Overachiever For a Day

John Teti attempts to earn 10,000 gamerpoints in 24 hours.

At some point around the 22nd hour without sleep - as I forced myself to play Hannah Montana: The Movie: The Game whether I liked it or not - I asked myself, "How did it come to this?" But I was near the end of my quest: to play the Xbox 360 for 24 hours straight and rack up as many gamerpoints as possible.

See, I noticed recently that Xbox 360 Achievements were starting to encroach on my gaming worldview. I have no interest in PS3 Trophies or the medals they hand out on Flash-game sites, but I'm a sucker for the allure of the Gamerscore. I found myself returning to mediocre games to scrimp an extra 50 points, or wasting time on joyless tasks like feather-hunting in Assassin's Creed II.

I intended to break myself of this predilection. (Let's not call it an "addiction.") I like Achievements, but I wanted them to be a sideshow rather than the main event. I figured that if I could boost my Gamerscore in one insane, all-out blaze of glory, maybe the points wouldn't have such a hold on me anymore. It would be like smoking a whole pack of cigarettes at once to break your nicotine habit.

Look, I didn't say it was a good plan. Just a plan.

26th May, 10am - Madden NFL 06

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The beginning. Optimism reigns supreme.

My coach, so to speak, was Knuckles Dawson, a self-described "Achievement whore" who makes a living as a Gamerscore maven at Achievement Hunter. Prior to the marathon, Knuckles gave me some advice by way of Skype videoconference. I learned that his Gamerscore was north of 150,000 ("which is high, I suppose," he said with no irony), and I shared my own score of 13,460, and suddenly one of us felt like something less of a man. I won't say who.

Knuckles was a benevolent sage, though, never condescending to his pupil. (Far more affable and eloquent, in fact, than you might have guessed from the whole "whore" moniker.) As we assembled a rough list of games for the marathon, he estimated that I could get 7500 to 10,000 points in the run. Pish-posh to this 7500, I thought. 10,000 immediately became the number to hit.

At the beginning of the run, though, that lofty figure seemed ludicrous. I began with Madden 06 - one of many Knuckles-recommended sports games - and after more than an hour, my tally was a piddling 180 points. I'd only manage 4000 points or so at that rate, I calculated, because at this early stage I still had the ability to do arithmetic.

A blowout win in the Super Bowl (New England 35 - 9 Washington) brought me up to 500 points, but that was after 90 minutes of work. And the fact that it already felt like "work" was not a promising sign.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 500
  • Total: 500

26th May, 11.30am - Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection

The Achievement-whoring subculture has dedicated the greatest minds of its generation to solving the problem of getting "cheevos" in the easiest way possible. Thanks to the braintrust at Xbox360Achievements.org, I knew that in order to get the "Blast Processing" achievement on Sonic's Genesis Collection, I only had to load the title screen of all 28 games and quit back to the main menu. And indeed, after doing so, the game gave me 50 points for "playing" all of the titles.

I dipped into Ecco The Dolphin to get 10 points for talking to another dolphin, something you can do in the first 30 seconds of the game. I swam up to the first dolphin I saw and struck up a meaningless conversation with him. "I feel so used," he said. Piss off, dolphin.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 60
  • Total: 560

26th May, 11.45am - Hannah Montana: The Movie

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What young girl hasn't fantasised about giving a concert at a petting zoo?

This is the story of a young rock starlet who's just an old-fashioned girl from the American Midwest, where all the real Americans live, because apparently people on the coasts ("Hollywood people" in the game's parlance) are dishonest scum. It's also what's known in the cheevo biz as an "easy 1000."

Hannah and her alter ego, Miley Stewart, would be my companions for the next three hours as I saved idyllic Crowley Meadows from a cold-hearted developer who wants to build a mall in the centre of town. Hannah combats this evil by fantasising about singing and by helping the local hot dude repaint a chicken coop.

After five-starring the Guitar Hero Jr. sequences on all of Hannah's songs (sample lyrics: "Boom de-clap de-clap clap / Boom-boom clap, come on here we go") and saving my small town, I had 850 points.

The game's last 150 could be acquired by shopping and by riding Blue Jeans 10 times. Riding Blue Jeans is less exciting than it sounds - you steer Hannah's idiot horse down an obstacle course while she hollers out cowgirl-isms like "Woo-wee!" and "Yee-ha!" and "Liberals control the media!" I figured I would never be so desperate for Gamerpoints that I would endure that monotony nine more times.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 850
  • Total: 1410

26th May, 3pm - MLB 2K6

It seems that when the Xbox 360 first came out, the good people at 2K Sports didn't quite understand the idea of Achievements. I'm guessing there was a development team meeting where the project lead got up in front of the room and said, "Microsoft says we have to put these 'Achievement' things in the game. So that players can get points."

"Points? They can already get points by scoring in the game. That's the whole idea of sports."

"No, no, these are different, outside points. They don't mean anything. They're just... other points."

Silence. A guy in the back coughs.

"Look, I don't get it either, OK? Just shove some goddamn Achievements in there. It doesn't matter. This whole Xbox 360 thing will be a huge flop anyway."

And thus all of the 2K6 games have five Achievements, each one worth hundreds of Gamerpoints. You unlock those points by adjusting the performance sliders on your team all the way up and sliding another team all the way down. This is the most challenging part, as it turns out, thanks to an atrocious interface. (How hard is it to program a slider? Quite hard, it appears.)

Then you play a game and humiliate the other team while trying not to feel dirty about the whole thing. I beat the Florida Marlins by about a million runs and earned 650 points, including 300 for the "Offensive Explosion" Achievement. It was offensive, all right.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 650
  • Total: 2060

26th May, 4.40pm - Madden NFL 07

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Madden's Achievements are impressive even by the standards of other sports games - you can get the computer to earn them for you.

In Madden 07, you can have the computer simulate games, and if the computer players "earn" Achievements, you get the Gamerpoints. I wanted a break, so I set the 2007 edition to work.

Achievements had been on my mind since this year's Game Developers Conference, where developer Chris Hecker gave a talk entitled "Achievements Considered Harmful?" Hecker had looked into the psychological research on reward systems, and he discovered that "dangling carrots" like Xbox 360 Achievements might not motivate players the way we think they do.

According to Hecker, the research shows that when you offer people a reward for completing an "interesting" task - a wonk-ish term for something a person might want to do anyway - their motivation tends to goes down.

For instance, studies showed that when kids were offered free pizza for reading books, they actually ended up reading less, not more. One theory is that when there's a reward, our brains perceive all the pleasure as coming from that big bonus at the end, so whatever we're doing to get there seems less enjoyable as a result.

The flip side of the research is that rewards motivate people pretty well for "dull" tasks - rote stuff like data entry. Hecker's fear is that as developers engineer games with more effective Achievement systems, they're actually building duller games. (FarmVille, anyone?)

"As a game designer who wants the industry to be healthy from an aesthetic standpoint and a financial standpoint, the focus for me is that dull-versus-interesting tasks thing," Hecker told me in an interview shortly before my 24-hour run.

"If it turns out that extrinsically motivating people reduces their interest in working on interesting, challenging things, then that's kind of a bummer." Hecker doesn't know whether the existing psychological research applies to Achievements, Trophies, and the rest, but he thinks some enterprising scientist ought to take a look.

