Winning Eleven 6 Preview

Preview - Mugwum gets intimately acquainted with KCET's Winning Eleven 6, the basis for Pro Evolution Soccer's inevitable successor

Evolution

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The French are unquestionably the best team in the game, and Zidane the best player

Let's make something clear from the outset; Winning Eleven 6 is not the game that will eventually be released as Pro Evolution Soccer 2 in Europe. The final product will hopefully improve upon WE6 in the same way that WE6 improved upon Pro Evolution Soccer - specifically though, KCET is promising to work hard to overcome areas in the Japanese release which fall short of our expectations.

One of the Winning Eleven 6's less welcome subtractions is an apparent loss of ball control. R1 still provides a speedy but inaccurate dash, while R2's sprint is still slightly slower but more controlled, allowing players to weave away from defenders and shield the ball with greater ease. Previously the L1 button had given players the ability to slow almost to a halt, but in WE6 this facility seems to have disappeared. Perhaps it hides behind one of the wealth of Japanese-language menu options we couldn't decipher. We hope so, because without it the game completely lacks close control options, key to those Ronaldo style stop-overs, twists and turns, and coupled with the increased pace of the game this gap can lead to far too much turnover in midfield.

Shooting remains one of the game's best aspects though, with all manner of wonderful goals achievable by those who put the hours in. You can feign shots by filling your power bar then quickly tapping X to shuffle aside, which gives you the opportunity to take the ball around the keeper - something completely alien to players of the original Pro Evolution Soccer - and a quick double-tap of the shot button as the keeper goes to dive will dink it over him satisfyingly. Of course, all manner of long- and short-range efforts are still there, from sticking a random boot out decisively as Ronaldo did on Monday, to blasting it into the top left corner from the edge of the penalty area. The comprehensive array of options and directions the ball can take defy the conventions of the genre, which often puts the game on rails.

The Spectacle

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Up close and personal

If one thing is true of Pro Evo 2 at this stage, it's that you will get better the more you play it. In Winning Eleven 6, early reliance on pressing will lead to lots of stoppages, gradually you learn to anticipate where the ball is going to be played, and grabbing the R1 and R2 buttons simultaneously gives you direct control of the player, allowing you to run him to where you feel the ball is headed instead of just hoping the AI will direct him to intercept. Making liberal use of the combo along with the circle-controlled slide tackle is also a good way to intercept, and often rewarding because it finds the opposition out of formation and susceptible to counterattacks.

Player statistics continue to contribute to the overall gameplay dynamic, and teams are noticeably different to one another not just overall, but in critical areas. Speed and accuracy with the ball are obvious ones, but stats can also make a difference in terms of how much control individual players have over the ball in one-on-one situations and in many other areas. For example, Zidane's skill with the outside of the foot, for peeling balls away and slotting those incisive through-balls into place can turn a match around, and Zidane playing a ball between two defenders onto the end of an Henry run produces a very different result to a Barmby ball to Heskey.

When it comes to moving the ball around passing is normally smooth, with the same options for lofting the ball forward and about as before. Our one criticism of the player statistics system lies here though, as players often stand around waiting for the ball to arrive, plainly watching the ball and the inevitable defender as he races to pick it up. Better players can pick the ball up from a bad pass, but however technically realistic, having a striker stand and watch the ball without budging is frustrating, and it certainly doesn't look realistic.

Fair play

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Confused? Yes, we were

FIFA may advocate fair play, but the referees on their default settings in Winning Eleven 6 are more like mafia crime bosses - make one mistake kid, and you're dead. Holding down the X and/or square buttons when not in possession still chases the ball and presses the opposition, but players topple much more easily, making it harder to steal the ball and resulting in a heck of a lot of stoppages. The good news is that Winning Eleven 6 has an extraordinary amount of options to tweak, and with all the work KCET is putting in at the moment, we can expect even more by the time Pro Evo 2 is finished. Konami assures us that already the referees can be toned down and various other elements of the game altered to streamline the experience as much as possible.

Stoppages continue to break up the game too much though; any whistle blow sees the camera zoom in, the ref dish out a card if necessary, perhaps even a replay, and then a few seconds' pause before play resumes. This is one area that we hope KCET will streamline for Pro Evo 2 - perhaps after the whistle goes, a quick button combo from the infringed player could bypass all this messing around? The free kick system itself is still pretty hard to get right as well. After more than 50 hours of play with WE6 (and countless hours with Pro Evo) it's still almost impossible to net the ball, even with advice from the developer!

