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FIFA 10v10 vs. PES Legends Article

PlayStation 3 Xbox 360 Article by Martin Korda

22 October, 2008

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Fears were rife prior to release that games containing twenty human players would inevitably degenerate into ball-chasing farce, yet the reality usually proves very different. Even when playing with lower-level players, most participants manage to stick to their allotted positions with admirable discipline, though admittedly there is a bias towards rushed attacks (during which defenders often find themselves outnumbered) rather than measured build-ups. There's also a genuine sense of competitiveness and combativeness, with little time to dwell on the ball before you're closed down. In many ways, these online games are even more competitive than their single-player counterparts.

With a strict stamina limit for each player, Roy of the Rovers heroics are impossible. Try to be everywhere and you'll be staggering around like a three-legged dog after a kick in the tits, and all before the halftime whistle blows. This encourages you to play in your designated role with discipline, to be a cog in a machine rather than the motor that drives it. You soon learn that it's essential to rely on, work with and trust your team-mates. The frustrations and rewards are very much like the real game: greedy strikers shooting and missing when passing to a better-placed player would have guaranteed a goal, or selfless wingers tracking back to cover you when you miss a tackle. Performance feedback is handled rather more subtly than in PES. A simple bar at the bottom of the screen keeps track of how well you're playing, with each successful pass, shot, tackle and piece of positional play either bolstering or diminishing your rating.

On the whole these 10 vs. 10 games proved highly fluid and bereft of lag: some feat considering twenty simultaneous online connections, compared to PES's four. However, some minor compromises appear to have been made regarding visual quality, though this is a small price to play for match fluidity.

'FIFA 10v10 vs. PES Legends' Screenshot 2

PES 2009's Legends mode allows you and three other people to play together online.

Due to FIFA's lifelike rendition of the beautiful game, mastering each position takes plenty of practice, but it's the defensive roles that are by far the hardest to perfect. Learning to read the game is an essential skill to master if you're to stand any chance of stifling opposition attacks. While it may be frustrating at first, if you persevere you'll find that opting for a defensive role can be hugely rewarding.

Despite many areas of excellence, there are a few sections that still require some attention, such as post-match feedback, which currently fails to adequately inform you of where you've succeeded and failed in your given position. Other niggles include some stability issues (crashes were more frequent than in PES) and occasionally erratic goalkeeper AI.

'FIFA 10v10 vs. PES Legends' Screenshot 3

Play as any of your real life heroes in FIFA 09's 10 vs. 10 games.

So with both games clearly possessing their merits, which one should you opt for? Well, that depends on what you're after. If you're looking for a fairly un-taxing and forgiving footy kick about with a heavy bias towards attacking, then PES is probably your best bet. But if you're after the most lifelike, tactical and ultimately rewarding multiplayer online football experience around, then FIFA wins by a clear distance. It may not be perfect and still needs refining, but as a first attempt at bringing online 10 vs. 10 football to the masses, it's an admirably accomplished effort.

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Zomoniac
22/10/08 @ 13:23
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FIFA FTW!
Bill Door
22/10/08 @ 13:25
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Hahaha, PES is attack minded arcadey football :D
Darren
22/10/08 @ 13:27
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"So with both games clearly possessing their merits, which one should you opt for? Well, that depends on what you're after. If you're looking for a fairly un-taxing and forgiving footy kick about with a heavy bias towards attacking, then PES is probably your best bet. But if you're after the most lifelike, tactical and ultimately rewarding multiplayer online football experience around, then FIFA wins by a clear distance."

It's really funny reading that... five years ago those two games would have been the other way round! PES in the eyes of many reviewers has become the new FIFA. Oh how times have changed!
mcbi4kh2
22/10/08 @ 13:30
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What happens if some ball bag drops out half way through a game? Does AI take over or is there a player stood there for the rest of the match?
ryohazuki1983
22/10/08 @ 13:32
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I played 10 vs 10 a few times, the camera angle bugs me, because i've always played with the default angle (can't remember what's called).

Played in central midfield, its very fast paced, once you get the ball you've only got a split second to deciede what to do before your being hounded.

Seems to take a while to actually start the game, as a lot of people keep messing around changing status from ready to unready then dropping out etc.