I asked him for his take on the Achievement-whore phenomenon. "If you're playing bad games just to run up your Gamerscore, that's fine; there's nothing 'damaging' about it. But wow, what a boring life."

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 180
  • Total: 2240

26th May, 5.35pm - Jumper: Griffin's Story

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Jumper pushes the Xbox 360's beige-processing powers to their limit.

I haven't seen the movie Jumper, but from playing the game I gather it goes something like this: A man named Griffin possesses moderate, erratic powers of teleportation that are extremely difficult to control. His hobby is walking into a nondescript room. Often, a pack of hunched lobotomy patients also lumber into the room, and Griffin bludgeons them with his teleportation. He repeats this process until the world is saved.

Oh, and sometimes he says, "This is going to hurt you more than it hurts me," because he thinks this is funny. His is a lonely existence.

The correlation between bottom-of-the-barrel games and easy-Achievement games made me wonder if it was a marketing ploy, a crass tactic to earn a few more sales for cheap shovelware. I decided the answer was "no" for two reasons. First, the Achievement hunters tend to rent the easy-1000 titles, not buy them.

Second, as I played Jumper, I realised that the Achievements are garbage - I had 300 points in 10 minutes - for the same reason that the game stinks: The people who produced it simply didn't care.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 700
  • Total: 2940

26th May, 7.10pm - NBA 2K6

I lingered on Jumper too long, the same way you might linger over a dead animal in the road a second more than a decent person probably should. Because yes, it's gruesome and awful and sad; you know this. Then again, you rarely see anything like it.

I was behind the pace, though, so I finally wrested myself away and turned to NBA 2K6. Same deal as before: my sliders way up and the other team's sliders way down, for the first complete 1000-point game of the evening.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 1000
  • Total: 3940

26th May, 8.34pm - Galaga

26th May, 9pm - Hasbro's Family Game Night

26th May, 9.42pm - NHL 2K6

My fellow games-writer friend Ryan Kuo showed up for this stretch of gaming, ostensibly to lend a hand. He spent the first half hour trying to order shoes on his iPhone. "They're really nice shoes," he said.

We launched Connect Four on Family Game Night, and I glanced at the cheat sheet on Xbox360Achievements.org while Ryan signed in as Player 2. "OK, to unlock this one, Player 1 has to go first," I said. On the screen, Mr. Potato Head flipped a coin to see who would begin play. Player 2 won.

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Denmark's leading exports include farm equipment, natural gas, and terrible video-game hockey players.

"What do we do now?" Ryan asked.

"I guess we'll just start the game again," I said. So we did. Eight goddamn times. Mr. Potato Head just kept on flipping that coin for Player 2. Have you ever had murderous thoughts about a potato? Because I wanted to grab that cheating, starchy, tuberous freak and gouge his eyes out. And yes, I know his eyes pop right out anyway, but I wanted to gouge them out. There's a difference.

We moved on to ice hockey. The online achievement guide for NHL 2K6 instructed, "Pick a good team, and than [sic] make your opponant [sic] Denmark, because Denmark has horrible stats." Thus the author managed to offend two populations: the Danish and fans of the letter "E."

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 75 (Galaga) + 275 (Family Game Night) + 700 (NHL 2K6)
  • Total: 4990

26th May, 10.45pm - Madden NFL 08

With practically 5000 points at the halfway mark - right on pace - I should have been in good spirits. In fact, I was deep into an underbelly of gaming that I was starting to think I should have left alone.

The word "Achievement" had taken on a farcical quality. Everything I did was an achievement only in the barest sense. Somewhere in Africa, unpaid volunteers were serving meals to starving children and receiving no recognition whatsoever. I was cheating to win pretend football games and being rewarded for my fine achievements.

Sure, as a kid, I had fantasies about winning the Super Bowl by a score of 110 to 3. Not this way, though. With my shady behind-the-scenes slider chicanery, I was committing the virtual equivalent of dropping roofies in the opposing team's Gatorade. Yet the Xbox 360 kept showering me with praise.

"650 Yards on Offense! How glorious, sir! 30 Gamerpoints!"

"Intercept 3 Passes! We are humbled by your magnificence! 20 Gamerpoints!"

"150 Rushing Yards in One Quarter! Would that we could pay you tribute with all the Gamerpoints in the world, your godliness!"

I didn't deserve these accolades, but let's not kid ourselves - 13 hours into this adventure, I wasn't exactly going to turn them down either.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 670
  • Total: 5660

27th May, 12.02am - Lost: Via Domus

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The Lost finale explained.

Touted on Achievement-whore message boards as a three-hour pleasure cruise to 1000 points, Lost: Via Domus proved to be anything but. It was a quagmire of baroque interfaces and unskippable cut-scenes. Around 2am, Eurogamer's own Ellie Gibson gave me a ring to check in on my progress. I shared my tale of woe: two hours and only 265 points to show for it. "Can you not just let it go and do something more productive?" she said.

"I can't let it go!" I whined. See, all the high-point Achievements were stacked toward the end of the game, and I'd put all this time in. "I've invested too much to quit now." I had fallen headfirst into the classic, diabolical trap of Achievements, but I was too stubborn to admit it.

An hour later, having tacked on another 140 Gamerpoints and falling farther off the pace, I realised that Ellie was right and cut my losses.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 405
  • Total: 6065

27th May, 3am - TMNT

27th May, 3.14am - Galaga

27th May, 3.20am - Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian

Panic. My point total had stalled, and I scanned the pile of games scattered across my living room floor. I'd spent the last few weeks going from shop to shop, picking up easy-cheevo titles wherever I could find them. I'd even put together a spreadsheet mapping out my run, but Lost: Via Dumbass had blown that all to hell.

I tried TMNT, but the points were coming at a trickle. Abort! I went back to the XBLA port of Galaga, for reasons that I don't recall. Abort!

I had an ace in the hole - a fast, surefire recipe for 1000 points - but I didn't want to go there yet. Then, like so many before me, I was calmed by the warmth and benevolence of my savior, Ben Stiller. Somebody had created a game of his second museum movie ("Four stars!" -Museum Movie Monthly). Most of the game's Achievements are based on collectible treasures, which are "hidden" around each level in the same way that a period is hidden at the end of this sentence.

Did you find it? Congratulations, you can play Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian. And so I did, for three hours or so.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 20 (TMNT) + 0 (Galaga) + 860 (Night at the Museum)
  • Total: 6945

27th May, 6.18am - College Hoops 2K6

You know the drill with these 2K6 games by now, so here's a fun fact: Were you aware that people cheat to get Achievements? That is, beyond the garden-variety cheating that I engaged in.

"The highest Gamerscore, the legitimacy of which is questioned by some people, is over 400,000," Knuckles told me in our prep session.

I had to ask: "Why is the legitimacy questioned?"

"As soon as you put an arbitrary number next to someone, they will find ways to inflate it artificially," he said. "The old way was to modify the saves of the game. Let's say Gamer X beats a game legitimately. He posts his save file online. Then other people download it and modify that game save to be associated with their Gamertag. When they load the game, they unlock the Achievements."

If you ever feel bad about your video game habit, just reread that last paragraph and remind yourself, "At least I'm not so pathetic that I would pirate someone else's Gamerpoints." Unless you are that pathetic. In that case, you should probably sob quietly into your sofa cushions.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 850
  • Total: 7795

27th May, 7.10am - Backyard Football '10

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That's a large yard.

