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Neverwinter Nights 2 Interview

PC Interview by Kieron Gillen

5 April, 2006

We're in Hammersmith, London. We're here to see Neverwinter Nights 2. We're watching Obsidian's Feargus Urquhart, veteran commander in chief and ex of Black Isle, walk us through the game. He shows us the improved graphics engine. He shows us some of the new mechanics, adding direct control of a party rather than the Mr Lonesome of the original Neverwinter Nights. He leads us through the improved Neverwinter tool-set, showing the increased power and accessibility of this next generation of the world's foremost roleplaying game creation tool.

It all looks good. Yes.

The problem is that the niggles evident in Bioware's Neverwinter Nights didn't particularly show in a demonstration either - and if they do, indeed, remain, they wouldn't show here. The problem with Neverwinter Nights was that while the build-your-own-RPG aspects worked as well as we could have hoped, and the mechanics were an accurate enough recreation of Dungeon and Dragons, the actual campaign that shipped with the game was below par. It's a game that tended to get marks more for potential than what was actually in the box (and, to be fair, in a variety of the mods and the excellent add-on packs, that potential was mostly fulfilled). For a role-playing game, you can't tell how enthralling its story is or how thrilling an adventure it will take you on until you actually get a chance to spend a few hours in its company. After all, in terms of engine, Planescape: Torment and Icewind Dale were created with the same Baldur's Gate tech, just with radically different design priorities.

So, when we get the chance to talk to Feargus, we first try to ascertain what sort of single-player game these veterans of the genre are aiming for. Let's get down to it.

Eurogamer: In the demonstration you shown us some of the mechanic changes you've implemented, but what about your general approach? What sort of game are you building with the tools?

Feargus Urquhart: I've always looked at Neverwinter as a combat-centric RPG, in comparison to something like Planescape: Torment. It's a little more focused on the strategy of combat. So, with that, we didn't want to lose more from the story side of things - that's one of the reasons we added the companions; to give the player more to do. One of the core things we tried to do was try to give more things for the player to do and be interested in rather than just go and kill something. How we've done it is via the companions, but we've also done it by... well, one of the things we tried to do is to make things about the player.

'Neverwinter Nights 2' Screenshot 1

Eurogamer: Could you elaborate on that a little?

Feargus Urquhart: We often come up with these RPG stories, where there's a world where there's badness and you have to go and kill the bad-guy yourself. We don't really connect the player to it, other than "Oh - the world's going to die... so you better care about it." What we've tried to do is take the game in a direction where you understand how things affect your character.

Eurogamer: At which point we'll interject, breaking the illusion that this is a real transcript of exactly what was discussed to warn you that there's plot elements which some would consider spoilers in Feargus' next answer. They're more about your motivation than anything else but some people are awfully precious about these things...

Feargus Urquhart: For example, at the start of the story you're in West Harbour. In the second part, there's an invasion of the village by these extra-planar beings and the whole village pushes them off. And eventually you discover they were there for you. And they were there for you because when you were just a baby when a big war culminated in West Harbour between the Githyanki and this Sorcerer. At the end of the battle there was a giant explosion, and what had happened was that the sword of the commander of the Githyanki basically explodes. And shatters. And not just shatters so there's a piece underneath the desk... but scatters across the planes. What you find out is that there's a piece in you, which is why these people are all after you.

Eurogamer: And, now we look again, there are spoilers in the next bit too. Skip again!

Feargus Urquhart: That's not the overarching story in games in essence - in that it's not just about you figuring out how to get this thing out of you - but it's something that connects you to what's going on. If there's any kind of direction we try to take in the story, then it has to be something that makes sense with you. So the Githyanki are after you, then you have to discover why they're after you and then why this thing is in you, and when you get to Neverwinter... well, it's not just that you turn up at the big city and the Mayor walks up and says "Can you save the world?"

'Neverwinter Nights 2' Screenshot 2

Eurogamer: You've added directly-controlled companions to the game, including similar influencing systems as seen in Knights of the Old Republic 2. Care to talk a little about who we'll be travelling with?

Feargus Urquhart: There are all different kinds. We tried to make them interesting. There's a dwarf. There's a Tiefling. There's a Githyanki. All I can say about them is that we try to make that you understand very quickly what they're about, so you can place them in your head so you can grasp why they'll be interesting to travel with. But the idea is, after that... you understand who they are and why they joined you, but as time goes on you'll understand more and more of their compulsions. As you went along more and more with your companions, you understood more and more what they wanted. What we wanted to do is that as you figure it out in Neverwinter, what you want to do and what they want to do divulge, which creates conflict and them basically wandering off to do their own thing or leaving. It makes the story and the world seem more real, as it's not just you being in complete control. If whatever you do or say has no effect, it just becomes you going through the motions.

