Eurogamer's Top 50 Games of 2007: 20-11

By Eurogamer staff Published 27 December, 2007

Where it usually starts going wrong.

20. Earth Defence Force 2017

D3Publisher / Sandlot / Xbox 360

Simon Parkin: Who'd use ant powder when you can call in EDF! EDF! EDF!

Kieron Gillen: Even above Portal, the game I loved most this year. You know - actual love. Affection. Cuddles. Kissing on the lips and holding hands and skipping. I remember finding myself in Paris, talking to someone who reviewed it for one of the mainstream mags and sharing stories of Enormous-Ant-Love, talking about setting up some kind of fansite full of fan-fiction and art and slash/fic (HOT! Spider/Ant stories) and whatever. And he only gave it 7. Everyone who played the game loved it, but most of them only gave it 7. Because they are all BLOODY COWARDS or their bosses SMELL FUNNY and don't like HAVING FUN or SOMETHING. I mean, how can you give a game that's just fun a high score? That sounds suspiciously like crazy talk and... oh, God, just read my review already. MEN WITH GUNS VERSUS GIANT ANTS. It's a VIDEOGAME.

Dan Whitehead: This is my litmus test game. I recommend it to every friend who buys a 360, fully prepared to disown them should they fail to recognise its clunky brand of brilliance. Amazingly, absolutely everyone who played it has laughed at how technically inept it is, and promptly fallen in love with it regardless. Include online co-op play in the sequel and it'll be the best game of all time. This is scientific fact.

Jim Rossignol: EDF 2017 is the greatest gaming achievement of our time.

Kristan Reed: Now come on, it's a fun game and all that, but this is trendy voting gone mad. 20? Better than The Darkness, God of War 2, Crysis, Ratchet, HL2 Ep2? Cuh'yeahRIGHT. It's the sort of game you can play in half-hour doses and have a blast at the sheer relentlessness of it all, but beyond that it grates. Also, the graphics really are irredeemably bad at times, and although that's not the primary consideration, my brain can't ignore the cheapness of it all. Clearly an acquired taste.

Matt Martin: Goddamn mother[fluffing -Ed] bugs must die!!! Cheap, quality, trash.

19. Skate

EA / Xbox 360, PS3

Matt Martin: Who says EA can't do subtle? The controls are almost perfect. I'd grown tired of the punch-in-the-face presentation of Tony Hawk's games but Skate brought me back to the beauty of simple lines across objects, tabletops and gaps. It's the most relaxed gaming experience I've played for years. Lovely stuff.

Jim Rossignol: I don't even like skating nonsense and I still played this obsessively for months. Hell, if EA designed a "walking down the street just not really doing anything" game called "Pedestrian", and it was done like this, I'd play it.

Kieron Gillen: Who could have known that falling over repeatedly could be so much fun?

Rich Leadbetter: As a debut title to challenge the all-conquering Hawk, this is a very impressive offering. I love its heavily processed visuals, its context-sensitive use of EA Trax audio, and its control method - a logical progression from Hawk's dial-a-combo interface. But its low-slung 'life thru a lens' camera angle really put me off, making even the most basic grinds difficult to get to grips with. Considering how important accessibility is to the average EA game, I was surprised at just how ultra-tough this was. Alas I wasn't so surprised at the shambling PlayStation 3 conversion.

Keza MacDonald: A friend of mine loved this because it has a point button. He seemed to find pointing whilst falling over endlessly entertaining.

18. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Nintendo / Retro Studios / Wii

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John Walker: Good heavens, I love this game. It's exquisite. The level design is just astonishing. But better than HL2 Ep Two? No. Clearly not. Sigh.

Oli Welsh: Unreasonably, I hate this game. Unreasonably because it's beautifully finished, nails first-person controls on the Wii to perfection, and generally delivers most of what a Metroid should. But there's something weary and overdeveloped and by-the-numbers about it; it keeps getting the tone wrong, the design isn't twisted or mysterious or organic enough, it's too Americanised and goal-oriented, and just not bloody scary enough.

Kristan Reed: The best use of the Wii controls so far, in my humble opinion, and one of the three must-have games on the console so far. If you're into shooters, this is up there with Call of Duty 4 and BioShock, and about three times more engaging than Halo 3. Really.

Rob Fahey: Every other developer take note - this is how you do an FPS on the Wii controller. I suspect many people missed MP3 because it came out right in the middle of a host of other great games; if you're among those people, you should definitely have it on your catch-up list for 2008. It feels like a game that spent ages being tweaked and balanced to make it perfect, and every second was time well-spent.

17. Project Gotham Racing 4

Microsoft / Bizarre Creations / Xbox 360

Kristan Reed: Another on my list of "games to play over Xmas". Looks shiny, but I'm a bit bored of PGR games now, I have to admit. Sequelitis kicking in. Sorry Bizarre Creations, I'll do my best.

Tom Bramwell: Subtlety isn't perhaps the most obvious choice when it comes to reeling people back in for game number four, but we still love Bizarre for choosing this approach - PGR4 is an improvement in handling, track design, structure and reward system. So, almost entirely. And yet at a glance - motorbikes excepted - it's pretty much the same. As the final PGR game to be put together by the chaps in Liverpool (since acquired by Activision, for whom they will now be tasked with making a new racing game from scratch), it's the brilliant destination at the end of a journey that began on Dreamcast with Metropolis Street Racer.

Oli Welsh: I think I've probably played this for longer than any other game this year. I still can't quite make my mind up whether it's better than 2; it really comes down to a corner here, a view there, the Morgan Aero 8 and the Mound versus vintage Minis and Macau. Even if it's not as good, that still makes it the second best racing game in the world, with superb, varied event design that makes a mockery Forza's relentless grind.

16. Puzzle Series Vol. 5: Slitherlink

Hudson / DS

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Dan Whitehead: Happy now, Tom? Happy now?

Tom Bramwell: Sadly, I'm not convinced anyone does stalk me virtually, but if they did, then they might have noticed that I was dispatched abroad rather a lot in the period beginning in late May and ending in early September. Indeed, I clocked up enough air miles to officially lick the window to the executive lounge without being tazered, and I only have to eat 4967 more peanuts to qualify for an aisle seat. Anyway, I can honestly say that on one of these flights - a particularly serene nine hours to somewhere American - I turned on my DS at the start and didn't turn it off until landing, and all because of Slitherlink. I've spent more time on it this year than almost any other game, and have sworn at it and grinned at it and recommended it more than any other. I won't recount the concept, because if you haven't picked up on it by now then you deserve the thrill of having it click for you in your very own hands. It will probably never come out here (despite a few deals that almost came off this year that I'm aware of), but the Japanese menus are piss-easy to figure out and it really is the best logic puzzle I've ever encountered. Please buy it. If you regret it, you can always put it on eBay where I will buy it off you so I can make it someone's birthday present for the seventh or eighth time.

Kristan Reed: Shut up about bloody Slitherlink you mentalist!

John Walker: Tom? There's been some sort of mistake. The number one game has appeared at 16. Tom? Kristan? Anyone? Oh no! They've all gone on holiday, and there's no one here to correct this mistake! Readers, you'll have to do the work for them. Cut out this section of your monitor, and glue it over whatever wrongly appeared at number 1 this year. The best puzzle game ever, better than Tetris or Picross or bloody Suckodu, made in the best way possible by the heroes at Hudson, perfectly designed for the DS. 100/10. Slitherlink, congratulations on being the Eurogamer no. 1 game of 2007!

Kieron Gillen: I try very hard to avoid talking to Walker about this. He likes games which involve patterns and stuff, while I like games about Enormous Death Ants. It's a miracle we don't just slash each other to ribbons with ankle-blades.

Simon Parkin: Walker's 10 was an attention-seeking move (in a good way: this kind of obscure Japanese import required a unequivocal, headline-grabbing recommendation to get it noticed) but his unreserved praise was well warranted. This simple puzzle game is hopelessly addictive and that pulse of energy when you finally marry the two ends of the convoluted line is like a shiver down the spine.

Rob Fahey: This feels like a good moment to apologise to my friend Barry, who had to sit next to me on a flight from Tokyo to London on which I played Slitherlink pretty much the whole way. Honestly, at no point was there a real danger that I'd throw my DS Lite across the cabin, and I didn't mean to make you uncomfortable. Slitherlink is an emotional experience, you see - and you just got caught up in the emotion. Sorry, Barry.

15. Okami

Capcom / Clover Studio / PS2

Kristan Reed: Again, a game that might have figured higher on the list if more of the panel had played it. Simply an amazingly ambitious action adventure, easily the equal of Zelda, if not better in many regards, and probably one of the five best games ever made for the PS2. The fact that it's coming out on the Wii should give it a new lease of life - and the fact it's in the hands of the hugely talented Ready At Dawn team gives us hope that the port will be even better with the Wii controls.

Jim Rossignol: When this first turned up I left it idling on our home TV for hours - each frame was an exquisite painting. Anyone passing by couldn't help but pick up the controller and move around, entranced. Truly beautiful and delicately designed - I completely fell in love with it. Shame about the five months of unskippable claptrap at the beginning, but hey, you can't have it all.

John Walker: I watched the introduction, and then tragically died of old age. Hopefully if I ever get to be alive again, I'll actually play the game, which I hear is terribly good.

Tom Bramwell: If you're wondering why this is on the list, having been on it last year, it's because Kristan loves it so much that he unilaterally re-wrote the site's Top 50 policy, antagonising all of our contributors.

Oli Welsh: Hey, I've finally played Twilight Princess, now. This is loads better. Such a shame that the vote got split on this one due to the delayed Euro release; it really deserved a top ten placing, either this year or last. Happily, thanks to the forthcoming Wii version, we get to vote for it a third year in a row, and it couldn't deserve it more. To copy Zelda successfully is unheard of. To actually trump it defies belief.

14. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

Sony / Naughty Dog / PS3

Keza MacDonald: I've not played this much, but hurrah for a male Lara Croft. Unless he's a tosser.

Kristan Reed: Probably would have been higher up in the list if it'd have come out earlier (and more of our panel had played it), but my initial assessment of it being the PS3's best game to date appears to be on the money. Taking all the best bits of Tomb Radier, ICO and Gears of War and moulding them into a comic book action adventure was an inspired decision. Naughty Dog proves yet again what a superb developer it is.

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Tom Bramwell: It's not particularly long, and the combat can become rather boring, but Uncharted gets far too much right to let that stop it. The characters are likeable, believable, brilliantly acted and animated so well that the platforming gives Assassin's Creed's parkour a run (albeit not a free-run) for its money, and the cut-scenes are to be looked forward to rather than skipped. Some of the camerawork and level design is evocative of ICO, and if I had been waiting for a reason to buy a PS3 (rather than automatically buying one as soon as I could because everyone should own all consoles yes all of them chop chop), this and the price cut would have pushed me over the edge, if not thrown me bodily and awarded me 2x ammo for the brutality of my capitulation. Also, this has a female character in it with normal breasts, which is a step in the right direction. Shame she doesn't have an alarming mole on her face though. That would be perfect. And maybe some sort of facial tick.

Rich Leadbetter: After spending so much time wading through the cross-platform sewerage that oozed its way onto PS3 this year, Uncharted is nothing short of a revelation. While its basic Gears of War meets Tomb Raider concept isn't hugely innovative, its execution is nothing short of spectacular. As a technical showcase for PlayStation 3, there's nothing quite like it - it's the first game that truly makes me wonder whether the Xbox 360 can match what PS3 is capable of in the right hands.

Simon Parkin: The most unexpected and pleasant surprise of 2007. It makes me feel like my dad reading Biggles as a young boy in the 1950s: pulp fiction, Boy's Own adventuring inpixellate. With superb voice acting, likeable characters and just the right feel to all of its interactive elements, it's the first game I'd urge somebody to buy a PlayStation 3 for.

13. Final Fantasy XII

Square Enix / PS2

Alec Meer: To whoever voted for this: I bet you you think Coldplay records are edgy and exciting too.

Tom Bramwell: Shame of the page: I still haven't got round to this. Although I understand that it plays itself, so I might leave it to it.

Simon Parkin: We did this last year, no? Wait! This must be why Square-Enix take so f**king long to release their games in Europe...

Oli Welsh: This topped my list last year, when I played it on import. And I generally don't like Final Fantasy or JRPGs, which should tell you all you need to know. A deserving second bite of the cherry then, thanks to the Euro release, and what a swansong for the PS2.

Kristan Reed: I've never understood the appeal, and I don't suppose I ever will!

Rob Fahey: A lot of people don't like Final Fantasy XII - and you know, that's fine. I'm not here to tell you what you can and can't like. All I can tell you is that I like Final Fantasy XII, quite a lot. It's got an epic scale, a narrative sweep that eschews teen melodrama in favour of political intrigue and drops clichés for complexity - and a bold approach to real-time play which uproots much of FF's turn-based history and replaces it with an open, customisable system of interlocking orders and reactions. Its brave, it's brilliant - and it's divisive.

12. Peggle Deluxe

PopCap / PC

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Tom Bramwell: Alec has a lot to answer for.

Jim Rossignol: Peggle is the greatest gaming achievement of our time.

John Walker: Oh dear, another mistake. How embarrassing. They appear to have misspelt "Bookworm Adventures", which is obviously the best PopCap game of the year. Peggle comes in second to the far superior spelling game, and is quite fun. (True story: I was meant to review this for EG, but due to being a lazy idiot, forgot, so Alec did it. And I would have given it the decent 7 it deserves, and then the whole internet would have tried to murder me. So a lucky escape for Peggle, and a lucky escape for me).

Tom Bramwell: Yeah actually, where's Bookworm? And SumoTori? And that keepy-uppy Flash one that uses the mouse?

Kieron Gillen: That this is above Final Fantasy makes me very happy indeed. Appropriate, as Peggle also makes me very happy indeed. Its one of the most inspired designs of the year, from its high concept (Pachinko meets Puzzle Bobble) to its practice (the art is the balance between skill and non-skill - you have just enough latitude to make a decision, but there's enough tension sitting back and seeing how the ball falls) to its execution (ODE TO JOY! RAINBOWS! EXTREME FEVER! SPARKLES EVERYWHERE! ANTS DANCE! Er... actually, no ants) to its post-release follow-ups (EXTREME PEGGLE!). Only Terminally Joyless people called John Walker could diss it.

Simon Parkin: The first game to unite the casual and enthusiast gaming demographics and who'd have thought it would be based on pachinko, a Japanese pastime familiar to neither. Fireworks, 'Ode to Joy' and the lettering 'Extreme Fever!' flashing across the screen condenses everything good and true in videogames into one tiny pixel micro-orgasm.

Alec Meer: Peggle Peggle Peggle, Peggle Peggle Peggle. PEGGLE. I really like Peggle. You should really like Peggle too. If you don't, then I hate you.

11. Pac-Man: Championship Edition

Namco / Xbox 360

Keza MacDonald: People have been playing this for longer than I've been alive. I suppose that counts for something.

Oli Welsh: This really should have made a bigger splash than it did. Pac-Man's original creator returns to the game after decades, and demonstrates that he's no one-hit wonder with a work of enormous ingenuity and simple genius; that is what I call a good story. Surely you can count innovative yet faithful updates of classic arcade games on the fingers of one hand - certainly, Tempest 2000 is the only other one I can think of right now. This is my Live Arcade game of the year, anyway. Shame I'm so very terrible at it.

Rich Leadbetter: This lovely little game has much in common with the brilliant Super Stardust HD (criminally overlooked for this top 50). Both are inspired re-inventions of true gaming classics; just the sort of 'retro evolved' title I really want to see more of on PSN and XBLA as opposed to cringe-making ports with eye-wateringly bad 'HD' graphics.

John Walker: Oh come on.

Kieron Gillen: Metal Gear Solid minus the cut-scenes.

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Tom Bramwell: I am the best at this in the whole of Eurogamer, having spent hours perfecting the basic mode. I just want to make that clear. I wasn't just doing it to annoy Ellie, either (although that was the original reason, obviously); when you burst through your high score with time still on the clock, after so much careful preparation and deft manoeuvring, the panic of trying to carve some success out of the unknown under pressure is unrivalled. Yes, it's absurd that it's this high up the list, but it's somehow rather lovely as well. (I didn't vote for it either, before anyone asks.)

Simon Parkin: Imagine sitting down and deciding to reinvent Pac-Man. Then imagine that what you came up with betters the original. A more unlikely scenario it's difficult to imagine. There are, of course, criticisms that can be levelled against C.E. Setting the game against the clock being the most obvious. But somehow what is a lazy and arbitrary way to provide a challenge is also its masterstroke, allowing score competition between players of all abilities viable and enjoyable.

Dan Whitehead: I admire the work that's gone into completely revamping such a famous game design without actually changing the gameplay all that much, but I'm rubbish at it and therefore hate it.

Matt Martin: Very classy reinvention of that little yellow fella. Looks smooth, very addictive and horribly hypnotic. I bought a Neo Geo Pocket this year so I could play a portable version.

Kristan Reed: Ludicrously addictive. Pac-Man was the reason I got into gaming in the first place back in 1981, and something I still get a curious kick out of 26 years later. The fact that someone like Tom got into this even more than me was actually quite gratifying, and proof that you can bring retro concepts bang up to date without watering down their accessibility or hardcore nature. Live Arcade game of the year, easily.

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  • Tejstar #1 4 years ago

    Nice to see Peggle so high up!

  • alimokrane #2 4 years ago

    Earth Defense Force???? you guys lost it!

  • lost_soul #3 4 years ago

    The best game ever at 15 :-(

  • botherer #4 4 years ago

    I would like to state for the court that my 10 for Slitherlink was in no way an attention seeking move, but rather a long-debated and considered decision, to award the first 10 I've ever given in a decade-long career.

    So there Simon. So there.

  • Kryon #5 4 years ago

    Uncharted not even in the top ten eh? Oh well Apolol, looks like you're predicted number 1 ain't gonna happen this year, what a shocker! :'(

    /sniggers

  • BBIAJ #6 4 years ago

    EDF FTW!

    Easily my GOTY!

  • Gouki #7 4 years ago

    So sad to see gotham there, wait a sec thats still a gud place. Hate typing wot im thinking mmmmmm must have some more prokpie. Really enjoyed gotham this time round (please if your online and racing, please please finish the race even if your loosing, Grrrrr soooooooooooo annoying).

    must play pacman, never get round to it. Thought half-life and crysis mibght have been a little higher but still think so far a gud list. I kno you eurogamer though, you will shock me with Uno or Luxor 2 at the No.1 spot

  • Wyrm #8 4 years ago

    FFXII is like playing an MMORPG on a server consisting of you and you alone.

  • NickNack #9 4 years ago

    Putting games like Peggle and Pacman above Final fantasy, Okami ect is kinda strange. But seeing as none of these lists ever make much sense I'll let it go. You say Metroid prime 3 is 3 times more engaging than Halo 3, yet Halo 3 will get a higher spot.


    Everyone knows your GOTY is between Bioshock and Mario Galaxy anyway so just name the GOTY and be done with it.

  • ruttyboy #10 4 years ago

    "FFXII is like playing an MMORPG on a server consisting of you and you alone. "

    And all the better it is for it, no more having suspension of disbelief shattered by some twat called 'n00bkillzorz!!"£1!' jumping in circles...

  • Katsumoto #11 4 years ago

    ONE person said Metroid was 3 times more engaging than Halo. Don't forget to double check how they vote for this top 50.