With less than three hours to go, I didn't see a way to reach 10,000 in time. Was I doomed to a humiliating four-digit total? I rooted around in my game pile again. On my hands and knees, I spotted Backyard Football '10 under the coffee table.

"That's not on the spreadsheet," I said to my cats.

"You're right!" they replied. Good lord, I needed sleep.

But wait, it was coming back to me. Backyard Football was never part of the plan. I'd grabbed it on a lark the day before the marathon - read about it on a forum or some such.

To the laptop! "All 10 Achievements can be done in a single game, well before the first quarter of play is even over," said the online guide. The Achievement whores had lied to me about Lost: Via Domus. I had no choice, though. I had to trust them.

They were right. 10K was within reach.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 1000
  • Total: 8795

27th May, 7.54am - NBA Live 07

27th May, 8.29am - Ms. Pac-Man

By 2007, the sports-game developers had figured out how to design Achievements that required at least a bit of skill. On this day in 2010, that presented a problem.

I only needed a couple hundred points from NBA Live 07, but my hands were shaky, my vision was bleary, and my motor control was spotty. Online tips like "hold L1 while rotating the right analog stick" seemed impossibly arcane to me. "Such a manoeuvre is impossible!" my fingers declared.

After a half hour of stumbling and bumbling around the court, though, those 200 points were mine. Throughout this whole escapade, this was the only "Achievement Unlocked" that made me feel like I had accomplished something.

I went to the Xbox 360 dashboard and launched Ms. Pac-Man, where I knew I could get five Gamerpoints for eating cherries in the first level. That brought me to an even 9000.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 200 (NBA Live 07) + 5 (Ms. Pac-Man)
  • Total: 9000

27th May, 8.35am - Avatar: The Last Airbender: The Burning Earth

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You might get a couple hundred Gamerpoints just by looking at this Avatar screenshot.

It was time.

Some developers spend their whole careers trying to produce a memorable work, and some stumble into it. The makers of Avatar: The Burning Earth probably thought they were making a humble, unremarkable action game based on a TV cartoon. In short order, however, their creation became the stuff of legend - the easiest 1,000 Gamerpoints on the planet.

Here's how to unlock the Achievements in Avatar. Step 1: Launch game. Step 2: Wait for loading screens. Step 3: Press B repeatedly until you earn 1000 GP. How long will this take, you ask? Not as long as Steps 1 and 2.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 1000
  • Total: 10,000

27th May, 8.50am - Hannah Montana: The Movie

27th May, 9.21am - Lost: Via Domus

It didn't seem proper to simply stop at 10,000 - the idea was to go 24 hours whether I hit my goal or not - but I also didn't have the wherewithal to learn a new game. So I did something I swore I'd never do: I went back to Hannah Montana to ride Blue Jeans again and again. Once the old nag gave up the 50 points, I thanked him and sent him off the to glue factory.

Finally, resigned to the fact that The Island wasn't done with me yet, I danced with the smoke monster for a while until my phone alarm went off. Time up.

  • Gamerpoints acquired: 150 (Hannah Montana) + 140 (Lost)
  • Total: 10,290

Epilogue

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The end. Everything seems more official when you write it on a whiteboard.

The most surprising thing about this experiment is that it kind of worked. I can't imagine ever chasing Achievement points again. I racked up more than 10,000 points without performing any in-game feats that were even marginally noteworthy. It's hard not to feel silly about the whole Gamerscore obsession after that experience.

To be sure, I purposely sampled the most poorly designed examples from the Achievement crop. My favorite Achievements have always been the ones that encourage you to play a game in a new way, or to discover some part of the world you wouldn't have explored otherwise. Finish BioShock without using any Vita-Chambers. Go to the highest point on the Just Cause 2 island. Leap your car over a Hextadon in Brütal Legend.

The revelation of my 24-hour descent into madness, though, was that I don't need an arbitrary bonus to make those things enjoyable. That's not to say I've soured on Achievements altogether. Far from it. I'll still use them as guideposts to a game's undiscovered experiences.

I just don't care much about the little grey "Achievement Unlocked" box anymore. It's such an underwhelming destination; why let it distract from the journey? I'm at peace with my approach to gaming again, and I think that's a pretty great achiev-- uh, a pretty great thing that I did.

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  • Zomoniac #1 2 years ago

    I'm guessing he failed to notice the "Press A 30 times and wait a bit" achievement for 400G on Madden 06?

    And yeah, Blue Jeans is a bit annoying after a few goes. Awesome game though. Do the hoedown throwdown :)
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 11:29
  • Mayhem64 #2 2 years ago

    Hah hah... great article. I was waiting for Avatar, my only disappointment is that you left it pretty much until last :p
  • Zidargh #3 2 years ago

    I don't admire the gamer score. I admire the dedication. Because my lord would that have bored the shit out of me.

    Next article: Gamer ACTUALLY gets square eyes.
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 11:25
  • dr_faulk #4 2 years ago

    You fucker. You've just blown three years of my life out of the water.
  • andijames #5 2 years ago

    I'm actually impressed it didn't RROD after 24 hours non stop hammering :) My PS3 makes a racket now after half an hour!
  • JensonJet #6 2 years ago

    Gamerscore hunters really are pathetic. As this article shows. There's absolutely no skill involved. If anyone wanted to put a load of Gamerscore to their name the easiest way would be to hire as many games as you could afford. Games always give out much more GS in the early part of playing. But who would be THAT pathetic?

    Personally I play the games I like. And if I love a game I continue playing, get better at it and complete it. But that's me. I don't need a carrott dangling in front of me to build up the enthusiasm to play. I certainly don't need a stupid number beside my name that shows A) how much money I spend on gaming, and B) how much time I play games.
  • Physically_Insane #7 2 years ago

    Impressive yet so pointless.
  • andywilkie35 #8 2 years ago

    Enjoyable read, great article :)
  • Fab4 #9 2 years ago

    People going for gamerscores arent pathetic, per-say. The ones who are pathetic, are the ones who somehow think having a 'large one' (ooh-er, missus) makes you a better human being than someone who doesnt. That they somehow make you more attractive to the opposite sex or make all your points in an argument valid.

    The number of times I've seen people say on the xbox.com forums..."What do you know? Look at your gamerscore".

    Plus, online achievements have basically fucked over every game they were ever introduced to...and for that I am sad.
  • Azazel #10 2 years ago

    There's nothing quite like a man in pursuit of pyrrhic-victory.
  • brokenkey #11 2 years ago

    Is that some kind of cat toy in the room? Or a soft lined guillotine?
  • matrim83 #12 2 years ago

    I learned that his Gamerscore was north of 150,000 ("which is high, I suppose," he said with no irony), and I shared my own score of 13,460, and suddenly one of us felt like something less of a man.

    Wow its just like that scene from American Psycho with the cards. :p
  • carrotcake #13 2 years ago

    10,000 G was my goal for this console generation. I wanted to get there while Xbox 360 was still on sale. Crossed that milestone probably last year, having been a 360 player since maybe a month after the console launched.
  • Valis #14 2 years ago

    This is the best thing I've read on Eurogamer. Great article :)
  • Dr_Wadd #15 2 years ago

    You should have included that Doritos game that was available on the US marketplace (if it is still available). I managed to get 190 out of 200 gamer points within about 20 minutes, and the only reason I didn`t get the final 10 was because I had no-one to play multiplayer with.

