In Shadows on PSN has really piqued my interest and is coming out this week. Interactive artwork downloadable to my living room TV? Sounds good to me!

    As for the article, yep, it very nicely proves its own point from the start where Dan said 'this article won't be able to cover everything' (paraphrasing). Personally I think that PSN edges it, but that's just because I enjoy artsy stuff, many other people will prefer the more gamey focus of XBLA and that's fine by me. There's something for everyone.

  • morriss #83 3 years ago

    Cheers, Bertie. Thought there was something amiss! :)

  • michaelius #84 3 years ago

    Erm how is Bionic Commando Reamed which can be bough on PC and PSN supposed to be X-box advantage ?
    And why is there no mention of Wipeout as ultimate PSN game ? Becouse that's exactly what article writer was looking for - real killer app that every console owner need to play.

  • morriss #85 3 years ago

    Good article though.
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 13:39

  • Zebula77 #86 3 years ago

    I only care which console has WipEout HD. Best downloadable game ever. :)

  • Phily50 #87 3 years ago

    @mem

    Have you a source for this excellent news about those PS1 games being released?

  • bad09 #88 3 years ago

    "I only care which console has WipEout HD. Best downloadable game ever. :) "

    I can't wait to try WipEout HD (and Burnout P)

    / looks at calender and rubs his hands eagerly for pay day - got a lot to buy off PSN and Live next week!

  • Vic #89 3 years ago

    Thanks for that Doctor_what :)

  • Kryon #90 3 years ago

    OMGZ! Dis websitez iz propa cack innit blud! Dat geeza didn't evan menchon liek teh wypout HDz innit. LULZ!

  • GamerG #91 3 years ago

    I'm not going to review the comments, I already know its full of whining SDF screaming at how bias EG is without ever having played with XBLA

  • spookyzombie #92 3 years ago

    Why would you pay £24.99 to download Burnout Paradise when you can buy the disc version for £19.99 (new) in Gamestation?

  • Kryon #93 3 years ago

    @spookyzombie

    Because most of the SDF in here are pretty much like <a href=http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=2fGJowpbxEY>Chad Warden</a> and aren't that smart.

  • RedSparrows #94 3 years ago

    I'd suggest that games like Burnout and Warhawk are rather moot points, given that they are disc releases but online. Surely it'd be better to simply state games that are online ONLY on that particular console.

  • spudsbuckley #95 3 years ago

    Um, i own all three consoles and it's a bit obvious that the PSN is the best.

    XBLA = A handful of full Xbox games (good) and a bunch of what amount to fancy looking Flash games and retro stuff (meh) and a great selection of up to date demos (good)

    PSN = Quite a few full PS1 and PSP games (good), fancy looking flash games and retro stuff again (meh), a reasonable selection of demos (good) and a number of high quality full PS3 games (fantastic)

    Wii = Retro stuff (a mix of meh and alright) and Wiiware (not so great)

  • Widge #96 3 years ago

    @Dan

    Shadow of the Beast 1 & 2 were near impossible. Puzzles that require ESP, instadeath situations or situations that break the game so you have to restart. I used to use the infinite life code on #2. I've seen someone go through it on longplay though, dedication!

    Shadow Of The Beast 3 was amazing though. Good puzzles, not ridiculously difficult.

  • Vic #97 3 years ago

    @ Kryon

    Isnt it funny that you feel the need to respond to the 'SDF' in every single thread?

    Given up the facade of owning a PS3 already..?

  • Kryon #98 3 years ago

    Vic

    Not every PS3 owner is an SDF imbecile. There are plenty of people on this site who know I have a PS3 because I'm on their PSN friends lists. Just because you're a single console owning fanboy zealot, doesn't mean we all are.

  • #99 3 years ago

    Go on Kyron get your handbag out!!!!!

  • Vic #100 3 years ago

    'single console owning fanboy zealot'

    So owning a single console is a crime now?

    You'd have to blind not to notice that there at least as many 360 fanboys on Eurogamer, as there are PS3 fanboys, yet I have NEVER seen you slate a 360 fanboy.

    Dont want to upset your buddies eh? :D

  • septimus #101 3 years ago

    What the hell? You'd think WipeOut HD would be PS3's defining game.

    WiiWare blows. Live has some very good games, but is as disjointed as PSN. Give it a year and PSN/Live will be equal in most respects.

  • muscleblade #102 3 years ago

    @djronz

    You bought the wrong console then eh. I have enough money for every new console though - thats one of the reasons i dont have the time i guess.

  • Kryon #103 3 years ago

    "So owning a single console is a crime now? "

    Maybe not a crime as such... It's a bit 1985 though, don't you think?