Overall not bad, spose its just like anything else, takes practice and all that. Would be good to play with mates etc but I prefer the normal multiplayer, even though i'm not that good. I've won more than i've lost but having trouble scoring from a distance (seen a lot of people with the score from 30 yards out achievement) Also i've only scored from a cross twice...anybody got any tips?
espadachin
22/10/08 @ 13:32
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What about if you are looking to play with your mates online vs the CPU?
Pro Evo only.

/is still baffled that fifa doesnt have this...
That_Happy_Cat
22/10/08 @ 13:34
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@mcbi4kh2
They wear longer shorts these days so you'll be fine, so don't wor....... oh, sorry. I misunderstood.
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22/10/08 @ 13:36
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haha, very funny. I realised the way what I said may be taken after I'd posted it but thought I'd leave it in for comedy value. Any one know the real answer? Can you join a game half way through? Im not a very patient fellow and 5 minutes is far, far too long.
Aretak
22/10/08 @ 13:37
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I played 10 vs 10 a few times, the camera angle bugs me

You can change the camera to the standard view, and even have the choice of centering it on either the player you're controlling or the ball by pressing select. Playing it like this is an absoloute revelation in my opinion. It's better than controlling the entire team in a 1 v 1 game.
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22/10/08 @ 13:38
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What happens if some ball bag drops out half way through a game? Does AI take over or is there a player stood there for the rest of the match?

Yes, the AI takes control of any quitters (or positions that weren't filled to start with, since it's possible to go with less than 20 players if everyone's ready).

Can you join a game half way through?

No.
ryohazuki1983
22/10/08 @ 13:38
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@Aretak - Cheers mate, should of taken a look to see if you could change it.
Fab4
22/10/08 @ 13:40
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Havent played a full 10v10 match yet, but 3v3 is an absolute hoot in FiFA 09...I havent laughed so much in ages :)
mcbi4kh2
22/10/08 @ 13:45
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@Aretak cheers bud, gonna give it a go tonight me thinks.
espadachin
22/10/08 @ 13:47
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'fraid not, it wont let you start the game unless someone is on the opposing team :(
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22/10/08 @ 13:58
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What happens if some ball bag drops out half way through a game? Does AI take over or is there a player stood there for the rest of the match?

Happens a lot but not a problem at all. Before the game each player can choose one of 11 roles: the 10 outfields and an "any" role. If you choose a specific role, that's who you are for the rest of the game. If you're "any" you'll switch between all non-human controlled players. More than one person can play "any".

So to answer your question if someone drops one of two things happens. Either the "any" players just take control or, if there aren't any, the computer takes over.

My only criticism is that there really is no decent camera view for playing as a defender. Thinking about it though, you'd probably need a complete view of the pitch to ever get that.
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mr_chimp
22/10/08 @ 14:01
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'you'll be staggering around like a three-legged dog after a kick in the tits'

As Andy Gray would say: 'tek a boo sun.'
gtmacc
22/10/08 @ 14:07
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Fifa's 10v10 game mode is great and all but not not allow us to have less human players on each time for online mode.

Would have really loved there to be2v2 or 5v5 game mode matches online :(.

Still 10 v 10 games are interesting, always loads of goals as its usually played with 10 people on each side running after the ball...
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Aretak
22/10/08 @ 14:12
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Fifa's 10v10 game mode is great and all but not not allow us to have less human players on each time for online mode

Sure it does. Just get 5 people on each team or something and the captains will be booted to unready status. If they both then say they're ready with only 5 (or however many) people on each team, the game will start with that many players.
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22/10/08 @ 15:16
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Damn, FIFA kicks PES all over the palce this year. Although I never expected it PES had it comming for a long time now. With lazy ports and virtually no improvements what so ever for the last few years Konami has been nothing but milking a cow to it's last drop. Well, seems like that cow is dead now better look for a fresh one.
oreillymj
22/10/08 @ 15:29
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What happens if you get sent off.

I'd like to play as a "Chopper Harris" last man back style "sweeper".
Paolo_ray
22/10/08 @ 15:45
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"What happens if you get sent off. "

You have to watch the rest of the match!
jenguin
22/10/08 @ 15:45
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you can have 10 v 10, 5 v5 4v3, 2v2 1v2 - or whatever you like on FIFA.

