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Prince Of Persia 2 Interview

PC PlayStation 2 GameCube Xbox GameBoy Advance
Interview by Kristan Reed

3 August, 2004

'Prince Of Persia 2' Screenshot 1

Critically, Prince of Persia was one of the most universally acclaimed games of recent years, but getting you lot to buy it was a tougher job than it probably should have been. Without a recognisable licence attached to it, most gamers played safe and chose to ignore it and plump for the big names instead. Fine, buy inferior games then, see if we care! Hopefully the deafening applause that The Sands Of Time received will awaken the slumbering audience when the sequel lands later this autumn - ditto Beyond Good & Evil if there's any justice in the world. And in the run up to the game's release, Ubisoft kindly allowed us an hour or so to look at the game in action in the company of the game's producer Yannis Mallot, who took time out of his busy schedule to show off all manner of cool new additions to the game, including a much improved fighting system, time travel, bigger levels, a darker art direction and - believe it or not - better visuals all round. Could it scoop game of the year for the second year running? Read on...

Eurogamer: What's the purpose at start of the game, when you're on a ship?

Yannis Mallot: The Prince is trying to stay alive as long as possible, and has to head for where the Sands of Time are being kept long enough in the past before even the creation of them.

Eurogamer: How many moves has the Prince got in total?

Yannis Mallot: It's almost incalculable, because it depends on do you do a wall attack, do you do a rebound attack. What I do know is that we have 12, 14 finishing moves, but that's not counting all the different moves you have.

Eurogamer: Will you still start each level with a glimpse of what you're supposed to do?

Yannis Mallot: We're aware that this was a pretty cool story telling technique, and we're trying to come up with the same concept with a different realisation. The Prince travels to the past; not for 10 seconds anymore, but for centuries. There is one thing we don't want the player to do is sit around watching cinematics, so it's short memorable Hollywood moments in terms of camera placement. Our goal is in cinematic moments to keep the player as in control Interactive Cinematics.

Eurogamer: Tell us about these 'Interactive Cinematics'.

Yannis Mallot: Interactive cinematics are basically showing an event that occurs, or dialogue, but still leaving the control to the player. This means you have playable moments even when there's a dialogue - it's totally immersive. We don't want the player not to play - we do want them to find out about the story in full, but we want him to play.

Eurogamer: Where does the game take place?

Yannis Mallot: He awakes on a strange island, where the main part of the game will happen. It will be pretty much a huge castle, called the Castle of Time, where most of the game will happen. It's huge. But location is one thing, but location is only one dimension in space-time. As I told you, the Prince will be able to travel back in time for centuries. The cool thing about that is that each and every action the Prince does in the past will actually impact the level design of the new future when he goes back to the present, which means, for example, in the past he's blocked in a room or can't access anywhere, etc, and finally he finds a time warp which allows him to go back and do some stuff which will change the level design of the map.

Eurogamer: Tell us about the Freeform Fighting System.

Yannis Mallot: We call it the Freeform Fighting System because I can use pretty much whatever is around me to fight. You also have secondary weapons now, and the way our secondary weapons are designed is exactly the same concept in Lord Of The Rings for the Orcs weapons, you know, they're kind of cheap, they're made quickly.

The cool thing in gameplay in PoP2 for the secondary weapons is they don't last that long, so we encourage players to get new stuff as often as possible. When the Prince is surrounded by enemies, he has some powerful attacks available to him. As soon as he has two weapons in his hands he can enter this dual weapon fighting mode, which is pretty devastating for enemies. I can throw weapons too, then I stun the enemy, and we have kept the famous counter move from the original. When the enemy has its back to me, I can perform the Strangulation move, one of the most powerful in the game. This is adding depth, and at the same time I kill the guy and then get to take his weapon.

Eurogamer: Do you still collect the Sands of Time?

Yannis Mallot: Yes, you do, but you know what? We've been thinking about that, and we came to the conclusion where collecting sands after you killed enemies in The Sands Of Time was a duty, and then it was not cool. What the Prince has kept, on the other hand, is the medallion, and he now has the medallion as part of his leather armour, and the medallion is doing the job for him, and in terms of gameplay it leaves the player to do the fun stuff. So, I see your question coming - we still have sand powers, time powers in the game, but also we have given depth to the Time powers. We also use in-game cinematics to introduce new moves. Each time we show you a new move, it's going to be playable somewhere, and that's very cool.

Eurogamer: Are you just playing as the Prince all the time?