    I would also have thrown in Saw, as you could get a few cheap points with the achievement you get for doing nothing with your character for a few minutes, surely that could coincide with a toilet break ;)
  • linksdad #16 2 years ago

    Ha not bothered about GP's!Thats what you say after your 24 hour marathon.
    Wait until you have had a sleep and your craving will be more than it was before this experiment.

    I love my gamerpoints, but I dont (often) do repetitive crap to get them. I once fancied myself getting more than 50% potential gamer points, but there are so many crap games and crapper acheivements out there, unless you pick your games very carefully it must be quite difficult (and boring) to do.

    Edit: Removed the obligatory typo.
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 14:06
  • wizlon #17 2 years ago

    Wasn't the King Kong game good for achievements? wouldn't know as I haven't played it. I still like achievements, they make me play games that I enjoy anyway. Like I'm loving getting all golds in split/second because I quite fancy the 130 points for fully completing it. Multiplayer achievements can burn in hell though, 1000 kills with the pistol in a ranked match... f**k off!
  • secombe #18 2 years ago

    7hrs in you sailed past my total points from the past 6 months since I bought my 360 :)

    Cracking article anyway, a great read. It does go to show how pointless your actual total Gamerscore is though in terms of skill and time spent playing...it takes 60-100hrs to get 80 points on Forza 3, yet you can get 1000 points in 20 minutes in some games.
  • Zidargh #19 2 years ago

    This reminds me of a time at university when I entered the lounge to find my housemate playing Bully and despite a look of anguish on his face, he was picking flowers or drinking sodas over... and over... and over... and over... again. That is when I noticed a problem.
  • Geordiemp #20 2 years ago

    Well, if anyone ever thinks they have a good gamerscore, you link them to this article.

    For me, it just says I play allot of games. Have Ps3 and 360, and spread them based on what the game is.

    Never looked at my achievement score or trophies for the obvious reasons.
  • Toothball #21 2 years ago

    Tales of misery and suffering always make for great articles.
  • dupplawt #22 2 years ago

    I've played Lost Via Domus and Avatar Burning Earth or w/e it's called and got 1000G from both, Avatar was actually hilarious. The Lost game was awful.
  • sickpuppysoftware #23 2 years ago

    Did you create a binder?
  • Old_Books #24 2 years ago

    I like achievements but don't give a monkeys about my gamer score. That's the one thing I would get MS to change for their next console; find something other than points that unlock for achievements. Oh yeah, and get rid of the multiplayer/online ones. Won't happen though.
  • BillyBrush #25 2 years ago

    I do think you could have saved yourself some time - like just looked at the games and figured it out...seems a bit of a gruelling experiment to state the obv.

    Shirley if you played those to work out if gaming as a whole was pointless the surmation would be that it is? (and, i guess it'd probably be correct)

    I think good challenges in good games are Ok, bad one's, in bad games notsomuch, again, possibly obvious, but that seems to be a productive theme...i suppose.

    Can we 'challenge' this chap to write another article, i'm thinking

    'Finding the meaning of life'

    Or

    'Is water really essential?'


  • sneetch #26 2 years ago

    Great article, Mass Effect ended any need I felt for whoring achievements. Looking at the list for that game and trying to figure out how I could get them completely destroyed my desire to put any effort into getting achievements and also, sadly, any desire to play the game.

    Got it on PC later which was much better. I think it's better if there's no score associated with achievements/trophies like on Steam or PS3. Without some gamer score to inflate they become much more "oh that's nice, an achievement/trophy" and far less "I have to get those!"
  • GaidenZero #27 2 years ago

    Chris Hecker has it spot on - "If you're playing bad games just to run up your Gamerscore, that's fine; there's nothing 'damaging' about it. But wow, what a boring life."

    I rarely have time to play the games I want to play, so why waste time on games you don't like. Rather than a big GS, I'm more wowed by those achievements you know where tough to get - like for a stupildy long streak in Guitar Hero or whatever.

    Edited the quote source - was Chris Hecker who said this, not Knuckles who I originally quoted. Apologies
    Edited by 1 at 05/06/10 @ 22:48
  • nuanimal #28 2 years ago

    Actually I would like to say FUCK YOU EA for the shittest achievement to ever grace fucking game... That's right it's the Bad Loser motherfuking acheivement in FIFA 10.

    You get it for disconnecting 5 times from a match... A bloody achievement for griefing? Fuck you.

  • JimmyT67 #29 2 years ago

    I can see him not caring about achievements anymore, being an achievement whore like that means you pay with your soul ;)

    but when like me you're playing a game that is hard - i.e last night on BF2 i played my best MP ever scoring 19000 points in one round and unlocking a couple of gamerscore acheivements along the way, i was buzzing...

    when that happens it feels good and you feel like you earnt those acheivements.
  • Psychotext #30 2 years ago

    Complete and utter nutter.
  • The_Sonic_Mole #31 2 years ago

    @nuanimal Yeah but you get 0 gs for that Achievement. It's just the Achievement version of being tarred and feathered... ;)
  • GaidenZero #32 2 years ago

    @JimmyT67 - Exactly and anyone who checks your achievements will also be wowed :) That's what makes achievements so good.

    @nuanimal - whilst I see your point and suspect you may well be right about people deliberately pulling the plug on games, is this an achievement you would really want? I can see why EA did it.
  • lucky_jim #33 2 years ago

    I think the only game I've ever tried to consciously chase achievements on is Geometry Wars 2, because they sounded like fun, rock-hard challenges. Unfortunately I suck, so I failed miserably.

    There's one thing you've not addressed though. How do you feel having Hannah Montana and Jumper and the rest indelibly tied to your gamertag? I think I'd feel pretty grubby!

    Oh, and it's a full stop, not a "period".
  • MrGilder #34 2 years ago

    Achievement Unlocked: Pointless, much?
  • sfp_noodle #35 2 years ago

    Avatar: Legend of Aang (should be re-named Legend of the 1,000 GS) is quite possiby the greatest rental ever. A few mates and I chipped in to rent it about a year ago. It took us all 2 minutes approx to bump our GS up by 1,000. We were laughing like crazy! I normally refuse to play games that have achievements that require unflinching dedication or are just plain shit to play. Avatar is a truely unique game. It seems you do nothing but press B repeatedly for a couple of minutes yet the reward is utterly hysterical.

    I have a cousin who played Eragon THREE timeon different difficulties to get a 1,000 GS. He felt utterly disgusted once he saw me play Avatar and realised that the torture he put himself through could have been avoided completely :p
  • loopholezero #36 2 years ago

  • gospvg #37 2 years ago

    I agree with the comment about PS3 Trophies - I had no interest in them when I had my PS3 breifly but on the 360 I will check to see what tasks you have to complete to unlock an achievement. Although I do hate some stupid achievements like in FFXIII the treasure hunter & 5 star all the missions - i'll pass on these when completing the game
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 12:29
  • DiamondIce #38 2 years ago

    I don't think I'd have the willpower to play most of those games over a year let alone that timescale.

    I don't chase gamerscores as most of them mean little-to-nothing, but some are held with some level of pride like Mile High on COD4, Smile on Geo Wars and all the agility orbs on Crackdown.

    I like ones that test you, not ones that make you play in a different way.