  • Dizzy #12 4 years ago

    "You say Metroid prime 3 is 3 times more engaging than Halo 3, yet Halo 3 will get a higher spot. "

    Most would not agree :)

    Anyway.. I dig the whole top 50 list. I would say a good year for gaming. Look at the variety of that list!

  • Whizzo #13 4 years ago

    Earth Defense Force???? you guys lost it!

    Yeah should be higher up in the list, maybe even top 10.

  • Kryon #14 4 years ago

    "FFXII is like playing an MMORPG on a server consisting of you and you alone."

    Agreed, it totally put me off the franchise and has unfortunately killed the main reason for me to own a PS3 (that's assuming squenix carry on in the same decidedly dull direction). Revert back to FFX style of play/battle otherwise I will never buy another FF game.

  • secombe #15 4 years ago

    Putting games like Peggle and Pacman above Final fantasy, Okami ect is kinda strange.

    Why? Surely games like Peggle and Pacman are why we fell in love with games in the first place (and by 'we', I mean the human race)? A well executed simple game is often the best kind. My most played game of the past 3 years is still Zoo Keeper, nothing has come close for pure addiction/enjoyment levels yet.

    I for one am pleased to see the likes of those and Slitherink so high, it proves to me that there are still plenty of games out there that don't need super high-def visuals.

  • NickNack #16 4 years ago

    I've played every hyped game this year and the only one I'm still playing every day since launch is COD4 online. Even my nephew who hates FPS games can't stop playing it. It is the GOTY by a long way, no game this year has the addictive qualities of COD4, no game has the same amount of in your face adrenaline pumping action.

    So what if Bioshock is clever, it gets hella boring after a week, so what if Mario is original, no noe will be playing it this time next year. COD4 knifes them both in the head and then calls in a air strike on their bleeding brains. If you don't vote COD4 as GOTY then you need to find a new job as you have no idea about games.

  • ruttyboy #17 4 years ago

    But wasn't FFX universally critisised for having far too many (exceedingly slow and time consuming) random battles?

  • toythatkills #18 4 years ago

    Slitherlink. Hilarious. You know that came out in 2006 right, and at no point has been released in 2007?

    If there's no actual criteria for being the game of 2007 can I nominate Final Fantasy 7?

  • samaran #19 4 years ago

    pac-man should be higher.

  • Singularity #20 4 years ago

    Peggle! Yay!

  • Pulsar_t #21 4 years ago

    Uncharted not even among the top 10? EG has lost me here.

  • Kryon #22 4 years ago

    @ruttyboy

    I have no problem with random battles, I became extremely addicted to levelling up etc, at least you actually get to play the damn thing, rather then just set up gambits and watch!

    Besides, random battles were always how FF was done, people obviously liked it otherwise it wouldn't have been so successful for the last 20 years...If it ain't broke, don't fix it, especially if you end up with a bore fest like XII (imo)

  • ruttyboy #23 4 years ago

    Perhaps they didn't like it so much as had no alternative?

    Anyway, I don't mind random battles too much either, but with FFX I think the real issue was that each one took a long time and all that swapping in and out of party members just so they got XP? Sheesh... :)

  • Kryon #24 4 years ago

    "Perhaps they didn't like it so much as had no alternative? "

    Well, if you check the comments section in the FFXII review (or any interwebz forum) you'll find a lot of die hard FF fans like me who the new mechanic really doesn't sit well with. Maybe I'm just set in my ways, I guess I'm getting old :(

  • ruttyboy #25 4 years ago

    Don't get me wrong, I didn't like it at first either (I don't think it's very well explained by the game to be honest), but once I delved a little deeper and got some good combos set up it really clicked with me and I enjoyed it a lot.

    I can appreciate both schools but I hope you haven't dismissed it out of hand without giving it a chance. If you still don't like it, fair enough, there's plenty of other turn based stuff about (although less and less sadly).

  • Der_tolle_Emil #26 4 years ago

    Some very good games in this bracket. I actually own most of them and they truly deserve their spot. Especially Earth Defence Force, which is pure fun.

  • stonedben #27 4 years ago

    So top 10 then:
    Bioshock
    Super Mario Galaxy
    Portal
    Call of Duty 4
    Halo 3
    Team Fortress 2
    Phantom Hourglass
    Forza 2
    Mass Effect
    Virtual Fighter 5

    Edit: Probably not in correct order
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 10:42

  • afghan_jones #28 4 years ago

    Now you're just getting silly....

  • Kryon #29 4 years ago

    Trust me mate, I played it for a good 60+ hours because I wanted so badly to like it, I kept hoping & saying to myself "It'll get better, just keep going a bit longer" but it just wasn't for me in the end :)

  • Katsumoto #30 4 years ago

    Stalker will be there somewhere, no doubt. My personal GOTY, and i'm pretty sure a few of the voters agree with me! Or one, at any rate.

  • stonedben #31 4 years ago

    much as I enjoyed stalker, i can't see it getting more votes than anything on that list, which therefore means it isn't one of the 50 best games of the year, or all the EG writers have forgotten it

  • Katsumoto #32 4 years ago

    Hmm, well, I really hope not. I think Jim Rossignol and Alec Meer at least will have put it up pretty highly - I guess it depends on how much each writer's vote counts for.

    I'm not so convinced about Forza 2 and VF5 in your list (I just haven't heard much about them), but I think you'll prob be spot on with the rest! We'll find out tomorrow!

  • NickNack #33 4 years ago

    Earth defence force should have had online co-op play. Leaving it out was a massive mistake.

  • Davey #34 4 years ago

    So you're saying pac-man is a better game than Uncharted? If given a choice between only playing pac-man and Uncharted; you'd pick the little moving yellow dot with a mouth? Right, kay.

  • Big-Swiss #35 4 years ago

    Virtua Fighter 5, good graphics, after that, flush it!
    I mean it is hard to make such a Top 50 List, but at least explain on what the top 50 is based on. I mean A game like Eye of Jusgement deserves a spot, but for sure not a top 10, so yeah. Something I dislike about a lot of FPS kinda games on the PS3, goddamit, you got 7 controlspots, so at least 4 Player multiplayer should always be available splitscreen, some don't have a right TV for it, ok, the ones who have would have the chance to take advantage, at least give the dam option, that is one of the most disapointments for me so far regarding Team Fortress and such games, only good online Multiplayer, but my chaps who visit me, don't like to watch me play. Take a example of WARHAWK, or sportsgames like Soccer (FIFA and PRo Evo) or NHL within a few seconds, they press Start and join the fun! Give us more homearena fun! and the best thing about Warhawk is the combo between splitcreen and online, we know it is possible, so for fuck sake do it!!!!

  • Cannibal #36 4 years ago

    This is just terrible. EDF? Pac Man at 11? FF and Okami in there 2 years running?

    What's next, Kane and Lynch in the top 10!?

  • dudefella #37 4 years ago

    Shambles. Absolute shambles.

  • Apostle #38 4 years ago

    Peggle Extreme?! Ok, I'm really not taking this list seriously now. Just a bit of fun, aint it lads? Is it??!

    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 11:07

  • symbiote #39 4 years ago

    Fucking PacMan?

  • Katsumoto #40 4 years ago

    @ Big Swiss - I believe they do explain what the top 50 is based on in the first feature, i.e. the 50-41 bit.

    They all individually email in with their votes, then Tom adds them up, or something. They DON'T all sit around discussing it. This is not their collective top 50, it is an amalgamation of many people's separate top 50s.

  • Kryon #41 4 years ago

    @Davey

    "If given a choice between only playing pac-man and Uncharted; you'd pick the little moving yellow dot with a mouth? Right, kay."

    Well to be fair, if you mean you had to pick one game to take to a desert island and never play anything else forever more, of course it would be pac-man. Uncharted (however good it is) doesn't really have that much replay value compared to the pac, does it?

  • The-Bodybuilder #42 4 years ago

    >"I can only assume that Mass effect is in the top 10 thus rendering Krudsters awful review obsolete. "

    Huzzah.
    That aweful, AWFUL review has indeed been rendered obsolete. Now people can just review it's ranking in the top 50, rather than reading that AWFUL review.

    Have I mentioned how AWFUL that review was? AWFUL it was. AWFUL.

    Edit: Thank you, stonedben.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 12:04

  • cak #43 4 years ago

    Slitherlink, yes! Man I was so scared it would make it to the top 5.... which would be a shame, since Picross is so much better obviously.

    Anyway, it seems the top 10 may be fairly generic, something like:

    SMG
    Cod4
    Bioshock
    Halo3
    Portal
    TeamFortress2
    Warhawk
    Zelda PH
    Mass Effect
    Forza2

    But probably, a couple of these will be inexplicably left out. Mass Effect is a good candidate.

  • stonedben #44 4 years ago

    @The Bodybuilder: I think you mean awful ;-)

    I would have been suprised if warhawk and stalker weren't in the top 50 before it began, but i'd be even more suprised if they were in the top 10. MAYBE stalker stands a chance against VF5. I'm not sure.

  • paulf #45 4 years ago

    dont forget crackdown for the top ten, probably around 6 or 7

  • Mordum #46 4 years ago

    So, off the top of my head, the games I can think of that have'nt featured yet (and comparing to the list so far surely must), and I only own a 360 at the moment, so I can't comment on other formats candidates:

    - COD4
    - Halo 3
    - Forza 2
    - Crackdown
    - Mass Effect
    - Bio-Shock

    Oh, and good call on EDF 2017, I bought the game just before Christmas (£14.99 from Play.com), and so far I'm finding it a blast.

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #47 4 years ago

    "Now come on, [EDF2017]'s a fun game and all that, but this is trendy voting gone mad. 20? Better than The Darkness, God of War 2, Crysis, Ratchet, HL2 Ep2?"