We don't expect to see the infinitely more manageable ISS2 system make the transition across - in fairness that one is a bit too easy to master - but the present system is confusing. Pressing forward on the left stick puts power behind direct shot free kicks, and spoons long pass free kicks, while pulling it back does the opposite. Pulling the stick back on a shot removes much of the pace and leaves only spin, but the gradations are a bit inconsistent, so most of the time you end up spooning it to just the other side of the wall, where it bounces harmlessly to be cleared by the foot of a defender. Then there are other factors like spin, distance and direction… In a way, this is where WE6's depth works against it, because investing hundreds of hours is something that only a scant few can do, and we still find it extraordinary to score from a free kick. Those not prepared to lose a day to free kicks on the practice pitch will have difficulty getting anywhere.

Jumpers for goalposts

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It'll go wide

Graphically the game receives a few tweaks, with more transition animations for little dinks, chips, passes and so forth. The game seems a lot brighter and smoother, with more polygons and real-time shadows on every player from each of four floodlights. In the most zoomed out of views the game does slow down now and then, and from free kicks and corners changing the direction can be horrendously slow thanks to all that player detail coupled with the sight of a huge stadium packed full of fans. Needless to say, this is at the top of KCET's list of items to address.

Elsewhere, player models are slightly more detailed, but the most striking change is actually to the animations and player heights, which are extremely reminiscent of their real-life counterparts. Choice players like Beckham and Roberto Carlos get their own unique run-ups, and even if we have yet to emulate Carlos' stinging kicks, he doesn't half race about like a little prima donna.

On the audio front, commentary still seems a bit repetitive, although it's infinitely more bearable in Japanese with the game's over-enthusiastic pairing babbling incoherently as far as us uneducated Brits are concerned, and judging by the regularly referenced player names we'd imagine that licenses have been acquired, so Pro Evo 2 should be even closer to real football in that respect. We also like the choice of tunes for the intro and exit movies - Queen's We Will Rock You and We Are The Champions, and we hope that they remain in place. Overused in British sports coverage they may be, but they are also intimately associated with football and just plain stonking tunes.

Conclusion

Pro Evolution Soccer 2 is shaping up to be an extraordinarily complete package, incomparable to any other footy game, if WE6 is anything to go by. It is already the finest football simulation in Japan, just as Pro Evo is in the west, and KCET isn't done tweaking the game yet. Although it might seem a bit cheap to continuously update the same game at the expense of a new project, the more they do to the Pro Evo formula the better it gets. There are a few problems, but there always are, and ultimately these can't detract from the overall experience, which is fast, versatile and rewarding. Give it another six months and we'll be saying the same again, with bells on.

Comments (55) Latest comment 9 years ago

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  • Monkey #1 10 years ago

    I can't wait :)
    Hopefully they'll sort out some decent english commentary, the japanese commentary in WE6 is enjoyable, although I don't know what they are saying until GOOOOOOAAAALLLL! :)
  • Monkey #2 10 years ago

    I wouldn't say it was that hard, pro evo had a flaw that you could shoot across the keeper and virtually get a goal every time.
    WE6 doesn't have that flaw as the keepers are better, but I found I could score from early on.
  • full effect #3 10 years ago

    WE6/Pro Evo 2 Has one main fault just like Pro Evo and that it doesnt have the full FIFA licence. Come on EA let Konami Tokyo have the license.
  • Whizzo #4 10 years ago

    Come on EA let Konami Tokyo have the license.
    Why should EA give up something they've paid for?
  • Smiggs #5 10 years ago

    you can't score from freekicks even i managed that after watching the training video on pes

    *loses all respect of tom's gaming ability*
  • full effect #6 10 years ago

    Why should EA give up something they've paid for?

    Because they make a crap game.
  • Whizzo #7 10 years ago

    Because they make a crap game.
    Yet make money hand over fist with them, if Konami really wants the FIFA license they'll have to outbid EA. Something I doubt they'd want to do or could.
  • Monkey #8 10 years ago

    I've just been on the arse end of a Heskey wooping in a multiplayer Argentina - England 3 times over!!!! :(
    It decided that I wasn't going to score after my comments above :)
  • Mark #9 10 years ago

    I WANT ITTTTTTTTTTTTT :D :D :D :D
  • otto #10 10 years ago

    Incidentally I was just watching CNN and laughing my arse off at their sports coverage. According to CNN, the USA has just won the World Cup. Or as good as. Yes, you see Portugal were firm favourites to lift the trophy, and beating them 3-2 is the greatest sporting achievement since Wycombe Wanderers beat Barcelona at home in the Bernabeu. The sports anchor then helpfully added, "this is the first time in the history of Team USA that they have scored three points in a World Cup game."