    Edit:

    I've been on the official Xbox 360 forum and the times I have read people asking for a list of games for easy points (Avatar alert) on is quite sad. Why waste your life on games you are not playing to enjoy?
    Edited by 2 at 04/06/10 @ 12:31
  • YobRenoops #39 2 years ago

    I feel more of a connect with Trophies to be honest. The Bronze, Silver and Gold are a good three way method of how difficult a trophy is. And I think a platinum is much better than just having 1000/1000 (which can be messed up when there's DLC).
  • Sunyavadin #40 2 years ago

    I still take the piss out of fellow EG user Sanctusmortis. Because he picked up a brand new copy of King Kong for 50p in a bargain bin (About 3 months after it was released, no less - a testament to the quality of the game) AND SUBJECTED HIMSELF TO AN ENTIRE AFTERNOON OF IT just for the guaranteed 1000 gamerscore.

    I mock him, but I suppose he's deserving of some sympathy. After all, he did play that game to completion.
  • Enzeru #41 2 years ago

    Well personally I tend to "hunt" cheeves, but I never play a game just for the cheeves, I just like getting 100% cleared in a game. Did this with games I played before the 360 even (like getting all the summons and beating all the Weapons in FF7 etc). There are whores and there are completionists!

    Also, there're achievements and there're achievements. You try playing through AvP on Nightmare, that was a real bitch.
  • secombe #42 2 years ago

    I like ones that test you, not ones that make you play in a different way.

    Not so sure on that, I never drift in Forza 3, for example, but the 100,000 points drift in one lap achievement seemed like good fun, a reasonably tough challenge and the opportunity to try something I wouldn't normally go near.

    If the devs have put something in the game which is pretty cool they now have a way of getting quite a few people to try it out, which will hopefully add to the longevity of the title as well.
  • BBIAJ #43 2 years ago

    Why would you hold down L1 in an Xbox 360 game!?
  • duckncover #44 2 years ago

    "At least I'm not so pathetic that I would pirate someone else's Gamerpoints."

    And yet I would find this far more enjoyable than unlocking them legitimately. I can't stand Gamerpoints, I have a 360 and I don't know what my Gamerscore is and this makes me very happy. In fact, I avoid looking at my Gamerscore as much as possible, I wish there was a way to turn it off so that I don't accidentally look at it and remember it.

    Actually, someone gaining points through "piracy" is arguably less pathetic than someone that loads up a game they can't stand and plays for hours just to get a bigger arbitrary number.
  • swissorc #45 2 years ago

    excellent article. Very funny. Enough said
  • duckncover #46 2 years ago

    @mickey2010
    I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or congratulate you. I am so detached from any connection to an arbitrary score when I play games, I really cannot relate. I am not conveying this to create an argument, but I thought it might be interesting to hear an opinion from someone that really doesn't get it. Then again I think I might be the only person who hasn't played Farmville... related?

    Does this also affect your enjoyment of a game that isn't available on the 360? How skewed is your view of a game if Gamerpoints are hard to get or too easy?
  • higganos #47 2 years ago

    I must admit that I myself am a bit of a whore when it comes to gamerscore. I, um, er...joined GAME's rental service just in order to play games I normally wouldn't buy just to boost my gamerscore. I still have no idea why I did this...especially after avatar TLA:TBE got played for 2 minutes, 1000 points gained, disc popped back in the envelope and posted forthwith. I think the game was in my house for a total of 10 minutes all in. Had a right good look at myself after that one I can tell you.

    Then I bought a PS3 last month to play the exclusives at much cheapness and the first time that little chime popped up with "you have won a bronze trophy".....

    *click*

    AAAAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 12:57
  • toa_boa #48 2 years ago

    the online achievement guide for NHL 2K6 instructed, "Pick a good team, and than [sic] make your opponant [sic] Denmark, because Denmark has horrible stats." Thus the author managed to offend two populations: the Danish and fans of the letter "E."

    He, at least we danes got vindicated at the 10-05-2010, where we beat the US team during the ice hockey world championship :D
  • Geordiemp #49 2 years ago

    Heres a post for a few negs.....come on avatar and ony lovers

    Often the users who adamantly defend LIVE gold pricing are also into gamer scores....

    Note the users who say the bought X game for 1000 quick points are the ones who argue the benefits of X game chat.

    Having both consoles, I dont care. Some achievments, such as say beating ME2 on Insantiy as crazy Vanguard are worth it, most are not. I think achievements listed by game name would be more meaningful.

    If someone has a really big gamer score, that can be a neg in my book as it looks a bit sad - I have image of them riding that little pony for a few hours going weeee hahah.

    For Ps3 torphies, it lists your medals by game type, you cant buy lmy little pony to get some trophies as you will look silly !!!!! Getting the UC2 achievemnt of beating the COOP on cruashing is some achievment, its mental.
    Edited by 2 at 04/06/10 @ 14:04
  • duckncover #50 2 years ago

    @mickey2010
    But space invaders is a skill game, where you need to improve to get a bigger score and that score is a reflection of your improvement. With Gamerscore not being necessarily related to skill I see a big difference in this.

    Bear in mind I used to frequent the arcades (I'm pretty old) and used to have my name on some of the local ones and I was very proud of that. But having my name appear on Virtua Fighter seems vastly different to being given a number that can be achieved through spurious means.
  • altitude2k #51 2 years ago

    Meh....I still like getting achievements.
  • duckncover #52 2 years ago

    Out of interest, what does everyone think when they see someone with a score much greater or much less than there own? I won't say because my score is unknown to me and therefore everyone else's is irrelevant. Well that's perhaps not entirely true, I know from these and other articles what a huge score is... but I just choose to ignore others scores as well.
  • Eighthours #53 2 years ago

    Great article, John. Loved it. :)
  • Lebowski #54 2 years ago

    Playing games you don't like just to up your gamerscore, to me, is just daft - but I do love gamerpoints and achievements as an idea.

    For certain games, the games you like, getting the 1000(plus) just gives you a buzz - you've handled everything the games and its devs threw at you. There's a sense of completion, that the world is okay, and you can get back to work, eating food and apologising to the girlfriend.

    What spoils it are the easy 1000s, and the nigh-on impossible ones that only an unemployed thumb ninja could only hope to unlock, and only then if he played on the 7th of the month.

    But the good achievemnets - the difficult but just on the tip of possible ones - make Achievements brilliant. I can't be the only person on here who swore like a trooper and cracked open a tinny after getting Cod4's Mile High Club ... only to then start loving / hating WaW's 'For the Motherland'.
  • Geordiemp #55 2 years ago

    @duck and cover

    If I see a big score, then I think they like playing avatar and my little pony, makes me laugh.
  • duckncover #56 2 years ago

    @Lebowski
    "I can't be the only person on here who swore like a trooper and cracked open a tinny after getting Cod4's Mile High Club ... only to then start loving / hating WaW's 'For the Motherland'."

    More likely that I'm the only one who has no idea what you are going on about :)
  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #57 2 years ago

    Wow I've achieved less than four fifths of that in 4 years. East Fife 4 Forfar 5.
  • miiiguel #58 2 years ago

    Funny article, although the writer misses some of the point of the real comtemporanean Achievement whores (I guess he doesn't go to x360a, or trueachievements.com much), the "thing" is not having a high score, the goal is to have a high completion ratio. No one plays a game to do 400 msp and than quit. It's "cooler" to have 10000 points with 10 games, then 50000 with 200.
    So they say..., of course.
    Edited by 2 at 04/06/10 @ 13:08
  • Scirvir #59 2 years ago

    I have the platinum trophy for Hannah Montana on the PS3.