    About a fucking million times better, yes. You can't measure quality by polygon count, and EDF is just an utterly glorious *game*, even for hours at a stretch. And in any event, anyone who says the graphics are bad who's been on the beach level at sunset as bewilderingly vast motherships drop an army of gigantic, gleaming metal robots firing dazzling pink and blue neon plasma beams at you, while swarms of lethal flying gunships relentlessly harry you as you attempt to get far enough back not to get caught in the explosions of your rockets... well, they're blind as well as fucking stupid.

    I guarantee this is better than all but three of the top 50, and regularly selling for under £15 new, anyone with a 360 who doesn't own it is frankly a dick. Kristan's pretty much sealed his reputation as the most definitively, reliably wrong reviewer on EG's staff here.

  • dudefella #48 4 years ago

    Lol, I'm a dick for not owning a game? Popular chap, aren't you?

    So what makes your shit stink less than the rest of us? Your opinion is law, is that it?

  • orakio #49 4 years ago

    Amusing to see people's end-of-the-year-dream of getting their game into the top 10 or alternatively, their wish NOT to see a game in there, is once again shattered into microscopic fragments.
    Look at that one! Steam's already coming out of his head!
    *pun intended*

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #50 4 years ago

    Well, you certainly *sound* like a dick.

    Christ, even Rob Fahey managed to like Slitherlink, so he's not totally beyond hope. But anyone not in love with EDF is worse than Hitler's dad, and that's SCIENTIFIC FACT.

  • beastmaster #51 4 years ago

    My 360 top 5

    1. COD 4
    2. Pro Evo
    3. Sega Rally
    4. Mass Effect
    5. Stranglehold

    SG by Mr Minter at No 1. Now that would cause an uproar :-)

    Roll on 2008. Not got a PS3 yet, but may have to get one if White Knight Story turns out well. Not arsed about MGS, GT etc. Got a Sony fanboy here who things MGS will be the best game ever. It won't be. Just want Frontier to hurry up, get The Outsider out of the way and then bring us Elite 4. GOTY in 2010! And best game ever!!!

  • Max_Powers #52 4 years ago

    Mass Effect won't make it in the top 10. And deservedly so.

    I just hope CoD 4 gets the recognition it deserves. I found it better and fresher than Halo 3 (despite being a huge Halo fanboy) and the fact that it is selling faster than Mario Galaxy at the moment must mean something as well.

    I worry that if it was the same game with an original IP attached in stead of the 4 numeric, it would easily be a contender for the number 1 spot.

  • The-Bodybuilder #53 4 years ago

    >"Mass Effect won't make it in the top 10. And deservedly so. "

    Shut your mouth, you dirty old tramp.
    It will, without a doubt.

    More interestingly, since someone mentioned pro evo, where is FIFA 08? Top 10?
    IMO, it's better than pro this year, and the online be a pro mode is enough to warrant it into the top 10.

  • Pulsar_t #54 4 years ago

    I still don't know why many of you here are rabid for CoD4, admittedly I only played the sp campaign, but that's like playing a "Sonic 4" in 1996; fps has moved on and CoD is stuck in the same endlessly-spawning-enemies, linear-mode gameplay. MP can't possibly be better than the likes of Battlefield and Quake Wars?!

  • Drpwnage #55 4 years ago

    I have played plenty of tactical shooter FPS games over the years, including a long stint on CSS, I am tired of them, so personally COD4 MP holds no attraction for me whatsoever. Whereas I have no history of playing the Halo games online so Halo 3 MP feels fresh and fun to me.

  • George-Roper #56 4 years ago

    Poor Apologie. Whatever will he make of Uncharteds position?

  • afghan_jones #57 4 years ago

    Portal
    Halo 3
    Bioshock
    Crackdown
    SMG
    Mass Effect
    COD4
    Team Fortress 2
    Stalker
    Phantom Hourglass
    Forza 2
    Flatout UC
    Stranglehold

    see, now Im confused because thats too many games to fit into the top 10 but if any of them have been pushed out of the top 50 by some of the utter shite thats clogging up this list so far then somethings gone wrong somewhere.

  • ParanoidZombie #58 4 years ago

    mass effect is my GOTY. And if eurogamer, gamespot, IGN and the whole milky way don't agree and put COD4 instead, well I wouldn't give much of a fuck, actually.... Well, actually, I would, but I won't admit it.

  • RedPanda #59 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • stonedben #60 4 years ago

    oh, of course. good call on crackdown

  • Kryon #61 4 years ago

    "Poor Apologie. Whatever will he make of Uncharteds position?"

    I know! I can't wait for the three legged donkey to get here and start his hilarious whining!

  • paulf #62 4 years ago

    @drpwnage

    I have played plenty of tactical shooter FPS games over the years, including a long stint on CSS, I am tired of them, so personally COD4 MP holds no attraction for me whatsoever. Whereas I have no history of playing the Halo games online so Halo 3 MP feels fresh and fun to me.

    I wouldnt call cod4 online a tactical shooter - gameplay wise it has more in common with halo3 than it does counterstrike, give it a try you might like it

  • NthSimulachum #63 4 years ago

    EDF! EDF! EDF!

    Like the taste of my bullets?

    "We have called these aliens RAVAGERS. We do not yet know if their intentions are peaceful, or slightly more sinister!"

  • Pablo2k5 #64 4 years ago

    Eurogamer, how old are you guys? Fucking twelve?

  • dudefella #65 4 years ago

    "
    I wouldnt call cod4 online a tactical shooter - gameplay wise it has more in common with halo3 than it does counterstrike, give it a try you might like it"

    Haha, you must not have played either Halo or Call of Duty or Counterstrike. Anyone who says CoD is more like Halo than it is like CS is bonkers. In both CS and CoD you die in 2-3 bullets, there are no frigging recharging shields or vehicles to drive, the setting is realistic, do you really need me to go on?

  • Penguinzoot #66 4 years ago

    the setting is realistic

    Um .... it's a game.

  • Strac #67 4 years ago

    I'm still rooting for ace combat 6 though. it rocks

  • anamenos #68 4 years ago

    you have no idea Eurogamer....

  • Shinji #69 4 years ago

    Christ, even Rob Fahey managed to like Slitherlink, so he's not totally beyond hope.

    My pure and innocent adoration for Slitherlink is now tainted by your unwelcome approval. I'm off to trade my copy in for the new Need for Speed game :(


    I'm still rooting for ace combat 6 though. it rocks

    Can people stop posting here and making me feel really guilty about fantastic stuff I totally forgot to include in my votes? Ta.

  • Apologie #70 4 years ago

    eurogamer is way off... i couldn't disagree more with the list so far, Uncharted at the 14 place??? lol no disrespect for Halo but if Halo 3 get's 1st or 2nd place i'm done with these biased site.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 13:15

  • Katsumoto #71 4 years ago

    Rar! Its done by votes! Rar! They didn't sit down and decide to put Uncharted at 14! Rar!

    Still, Gears of War was obviously the 13th best game this year, and, while I had agreed with every single choice up until that one, I can now do nothing but declare EG a bunch of arrogant tossers.

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #72 4 years ago

    "My pure and innocent adoration for Slitherlink is now tainted by your unwelcome approval."

    Don't worry - by (apparently single-handedly) getting yet another monumentally tedious and po-faced FF game higher than it in the charts, I still think you're a tasteless oaf. Just not quite as much as Kristan.

  • Shinji #73 4 years ago

    Don't worry - by (apparently single-handedly) getting yet another monumentally tedious and po-faced FF game higher than it in the charts, I still think you're a tasteless oaf.

    Oh, thank god for that. I thought we'd crossed into an unpleasant alternate dimension for a few moments there, but I guess it was just some kind of weird coincidence.

  • neuroniky #74 4 years ago

    @Dudefella

    "Haha, you must not have played either Halo or Call of Duty or Counterstrike. Anyone who says CoD is more like Halo than it is like CS is bonkers. In both CS and CoD you die in 2-3 bullets, there are no frigging recharging shields or vehicles to drive, the setting is realistic, do you really need me to go on?"

    Well, only that the recharging shields in COD4 are replaced by the "bleeding red screen of damage", which is exactly the same as the shields in Halo... and I don't think setting matters much when speaking of gameplay, it's just bells and whistles above the gameplay strata...

    Now, CoD is fun, not my favoured MP game this year but it's a good one, but it's far from being a tactical shooter in the vein of Counterstrike or Rainbow Six. It's intense but relies much more on reflexes and instinct than on tactics; it doesn't have the spaces nor the variety, nor the intrinsic need for coordination of Battlefield, it doesn't have classes as varied as those you can play in TF2, and it doesn't have the tension nor the tactical approach of Rainbow Six... I think Halo is actually the most similar game out there in style, even if the setting is much different and the pace of Halo is deliberately slower (something I actually like), so I tend to agree to whoever said this before me.

  • Apologie #75 4 years ago

    The top 10 best games of 2007 (Re-Mix):

    1st place: Call Of Duty 4
    2nd place: Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
    3rd place: God of War 2
    4th place: Mass Effect
    5th place: Bioshok
    6th place: Forza 2
    7th place: Ratchet&Clank: Tools of destruction
    8th place: Unreal Tournment 3
    9th place: Halo 3
    10th place: Crysis
    Edited by 2 at 27/12/07 @ 13:28

  • Kryon #76 4 years ago

    LOL @ Apolol

    Mate, I don't think you quite get how it works, Uncharted is number 14 hence cannot also occupy second place.

  • paulf #77 4 years ago

    I didnt wanna get into an arguement on the semantics of what is a tactical vs arcade shooter but if you have played any multiplayer fps then give cod4 a shot because imo it's one of the best

    and thanks to neuroniky for elaborating on my point more eloquently than I could have
    Edited by 2 at 27/12/07 @ 14:12

  • Apologie #78 4 years ago

    My favorite on-line games: COD 4 and Warhawk (32 players in warhawk is sick).