Eurogamer: The difference between this and other character-heavy RPGs in your back history is that it's high-fantasy set in the Forgotten Realms. Planescape was a fantasy story, but of a very different kind. In Knights of the Old Republic 2 we're exploring the Star Wars universe in a way that's still relatively new, while this is straight fantasy. Is it more difficult to grow something fresh in such well-ploughed creative soil?

Feargus Urquhart: Yeah, it's harder. Whenever you go for real traditional fantasy you can fall back too much into the stereotypes. Dwarves have to be this way. Elves have to be that way. It's definitely easy to fall into those things, so those designers have to really fight that and come up with interesting characters. It's like any movie or book or game, in that the genre is the setting - it's not everything. You can't allow it to be everything. Like the Middle-Earth movies. The characters are interesting, and they happen to be in Middle-Earth. It's the same thing as this - you want interesting characters that happen to be in a Forgotten Realms world. Don't let the high-level fantasy determine what you are.

Come back tomorrow for Feargus on Obsidian's method of game creation, why characters are important and whether a game losing its lead designer at this stage in the development is something we all should be worried about.

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Tejstar
05/04/06 @ 11:05
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Oooooh, big fan of the first one. Second one is shaping up well!
Pike
05/04/06 @ 11:05
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Oh god I can't wait. I want this game now.
gaijin
05/04/06 @ 11:09
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hmmm. so you're still fated to save the world by defeating the ultimate evil, only this time you have a bit of the backstory to discover? better, but that's still a furrow that's been ploughed pretty deep.

I'm still interested, because the actual gameplay could still be a winner, but this doesn't sound like its subverting too many high fantasy stereotypes just yet.
Dizzy
05/04/06 @ 11:15
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Loved the first one and some of the mods were amazing. Bring it on!
The_Aardvark
05/04/06 @ 11:17
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Even if the included campaign is no more than average I'll still be getting this (assuming my PC can run it). Some of the mods for the last one were amazing and I can't wait to see what's possible with the follow-up.
Xerx3s
05/04/06 @ 11:18
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This is made of win & own. :)
Mho7276501
05/04/06 @ 11:26
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does anyone know if the main campaign will be multiplayer co-op like in the first game?
Pac
05/04/06 @ 11:30
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I never got on with NWN as I thought it was a big step back from Baldur's Gate.

The lack of control over your companions (and lack of them) and the impersonal 3D graphics turned me right off (not that I am averse to 3D per se).

Always thought it was more of a hack and slash (or "combat-centric", if you prefer) boredom-fest.

However If NWN2 is anywhere near as good as Oblivion, I could be persuaded. The graphics certainly look like a big improvement.
Twinkle
05/04/06 @ 11:32
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Can't wait for this. Roll on June!
Moonprince
05/04/06 @ 11:37
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Yeah Yeah Yeahs :)

I guess no one else noticed ;)
Amajiro
05/04/06 @ 11:51
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Feargus Urquhart

Great name. Sounds like a character in one of his games. Captain of the guard or something.
UncleLou
05/04/06 @ 12:00
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I never got on with NWN as I thought it was a big step back from Baldur's Gate.

The lack of control over your companions (and lack of them) and the impersonal 3D graphics turned me right off (not that I am averse to 3D per se).


I agree entirely. Multiplayer was great, but the single-player was a huge disappointment compared to their older Infinity-engine games.
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05/04/06 @ 12:06
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will in appear on the mac, like nwn1?
Mr Sleep
05/04/06 @ 12:17
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I wonder if I could find Fergus in a pub around here somewhere...

Looking forward to this.
Rodafowa
05/04/06 @ 12:21
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I think you were absolutely right to try and push the interviewee about the game's plot rather than its mechanics. I gave up on the original NN when it became clear that I was going to spend the game being railroaded down a storyline that I had sod-all interest in and couldn't influence in any way

I realise that that's a sin of most CRPGs, but somehow it was less annoying in, say, Planescape (where the main plot was compelling enough that I didn't mind jumping through a few hoops to see how it developed) or Morrowind (where you had approximately a billion and one other things to pass the time if the main story didn't grip you).

Bit of a NN spoiler upcoming, just to warn you.

The "hads all I can stands, and I can't stands no more" moment came at the end of the first "chapter", when Princess Whatshername and a few mates were getting ready to do some ritual or another (lack of detail may be a condemnation of the anaemic story, but I'm willing to listen to claims that it may be a condemnation of my attention span) in the company of a couple of her Most Trusted Advisors, one of whom was amazingly, stupidly, child-of-five-could-see-it-style obviously a wrong 'un.