Yannis Mallot: Erm... I cannot tell you anything about that.

Eurogamer: I'll take that as a no then! How many boss characters will there be in the game?

Yannis Mallot: We'll have at least three boss characters, but that doesn't take into consideration some of the bigger guys, who aren't [although evidently look like bosses].

Eurogamer: How big do you think the game will be in comparison to the original?

Yannis Mallot: In terms of original gameplay, meaning the first time the player takes that challenge, we expect the game to be as long as The Sands Of Time. That doesn't take into consideration all the revisits the Prince have going back and forth in time. For example, because we create new level design challenge and new gameplay, we can definitely add a good three to four hours [compared] to the original Sands Of Time gameplay.

Eurogamer: Technically, are you doing anything new? Is it the same game engine before? Have you improved it much?

Yannis Mallot: That's the same Jade engine. We had a meeting with the Sony people themselves and they said, "You know what? The PS2 capabilities are here and your game is here" [motions hands to the same level], so we thought there's no way we can improve that. But the first thing we did on the PoP2 project was to put a five or six man engineer team together to try and look at the engine and see if, indeed, it could not be improved. And as a matter of fact, those guys came back and optimised the engine by 25 per cent. So this is 25 per cent more space for rooms, more texture, bigger maps, new special effect, and this is really really impressive when you see the size of the maps and all the new stuff.

Eurogamer: How many frames per second are you running at?

Yannis Mallot: 30. And that's a decision we made, because we could have tried to go for 60, but I don't think we have the kind of game that requires 60 frames per second. We're not a racing game, you know, we're not that fast action, but going for 30, we can allow ourselves much more in terms of computing power to display more stuff. We have increased our lightmap capabilities so that the design and all the art direction looks deeper. We have also, as you may have seen, changed radically the art direction to go darker to go more mature in terms of art meaning we have changed the filter we have removed this rendering in the Sands Of Time where colours are washed, edges are rounded, that was giving this very pretty kind of look, we're going for a truer environment.

Eurogamer: Has the animation system been improved?

Yannis Mallot: We have improved the blending of the animation system - blending is combining two different animations, so for example when I was grabbing the crate I was putting my sword back in. In all different games you are not able to do both at the same time, for example Tomb Raider you have to get your sword back in first and then grab the crate; with our blending system we're actually doing both at the same time. It's a little detail, but it's in the detail that we see the realisation of the game.

Eurogamer: Are you making much more use of the Xbox than before?

Yannis Mallot: Yes, of course. We inherited a stable engine [when we started development], so we could work fast. Actually the Jade engine was made for Beyond Good & Evil by Michel Ancel's team a... long time ago. In Sands Of Time production, I actually sent five engineers in September 2001, and then in November they took the last code job of Beyond Good & Evil, and we only needed one code job after that because we made so many customisations on the engine for our game such as rewinding, light maps, blending and all that stuff, so after we had two separate engines. The dynamic lighting on the PlayStation 2 is colour sensitive, meaning the Prince will reflect yellow colour if the light source is yellow. The Xbox is much more impressive in terms of visuals, with things like heat effect and normal mapping and proper dynamic lighting.

Eurogamer: Are you doing any Xbox Live downloads at all?

Yannis Mallot: We do have Xbox Live modes. We have two modes actually - the first one being what we call the Time Attack, which in our opinion totally fits with the core gameplay of Sands Of Time. Time Attack will feature sequences of gameplay that you have to do perfectly, not losing any seconds, not using any extra turns round the pole, and then combined with the stats feature of the Xbox Live we're going to be able to rank people and each time you enter the PoP community you say, 'okay I want to challenge this person on the charts'; what you do then is download his ghost when he made the sequence of gameplay, and then you fight against his ghost, and if you win, it's your turn to upload your own ghost, and stuff like that.

The other mode is Survival mode, which design fits more with the storyline. As I said, it's not a question of will the Prince die, or how will he die, it's a question of how long will he stay alive, so the Survival mode will just be combined with the stats; how many enemies did you kill before getting killed yourself, how many finishing moves had you used and stuff like that.

Eurogamer: Will there be any new modes in the other versions?

Yannis Mallot: GameCube will feature a specific rendering system optimization, water effect, heat effect, physics effect, which match pretty much what you can do on Xbox.

Eurogamer: Will you be doing the link up with the GBA again?

Yannis Mallot: I don't know. I guess, but I don't know, unfortunately.