    Surprising ly fun game.
  • mingster #60 2 years ago

    I much prefer Trophies to Gamerpoints.
  • Vanmunt #61 2 years ago

    the single greatest marketing ploy in the modern age... the gamerscore.
  • miiiguel #62 2 years ago

    And, the writter seems to be unaware that your gamertag can and will be banned if they do the gamesaving old stunt.
  • higganos #63 2 years ago

    @ mingster

    Me too, although I couldn't say why tbh. Maybe its an aesthetic thing? Quite like looking at that "olympic podium" tile in my profile with the trophies stacked.

    Have quite a few trophies already in only 5 weeks of play. 185 I think...which is worrisome!
  • melch #64 2 years ago

    defintely used to check my gamerscore all the time but after trying to play through the scrotum ripping pain of Lost made the decision to play games i enjoy, my gametime is limited and it simply wasnt fun to play crap games.

    on the other hand im quite liking avatar unlocks, like the sombero on RDR or the depeche mode t-shirt on left 4 dead 2.....damn that gnome
  • berryl227 #65 2 years ago

    Really good article I much prefer this journalistic style of article as opposed to the PR bollocks released by the devs and publishers.

    The only trophys I've ever chased have been AVP not because it was a good game but because they had cool qoutes from the movies ....

    Edit: because iPhone plus work= bad spelling
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 13:31
  • ParanoidZombie #66 2 years ago

    @lebowski: when I unlocked the "master ninja of missions" achievement in Ninja gaiden2, I actually started to dance in front of the screen, like Bruce Willis at the end of "the last boy scout". Every time I watch that achievement picture on my profile, I'm reminded of that bittersweet moment of my gaming life. ;)
  • Shikasama #67 2 years ago

  • miiiguel #68 2 years ago

    Every time I watch that achievement picture on my profile, I'm reminded of that bittersweet moment of my gaming life. ;)

    That's right. Digital memorabilia.
  • Drpwnage #69 2 years ago

    Gamer score/achievement/trophy whoring is the modern version of stamp collecting, trainspotting etc except it has no value to anyone other than the individual collector. It is just another facet of geeky gaming subculture! long may it continue (even though it leaves me somewhat bemused).

    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 13:22
  • carlitoswagon #70 2 years ago

    Good article.

    Have been scratching around Dead Space on and off recently to eek my score to 10,000 . Lost 4000 on an live account problem, started from '0' and haven't the heart to replay half my games again, including Blacksite Area 51 (utter shite) or Stranglehold.

    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 13:31
  • Craig0702 #71 2 years ago

    Very enjoyable reading, good article for a Friday afternoon :)

    I think aiming to 100% games is fine but intentionally playing games you don't like just to get more G's (not even bringing Avatar into this) seems a bit strange. Especially when people give up on some really good games just because there's no more achievements to get. I've got 23k+ in about 2-3 years just from playing games I like.

    Each to their own I guess. I'm sure the people over at xbox360a.org would have a totally different opinion of course!
  • Harmonica #72 2 years ago

    Fun article, well written. Enjoyed it a lot. Reminded me of similar escapades that Gamer used to write about back in the day.
  • smernicki #73 2 years ago

    i thought this was quite an interesting article, showing the lengths that some people will go to in order to boost their gamerscore.

    also interesting to see how quickly you can get points from some games, especially since there are games that I have put lots of time into and have comparatively few achievements

    [although maybe i'm just getting old and shit at games]
  • chudders #74 2 years ago

    Good article. A bit disturbing also.

  • Gecks #75 2 years ago

    http://www.trueachie vements.com - this is where the real big dick is. achieving a load of points in shit, easy games designed for the under 10s isn't big or clever, but maxing something that truly tests your mettle is... at least, relatively.

    i know how hard it is to max doom, or EDF2017, or flatout, or robotron 2084, but it's hard to get excited for someone who's been playing a hannah montana game. i mean, really? really?
  • TopKatt #76 2 years ago

    Yeah, I prefer trophies to be honest. I think everyone, gamer or non gamer, understands the concept of earning a trophy, but unlocking an achievement? Not so much.
  • TonyHarrison #77 2 years ago

    I'd rather have a meagre score of about 1,000 from playing games that I love than a score of 100,000 from a bunch of soul destroying games, but each to their own I guess....
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 14:13
  • geeza2020 #78 2 years ago

    I like my gamerscore. I dont care about anybody elses. Thats it. Thats all there is to acheivements for me.

    /shrugs
  • Collymilad #79 2 years ago

    @Geordie

    I agree with you about trophies and achievements, however what the hell has X game chat got to do with anything? The people who like it are people who, you know, like talking to their friends without having to be playing the same game all the time.

    It's got nothing to do with gamerscore, and you know what makes me laugh? Sony having to charge to bring PSN in line with XBL - weird that one isn't it?
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 14:33
  • actionabbas #80 2 years ago

    you must be joking me 10,000g man you must've wanted those achievmants
  • Demiath #81 2 years ago

    Good Lord; 10,000 is what I got after 4 YEARS with an Xbox 360. Granted, I only play the major releases (about 5-10 a year) and almost never hunt Achievements (ME2 being the rare "maxed out" title in my collection). Still, getting John Teti scientifically certified as a completely insane person should not be too difficult after this...
  • convercide #82 2 years ago

    Over here it's called the Sega Mega Drive Ultimate Collection... ;)

    That and Galaga are the only two I've played on this list. There's no chance in hell I'll ever play a Madden or Avatar.
  • makariel #83 2 years ago

    Great article, enjoyed reading very much :)
  • Geordiemp #84 2 years ago

    @ Colly, I wont pay to play peer to peer games, on PSN or live. Full stop. If people want to play for features that I would not use, fine, but dont charge me to play online.

    When I played on gold or PSN they play the same to me. I usually just play system link or LAN if possible with my son.
  • gjgjg #85 2 years ago

    haha, everyone knows the more points you have the bigger the [insert favourite body part] is.

    i get achievements if its convenient, though i prefer comparing to friends lists, its the only motivator really...

    @andijames move your ps3 so it can get some air
  • Zerobob #86 2 years ago

    That has to be the most dire collection of games I've ever come across. I mean, Hannah Montana: The Movie: The Game? Really? You want that game on your games list?!

    However, it makes my gamerscore seem so so feeble :(
  • andijames #87 2 years ago

    @gjgjg

    It's stood on an open glass stand lifted on 4 coasters to let air get underneath. Trust me it's well aired :) Just getting rather noisy.

    Good article though. Shows you how i guess the mentality has changed over the years. Used to be high scores and leaderboards now seems more achievement scores and trophy hunting!
  • sanctusmortis #88 2 years ago

    Getting the "completed games" entry is far more enjoyable. Well, bar Fable 2 Pub Games, which was the most nightmarish slog ever. King Kong was fun... To start. Still, someone else paid the 97p PC World wanted, so can't grumble. As a tip for games with a fun yet easy 1k - Half-Blood Prince is fun, and didn't take long at all. A good rental service is essential.
  • TheJuriel #89 2 years ago

    Ahhahah. Great article. I never did understand achievement whoring for gamerscore's sake.