  • muscleblade #104 3 years ago

    @Vic

    Why such an angry tone. So you didnt buy the best console - live with it.

  • Widge #105 3 years ago

    The console you own is the best console.

  • Kryon #106 3 years ago

    "The console you own is the best console. "

    True, but if you own all three it goes like this:

    1: 360

    2: PS3

    3: Wii

  • sopaman #107 3 years ago

    I'm guessing this was written before Wipeout HD came out...

  • Vic #108 3 years ago

    @ musclebalde

    Luckily I have a PC, so when any decent 360 exclusives are released, I'll be playing them in a nice high resolution with 4xAA on a machine that makes less noise than the 360, and is much less likely to overheat.

    Till then, I'll be playing Wipeout HD and MGS 4 (well until LBP, R2, Valkyria Chronicles and KZ2 are released).

  • hahayou #109 3 years ago

    Rob/Dan - That paragraph is now in twice, one on each side of the first page break.

    Angry fanboys resume below:

  • Kenshin001 #110 3 years ago

    PSN has Burnout Paradise, Warhawk and GT5P. How the writer can ignore those games is incomprehensible since games like these destroy everything else on the other consoles in terms of quality full games you can keep on your HDD and boot up any time between disc games.

    The absence of any mention of Wipeout HD also gets an automatic -5 points.

  • nbnz #111 3 years ago

    No Killer titles for PSN? Um, WipEout HD, Siren Blood Curse, Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty, Pixel Junk Eden & Monsters, Echochrome. And now full size releases like Burnout Paradise. And you mention Bionic Commando against XBL but not PSN?

  • Dizzy #112 3 years ago

    >Luckily I have a PC, so when any decent 360 exclusives are released,

    Only one to two years later. You into Retro gaming?

  • El-Dev #113 3 years ago

    Don't care about the rest of the article, but how the hell is thursday awkward and wednesday is not? or friday...or saturday...or sunday...or monday...or tuesday?



  • Razorus #114 3 years ago

    I've been spending like a right bastard on all three. And I don't know why. Nintendo seriously needs the option for trials or demos. The amount of times I've downloaded classic games thinking they were still good, and being thoroughly disappointed, sheesh! Golden Axe, I'm looking at you, you nasty piece of shit.
    I recently downloaded Earthworm Jim. It's surprisingly difficult and there's a retarded graphic glitch. I also downloaded Super Puzzle Fighter 2 HD on the PSN. There's no replay value, but I got over-excited.

  • #115 3 years ago

    El-Dev, I also spotted this. It was a stupid stupid thing to write.

  • andywilkie35 #116 3 years ago

    @stopit

    That housemate would be me! I've had a look but it says "Super Stardust HD Full Version Key" is 278kb, and "Super Stardust HD Solo Expansion Unlock Key" is also 278kb. Basically they gave me the expansion twice but charged me for the whole lot. And I've asked that they sort this out but they haven't helped me out at all yet....sigh...thanks for your help tho :)

  • Vic #117 3 years ago

    @Dizzy

    'Only one to two years later.'

    Yeah, luckily GOW and Halo arent too high up my most wanted list...

  • Blitz #118 3 years ago

    I dont know if its mentioned here, but it wasnt mentioned in the article and for me personnally its a big issue.


    PRICE:

    Regardless of how much the product cost, the fact that for both the wii and the 360 I can walk into a shop and buy a block of points is a very big + for me.

    I know Sony have a similar system *coming* but its not here in Ireland yet and thats a big issue for me seeing as I dont have a credit card.

    I also would say its a big issue among younger gamers.

  • kazumA82 #119 3 years ago

    What a joke. Does Eurogamer even have a PS3 at their offices?

  • JoeNut #120 3 years ago

    yet again eurogamer comes up with a biased article in favour of the 360.

    how do you win by CHARGING for the service?
    You didnt mention that ps3 has warhawk, wipeout HD and burnout paradise?

    who wrote this worthless article?

  • Widge #121 3 years ago

    Have a sift through this comment thread to see who wrote the article. I think its somewhere on the first page, where it says that this was written before Wipeout HD was available and it is indeed the PS3's killer network title.

  • Buztafen #122 3 years ago

    Playing through Braid at the mo in between bouts of Doom, Pixeljunk Monsters and Super Metroid....

    I'll take em all ta, the variety is big enough.

  • back2funk #123 3 years ago

    @DanWhitehead - If this was written 2 weeks ago, then why did you not update it to add the PSN titles such as Wipeout? I mean, you managed to update it to include the news about the 360 dashboard update and include a link to an article posted yesterday.

    Heres a thought, maybe you couldn't be arsed? Is that closer to the mark.

    Journalism of the shitest degree, Utter tosh.