  • Feanor #79 4 years ago

    "Revert back to FFX style of play/battle otherwise I will never buy another FF game."

    Don't worry, you'll be replaced many times over by those who realize random battles are well past their used by date.

  • Nithron #80 4 years ago

    Uh...I seriously hope you guys put Orange Box in there as well as HL2: Ep2 individually, because by god, if you've put bloody pacman above it in this list, I will never trust another word you say ever again.

  • Feanor #81 4 years ago

    "I can only assume that Mass effect is in the top 10 thus rendering Krudsters awful review obsolete."

    If you couldn't handle krudster's very reasonable criticisms of Mass Effect, I think your brain will explode if you listen to the latest 1upyours podcast. So please listen to it as soon as possible.

    http://www .1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3144909

  • stephen #82 4 years ago

    <3 peggle
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 13:44

  • Kryon #83 4 years ago

    @Feanor

    LOL! Mate, you own Cooking Mama, what kind of a man are you? Don't ever speak to me again.

  • Feanor #84 4 years ago

    It's my wife's.

  • Kryon #85 4 years ago

    ^^ Yeah, OK, course it is matey...

    /edges away with back to the wall.

  • Santino #86 4 years ago

    i hope VF5 makes the top ten and wasn't forgotten in the voting. its my number 2 for the year anyway behind galaxy.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 14:04

  • Yossarian #87 4 years ago

    kristan is probably the grumpiest man imaginable. just read his comments on everything!

  • ruttyboy #88 4 years ago

    @ lavalant

    Yes, it *proves* it. Definitely. Absolutely.

    Just like if a game that got 8/10 is *without fail* worse than a game that got 9/10 from the viewpoint of someone other than the reviewer.

    Why is everyone flipping out? I'd have RE4 in the top 10 but I'm not crying that it's not.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 14:06

  • Katsumoto #89 4 years ago

    @ rutty - shush, we don't like reasoned thinking here! As I said, if a non-collaborative voting system doesn't produce the exact top 10 I want, then I'll burn down the EG office while they're in it.

  • Feanor #90 4 years ago

    "1up are americanised 12 year old kids anyway, the only games they like are fps."

    That's rubbish. Shane is the second loudest voice on the podcast and doesn't like first-person games at all.

  • Mr_Brown #91 4 years ago

    Yep I expect the top 5 to consist of SMG, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4 and Phantom Hourglass.

    Though I bet Bioshock will get top spot (every games mag/site seems to be bumming this game). Personally haven't played it (due to financial constraints) looks good, but not BEST GAME EV4HH!!! good. Would like to see SMG or Call of Duty 4 as top personally.

  • ruttyboy #92 4 years ago

    IT DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING!

    Sorry to shout, but a review is one person's opinion, this top 50 equals the average of *many* people's opinions. If the original reviewer still holds the same opinion (as I imagine he will) it matters naught if his low vote is drowned out by lots of high votes. It's really not that hard to understand and rationalise these things FFS.

    What is this constant need for validation of peoples' own opinions?
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 14:25

  • Katsumoto #93 4 years ago

    +1 to Rutty. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of these people know how the voting system works in this Top 50.

  • Diomedes117 #94 4 years ago

    I'm going to get Earth Defense Force!! I just hope COD4 isn't GOTY, Eurogamer is better than that!

  • Katsumoto #95 4 years ago

    But how can a reviewer, or anyone, base their assessment of a game on anything other than whether they liked it or not? They can't say "well I thought it was shit, but I suppose someone else might like it"? What exactly are you proposing, I don't quite understand?

    I'd say they are professional reviewers because they are professional writers and can express their opinion in a more lucid and enjoyable way than the layman, but its still an opinion at the end of the day, as far as I can tell.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 14:39

  • JediMasterMalik #96 4 years ago

    @Feanor - Don't respond to Kryon. Just don't. It's bad for your health.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 14:37

  • Daymare #97 4 years ago

    I bet if all of us posting here were invited to participate in making of EG top 50 2007, the results would be equally "funny" (funny as in: Pac-man above this, Assassin's Creed below that, etc.). So, ffs, stop bitching:)

  • ruttyboy #98 4 years ago

    Well Matt, that depends on whether you believe it's possible to accurately, objectively and scientifically quantify 'fun'. Which I believe to be self-evidently impossible.

    Or perhaps a review should focus on actual technical achievement only, we could have graphs and charts like a GFX card review!

    How can an opinion transcend it's own being and become something else entirely just because it is paid for?

    And who is forcing all these people to treat a review as doctrine, there seems to be a lot of internal conflict going on because what their own mind is telling them is contradicting with THE SACRED SCORE.

  • ruttyboy #99 4 years ago

    "ruttboy I doubt eurogamer are in the habit of allowing any old scores on games and would have some sort of collective decision."

    What? You mean don't know *exactly* how EG's reviews process works? TBH I'm shocked and I hate to admit it but I'm beginning to worry about the validity of the 'proof' you set forth earlier...

  • VMerken #100 4 years ago

    Indestructable Pac-Man yay!

  • Kryon #101 4 years ago

    SDFMasterMalik, you're not Feanor's mother, he doesn't need you to babysit him, does he?

  • Katsumoto #102 4 years ago

    Don't be patronising! I've forgotten how this started now. Something to do with the Mass Effect review? I'm pretty sure Kristan is qualified enough to do what you've described - he's played countless RPGs i'm sure. But maybe that wasn't you saying that. I can't remember. La la.

    All the EG staff have been playing and writing about games for years at the end of the day, and I'm sure we can trust them to deliver a well-reasoned opinion.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 14:49

  • ruttyboy #103 4 years ago

    Ah I see what you're saying now Matt, a review isn't just an opinion, no, it's an informed opinion. Well I stand corrected.

  • Trikk #104 4 years ago

    ETQW on top 10 or you're all insane.

    Edit: CoD4 is hyped beyond belief and doesn't bring much new to the table compared to the previous games in the series. Multiplayer is dumbed-down Counter-Strike with leaning and singleplayer is the old walk into room-scripted event-shoot bad guys-repeat.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 14:56

  • viper_h #105 4 years ago

    Where's mario strikers? :(

    Spent more time on that with my mate this year than any other game.

  • ruttyboy #106 4 years ago

    The thing I'm struggling with though is how you can differentiate between a 'review' and an 'opinion'? Surely they're the same thing but with a numerical score tagged onto the bottom of one? Does writing down, "CoD4? It's was alright, a bit short though." make it into a review rather than saying it out loud?

    I think the crucial thing with reviews is not how it is presented, or which site it is on but *who* is doing the review, in other words *whose* opinion it is.

  • Apologie #107 4 years ago

    pS3: KILLZONE SERIES Grand Turismo SERIES SOCOM SERIES GOD OF WAR SERIES FINAL FANTASY SERIES WARHAWK METAL GEAR SOLID SERIES TEKKEN SERIES Resistance SERIES Ratchet and Clank SERIES TWISTED METAL SERIES SHADOW OF COLOSSUS SERIES ZONE OF ENDERS SERIES KINGDOME HEARTS SERIES GENJI SERIES motorstorm SERIES Unreal Tournament Hot Shots Golf SERIES HEAVENLY SWORD UNCHARTED* LITTLE BIG PLANET* Haze

    XBOX 360: HALO 3 GEARS OF WAR SERIES FABLE SERIES Ace Combat 6 Project Gothom Racing SERIES Splinter Cell Naruto Dead rising Beautiful Katamari Viva Pinata SERIES Banjo-Kazooie 3 bioshock mass effect* Halo Wars* Eternal Sonata* ALAN wake*

    wich do you guy's prefer????

  • ruttyboy #108 4 years ago

    Did I miss something? WTF is that? ^^

  • George-Roper #109 4 years ago

    Oh, Apologie....

  • Katsumoto #110 4 years ago

    I'm not a fanboy

    Teehee.

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #111 4 years ago

    "Gamers all have different tastes. A reviewer should be able to elevate themselves above those tastes and see a game from every perspective."

    So what you're saying is, the only people qualified to review videogames are Derren Brown and God.

  • Kryon #112 4 years ago

    Apolol, I've already told you that Haze is no longer a PS3 exclusive and to be fair mate, MS will probably buy out half of those other titles as well by the time they're due for release...

  • Daymare #113 4 years ago

    Who's God?

  • paulf #114 4 years ago

    isn't a review an just an opinion that you agree with?

  • ruttyboy #115 4 years ago

    In reference to Apololololol:

    Oh! Is that outburst part of some kind of ongoing childish campaign?

    I haven't seen this user around before. I take it he's a PS3 fan?
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 15:24

  • Kryon #116 4 years ago

    "I haven't seen this user around before"

    You've missed out on some serious comedy gold then :-)
    The guy is a lunatic.

  • wayn3h #117 4 years ago

    I love the way MOST OF THE PS3 PART OF THE LIST IS IN CAPS TO MAKE IT LOOK EVEN MORE SUPER AWESOMELY MASSIVE!

    360 for me too.

    Imbecile.

  • ruttyboy #118 4 years ago

    "Kryon, you're no better than apologie."

    Well there's an easy test to decide that.

    Is the popular racing games series called:

    a) Gran Turismo

    or

    b) Grand Turismo

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #119 4 years ago

    Man! Did I miss the release of a PS3 Gran Turismo game? How long was I asleep?

  • Kryon #120 4 years ago

    cthulhu_steev, you probably are Apologie with a different user name. You make roughly the same amount of sense as him at any rate...

  • afghan_jones #121 4 years ago

    Apologie: You are a prat.

    Games you listed which are either shit or average at best: Resistance, Twisted Metal, ZOE, Genji, Heavenly sword.