    But having achievements as an encouragement to do some out of the way stuff and get more out of a good game you own anyway? That's nice.

    I've played games just for their own sake, perhaps trying for specific achievements only when I replay them a year later, and I still have 27k gamerscore, so eh.
    Edited by 3 at 04/06/10 @ 15:54
  • cnlfailure #90 2 years ago

    Don't try Madden 10 if you're chasing cheevs - over 50 hours of the game played, not a single achievement.

    I'm not really fussed about my gamer score (first week 360 purchase, 4500 points in total) but I do like to earn them as I play and to sink 50 hours into a game and not come across one is just plain sloppy design.
  • VandelayIndustries #91 2 years ago

    Good article!
    I love the idea of achievements and trophies but feel that designers have largely pissed away the opportunity for compelling reasons to care about them. Level progression? Boring, replay difficulty progression - depends on how well the game is designed. Grind through the game for 200+ collectibles? - get the fuck out! Online only achievements? don't get me started.

    In three years of gaming on the Xbox the only game I can think of that had interesting achievements was the The Orange Box.
  • alexander_light #92 2 years ago

    Is that some kind of carpeted sex swing in the background of your lounge, dude?
  • dancingrob #93 2 years ago

    I prefer those games where the achievements are split sensibly.

    50% through 'normal play', 25% for doing fun / interesting things, and 25% for grinding / difficult things always seems a good balance to me. As such, games like Bioshock, Dead Space and Batman:AA have the balance about right to my mind.

    Gears of War (too much online), Forza 2 (too grindy) and Oblivion (actively promote avoiding some of the fun stuff) are good examples of bad achievement lists.
  • Mayhem64 #94 2 years ago

    Of the other contenders, I wasn't expecting to see CSI or King Kong; while they're both reasonably easy to get the full 1000G, it still takes 6-7 hours of play to get there. Too slow for this "contest" of acquirement :p
  • JimmyT67 #95 2 years ago

    @alexander_light

    lmao it looks like some sort of reverse queening stool for a teletubby.
  • kinky_mong #96 2 years ago

    I really don't understand some peoples hostility towards achievements and there attempt to belittle people who enjoy them. Their just an extension of the high score and completion rewards that games have had for years.

    Some people take it a bit too seriously, and I've been accused of that in the past, but I just see them as way to have friendly competitons with my mate's about how many we can get in a game and in total. I haven't bought any games that give out easy achievements that I'd otherwise have no interest in, but I do enjoy pushing myself to try and get 1000 in a game for a challenge.

    The only legitmate complaint about achievements I think is applicable is when they're assigned to behaviour in multiplayer games that spoil the game for others, for instance games like Street Fighter 4 having an achievement for winning 10 games in a row, which fills the game with people quitting matches when their losing to protect their streak.
  • TheNinkyNonk #97 2 years ago

    Had a 360 since launch and racked up 56k points on nothing but games I've liked. I think they're a nice idea. I like to set myself little goals or will play a game for a little longer to get the odd few points but I think it's a little poor when people force themselves to play things they don't like for far too long just for the sake of points. If kept in balance, they can be fun and a nice incentive.
  • CaoSlayer #98 2 years ago

    Get the 50 points of beating Ninja Gaiden 2´s Master Ninja and I will be more impressed than with 100,000 points of football games.
  • secombe #99 2 years ago

    Their just an extension of the high score

    I've seen this mentioned many times but I fail to see the link to be honest. Score-attack gaming is by and large done by people who love a game so can happily play it over and over again (as was quite common 'back in the day') and they were/are generally a reasonably good barometer of skill level. Aside from some individual achievements (which aren't immediately obvious when viewing a profile anyway), gamerscore has no real relation to how good you are at anything.

    For me the greatest thing about a web enabled console is the ability to view and compare leaderboards with friends, great for driving game hot-lappers like myself.
    Edited by 1 at 04/06/10 @ 18:36
  • comissars_handgun #100 2 years ago

    I quite like being able to compare achievements with people on my friend list, it's interesting to look "Ahaha, I'm way ahead of him". Still achievement whoring is really pathetic (though I do have a bunch of points from the Lost game, but I rented that because I love Lost, I'm not an achivement whore I swear!)

    Only got 18k after four years, with the only games I've got 100% of achievements for being Oblivion and Mass Effect 2. And both those games I still have things yet to do, and I will return to them. So I guess the lesson is that achievements don't really matter.
  • Markitron #101 2 years ago

    I thought achievements were cool at first, but when i see people recommending Easy 1000 pt games just for the score it kills me. I remember last year seeing a joystiq/N4G article on the terminator salvation game being sold on the fact that it was an easy 1000G/plat. I thought surely not, but low and behold my friends list on both platforms was populated with ppl playing it. Seems like lazy developers that know they are making a bad game are taking advantage of the system now, thats where it becomes a big problem.
  • StriderRex #102 2 years ago

    If a game makes you feel you really earned achievements I will admit it gives me a little buzz, the main game im thinking of here is Ridge Racer 6, I have 940 points and I feel like I truly earned them, it took me months of playing it (not continuous mind, if I got badly stuck, leave it a while and go back to it weeks later etc) but it was worth it, and while I came extremely close to chucking my 360 out the window on more than one occasion when I actually finally got an achievement it felt like a great accomplishment (in gaming terms), and I enjoyed the game too, have always loved RR (cept 5 of course) and this was a return to form I reckon (RRT4 still no.1 tho!).

    The last achievement is worth 60 points, and I drew the line there as it is nigh on impossible, win all races without crashing into any barriers or other cars, are you mad??!
    I play games for fun, not to torture myself ;)
  • Dylbot #103 2 years ago

    Bioshock's Brass Balls achievement is the best achievement ever. My favourite moment in that game is when you take on your first Big Daddy in a Brass Balls run, and you really start to feel the fear, diving over counters and hiding behind walls just to give you enough time to get a couple of shots in before he comes charging at you again. Brilliance.
  • dudefella #104 2 years ago

    Great article. Pleased that I have none of these on my gamercard except Lost (I like Lost, so getting the full 1000 wasn't a torture) and Mega Drive Collection (again, easy full 1000 that I enjoyed)
  • stuartm #105 2 years ago

    I noticed that John played both NBA 2K6 and College Hoops 2K6. They are essentially the same game, but I thought that College Hoops was only available in North America, and no tplayable on a PAL 360?
  • Sniper_007 #106 2 years ago

    Fantastic article - thank you for that John!! It's 1:30am in the morning and I'm working on the computer desperately trying to stay awake and finish before we go on holiday tomorrow (flight in 6 hours and counting!!) so I thought "why not try Eurogamer"... and once again you did not disappoint :).

    I even almost woke up the Mrs when I literally laughed out loud a few times to this :)
  • frostcircus #107 2 years ago

    "I can't let it go!" I whined. "I've invested too much to quit now." I had fallen headfirst into the classic, diabolical trap of Achievements.

    This is also the classic, diabolical trap of Lost.
    Edited by 1 at 05/06/10 @ 03:26
  • Vermillion3000 #108 2 years ago

    Great fun article. And offers more food for thought than I initially expected.
    Thanks!
  • mr_shoe_uk #109 2 years ago

    Nice. I hate achievements, because I am marginally OCD on them, even though every logical argument highlights the pointlessness of this.