    In other news, Germany appears to be winning the war. Britain is falling behind and looks as though they are on the back foot **Disclaimer, this was written in 1944**

  • Shakey_Jake33 #124 3 years ago

    Interestingly, WipEout is actually on the frontpage-artwork-banner-thingy for the article.

    Cutting Dan some slack for the obvious omission, Microsoft don't get enough crap for theit hideous points system, and Sony don't get enough credit for being straight with their prices.

  • MilkYMoO #125 3 years ago

    Damn insecure sony fanboys. Do you guys ever stop moaning and bitching?. I'm a multiplatform gamer and happy ps3 owner but you guys never shut up. Stop being so insecure and enjoy your ps3, its a fine system. I hope people like JoeNut dont have sleepless nights, worrying about whether they made the right choice buying a ps3.
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 15:48

  • Dizzy #126 3 years ago

    >Yeah, luckily GOW and Halo arent too high up my most wanted list...

    Nor is Castle Crashers, GW2 and Braid apparently (since this is XBLA we are talking about. Did you notice?)

  • ProfessorLesser #127 3 years ago

    Lads, I think you'll find that a Euro has been worth much more than 70p for quite a while now!

  • MasterNameless #128 3 years ago

    @andywilkie35 + kinky_mong

    I had that exact same problem! Didn't look for long enough to see Kinky_mong's post, so apologies if you've tried this already. Download the free demo for the game, then it should automatically be the full version. I had almost given up on it, as I decided to buy it straight off without trying the demo first... but it appears the full version requires the demo code to run.

    Hope that helps.

  • Kryon #129 3 years ago

    OMFGZ! HAS ANYONE MENTIONED WIPEOUT HD AND THE 360 BIAS OF EG YET?

  • sneetch #130 3 years ago

    @farticusmaximus
    "Platform X by a mile. Personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion and personal opinion. Nuff said."

    Complete crap! Platform Y completely! Let's be honest here; personal preference, personal preference, personal preference, personal preference, personal preference and finally let's not forget personal preference!

    Fact!

  • mcbi4kh2 #131 3 years ago

    @sneetch and fart
    People aren't really arguing about personal preference, leaving off PSN's best game and counting a multi platform title as a plus over the other console is incompetent. Which is the point most people are making.

  • chris_ace #132 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • Vic #133 3 years ago

    Uhh...we were talking about all the 360 'exclusives' that appear on PC, but way to go with the cute reply :D.

    Though to be fair, it seems the majority of people who own all three machines do prefer the PSN over XBLA and Wiiware.

  • DanWhitehead #134 3 years ago

    The Wipeout omission has already been explained. The feature was written and submitted before Wipeout's release date was set, and I have no control over when articles are uploaded.

    As for Bionic Commando, it's quite clearly mentioned in the context of Live Arcade's high quality run in August, not as a title on its own. I'm not saying that Bionic Commando means 360 > PS3, but that it was just one title in a month of consistently excellent games - something the PS3 has yet to manage.

    I really kind of despair that people can read an article which has constructive praise and criticism for all three consoles and still see bias. The Wii's online offerings actually come in for much more sustained criticism in the feature than the PS3, yet there's a peculiar lack of Wii owners crying foul...

  • MightyMouse #135 3 years ago

    Calm down people, it's just an article. I would agree that there are some big omissions which rather totally invalidate the arguments in said article, but does it really matter?

    On a totally different note, who on earth (who is not a games journalist) has the time to play all the games available on even one of the stores? Pretty much everyone can be happy with any of the networks.

  • Kryon #136 3 years ago

    Baza72 wrote:

    Another shit article from eurogamer full of xbox bias and playstation bashing
    hope the retards that wrote this are proud of there work..........fuckwits dont know shit

    LOL, yeah, so why don't you fuck off and get your gaming news elsewhere? People like you need help, you don't like the article, fair enough, put it down to a difference of opinion if that makes you happy but don't come in here calling people fuckwits, you fuckwit. Why all the rage? Did your mum not pack your favourite flavour of Petit Filous in your power rangers lunch box today?

  • Vic #137 3 years ago

    Yes but Dan, there have been some sizable omissions regarding the PSN, and I dont think the same can be said of the Wii online. Dont try to turn this into some fanboy 'war'

    And the thursay update thing is slightly ridiculous.

    No offence, but I think its fair to say the article has its good points and it bad points. Not sure how the criticism can just be batted away like that, regardless of the platform being addressed.
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 16:32

  • Kryon #138 3 years ago

    Dan is right, Sony fanboys are more retarded than Nintendo fanboys, lol :D

  • sneetch #139 3 years ago

    @mcbi4kh2
    "@sneetch and fart
    People aren't really arguing about personal preference, leaving off PSN's best game and counting a multi platform title as a plus over the other console is incompetent. Which is the point most people are making."