    (note - he *didn't* mean 'points')
  • Whizzo #11 10 years ago

    If you think that's funny otto, reading some of the comments on the BBC from the US on how great the US team will be in the future are just as entertaining.

    The US played better than Portugal and deserved the win is one thing, thinking they're on their way to football dominance is another.

    Edited to make the last sentence actually make sense..
    Edited by Whizzo at 05/06/02 @ 22:12
  • Gestalt #12 10 years ago

    "note - he *didn't* mean 'points'"

    You mean they've won a game before? :-0
  • otto #13 10 years ago

    Yeah - they beat England 1-0 in 1950. Didn't they also beat Colombia in 94, leading to that defender getting shot?
  • Gestalt #14 10 years ago

    "they beat England 1-0 in 1950"

    Did you know that one off the top of your head, or did you cheat and look it up? ;)
  • bystander #15 10 years ago

    I think otto is cheating I just read this comment on the BBC website:

    "Is this the USA's best ever win in the World Cup Finals? Does it outshine the 1-0 victory over England in the 1950 finals?
    Ray Colon, USA"

    Some comments:

    "I think the trend is definitely with the New World. The European continent has had its day and the US, the Brazilians, the Senegalese.... we're only the beginning.
    Douglas Gillison, United States"

    This was rather amusing:

    "We really ought to ban the US from the World Cup, the country's too large. If football was their main sport they'd probably have a team with 8 foot defenders and an extra wide keeper. No other team would stand a chance. ACT NOW.
    Mark, UK "

    This wasn't bad either:

    "America is back in the house y'all! Never count out the Red, White and Blue. We are a sleeping giant. When we focus on soccer, we will win it every year.
    Ryan S., USA "
  • Whizzo #16 10 years ago

    Douglas Gillison's comment proves he knows very little about football, I don't think the US team bears any relation to the Brazilian one!

    Another bit of trivia concerning the World Cup, European teams have only won it when it takes place in Europe... Will this one break that perhaps?
  • Nobby #17 10 years ago

    PES commentry, nothing beats

    '*Your team* still have enough time left'

    after conceding a goal at 2 or 3 up. Completely illogical.

    The USA will never be good enough to win the world cup. Purely because they have such a weak national league that all their players have to go overseas, whereas obviously European countries have big leagues, as do Brazil/Argentina etc. They should concentrate on their own brand of 'football'.

    Edit: Actually, I'd except the pain of them winning the world cup if they stopped calling it soccer.
    Edited by Nobby at 05/06/02 @ 22:40
  • Feanor #18 10 years ago

    Why Nobby, does it bother you so much that there are countries where the term "football" usually refers to another sport such as American Football, Rugby, Rugby League or Australian Rules, and so the sport you term football is given another name to distinguish it? You want to get over your arrogant notion that every country should use the same word for the sport of Association Football that you do.
  • landore #19 10 years ago

    Yawn
    *switches the channel to something more interesting than football like the sky at night*
    Edited by landore at 06/06/02 @ 03:22
  • Errol #20 10 years ago

    'The USA will never be good enough to win the world cup'

    Give them 50yrs and they might be.
  • bystander #21 10 years ago

    One final comment from the BBC website:

    "It will take a while before soccer is popular on a large scale in the USA. The main reason is all the diving for penalties or cards that take place. American sports fans do not take kindly to this type of behaviour. Also, it is difficult to sell commercials during the continuous action in soccer - all American sports are heavily supported by commercials.
    Ray Weaver, USA "
  • #22 10 years ago

    Its the stop start nature of American Football (the adverts etc) that really puts me off the sport.

    All main american sports have this stop-start qaulity - and many americans find it hard to understand the free flowing continuous nature of Football.
  • Nemesis #23 10 years ago

    I think it extremely ill-conceived to state that the USA will *never* win the World Cup. Remember the *pro* league has only been running 7 years over there. It's a start, nothing more.
  • otto #24 10 years ago

    "The USA will never be good enough to win the world cup. Purely because they have such a weak national league that all their players have to go overseas"

    Right. Like France then. ;)
  • Nemesis #25 10 years ago

    Yeah, but Otto they all play for Arsenal!
  • otto #26 10 years ago

  • ssuellid #27 10 years ago

    I thought it was amusing that most of the Senegal players actually play in France and the Mr Viera was born in Senegal and then moved to France.
  • Nemesis #28 10 years ago

    ...what *has* Zeige done to his hair for gawds sake.
  • Super Stu #29 10 years ago

    Well, I've been away for a few days (plumbing round the house) and everything's gone all football here.

    My 2 cents for the day:

    You want to get over your arrogant notion that every country should use the same word for the sport of Association Football that you do.