Prince Of Persia 2 will be released simultaneously on PS2, Xbox, PC, GameCube and GBA in November. Look out for hands-on first impressions closer to the game's release.

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Bezzy
03/08/04 @ 14:28
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Indeed! Ban this inaccurate filth!
Ed_209uk
03/08/04 @ 14:32
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I'm playing through the first one at the moment. This is one of those rare games that actually lives up to the hype. It's just so...fun to play!

For anyone who hasn't picked this up yet, I can't recommend it enough!
UncleLou
03/08/04 @ 14:35
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Really looking forward to it, much more so than if they had just made a normal sequel that looks and plays identical. Let's just hope they don't screw it up with all the changes they made. They could really miss their target audience, with a fighting system too complicated for the common action-adventure player, and possibly not enough puzzles, and on the other hand not sophisticated enough for fans of fighting games.
krudster [mod]
03/08/04 @ 14:39
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That's our concern summed up nicely.
Bezzy
03/08/04 @ 14:39
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The combat system in the first was certainly the weakest component of game play*, so improving that can't be a bad thing... but then, the combat system was not really the main draw of the first game, either. Interesting problem they've got.

*if you don't count the total linearity of the jumping puzzles - would have been nice to have a versitile range of approaches to any of them, rather than the designers' invisible hand guiding you down the "correct" path constantly.
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03/08/04 @ 14:55
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I share similar misgivings about buggering around with the fighting system. It was OK as it was, I don't wanna see this one turned into another "combo-o-matic" job, where you need 8 fingers on each hand just to be able to do a grapple move. Keep It Simple, Stoopit!

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commander dixon
03/08/04 @ 15:17
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my fear is it will become another Ninja Gaiden ...
UncleLou
03/08/04 @ 15:48
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If it would look anything like you describe it, I'd agree.

Like a very wise person said in another thread though, the screenshots look like old European paintings, with an excellent choice of colours, for example.

As much as I loved the first game, I am rather glad they got rid of the Disney look.
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Kami
03/08/04 @ 15:56
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My greatest fear is that they'll unbalance it.

POP was fantastic because the controls were tight, that grabbing and falling was uncomplicated (and rewinding time was always useful)...

As for combat, I thought in POP it was very nicely balanced, however Princey has lost his dagger so having a second weapon thrown in kinda makes up for that...

Like I said, my greatest fear is this will end up like Tomb Raider. Too many pits and terrible level design coupled with awful, unresponsive controls.


But it's only a fear. I am far more hopeful.
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03/08/04 @ 16:14
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Just please please please do away with those "kill 30 enemies before proceeding sections"....
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03/08/04 @ 16:17
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I'm neither american nor a teenager, but I love the new direction. I loved the style of the first game too, but this looks even more atmospheric and potentially more immersive IMO.

The thing I didn't really like about the original was the spawning enemies. Not knowing how many 'waves' there would be in any given encounter was annoying, and the formula of 'in this room you'll fight some monsters, and they'll keep spawning until you're done, then we'll give you a puzzle to do' spoiled the atmopshere a little for me.

If they want to give you a more drawn out encounter, but don't want to throw too many bad guys at you at once, there are tonnes of things they could have done. Having wave after wave of monsters appearing out of thin air struck me as a bit of a cop out. I guess they wanted it that way, but I'd just prefer a more fluid game world with less of those sort of arcade game mechanics.
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pjmaybe
03/08/04 @ 16:20
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" Just please please please do away with those "kill 30 enemies before proceeding sections"...."

What he said. Or at least give us SOME fucking idea that we're progressing!

I hate respawning basts.

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03/08/04 @ 16:23
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Um, you could pretty clearly see how many more enemies would spawn, as the save game "pillar" became more and more visible the nearer you were to the end of that fight. Not the best of all possible solutions, maybe, but it did work.
mash the x button
03/08/04 @ 16:25
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POP was fine barring some excessive combat, i.e. defeat one bunch of goons only to meet another load in the next hall, bah! Plus, am I the only one who found the the wall rebound was very temperamental? I gave up on it after a few levels.
Hopefully they will stick to the adventure side of the game. On second thoughts, perhaps the Prince can zip to the future and pick up the shotgun and magnum...
tiddles
03/08/04 @ 17:10
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I found the combat in the first game to be one of THE most frustrating gaming experiences I've ever had. The problem was the context sensitive jump move, which meant roll/bounce off wall/jump over an enemy's head depending on location, position of enemies etc. Unfortunately since many of the enemies were only vulnerable to one of the moves, and knocked you down if you tried to use the wrong one, you were continually punished for the game wrongly interpreting what you were trying to do (especially as the camera in the fight sequences was frequently pretty dire). Then there were the enemies who could hit you again and again before you had a chance to get up, and just the sheer tediousness of fighting wave after wave... The fighting just seemed really unfinished, unlike the rest of the game which was so polished.