    Well, I'm not going to count posts but I would say I doubt most people are making that point, most sensible people maybe. :)

    My post (and I believe farts too) was that a lot of these threads basically degenerate into a bunch of people trying to deride and shout down other peoples opinions and preferences while lauding up their own, equally shaky opinions and preferences as facts.

    I agree completely with you that releasing this article after the release of the (frankly awesome) WipEout HD and not updating it to mention it is ridiculous and I don't believe that the fact that it was written before WipEout was released excuses that. The article was "stale" when released and there's no real excuse for that, it's not like the masters for this article had to be sent off to the internet a month or two in advance for copying or anything.

    Edit: wanted to change tone a little. Perhaps too harsh; I can edit my posts, surely Eurogamer can do the same? Even a little (Update: blah blah blah) put into the article mentioning that this was written before WipEout and explaining that that game is the killer app PSN needed?
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 16:45

  • Trafford #140 3 years ago

    I'm happy with xbla.have spent quite a bit on it.Good selection.
    The odd gem on from the wii store is no comparison.

  • DanWhitehead #141 3 years ago

    Yes but Dan, there have been some sizable omissions regarding the PSN, and I dont think the same can be said of the Wii online. Dont try to turn this into some fanboy 'war'

    The only omission I can think of is not mentioning games like Warhawk and GT5 Prologue, which were launched on disc and download. And I can guarantee that if I had included those, 360 owners would be grumbling that they didn't count. I didn't include them because I wanted to keep the focus on the online exclusives and retro downloads.

    And the thursay update thing is slightly ridiculous.

    Yes and no. It's hardly the centrepiece of the feature, but Wednesday and Friday are well established in retail and the media as preferential days for shopping and/or launching new products. The appeal of Friday is obvious. Wednesday night is a prime spot for debuting new TV shows, and for cinema going, because people want something to look forward to mid-week. Thursday being "awkward" is almost a throwaway comment, but there's really no commercial precedent for people treating themselves to something on a Thursday. If the whole thrust of the article was that PSN sucks because it updates on Thursdays then you'd have a point, but that's clearly not the case.

    No offence, but I think its fair to say the article has its good points and it bad points. Not sure why the criticism can just be batted away like that, regardless of the platform being addressed.

    Criticise away, but unfounded accusations of bias are not criticism. That's just an insult. I praised the PS3 for its superior store design, its pricing, its superior mid-priced games and for its greater ratio of good content to crap. Likewise, the 360 and Wii are criticised for their rigid points systems, their glut of poor quality games and their clunky stores.

    I am also, of course, the same writer that gave Wipeout HD its glowing review.

    It just seems that some console owners can only see criticism aimed at their machine and praise aimed at the others.

  • gohda #142 3 years ago

    Typical article, claims to have a straight winner but fails to name anything as top of the pile.

  • Arwin #143 3 years ago

    Of course Wii owners don't cry foul, duh! Everyone knows that Wii-ware is still in its infancy, generally only sports over-priced legacy games, has some serious technical issues (storage), and hardly a decent or unique game yet.

    On the other hand, Live Arcade and PSN are much closer to each other, so there's room for debate. But the reason why this thread has exploded is simply because most multi-platform console owners will disagree and back PSN for having the best games, and many have done so for a year. In fact, August was the one month in which Live Arcade finally got some decent games, and this seems to have skewed the article, because before August, it would have been PSN also, thanks to games like PixelJunk Eden ...

    But I guess the article has the worst of luck now being released just when PSN has been reaching even bigger heights, with Burnout, WipeOut and MegaMan 9 released on the same day.

    It's a bit of an eye-opener that articles can take that long to publish ... what's this, print media? :D

    Incidentally, I'm thinking Super Rub-a-Dub, had it been released today (it did, by the way, just upgrade to version 3.0), I'm willing to bet it would have gotten a higher grade. It's a great casual title for all audiences, except, apparently, some hardcore ones who never got used to motion controls ... . I'm clearly not one of them though and I've got my gold duck to prove what I'm talking about ;) (though now with the 3.0 update there are 8 ducks to unlock, and I'm missing 3)

    EDIT: and again, I'm willing to bet a lot of people here complaining actually have two machines or more.

    The Thursday argument still seems weak, for an online store - if it's out on Thursday, then people who want to go 'out' to go 'shopping' on a Friday will surely be happy that the shopping windows have some nice new stuff up, despite that people have been preparing this the night before?? Not to mention, when do movies premiere again?
    Edited by 2 at 07/10/08 @ 16:50

  • Vic #144 3 years ago

    @Dan

    Well clearly the claims of bias were OTT, but I dont remember Tekken DR being mentioned either.