    Games you listed which to date are not part of a series: Resistance, Shadow of colossus, Motorstorm

    Games you listed which will most likely appear on 360 as well as PS3: UT3, Haze, probably MGS, GT and Socom too.

    Games you listed which have actually been released for PS3: Warhawk, R & C, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword,

    I definitely prefer Halo 3, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Dead Rising, PGR4, Forza 2, Flatout UC, Bioshock, Orange Box (the version that isnt a shitty port), Viva Pinata, Crackdown,

    (Making a fanboy nerd list is a filthy yet satisfying guilty pleasure.)

  • Svecke #122 4 years ago

    Nice to see Peggle hit just the right spot on the list. Though HL2:Ep2 should still be higher up. :p

  • wayn3h #123 4 years ago

    I don't know why Apololololol even bothers. He gets shot down and proven wrong within seconds of posting. Bless his little cotton socks....
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 15:39

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #124 4 years ago

    "So your opinion is the same level of opinion as that of any old guy is it?"

    Hell no. Mine is much better, obviously, but not because I look at it from more angles or rise above my own tastes or anything so absurd.

  • Apologie #125 4 years ago

    Kryon, you are the biggest fanboy ever... i never ever saw you giving unbiased opinions about anything console related... everything is shit if it comes from Sony, and everything is gold if it comes from Microsoft, as simple as that... so why do you feel any different?? do yourself a favor a shut up....

    I prefer Sony exclusives... altough i must admit that in 2007 both machines (x360 and Ps3) were balanced, now 2008 will be a different story....
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 15:52

  • The-Bodybuilder #126 4 years ago

    >"I think your brain will explode if you listen to the latest 1upyours podcast. So please listen to it as soon as possible."

    I don't need to. I'm fully confident that 1up loved it too.

    /puts fingers in ears.

    tralalalalalalala

  • Kryon #127 4 years ago

    "I prefer Sony exclusives... altough i must admit that in 2007 both machines (x360 and Ps3) were balanced."

    Hahahahahaaaa! Priceless! XD

    "everything is shit if it comes from Sony, and everything is gold if it comes from Microsoft"

    Funny, I remember having a discussion with you just a few days ago where I was talking openly about how Halo games weren't for me. Or did you conveniently forget about that? I've just called myself a 'die-hard Final Fantasy fan' in this very thread, doesn't sound like I'm the fanboy really, does it Apolol....

  • afghan_jones #128 4 years ago

    "altough i must admit that in 2007 both machines (x360 and Ps3) were balanced,"


    Sorry, but they really really REALLY REALLY weren't. at all.

  • Apologie #129 4 years ago

    " I've just called myself a 'die-hard Final Fantasy fan "

    Kryon, i'm so proud of you son... when will you buy your Ps3??? :)

    altough not beign your type (Halo3), you defended it to the max and said it was great (as we can see by your comments in the past)... so that lead us to conclude that even when you don't especially apreciate a X360 game, you still defend it like a masterpiece...
    Edited by 2 at 27/12/07 @ 16:03

  • afghan_jones #130 4 years ago

    "Kryon, i'm so proud of you son... when will you buy your Ps3??? :) "


    Probably when theres enough games to make it worth spaffing £300 on. Say... 2010? maybe?

  • The-Bodybuilder #131 4 years ago

    >"I'm pretty sure Kristan is qualified enough to do what you've described - he's played countless RPGs i'm sure."

    IMO, I agree with you, all the way.
    But for someone who's played a lot of rpgs to start a review moaning that there is "too much talking" and not enough of the shooty bits is a bit odd, isn it? That's like moaning that there is too much driving and not enough MMO elements in test drive unlimited.

  • Apologie #132 4 years ago

    @afghan_jones

    you didn't understood... he likes Final Fantasy, hell, he's even a die-hard fan... Final Fantasy is a Ps3 exclusive that equals, Kryon (leader of the 360 Trolls) buying a Ps3. Kryon you Judas. :)
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 16:10

  • secombe #133 4 years ago

    If Endless Ocean isn't one of the Top 50 titles of 2007 I'm giving up now :)

  • The-Bodybuilder #134 4 years ago

    >" prefer Sony exclusives... altough i must admit that in 2007 both machines (x360 and Ps3) were balanced, now 2008 will be a different story.... "

    Man, I just love apololol.
    He's the first troll I've ever had to TAKE OFF my ignore list.

  • JediMasterMalik #135 4 years ago

    Then give up now. Seriously, why endless ocean?

  • Kryon #136 4 years ago

    @Apolol

    Like afghan_jones said, I'll buy a PS3 when it's worth my while, there is only one exclusive (Uncharted) that I have any interest in on the PS3 at the moment. Why would I buy a console for 8 hours of fun? As for me 'defending' Halo, that's utter nonsense. I stated it wasn't to my tastes but admitted that it was an important game to those who enjoyed it. You come across more like a primate with every post man, do carry on ;-)

  • convercide #137 4 years ago

    Earth Defence Force! Woohoo! It may not have the best graphics ever but where else can you destroy a city and 500 ants with a grenade launcher that fires 1000 grenades?

  • The-Bodybuilder #138 4 years ago

    @ Kryon

    Why are you bothering?
    Is it possible to reason with a lunatic? To explain colour to a blindman? To teach advanced mathematics to a fool?

    Leave the fool to his folly.

  • Amoebalove #139 4 years ago

    @ apologie

    you're a cock

  • Kryon #140 4 years ago

    @The Bodybuilder

    LOL, I know what you mean but I get some perverse guilty pleasure out of pwning the monkey XD

  • Apologie #141 4 years ago

    Kryon said: "I stated it wasn't to my tastes but admitted that it was an important game to those who enjoyed it."

    wow, congratulations, that's some insightful philosophical thought man, brilliant... lol, if someone enjoy's something, that something (despite its quality) will alway's be important for that someone.... again, brilliant, a primate couldn't do better.
    Edited by 2 at 27/12/07 @ 16:22

  • Kryon #142 4 years ago

    "primate couldn't do better"

    Go on then Apolochimp ;-)

  • wayn3h #143 4 years ago

    I actually do find it hard to believe I share the same gene pool as Apololololol... Something aint right..

  • convercide #144 4 years ago

    @wayn3h^!

    Yeah but some people swim in the shallow end if you catch my drift.

  • Dixons #145 4 years ago

    "I prefer Sony exclusives... altough i must admit that in 2007 both machines (x360 and Ps3) were balanced"

    ...

    Oh dear. Won't somebody tell him?

  • Apologie #146 4 years ago

    The Bodybuilder

    @ Kryon

    Why are you bothering?
    Is it possible to reason with a lunatic? To explain colour to a blindman? To teach advanced mathematics to a fool?

    ------------------------------------


    Bodybuilder... stop talking from your ass man, oh, i see... you want to seduce Kryon, ok.

  • zoidberg #147 4 years ago

    oh come on... all of these are BETTER THAN HL2 EP 2 ?!?!?! WTF EG?!?!?!

  • The-Bodybuilder #148 4 years ago

    @ Kryon

    Actually I do understand, why do you think I took him off my ignore list? :)

  • SuperBas #149 4 years ago

    EDF was a great choice. It was amazing fun. It's cheap, but I still hope for a sequel with Live play.

  • Kryon #150 4 years ago

    @The Bodybuilder

    Well, you do have to admit that Apolol's inane fuckwittery is rather amusing at times XD

  • Scimarad #151 4 years ago

    Kristan = Dead Inside (on several issues!) ;-)

  • The-Bodybuilder #152 4 years ago

    Without a doubt.
    I just wonder how long it will last for.

  • kentmonkey #153 4 years ago

    I read this at work today when there was a fairly decent conversation happening but I can't post from there.

    Now I've come home and can post and...and...and...well it's not really worth it anymore. TBH, the only people likely to still be reading after the last two pages of that tedious shit (comments, not article) aren't really people I'm likely going to enjoy discussing the Top 50 with.

  • dudefella #154 4 years ago

    1up is shit.

    Anyway, the tactical shooter argument: I don't think CounterStrike can be compared to real tactical shooters like Rainbow Six/Ghost Recon at all. CounterStrike is no more a tactical shooter than CoD4. To be clear, I never said CoD4 is a tactical shooter, I just said it is MORE similar to CS than it is to Halo, which I don't think is an unreasonable thing to say??

  • dustrat #155 4 years ago

    EDF! EDF! EDF!

  • dudefella #156 4 years ago

    Oh and at least this year Kieron isn't saying 'They're still making Game X? How quaint' about EVERY OTHER FUCKING GAME. That annoyed me a lot.

  • Amoebalove #157 4 years ago

    @ apologie

    you are without a doubt the biggest fanboy in the history of fanboys! your blind devotion to an inanimate object is startling and you really need to re read some of your posts.

    i think we should do a top ten of our favorite apolo comments, they can range from the bizarre to the outright bullshit. i'm going with this one as it proves he can look at a game with complete objectivity and is in no way a fanboy!

    'The first Heavenly Sword was simply breathtaking, the graphics and cut-scenes of the game were better directed and technically more impressive then 90% of hollywood films... as amazing as that.'

    Ha! classic apolo.

  • Apologie #158 4 years ago

    Yeah, let's do it... how about these Amoebalove

    IBM, Sony, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and Toshiba Unveil Cell Processor

    Cell is optimized for compute-intensive workloads and broadband rich media
    applications, including computer entertainment, movies and other forms of digital content.
    Other highlights of the Cell processor design include:
    • Multi-thread, multicore architecture.
    • Supports multiple operating systems at the same time.
    • Substantial bus bandwidth to/from main memory, as well as companion chips.
    • Flexible on-chip I/O (input/output) interface.
    • Real-time resource management system for real-time applications.
    • On-chip hardware in support of security system for intellectual property protection.
    • Implemented in 90 nanometer (nm) silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology.
    Additionally, Cell uses custom circuit design to increase overall performance, while
    supporting precise processor clock control to enable power savings.
    IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba will disclose more details about Cell in four technical papers
    scheduled for presentation at the International Solid State Circuits Conference.
    “Less than four years ago, we embarked on an ambitious collaborative effort with Sony
    Group and Toshiba to create a highly-integrated microprocessor designed to overcome imminent
    transistor scaling, power and performance limitations in conventional technologies," said Dr. John
    E. Kelly III, senior vice president, IBM. “Today, we're revealing just a sampling of what we
    believe makes the innovative Cell processor a premiere open platform for next-generation
    computing and entertainment products.”