So anyway, here's hoping they fix it, as otherwise the sequel looks very promising indeed.
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03/08/04 @ 17:52
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I had exactly the same problem as you tiddles.
/gets knocked down
/gets surrounded
/tries to get up
/gets hit on way up
/falls down
/enemies keep hitting you
/you keep blocking
/enemies keep hitting you
/you keep blocking
/enemies keep hitting you
/you keep blocking
/enemies keep hitting you
/you keep blocking
can't get up, switch off console, stop playing PoP
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03/08/04 @ 18:23
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Completely right; they needed to have some "kick people out the way while standing up" move. Given that, I could cope with the waves upon waves of almost identical monsters.

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03/08/04 @ 18:56
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If they can get a similar 25% increase, like the engine, over into every aspect of the game it could well be game of the year, but there are some big names this year.

Looking forward to this one v. much and I agree about the colour scheme being better in this one. Nothing wrong with the last one, I just prefer the new look.

Nice to hear about the gfx in the GC version as well, along with the simultanious release this time round. Hopefully they'll see the benifit in sales.
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03/08/04 @ 20:46
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simultaneous release is good
the time travel thing which effects the future level layout hasn't had much attention, but i like it
worked great in zelda games, also means there should be adequate puzzling in this game

atm this is the most interesting game of the year for me
GTA would be up there too, but its next year for the pc :(
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03/08/04 @ 22:10
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Ubisoft certainly deserve to do well with this one (if there's any justice in the world at all).

Who knows, maybe if this does really well they'll commission a sequel to Beyond Good & Evil...
mash the x button
03/08/04 @ 22:48
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Beyond Good and Evil, best game for a long time! Anyway back to POP - given that it was difficult (!) to perform the wall bounce I found that it was best to keep moving until one goon became isolated, and then hack it down. Tiresome, but it did the job.
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04/08/04 @ 00:04
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Um, you could pretty clearly see how many more enemies would spawn, as the save game "pillar" became more and more visible the nearer you were to the end of that fight.

/kicks himself for not having noticed
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04/08/04 @ 01:54
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but getting you lot to buy it was a tougher job than it probably should have been.

Hey, I did my bit. I bought TWO copies of the game (Xbox and Cube).

And for the record, the Xbox version runs at a higher framerate, supports 60Hz, and looks nicer (but not by much). However, the Cube version has never crashed on me (unlike the Xbox one, which could be caused by either the disc itself or my Xbox which seems to not like streaming data loading games).
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04/08/04 @ 07:38
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PoP:SoT was just way to frustrating - for all the enjoyment I got out of it I spent too much time being frustrated at the damn camera...
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04/08/04 @ 18:19
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"Looking forward to this one v. much and I agree about the colour scheme being better in this one. Nothing wrong with the last one, I just prefer the new look.

Nice to hear about the gfx in the GC version as well, along with the simultanious release this time round. Hopefully they'll see the benifit in sales."

Although I do like the new look, it does look similar to countless other games, whereas SoT looked very unique.
UncleLou
04/08/04 @ 18:33
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Although I do like the new look, it does look similar to countless other games, whereas SoT looked very unique.

I couldn't disagree more, in fact, I'd be hard-pressed to name a second game that has such a unique look as PoP2, whereas the first, while looking fantastic, was suffering a bit from the "generic cartoon look" problem. Imho. :-)
3william56
05/08/04 @ 06:40
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/kicks Jaa because I didn't notice either...

Bloody hell. A spontaneous consensus in the EG threads? No tardy "PoP R0XX0RS you all SUXX0RS?" comments? Gee - there's hope for us all...

I'll add to the wish list having the rewind function always rewind beyond the last key press or move (or any ongoing move be halted by the rewind process). I lost a lot of hair winding back from a stuffed jump, only to let go of the rewind button a fraction too soon and have the same stuffed jump repeated. Painful.
SingerenBsAs
06/08/04 @ 06:33
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I cant wait for this game to come out. The first one is one of the best games I ever played on any machine. Im 24 and Ive been playing since the Atari 2600.

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