    Regarding GT/Warhawk/Burnout and 360 owners getting upset, could the same not also be said of PS3 owners in the VS threads, when the 360 is the lead development platform for the vast majority of these games (which are mostly crap anyway)? Since when has sensitivity been an issue?

    Also, while the article mentions that the 360 gets more regular updates than the PS3 or Wii, the fact that 95% of these games are by your own admission, crap, does this deserve a mention?

  • Sansmilk_GK #145 3 years ago

    Good article. Fanboy opinions aside, I'd say the 360/Wii edge the PS3 in terms of variety and scale. For me, Braid set's XBLA above the rest on its own.... but with that said, I'd give my right bollock to have Super Metroid in my arcade collection. So I guess in a round about way Wii wins..... Damn

  • kinky_mong #146 3 years ago

    The Wii's online offerings actually come in for much more sustained criticism in the feature than the PS3, yet there's a peculiar lack of Wii owners crying foul...

    Probably because Wii owners, myself included, realise that all the points in the article are entirely justified! It's overpriced and it's yet another example of Nintendo not knowing their arse from their elbow when it comes to online service.

  • #147 3 years ago

    From GAF :

    Eurogamer, the Fox news of video game information.


    /jokes


    edit

    btw he forgot Siren blood curse.
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 16:57

  • Xerx3s #148 3 years ago

    "But the reason why this thread has exploded is simply because most multi-platform console owners will disagree and back PSN for having the best games, and many have done so for a year."

    FACT!

    heh.

  • Kryon #149 3 years ago

    @Vic

    Regarding GT/Warhawk/Burnout and 360 owners getting upset, could the same not also be said of PS3 owners in the VS threads, when the 360 is the lead development platform

    Lol! You're really clutching at straws now.

  • andywilkie35 #150 3 years ago

    @MasterNameless

    Just went to try and the Playstation Store is down for maintenance!

    I'll give it a try later, thanks for the tip!

  • DanWhitehead #151 3 years ago

    Well clearly the claims of bias were OTT, but I dont remember Tekken DR being mentioned either.

    There are plenty of titles on XBLA and Wii that weren't mentioned either. The idea wasn't to just list everything on every system, but to take an overview.

    Regarding GT/Warhawk/Burnout and 360 owners getting upset, could the same not also be said of PS3 owners in the VS threads, when the 360 is the lead development platform for the vast majority of these games (which are mostly crap anyway)? Since when has sensitivity been an issue?

    Sensitivity isn't the issue, and I've explained why downloadable versions of boxed games weren't included. I was merely pointing out that whatever you include or omit, there's always someone who'll get annoyed.

    Also, while the article mentions that the 360 gets more regular updates than the PS3 or Wii, the fact that 95% of these games are by your own admission, crap, does this deserve a mention?

    Yes. The 360 and Wii are quite clearly criticised - several times - in the feature for their poor ratio of quality-to-crap games, just as the PS3 is praised for its quality over quantity approach.

  • DanWhitehead #152 3 years ago

    btw he forgot Siren blood curse.

    "It's also notable that the PS3 is the first console to start delivering larger games via download, with recent well-received games like Ratchet & Clank: Quest For Booty and Siren: Blood Curse snuggling into the gap between impulse buy downloads and full-priced retail games."

  • toy_brain #153 3 years ago

    Seemed like a balanced article, even with the omisson of Wipeout HD for PSN (because 360 owners could easily pull some other XBLA game out that was never mentioned. Assault Heroes perhaps?).
    Basically its hard to argue with XBLA's massive catalogue even when you do have Warhawk, Siren and Wipeout HD. But the PSN shopping experience - mostly not having some tossy little points system - (which very often puts me off purchasing XBLA titles) is so much better, and the article points this out quite clearly.

    On the subject of the varying release days, I tend to see it like this:

    XBLA Wednesday - Good. Its midweek, you've played that retail game you bought last friday so now its time for something to tide you over till this friday.

    PSN Thursday - Ehhh, it gets the jump on Fridays retail releases, but only just. Something to play on the night when you get home, and if you cant get to the shops till Saturday...

    Wii Friday - Pants. Totally clashes with retail releases so its effectively dividing its own market.

    Just my 2p.

  • captainrentboy #154 3 years ago

    Why wasn't Duke Nukem mentioned? FFS, this site is sooo stupidly bias it makes me vomit over my own legs....
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/08 @ 17:43

  • Bigglesworth #155 3 years ago

    @toybrain

    o_O
    Without meaning to sound too offensive, do people really have so little to do that they plan their lives around the online store updates??