    IBM, SONY AND SCEI POWER-ON CELL PROCESSOR-BASED WORKSTATION
    PROTOTYPE

    The prototype workstation is the first computing application planned for the highlyanticipated Cell processor.
    The companies expect that a one rack Cell processor-based workstation will reach a
    performance of 16 teraflops or trillions of floating point calculations per second.

    “The supercomputer-like processing and performance of the Cell processorbased
    workstation is just the beginning of what we expect will be a wide-range of powerful nextgeneration solutions resulting from our joint development efforts.”
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 18:45

  • Amoebalove #159 4 years ago

    @ apologie

    what the hell are you on about? are you trying to be ironic?

  • Kryon #160 4 years ago

    @Amoebalove

    This all time classic Apolol has got to make it in the top ten:

    "If you retards werent so narrowminded and ignorant (Bcolter Kryon and phatb0y )... i would actually advise all of you to read that "article" (my last post), but that's useless."

    This one's pretty good aswell:

    "Resistance: FOM got 86 on Metacritic and is considered by many as one of the best launch titles ever"

  • ParanoidZombie #161 4 years ago

    Gamespot and gamespy both gave the GOTY award to COD4. I think this will be 2007's consensus pick... Since most readers seem to be now engaged in an all-out fanboy war, picking a multiplatform game makes both sides happy... Since Ps3's version of orange box sucks and assassin's creed is not GOTY material, you have no choice but to pick COD4, unless you want to lose some readers.

    ... OMG, am I that paranoid?

  • George-Roper #162 4 years ago

    @Apologie

    Mate, WTF is wrong with you? Show me what this ultra powerful, Skynet-like, Cell processor has actually achieved in the last year.

    No more bullshit, no more fantasies, just enlighten us all as to what the Cell has actually done, in terms of improving the 'game' experience.

    Give me reality, not '2008 will show all'.

  • Amoebalove #163 4 years ago

    @ apologie

    do you have a stash of articles saved on your hard drive so you can cut and paste something if you can't think of anything else to post?

  • ParanoidZombie #164 4 years ago

    My favorite apologie post, from this very thread:

    "lol no disrespect for Halo but if Halo 3 get's 1st or 2nd place i'm done with these biased site. "


    ... At least there's still hope, until tomorrow....

  • Rodafowa #165 4 years ago

    Great to see Pac Man CE so high up. Probably the single most relentlessly addictive game I've played all year, even if I still suck at it.

    And add me to the list of people who'll be sorry if Ace Combat 6 misses out. There are plenty of things wrong with it. The cutscenes are brainbogglingly terrible. For the love of GOD just shut UP about dancing with sodding ANGELS. And while you're at it, stop telling me that war is hell. I've just spent an hour proving comprehensively that it's awesome. The way that you can't possibly play it for less than an hour at a time because you can't save partway through a mission is really, really annoying too. And, er, that's it.

    Those problems are easily overlooked because nothing captures that Top Gun, Biggles Flies Undone, we're-going-to-Ludicrous-Speed, 12-year-old boy thrill of flying a jet fighter so perfectly.

    As Outrun 2 is to driving games, Ace Combat 6 is to flight sims. Hurrah for that.

    My top ten for the year would probably be AC6, Crackdown, Pac-Man CE, GalCiv 2 -Dark Avatar, Team Fortress 2, Slitherlink, EDF2017, Excite Truck (yes, released last year but I only played it this) and Virtua Tennis 3 in some order, with Portal a short head in front of the lot.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 18:58

  • captainrentboy #166 4 years ago

    Even though I can't see Apologie anymore, can he still see my comments? I hope so, hey Apologie, you're a cunt and your mother is a gigantic slag!!... That's all.
    Ohh and like a few have mentioned, this top 50 seems even crazier than usual, there are like 15 or so top titles left yet only 10 spaces to go, I think the EG guys actually forgot some of the corkers that were out this year.
    Bioshock for Number 1 please.

  • fluff_the_tiger #167 4 years ago

    Kryon, Apologie and Amoebalove ARE THE SAME PERSON!!

    *ding*

  • Apologie #168 4 years ago

    Cell is still in its infancy, The Cell BE architecture is not a magic bullet. Simply re-compiling an existing application for the Cell will not see any benefit. Most systems must be re-architected and data re-designed to take advantage of the architecture. But when that's done, the performance is unrivaled by any consumer-level technology on the market today. The Cell is real, and it's a blast to program for as dev's start to know him better, 2008 will be the turning point... people will experience amazing games i know it.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 19:08

  • Amoebalove #169 4 years ago

    @ Kryon & ParanoidZombie

    great choices guys, how about this one.

    'i'am not a fanboy...'

    un-fucking-believable

    he should have this one engraved on his headstone

  • Kryon #170 4 years ago

    "The Cell is real, and it's a blast to program for as dev's start to know him better, 2008 will be the turning point... people will experience amazing games i know it"

    HAHAHAAA! CLASSIC APOLOL GOLD!

  • paulf #171 4 years ago

    "The Cell is real, and it's a blast to program for as dev's start to know him better, 2008 will be the turning point... people will experience amazing games i know it"

    people already are mate unfortunately not many of them are on your beloved ps3

  • mowgli #172 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    You actually make me embarrassed to own a 360 and love it to pieces. Go please shut the fuck up you really do do my nut in. Apologie speaks absolute ballocks. But at least he doesnt just go on and on with the same annoying shit as yourself!

  • The-Bodybuilder #173 4 years ago

    Okay, enough is enough now.
    It was funny at first, but it's just plainly irritating thread.

    This is a thread about the top 20-11, not about apololol. I knew these threads would be epic, but not about some fanyboy twat.

    I suggest we just put him on ignore, and continue to slag off EG, specifically kristian.

  • Apologie #174 4 years ago

    @The Bodybuilder

    This is a thread about the top 20-11, not about apololol. I knew these threads would be epic, but not about some fanyboy twat.

    "I suggest we just put him on ignore, and continue to slag off EG, specifically kristian."

    ----------------------------------

    Ohhhhh, people are not paying sufficient atention to "the bodybuilder", poor baby, don't be sad... come on guy's, let's hear what he have to say.

    By the way... was God of War 2 already scored in these thing??
    Edited by 2 at 27/12/07 @ 19:40

  • Kryon #175 4 years ago

    @mowgli

    "Apologie speaks absolute ballocks. But at least he doesnt just go on and on with the same annoying shit as yourself!"

    Oh, really? Funny, I could have sworn your girlfriend Apolol did just repeat the same shit over and over again? I don't recall myself ever repeatedly cutting and pasting lists of upcoming titles for instance? So perhaps you should STFU you insignificant little cock tease. That is all.

  • Apologie #176 4 years ago

    Speaking of retarded primates, shut up Kryon.
    Edited by 2 at 27/12/07 @ 19:45

  • Agent_Llama #177 4 years ago

    Nice to see EDF making it. Still have to pick it up but played it at a mate's and its lots of fun.

    /adds to calls for Endless Ocean to be thrust into the top 50. Fools.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 19:45

  • Kryon #178 4 years ago

    So anyway, Apolol, who takes the 'man' role? It's Mowgli isn't it? ;-)

  • The-Bodybuilder #179 4 years ago

    Man, I can't wait for the top 10 tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

    Hopefully it doesn't loose focus on slagging off EG (specifically kristian), but focuses and apololol.

    Note: To apololol, do not reply to my message, as you're on my ignore list.

    So.....does anyone thing FIFA08 will feature? Pro hasn't been mentioned yet (and it should've been, as it doesn't deserve to be top 10 this year), but where will FIFA08 come?

  • George-Roper #180 4 years ago

    @Apologie

    "Cell is still in its infancy, The Cell BE architecture is not a magic bullet. Simply re-compiling an existing application for the Cell will not see any benefit. Most systems must be re-architected and data re-designed to take advantage of the architecture. But when that's done, the performance is unrivaled by any consumer-level technology on the market today. The Cell is real, and it's a blast to program for as dev's start to know him better, 2008 will be the turning point... people will experience amazing games i know it."

    Boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring,

    BORED NOW

  • mowgli #181 4 years ago

    HAHA, Kryon you are a complete tit. You have no life, and your mother is a whore. :)
    Anyway, i have no idea what they are going to put down for the top 10 becsuse there are more than 10 stella titles out this year. And putting shit like FFXII there, and twice now is just illogical. My top 10 would consist of at least:

    Mass Effect - although not completed yet, i love it.
    Portal - left me grinning from ear to ear :D
    Eternal Sonata - beautiful.
    Halo 3 - not perfect but still great.
    Call of Duty 4 - fucking incredible!
    Bioshock
    GH2 & 3
    And possibly SMG although i found it massively overrated.

    All 360 alternatives (if applcable) of course as i dont have a PS3.

  • Kryon #182 4 years ago

    @cthulhu_steev

    You dislike my comments because you're as blinkered as Apologie. You're just not as vocal about it because you know it would make you look as stupid as he does...

    "Thank fuck he stays out of the other place"

    Ooooh the "other" place eh? You don't need to use code words son, everyone knows about the forum, it's hardly a secret, is it..