    Feanor: piss off. It's called Football, OK?
  • LaundroMat #30 10 years ago

    Aargh. From the BBC comments:
    Let me just say that the USA's development in soccer is very much a marathon, not a sprint.
    The ball is round again; from games to football to consoles, in one comment!
  • Nemesis #31 10 years ago

    You know, that line works on so many levels...sport, war, consoles......
  • Whizzo #32 10 years ago

    Oops Henry just got a straight red...
  • otto #33 10 years ago

    Just back from watching 1st half France-Uruguay. No great fan of France but you'd have to have a heart of stone not to want to see them win the way the bloody Uruguayans have cheated their way through the first half. Never seen a more disgraceful display of acting, diving and cynical fouling, even Maradona could learn a thing or two from them. OK Henry deserved it for showing studs but in that case the Uruguayans should have had at least two players sent off. Disgusting.
  • Super Stu #34 10 years ago

    That's me stuffed then, I had Henry down as top goal scorer.

    Good job I put Japan down as winning the FIFA Fair Play award.
  • UncleLou #35 10 years ago

    "...what *has* Zeige done to his hair for gawds sake."

    I read in the newspaper he was just fooling around with his girlfriend and then they decided it looked ok, so he just kept it that way, not expecting anyone to comment on this. Bit naive, huh?
  • otto #36 10 years ago

    It really is bloody sickening though. I don't get FIFA at all. They say they'll clamp down on acting & foul play, and then they fine Rivaldo the equivalent of about 50p. This is pretty much an invitation to the South Americans to ham it up like Kenneth Williams. It totally sucks all the enjoyment out of the game - you wait for Argentina tomorrow, you think Simeone was bad in France, he'll have a field day tomorrow.

    Gah, makes me sick.
  • Nemesis #37 10 years ago

    I think what's worse is seeing English players doing it, I always thought we were above that sort of thing. But it's being invited, the ref will award a free kick for the lamest of knocks, blocks and so the players will take advantage. Henry deserved the red, I suspect you'll see some more ppl go soon. It's all handbags.
  • otto #38 10 years ago

    Nem, no doubt you're right. I just don't get it though, the 'powers that be' come down like a ton of bricks on someone who's accidentally had a sniff of his neighbour's lemsip and take away his gold medal as a 'drugs cheat', and yet they let other athletes get away with the most disgraceful cheating. I don't see the problem with drugs in sport. These people are all freaks of nature anyway, I don't see the difference between getting up at 4am to run 20 miles and popping a bottle of amphetamines, it's all equally unnatural. I mean, Ben Jonson still ran it on his own two legs didn't he? It's not as if he got a lift on his mate's Ducati. Whereas Maradona & Argentina WIN THE WORLD CUP FFS as a result of the most blatant and obvious case of handball in recorded history!

    ...sorry I'm just having a bit of an episode, I'll be alright in a minute I promise...
  • Nemesis #39 10 years ago

    So what you gonna do.... Stop play and watch the big screen?

    I think it may reach a point where it'll happen.

    For the people who complain about the break in play, look at it this way.....when a player goes down, rolls around and is stretchered off that's a good 5 minutes. Plenty of time to see the Cheaters Leap in it's fully glory.
  • otto #40 10 years ago

    The stupid thing was, in the France game, the injured guy was rolling around on the pitch so long that the repeat of the studs incident was replayed four times on the big screens - so the whole stadium saw it and was yelling for the bastard to be sent off. Especially after what happened to Henry. OK, he deserved it, but then the ref should be consistent.
  • Nemesis #41 10 years ago

    Exactly. The big screens show the replays anyhow, so why not take a moment. The danger is you reach a point where every decision causes a stop. This works for American Football, but footy is a different game altogether and it'd kill it dead.
  • otto #42 10 years ago

    Right. I say, don't interrupt play, but have a fourth official who can intervene say at half time or full time. That way, if the ref on the pitch doesn't see an incident, it can still be penalised afterwards (say a retrospective red card with suspension for the next match, or in the worst cases - eg Maradona's handball - they forfeit the match). It's not ideal but it's better than the current situation.
  • Whizzo #43 10 years ago

    It all comes down to better officials and the fact that they're only human and do make mistakes. Unfortunately they can also change entire games with their mistakes, would replays help or just undermine the authority that the ref has?