  • Vic #156 3 years ago

    @ Kryron

    I cant believe those bastard PS3 owners talking up their console.

    Have you tried bitching about it?

  • DjFlex52 #157 3 years ago

    "Though to be fair, it seems the majority of people who own all three machines do prefer the PSN over XBLA and Wiiware.

    @Vic

    That's such bullshit!
    There's no mention of Black, Fable, Chaos Theory, Indigo Prophecy, Psychonauts, Ninja Gaiden Black, Burnout 3, Jade Empire, Pirates and Halo CE in this article but noone's complaining, SDF ;)

  • toy_brain #158 3 years ago

    "o_O
    Without meaning to sound too offensive, do people really have so little to do that they plan their lives around the online store updates??"

    Hardly, and I think you know that wasn't really what I was getting at.
    Similar to how some games are heald back or pushed forward so as not to 'collide' with the release of a GTA or FIFA, it makes sense to make sure your online games do not collide with the release of your retail stuff - thus ensuring a constant flow of interest in your console without overcrowding. MS has this more-or-less spot on. You check the shops on friday for new games... nothing take your fancy? OK well then check online in a few days to see if there is any DLC you want instead. It keeps the console more... uhhh.. this is going to sound dumb but.... 'active in your mind' (told you it was dumb).
    Whereas with the PS3 you have this Thursday/Friday perid of new content, then nothing for almost a week till the next lot, and for Wii owners its all on one day.

    Its just about maintaining peoples interest and not clashing with your own market y'know.

  • Kryon #159 3 years ago

    One man against all odds, on a mission to enlighten the world to the immense untapped power of the cell before it's too late for humanity. Vic (played by Rick Moranis) must begin his quest to bring down the powerful and biased journalists of EG, but it won't be easy as he seems to get pwned at every turn by a rotten to the core journo, a man only known as Dan Whitehead.

    The PWNAGE

    In theatres this fall. Certificate 12A.

  • Vic #160 3 years ago

    "PWNAGE"

    Its words like this that cement your position as a dickhead. You're probably about 12 and living at home with mummy and daddy who paid for your consoles.

    The idea of two adults discussing the article is beyond your comprehension. There should be a kiddies section where people like you can use your made-up words.

  • Kryon #161 3 years ago

    Calm down Victoria, no need to get your panties in a twist, jeez, some people really can't take being PWNED.

  • BartonFink #162 3 years ago

    People (SDF) still bitching and moaning? Look PSN has some great titles up there (some fantastic ones in fact) but it's totally eclipsed by XBLA. Live with it.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #163 3 years ago

    I find it amazing that some of the best and most original games of all time (many found on Virtual console) are slated by so called gamers because theyve played them before, yet spunk flies over the latest versions of PS1 games because they're in HD (its still wipeout FFS). Maybe the PC can be brought into the argument then? (how many years ago was Half-Life 2 available as download only?, so PS3 HD is old news if fanboys are going to try to champion Wipout because of the higher resolution) The 'best' should be about value for money, and that can only be measured on how many hours we spend playing, not how far we shoot our load.

    And why would Sony price the Wipeout HD code the same as a boxed item in the shops? the price is right, its not cheap
    As soon as Nintendo and Microsoft start to offer full retail games from XBLA and VC, this argument is dead.
    Not that I give a fuck, my Pandora will be here soon and I'll catch up on the best games of all time that I didn't get time to play. Stop trying to make out Nintendo are the only ones interested in your wallet.

  • Kryon #164 3 years ago

    Also,

    The idea of two adults discussing the article is beyond your comprehension.

    "Boohoo, Waaah! Change the article you biased bastards, it's not fair, you didn't include every single PSN game in the article so you're obviously biased, Boohoohoo, you hurt my feelings when you do face off articles because all teh games are 360 lead platform titles, Boohoo *sniff* WaaaAAaaaAAAaaah, I want my mummy!"

    That's the essence of what you were saying, and you call that an adult conversation? LOL!

  • smelly #165 3 years ago

    "wii vc =3rd place over priced games no hd only sd whic sucks on high end tvs "


    If your HDTV cant display SD properly.. it's not a "high end" tv...

  • Vic #166 3 years ago

    @ Kryon

    No. I was talking about my conversation with Dan. You're not old enough to qualify as an adult.

    You've just seen your arse. :D.

  • Kryon #167 3 years ago

    Hey Smelly...






    Guess what?







    Mario sucks cocks in hell!...What say you?

  • Kryon #168 3 years ago

    Vic, your conversation with Dan (the one where you got PWNED) was exactly how I described it. You're basically crying because you feel PSN has been done a severe injustice at the hands of EG. If there's anyone who needs to mature a little, it's you.