Plus you don't have to choose to be a specific player, choose the ANY option and you can take control of any player on the pitch (except those that other people have picked)

deepmenace
22/10/08 @ 15:57
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lol @ the last paragraph!

is it meant to sound like this? :

"if you want something thats like a load of shit then get PES. If you want something that's really fucking not shit and really smart and well good get FIFA"
CannonAnBall
22/10/08 @ 16:49
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"Hahaha, PES is attack minded arcadey football :D"


Well, as a supporter of Manchester United I have to admit to liking the attacking-at-pace way of doing things. Total football. It's exciting. You get the right Premiership game and it can be end to end. Thats probably why me and my mates are enjoying Pro Evo.

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22/10/08 @ 16:53
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I'd be more interested in a Be a Pro - Become a Legend comparison.
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22/10/08 @ 16:53
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Why or why will people just refuse to accept Pro Evo is now totally a shower of shit? It's been getting decent reviews. I fear it falls into the Halo 3 category of nobody would dare to slag it off.
ozallez
22/10/08 @ 18:16
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FIFA could've used some work on the lobbies from 08. It can take an age to find a match, people still seem to enjoy parking themselves in the middle of the team select screen. Which would be fine if the system would keep filling the room until the slots are all taken. At present, if there's a spare player waiting, it won't send anyone else in. Minor flaw...
The clubs setup has the potential to sort this, just a case of finding more players on when i am (time zones and such.)
For me its fifa by a mile over pes
Camilitus
22/10/08 @ 18:54
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Why hasn't the PC version of FIFA with all its internet connectivity not got better online options. I bought it assuming it would come with the full range. I'm worried that pressure from mircosoft has asked them to curtail the online features to boost the the Xbox and promote its recent price cut. Cynical I know, but the Private Investigators maxim is "its either love or money", and it ain't the former.
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HolyJebus
22/10/08 @ 19:17
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I love the sounds of playing 10v10.

I think there is also a lot of potential with the camera settings. Since you will always be the one player (usually) you should be able to play with the camera at player height. The games have always looked the best in close but never really been playable when switching players the whole time. It also makes sense now to have your view restricted by opposing players so you are more likely to make the safer, closer passes.

If you are chatting whilst playing is it everyone on your own team that hears you, yeah?
DodgyPast
22/10/08 @ 19:44
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I foresee forum leagues.

EG vs. NeoGaf, or even having a proper go at Gamefaqs.

Pissed off at the crippled PC version, for which I do have Pro EV, though will probably have to grab this when I finally get an XBox
megastar
22/10/08 @ 19:54
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i was umming and aahhing about which to get as ive always been a PES fan. Then I decided on a change and went to morrisons to get FIFA. They didnt have it so I ended up getting PES

Im so weak
mkreku
23/10/08 @ 00:35
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Argh, no! Another article which states FIFA has more fluid player animations than PES, when I think it's totally the opposite! Why? Whyyyy
itsfuzzy
23/10/08 @ 00:58
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As a PES fanboy until the last 2 installations of a so called next gen game, Seabass can suck my hairy nutsack. PES is going backwards. PES on the PS2 3 -4 years ago was the pinnacle. Its all downhill from here. FIFA is were its at now.
marronthered
23/10/08 @ 01:43
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still havent bought either.... im so confused, FIFA was pure shite for years! i cant believe pro evo's fall from grace. hmmmm and another hmmmmmmmmmmm
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23/10/08 @ 13:07
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I ummed and ahhed about which to get this year but I got pro evo in the end... and I love it. It is much better than last year's effort, much more like pro ev at it's pinnacle a few years ago. Online is very good too, only very occassional problems with stuttering.

I found FIFA too slow, not "more realistic", but actually too slow. But anyway, pro evo is not "a shower of shit" as someone said, it's just that FIFA has come on leaps and bounds in the last couple of years and pro evo has only improved a little (not counting last year's effort). But seeing as pro evo was so far ahead before, then I would say that they are almost the same now. For me pro evo is just a little better because I prefer the pacing, but I can see why many people would prefer FIFA.
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