    In Rugby they're only used in debateable try decisions where the ref and touch judge can't see if the ball has been touchdowned or kicks at goal or into touch not for anything else. What is better about Rugby officials is that the touch judge seems to have a bit more power and a ref will always defer judgement on issues if the touch judge is better placed. Linos, sorry assistant referees, are quite timid and easily overruled by the ref in comparision, this should change.
    Edited by Whizzo at 06/06/02 @ 14:42
  • ssuellid #44 10 years ago

    A fourth official like in cricket would be a good idea. If they have time to replay the incident from X angles before the bookings/injuries have been taken care of, surely a video ref would not add much delay to the game?

    They should just ban players from international matches if they play act in the future. If there is any doubt about guilt then of course they should not be banned. Also wage proportional post match fines for being a dirty bastard should be imposed.
  • pjmaybe #45 10 years ago

    Please god at least get commentators of some note in. I swear to god I'll throw my PS2 through the window if I hear that fat bastard say "The sun is shining and there's a cool breeze blowing through the stadium" when quite blatantly it's pissing down with rain on screen.

    The only shitey bits in the whole game really.

    Peej
  • Nobby #46 10 years ago

    "Right. Like France then. ;)"

    I watched an american game of football last easter when I was there. It was like watching Motherwell - St Johnstone. And for people not following Scottish football, the only thing worse than that is going to Falkirk.

    "Feanor: piss off. It's called Football, OK?"

    LOL. Well put Stu ;)

    Otto, I totally agree, I watched the first half and if France deserved their red then Uraguay deserved at least two. They said they'd clamp down on cheating but I've never seen such bad cheating as this world cup. One Scottish ref sent off about 5 players in one game for diving, that was a classic.
  • FWB #47 10 years ago

    Does anyone know if this game is PS2 exclusive or if it will be ported to Xbox or Gamecube?

    I don't suppose anyone has an answer to this, do they? I heard a Gameboy version was on the cards, but what about the Cube or X-Box? This sounds like THE footy game. It is a good thing we have the Japs to produce these things for us.

    "America is back in the house y'all! Never count out the Red, White and Blue. We are a sleeping giant. When we focus on soccer, we will win it every year.
    Ryan S., USA "


    No, the US will never win the World Cup so long as football remains outside its main culture. There needs to be kids kicking a ball around in every park, school yard, garden etc before they make an sufficient progress. It is naive and arrogant of them to think that just because they have the wealth they can succeed. That's another problem, the game is too middle class there. Yes, there was a time when class divisions ran among the sport world wide, but those are being broken down.

    Apart from which the guy who made that comment obviously has no idea what football is. What exactly would the US be "winning" every year, since the World Cup is only every four years?

    I think they've still put on their usual poor performance this year. Portugal were arrogant and those US goals were give aways, they were not amazingly worked or required any great skill. Even Poland would've scored had they played the Portugal of that first 30mins (after which the Iberians dominated, even though they played shite). In the S.Korea game, once again a bit of a weak goal and the Asians should've gone on to win the match. The Poland game yesterday was a prime example. We (Poland) were shite, we've been awful in this tournament from day one and I haven't seen a single improvement. We won because we were the lesser of the two shites on the day.

    Don't get me wrong, it isn't impossible for America to improve, but they need a cultural change (which probably won't come unless they win something - yanks don't seem to play to participate - so it is a vicious circle). Let's also not forget they're only in the World Cup because their qualifying group is such a piece of piss.

    Apart from the exit of France and Argentina, and the wonderful displays of Senegal, I think the highlight so far has been the Japs and S.Koreans. Ok, so they have a great advantage in the climate (they can keep going the entire 90 mins, while many European teams can barely walk it), but they've still produced some great entertainment. Not only that but they've put on a great tournament and their citizens are getting involved (which is more than I can say for 1994). I love seeing them going nuts when they score or win, it always makes we smile, even when they beat us (Poland).
    Edited by FWB at 15/06/02 @ 04:13
  • skalmanxl #48 10 years ago

    A game called Winning Eleven is slated for GC-release, dunno if it's this one though.
  • FWB #49 10 years ago

    A game called Winning Eleven is slated for GC-release, dunno if it's this one though.

    I don't suppose you have any links/info for it?

  • skalmanxl #50 10 years ago

  • brutal #51 10 years ago

    i heard it might be out as soon as 25th oct...

    If not, then sometime during november for sure....
  • thebuzzard #52 10 years ago

    Since you called it soccer and not football I refuse to help you as a matter of principle :E
  • brutal #53 10 years ago

    PES2 is out today!! wooohooo!!!

    (it rocks, by the way, imho)
  • brutal #54 10 years ago

    goto www.pesfan.com

    they've got all the team listings there..

    if you have a save from pes1, load it up in pes2 and the names will change from oranges to their proper names.
  • Tiger_Walts #55 9 years ago

    More messages from Osama?