  • Vic #169 3 years ago

    I know why you really dont like the PSN...its because mum and dad wont let you have that debit card yet.

  • Kryon #170 3 years ago

    Says the kid who just threw his haribo out of the pram because he didn't agree with something he read on the internet, lol!

  • Vic #171 3 years ago

    LOL

    PWNED

    Haribo

    ...I started seeing a common theme long ago. Thats the problem with schoolkids these days. They're so pent-up with frustration, that their way out is with blogs and forums.

    Dont worry mate, GOW2 will be out soon. You're homoerotic needs will be well taken care off.

    Shit I've got to run. 3:30 tomorrow?

  • Kryon #172 3 years ago

    "Thats the problem with schoolkids these days. They're so pent-up with frustration, that their way out is with blogs and forums. "

    Jesus! Somebody call the emergency services, quick! I've got a 9.6 on the Irono-meter right here!

  • famous_roy #173 3 years ago

    XBLA is easily the best - for the new material such as Braid, Geometry Wars 2, Castle Crashers etc if nothing else. Played Live Arcade games for than Retail releases recently!

  • DjFlex52 #174 3 years ago

    Neither Wipeout HD nor Duke Nukem 3D was mentioned.
    So it's equal omittance....calm down everyone :)

  • #175 3 years ago

    So XBLA beats the PSN, but only just? And how many years was it out first?

    xb360lol

    /oh wait...damn.

  • Kenshin001 #176 3 years ago

    The only omission I can think of is not mentioning games like Warhawk and GT5 Prologue, which were launched on disc and download. And I can guarantee that if I had included those, 360 owners would be grumbling that they didn't count.

    Rather silly argument. How can they not count? They are on the PSN, as is Burnout Paradise. You can't just pretend they are not there because of some 360 owning crybabies. The fact they are also on disc is irrelevant, on the contrary Sony's policy of not having a file size limit is one of the big factors that differentiates it from the others. It's a pretty glaring and clumsy omission.

  • Widge #177 3 years ago

    Jesus christ, this has devolved into bollocks, I think I'll leave it here!

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #178 3 years ago

    "If you ask me, the clear winner here is the consumer"

    I love comments like this, sounds like something an anchorman would say.

  • Kryon #179 3 years ago

    Who cares if Mr Whitehead mentioned every single PSN game? He didn't mention every single XBL game either, get over it! He has already explained that this article was an overview of the services, not an intricate game by game study. Besides, most PS3 owners wouldn't bother downloading games that they can buy in a retail outlet for the simple reason that they need that HDD space for all the forced installs that are pushed upon them, so it's kinda inconsequential anyway...

  • michaelius #180 3 years ago

    Todays article has been sponsored by letters X, B, O, X and numbers 3 6 0 :)

  • Xerx3s #181 3 years ago

    EG DIDN'T MENTION ZHE XNA IMPLEMENTATION ON XBLa!!! Z0MG! U = ALL T3H PSTRIPPLE BIASED!

  • ProfessorLesser #182 3 years ago

    I see nobody has mentioned the real crime here, and that is the glaring currency conversion error!

  • Kryon #183 3 years ago

    Kryon's Late Night Limericks

    There was a young gayer named Vic.
    Who enjoyed a quick choke on the dick.
    He takes the girls role.
    To get cock in his hole.
    That funny old bummer named Vic.

    The End

  • woodnotes #184 3 years ago

    Why no mention of Xbox Originals?

  • Vic #185 3 years ago

    Oh dear, it appears Kryon has taken my digs personally and is having a meltdown in front of his PC as I type :D

    XBLA is teh best and 360 rulez!! PS3+ Wii suck and are PWned!!

  • bad09 #186 3 years ago

    Wow it's gettin messy in here! As far as I can see it guys Sony needs to do just 3 simple things to blow everyone out of the water in terms of online offerings:

    1. Increase and improve the PS1 line up - seriously, Sony, someone needs firing and replacing. Get it sorted!
    2. Increase and improve the PSP line up - seriously, Sony, someone needs firing and replacing. Get it sorted!
    3. PS BLOODY 2 YOU STUBBORN NIMROD TWATS!!!!!!!!!!!!! - seriously Sony someone needs SERIOUS firing, stringing up, nuts chopped off, skinned, gutted, shot for good measure, cremated, sprinkled on a northeners Saturday night kebab and shat out on Sunday morning hangover poo and replacing. Get it sorted!

    3 things only and boom Sony shoots to number 1 again!

  • andywilkie35 #187 3 years ago

    @MasterNameless

    Got it working now, thanks a lot for your help! :)

  • triforce23 #188 3 years ago

    I own a 360 and WII and love both download services my favourite games this year are geo wars 2, braid, and mega man 9 bought both versions wii being the better version also love virtual console. I find the prices quite reasonably priced and think this is the way forward. One of the best features of this gen.