Despite being the honest-to-goodness hero of the city, despite spending Jeebus-knows-how-long running around the gaff collecting bits and pieces to save the place from the plague, could I get anyone at all to listen to the fact that the Grand Vizier over there was plainly going to do his Judas bit during this ritual? Could I nadgers.

Lo and indeed behold, chanting starts, blokey betrays the city, everybody acts surprised, I uninstall the game. Life's too short.
BremXJones
05/04/06 @ 12:33
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Note for all those complaining about the lack of controlling your mates in NWN1 and how it made it a bit rubbish: I'd agree with you, and it's one of the things they've changed this time around. Which I think I said. I presume I did anyway...

KG
gaijin
05/04/06 @ 12:43
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@rodafowa

he he. i feel your pain.

It's not strictly on-topic, as it wasn't an RPG, but my favourite moment like that came in Black & White. You're doing ok. Suddenly, your outpost village, a vital stepping stone for launching attacks into enemy territory, is attacked by a pack of ravening wolves summoned by your enemy and destroyed. Try playing on - fuxxored. can't even reach his outposts with my spells. reload, try and destroy wolves quickly as they race towards village. Fail. Reload. Keep at it men, we NEED THAT VILLAGE! eventually, after some sleight of hand with fireballs i never knew i could muster, all the wolves are dead. DEAD. ha ha. hahahaha. HAHAHAHAHA... wait, what's this - the same cut scene. Showing the entire, undestroyed, not-even-singed pack of wolves wiping out my village.

Uninstall.

Linear plot events. You've got to love em.
mezzomorto
05/04/06 @ 12:54
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IMHO, the only truely fun way to play NWN was in multiplayer co-op, and at least you have a captive audience whom you can slag off the weak plotlines to...
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Inigo
05/04/06 @ 13:00
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The original NWN only added hanchman at the last minute, i think it only took a week to add them. The single player game was not the main forcus of the game.

In KOTOR2 and planescape obsidian made some of the most memorable companions in any RPG. I've got alot of hope that this game will be really good.
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05/04/06 @ 13:05
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I WANT THIS A LOT!

OBSIDIAN AND BLACK ISLE FTW!



And regarding the companions, Yeah you did Kieron and it sounds a lot better than NWN but not if they've gone the Kotor route I'll feel a bit disappointed. I want a free moving camera and a chance to position my companions before attacking someone.

That's tactics for me.
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miiiguel
05/04/06 @ 13:06
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I'd like to see this in X360.
How do you guys do when deciding in buying a PC game, imagine you buy this game, just to arrive home and figure out that it really sucks in your HW ?, I put myself this question all the time, and ultimatelly don't buy the game.
Pike
05/04/06 @ 13:08
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Err...

Say what, miiiguel?
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05/04/06 @ 13:12
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miiiguel: Demos.
miiiguel
05/04/06 @ 13:19
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I guess demos is the way to go..., although it wears off some feeling of novelty, and "WOW factor", when apreciating the "real" thing... . But there's no other option, I guess - no way to believe in the "minimum requirements BS". That's one reason why I'm enjoying X360 so much...
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gaijin
05/04/06 @ 13:53
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@disc

for a moment there I thought you meant the govt had a think-tank dedicated to rpgs

http://www.demos.co.uk
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05/04/06 @ 14:00
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I guess demos is the way to go..., although it wears off some feeling of novelty, and "WOW factor", when apreciating the "real" thing...

Good point, I feel the same way, but I am too weak to resist a demo. :)
Pike
05/04/06 @ 14:07
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I doubt there wil be any NWN 2 demos, though. A demo for a narrative heavy CRPG really won't be much use.
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05/04/06 @ 14:11
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The big pull of NWN wasn't the campaign. That sucked. They clearly didn't put much effort into it. It was better with friends, but still pretty average.

I spent much more time on the downloadable modules, many of which were far better than the official ones.

Yeah, it's generic fantasy blah blah. You can still tell a great story in that setting.
Pike
05/04/06 @ 14:18
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I didn't think the main campaign was all that bad. It was a bit ho hum, but I still enjoyed it.

However some fan made modules, such as Dreamcatcher and Shadowlords, still pissed on the OC from a great height.
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The problem wasn't the story, for me, but the gameplay - the lack of a party meant the tactical element was missing, while it never really provoded any real hack-and-slash action RPG fun, either. And it all looked pretty bland due to the tiles, in particular the landscapes.
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Hmm, NWN, Morrowind or even Dungeon Siege, 2002 simply showed that rpg's took the step to 3D graphics a bit too soon imo. Those games never came close to the charm 2D rpg's had at that time. The editors were a big plus of course but those are no excuse for disappointing artistic design.

Looking forward to NWN2 though, it seems they improved a lot of stuff.
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@ UncleLou, Ryuken

Couldn't agree more. Let's hope they can improve the situation with NWN2.

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