    What's worse, they have made me less 'enjoy' the games that don't. Why play through those old PS2 games that don't even have achievements? Games that I would play more but have fully 'achieved' don't tempt back the same way as a bothersome drudge.

    Gah.
    Edited by 1 at 05/06/10 @ 11:10
  • fknetwork #110 2 years ago

    I've had my 360 3 years and i'm almost at 20,000 gs, thanks for making my effort look rubbish lol!
  • Cheapshot #111 2 years ago

    Hahaha! This is why I love Eurogamer, great read!
  • ipressbuttons #112 2 years ago

    Geat article! Love the way you ended it with a "meaning" to make the 24 hours put in worth while! It was a good funny read too.
  • Harmonica #113 2 years ago

    A lot of perfectly well intentioned achievements become a horrible slog if you're actively going after them. For example, this afternoon I was trying to get an achievement in FIFA 09 for 19 points, 'score in the 89th minute'. If this happens naturally during a game it's a good fun thing to have pop-up. But scoring *exactly* during the 89th minute is an exercise in frustration. Sure, I could plug in 2UP controller and cheese it, but that would sort of defy the point of having achieved anything.

    *the whole point was to round my score off, it currently ends in 1.
  • Farzlepot #114 2 years ago

    Some games have awesome achievements, particularly if you get them by accident without knowing what they are - blowing up a guy in Fallout 3 by stuffing a grenade in his pocket, or placing a tied up damsel in distress on a railway in Red Dead Redemption (please don't ask what I was up to when I got that one) for example.

    I think these achievements are what makes the whole system great. They encourage exploratory playing. Ohers aren't so great - the standard level progression ones, for example.

    I used to aim for 1000, I admit, but not so much these days. I just like to play, and see what happens.
    Edited by 1 at 05/06/10 @ 20:25
  • CTocs #115 2 years ago

    Yeah, I'm a bit of an achievement whore, in the sense that I've bought games JUST for the achievements (wow, just typing that made me feel dirty) but no one is forcing me and I enjoy collecting achievements - exactly like how other people enjoy collecting other things. It may be a bit sad but it's a hobby. Why does it need so many negative connotations?

    Anyway, can't believe this Knuckles fellow is being praised. The guy is an arrogant dick.
    Edited by 1 at 05/06/10 @ 23:13
  • DoKtoR #116 2 years ago

    Never been interested in achievements but this article was an interesting read. I think if you've got the time and energy for a gamerscore then "great, go for it!" but for a 50hr+ per week worker like myself I'm content with the odd casual game here and there - living my life fills in the rest of the gaps.
  • DoKtoR #117 2 years ago

    @alexander_light

    lol - it looks like John owns a cat.
  • Skorms-Boss #118 2 years ago

    1000G For sitting on your arse, in front of a games machine for 24 hours
    Why the hell can't I get a job like that!
  • Grayvern #119 2 years ago

    Don't care for achievement points at all. Total achievement points don't in any way represent ability at games since even games based on skill often have at least half their points for just playing for a while while regardless of how well you do.

    Points never make me feel like I've achieved anything. In red dead i did the hunting foraging challenges to spend more time with the game and to get the cool outfit. Playing through Demon Souls even though I did it at Christmas also felt like an achievement.

    In terms of games, most of my respect is reserved for the trailblazers of gamefaqs who ruin their own game experiences in order to make life easier for the rest of us. And of course some respect for e-sports type people although i will never follow that side of gaming.
    Edited by 1 at 19/09/10 @ 08:04
  • Farzlepot #120 2 years ago

    @131,

    Two points:

    1) Who gives a rat's arse?
    2) How the hell do you know?!
  • coomber #121 2 years ago

    Good article, and nice to see it didn't need to resort to crowbaring in some crappy monkey-wanking gag or the like!

    This and the Tow Truck Simulator review remind me why I like this site!
  • govaner7 #122 2 years ago

    great achievement this!, i used to care about that achievement box when i first got the xbox but its jst a nice bonus now for doing something
  • Dafridge #123 2 years ago

    This is a great article.
    Hi my name is dafridge and I am a scoraholic
  • edhe #124 2 years ago

    I'm happy to admit i've finally stopped caring about gamerscore whoring, and this realisation came to me when i telekenetically tossed back a grenade in bioshock 2 to kill some random splicer.

    I was well into it a while back, and i'd rustle up some crap cheevs, i borrowed avatar from a friend [though i genuinely liked that series] and i'd boost with a mate on occasion, but why? I finally realised that i could have an achievable goal - 50%+

    So it took a while and it took some extra work in some games but i managed to crank out an average of over 50% on my games, judging by 360voice.com, and now i don't whore.

    I still like my achievements though, and i do aim to get them for the most part but i'm not going to change how i play to do it. For instance i didn't max out my research camera in bioshock2, didn't get Zaeed's loyalty in ME2, nor go back to save miranda, finish mw2 on veteran and i certainly won't be going about Just Cause2 getting the pokécheevs.

    Crackdown2, however, may revert me :\
  • Remy #125 2 years ago

    Great article - best read on Eurogamer in months. Secombe #110 also got it right. They aren't even as useful as high scores. Even that trueachievements.com doesn't really have it right, as you can still use any boosting techniques to get achievements. I only find achievements fun when they are the "hard to do but possible" variety noted above, and I don't take the shortcuts and boosts to get them. It has to be on default settings and 'legit' to make it interesting to me. But what's sad is that there's no way to prove the legitimacy of poorly coded Achievements. But yes, fantastic article, I've added it to a reference on my take on Achievements:

    [link url=http://agoners.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/to-strive-t o-achieve/
    ]http://ag oners.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/...[/link]

    And for the true online Achievement whores who DO damage the games for everyone else, here's the iWin controller :-)

    http://ag oners.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/...
  • Cafuddled #126 2 years ago

    Never been one hooked on points of any kind, at least not to effect me in a way that would remotely show as interest on any level... Saying that when playing online games I play as hard as I can to get to the top of the leader boards every time... But then that's not recorded on any status... but I always have lots of fun doing it so I guess that's why I keep going back for more.
  • Caspar_Esq. #127 2 years ago

    its a full stop, NOT A PERIOD!!!
  • Retroid #128 2 years ago

    I've got King Kong on my gamercard because I enjoyed the demo and there was a bit of a draught at the time.

    I've got Lost there too as I was a fan of the show until they jumped a busload of sharks with the final episode.

    Neither were bought with 1000G in mind and I think I'd have to slap myself - HARD - if I ever played a game just because of that.
  • Murbal #129 2 years ago

  • Bluetooth #130 2 years ago

    The only 1000 I have is on Oblivion - and that's because I love the game enough to go through all of it. If getting 1000 in other games mean deviating from the plot to go on some collecting bore-a-thon, count me out. Time is more precious than points
  • cjs #131 1 year ago

    A few people mentioned PS3 trophies as being a nicer idea; perhaps they're not aware that trophies also run on a point system (15/30/90/180 for bronze/silver/gold/platinum, and your total score is logrithmically converted to your level and percentage of the way to the next level).

    That said, I'm rather less into going for the platinum now than I used to be, but I still constantly compare my trophies with others on my friends list. It lets me see what games we have in common (and what we don't), how far they've gotten into the game (presumably reflecting their level of interest--you'd be surprised at how many friends didn't go more than 15% into GTA4), and often tells me a lot about their playing style.