  • mkreku #189 3 years ago

    Why is Thursday an awkward day? Why is it worse than Wednesday or Friday..? I don't get it. Only 'awkward' day I can think of would be Sunday, since that would just be cruel teasing as you wander off to work the next day..

  • DanWhitehead #190 3 years ago

    Why no mention of Xbox Originals?

    "The one area where Microsoft still seems rather uncertain is its retro Xbox Originals range. Additions to the list are sporadic at best, with no clear schedule or reasoning behind what goes up and when, and there doesn't seem to be much urgency on Microsoft's part to change that state of affairs. For shame."

  • curtlikesmeat #191 3 years ago

    I'd agree with the 360 based on originality - the best games mentioned for the PS3 are all re-releases, reworkings or new versions of older games (apart from Warhawk, which I thought was very mediocre). Braid is the decider for me, although the interface is desperate for the update now as no one wants to trawl through those menus.

  • Xerx3s #192 3 years ago

    "apart from Warhawk"

    I give you warhawk.

  • Xerx3s #193 3 years ago

    "some 360 owning crybabies"

    Irony.

  • kinky_mong #194 3 years ago

    Why is Thursday an awkward day? Why is it worse than Wednesday or Friday..? I don't get it. Only 'awkward' day I can think of would be Sunday, since that would just be cruel teasing as you wander off to work the next day..

    I imagine what the author of the article was getting at was that while in the UK new retail releases arrive on a Friday in the US Wednesday is usually the day of new retail releases, so these two days are associated with new releases in their respective countries (this is also the reason why games that get a simultaneous worldwide release like GTA4 and Halo 3 came out in the UK on a Wednesday). Thursday therefore is like the piggy in the middle with no association to a retail release date.

    HOWEVER the Wednesday release would mean pretty much nothing to most UK residents and vice versa the Friday would mean nothing to those in the US. And to be honest I don't see why they had to set a particular day to release them that is different form the competitors.

    So in conclusion the release day is completely arbitrary and trying to decide which service is better based on this is pointless.

  • Harrihotpants #195 3 years ago

    I've only just read the article, and some of the comments. I am adding my voice of concern that wipout HD and siren blood curse were not included regarding PSN, both great games for different reasons, Wipeout HD is an absolutely fantastic game.

    The article was a great idea, just poorly implemented.

  • GamesConnoisseur #196 3 years ago

    I have all three consoles and used DLC regularly, PSN is certainlly improving and have some great and unmissable gems in form of Wipeout HD, Siren and few others already mentioned by so many Sony owners (see previous posts for help!). On the overall basis X360 do shines bit more for me, due to having more higher scoring games whether retreads such as Rez, Soul Calibur, Duke Nuken 3D or Doom and new titles such as Braids, GW2 and Pacman CE.

    This is just my opinon and I will not thrust it down anyone throats or cry foul at the hapless reviewer, this very same reviewer who praised Wipeout HD is being stoned because of hiccups at EG not uploading this article quick enough or having it updated.

    I dont think having the article patched with full inclusions of all the titles would really change the balance that much, I still KNOW I will delights in XBL and PSN no matter the conclusions stating a close win for one or the other!

    No mention of WiiWare or VC from me? The storage space have simply got to me to the point that I m leaving Wii off for months now.

    /At Wii: Rasspberries so there, until you get storage space you not gonna be activated!

  • TRUTH #197 3 years ago

    Burnout Paradise £24.99 to download on PS3!!...You can buy that brand new for less then £18 (picked it up for £14). Also pick it up for less then £10 2nd hand.

  • waggy79 #198 3 years ago

    So from all the comments ive read, wipeout means psn is the better service? what a totally blinkered and fanboy comment to make. Im genuinely disappointed with the toss people say to defend their chosen hunk of metal and plastic. lol

  • juuken #199 3 years ago

    Depends solely on preference.

    I think personally that PSN has come a long way and it's still a young system. It also has some good quality games worth checking out. It's just an article-no need to freak out. I didn't expect this article to declare PSN the winner anyway.

    Edited by 1 at 08/10/08 @ 20:17

  • Buran #200 3 years ago

    This time is a PS3 win. Has better prices and a more clear economic polytic, more simple interface, and titles with very high values in terms of production: Warhwak, GT Prologue, Tekken 5 DRO, Wipe Out HD, Siren, Echochrome...

    The other options simply can't stand against the high end products in the PSN, and even the more modest ones are usually good in quality. But again: with things like WO HD, Warhawk or Siren the XBL and VC acn't compete. Of course, Steam and EA Store in PC can, but in consoles PSN is now the best one.