    Edit - Mowgli, good comeback! So, original... *yawn*
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 20:27

  • Subquest #183 4 years ago

    COD4 is good, but when judged against its obvious peers: Battlefield series, CSS etc. it's not even the best of it's genre. FWIW my tip for the top is Phantom Hourglass, simply because all the EG staff will have played it and loved it, and hopefully not forgotten about it (which is my main gripe about this list).

  • DjFlex52 #184 4 years ago

    Portal
    Halo 3
    Bioshock
    Crackdown
    SMG
    Mass Effect
    COD4
    Team Fortress 2
    Stalker
    Phantom Hourglass
    Forza 2
    Flatout UC
    Stranglehold

    see, now Im confused because thats too many games to fit into the top 10 but if any of them have been pushed out of the top 50 by some of the utter shite thats clogging up this list so far then somethings gone wrong somewhere.

    @afghan_jones

    here, here, I totally agree!
    Also, I cant believe The Witcher isn't in the top 50. I didnt warm up to Eternal Sonata but still surprised it's not here.
    Lastly...what happened to Persona 3???
    I guess EG doesnt like RPGs but they love puzzle and FPS games :(

  • The-Bodybuilder #185 4 years ago

    It got strangled.

  • MrsPacMan #186 4 years ago

    Space Giraffe will be number 7

  • lemonfist #187 4 years ago

    No Contra 4 yet! It better be in the top 10.

  • rawburger #188 4 years ago

    Can not wait for the top ten, have a feeling Eurogamers site is going to collapse under the sheer weight of over the top fanboy/girlism outrage.

  • Clive_Dunn #189 4 years ago

    If Portal isn't number 1 I'm going to get medieval on someone's arse.

  • retr0gamer #190 4 years ago

    FFXII bored me to big fat salty tears. Can't wait for Lost Odyssey which looks more like an FF game than FFXII. Eternal Sonata should be the best JRPG in the top 50.

    Nice one placing EDF so high. That game had nothing going for it other than the fact that it was an absolute blast to play, and that for me is all any game needs to be.

    Love Pacman CE as well.

  • J.C #191 4 years ago

    As a technical showcase for PlayStation 3, there's nothing quite like it - it's the first game that truly makes me wonder whether the Xbox 360 can match what PS3 is capable of in the right hands.

    Load of bollocks. the 360 could run uncharted no problem. it is a great game yes, but its not technically amazing imo.

  • zoidberg #192 4 years ago

    right there with you Clive...

    if HL2 EP2 is in the 30s then Portal better be number 1

  • reddevil93 #193 4 years ago

    @afgan_jones
    "Games you listed which are either shit or average at best: Resistance, Twisted Metal, ZOE, Genji, Heavenly sword.

    Games you listed which to date are not part of a series: Resistance, Shadow of colossus, Motorstorm

    Games you listed which will most likely appear on 360 as well as PS3: UT3, Haze, probably MGS, GT and Socom too."

    Don't be such a prat. There's enough of them in these comments threads already.

    IMO EG got this llist wrong. Uncharted's review read better than Halo's or Bioshock's but will still finish behing them and other games. Also XBLA games like Pacman will make it in where as PS Store games like Super Stardust HD, Calling All Cars, Tekken and Locoroco won't. Where's the logic in that?

  • MrDurandPierre #194 4 years ago

    An interesting list, though not one I'd neccessarily agree with. But then again, I don't think anyone would agree with this list, least of all the Eurogamer staff as it's based on a collective opinion and not any one person's view. So while I'm shocked and appauled that the wonderful Tomb Raider Anniversary was only #44, while it's ugly sister, Tomb Raider: Legend, was #13 last year, I'm still grateful for the list as it has made me want to try out Earth Defence force, a game I'd previously either not heard of or ignored based on other reviews, but now sounds fantastic. (Though Krudster's panning of it worries me as I tend to agree with him the most- sans his Darkness review). So whether you agree with the list or not you can't help but admire it's diversity and at least it doesn't read the same as IGN/Gamespot/Gamespy, etc... who all have pretty much all the same titles with only minute position shuffling.

  • George-Roper #195 4 years ago

    @reddevil93

    "IMO EG got this llist wrong. Uncharted's review read better than Halo's or Bioshock's but will still finish behing them and other games. Also XBLA games like Pacman will make it in where as PS Store games like Super Stardust HD, Calling All Cars, Tekken and Locoroco won't. Where's the logic in that?"\

    Wow.

    Simply...WoW.

    PS3 owner believes neutral gaming site gets 'best games of 2007' wrong.

    What.

    A.

    Surprise.

  • reddevil93 #196 4 years ago

    I love how you retreated to the comments sections GRoper after everyone in the forum realised you're a complete retard.

    =)

  • George-Roper #197 4 years ago

    What? No Retreat, No Surrender, old chap. I simply alternate between the two. It's what we sophisticated types do, nowadays.

    And, btw, lovely comeback. Absolutely nothing to do with my comment.

    Niiiice.

  • Kryon #198 4 years ago

    @reddevil93

    "IMO EG got this llist wrong. Uncharted's review read better than Halo's or Bioshock's but will still finish behing them and other games"

    That's because the top 50 is based on collective opinion. Not the opinion of one single person. If you check gameRankings or Metacritic's collective reviews you will see that both H3 and Bioshock are both generally considered better than Uncharted, besides, I really don't see how you come to the conclusion that the Uncharted review 'read' better than H3's or BioShock's? All three reviews were well written and the score at the bottom was well matched to the text. Uncharted is not considered as good as H3 or Bioshock by the masses, that's a fact. Don't blame EG for your system of choice not having any 10/10 exclusives, it's not their fault...

  • reddevil93 #199 4 years ago

    "It's what we sophisticated types do, nowadays."
    Hardly anyone on the forum posts in the comments. I don't know why I bothered with idiots like Kryon, yourself and Apologie(easily the worst) here.

    Anyway the big IMO stood for 'In My Opinion' and TBH I really don't care about yours.

    I simply believe some PS3 games(and others (Sports games anyone)) didn't make the list when I feel they deserved to.
    But hey, maybe you're right. I do nearly all of my gaming on PS3 and havn't tried some of the big Xbox 360 or Wii games this year

  • Kryon #200 4 years ago

    reddevil93 in getting severely pwned SHOCKER!

  • reddevil93 #201 4 years ago

    @kryon

    By 'read better' I didn't mean the review was better written. What I meant was it didn't point out many faults.

    Also according to what you said Resistance should easily make the top 50 'cause it got 87 on metacritic, higher than PGR4, Skate, Pac Man, GH3 and plenty of others which did make it.

    /awaits excuse

  • reddevil93 #202 4 years ago

    "reddevil93 in getting severely pwned SHOCKER! "

    Where?

  • Kryon #203 4 years ago

    "Also according to what you said Resistance should easily make the top 50 'cause it got 87 on metacritic"

    Not at all, This is EG's top 50, not Metacritics, I merely used those sites to try and explain to you the concept of collective opinion (which you obviously didn't understand)
    EG gave H3 and Bioshock a higher score than Uncharted so why in your opinion should Uncharted be higher in the EG top 50? You're losing it mate...
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 23:43

  • reddevil93 #204 4 years ago

    God you're a contradicting douchbag.

  • reddevil93 #205 4 years ago

    Where's miiiguel these days.
    Now he was an entertaining fanboy.

  • Kryon #206 4 years ago

    I haven't contradicted myself at all, I didn't state that All games that get a good rating from Metacritic should be in the top 50. Are you drunk or something?

  • Kryon #207 4 years ago

    I'll repeat this because you didn't seem to have an answer for it.

    EG gave H3 and Bioshock a higher score than Uncharted (from EG) so why in your opinion should Uncharted be higher in the EG top 50?

  • George-Roper #208 4 years ago

    @reddevil93

    "Where's miiiguel these days.
    Now he was an entertaining fanboy."

    Absolutely classic, coming from the guy who just whined about PS3 games not getting better places (if mentioned at all), against 360 titles, on this very thread.

  • reddevil93 #209 4 years ago

    "I haven't contradicted myself at all, I didn't state that All games that get a good rating from Metacritic should be in the top 50. Are you drunk or something?"

    I don't drink.

    What I meant was you were talking up the importance of a collective opinion but when I pointed out a PS3 game scored better than a number of games in the top 50 according to the collective opinion that is metacritic you backed down and said the collective opinion of the EG writers, despite having talked about metacritic and gamesrankings in a previous post.

    I wonder why I bother sometimes.

  • reddevil93 #210 4 years ago

    @GRoper

    Whined about? All I said was I don't agree with the list.

  • George-Roper #211 4 years ago

    @reddevil93

    "IMO EG got this llist wrong. Uncharted's review read better than Halo's or Bioshock's but will still finish behing them and other games. Also XBLA games like Pacman will make it in where as PS Store games like Super Stardust HD, Calling All Cars, Tekken and Locoroco won't. Where's the logic in that?"

    If you don't call any of those comments fanboi related, you're stupid. You didn't cite a difference in same platform titles, you completely went against the platform and had a good old whine about why PS3 games aren't being mentioned.

    There's a reason they aren't mentioned or have poor placings and that reason is that they're not as good as the likes of Bioshock or Halo 3 or any number of other 360 crackers on the list so far.

    According to EG.

    And according to most of the interweb.
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 23:56

  • Kryon #212 4 years ago

    "I wonder why I bother sometimes. "

    Well there's no point if you're just going to selectively read half a post. Yes I mentioned Metacritic and GameRankings to illustrate that Uncharted is widely considered to be not as good as H3 or Bioshock but in the second half of the post I compared the EG reviews. EG scored Uncharted lower hence it's not that surprising that it got a lower spot in the top 50. Jeez.

  • George-Roper #213 4 years ago

    Wasting your time, Kry. When you're as deluded as poor old Devil there, it's beyond hope.

  • Kryon #214 4 years ago

    :-)

    I think he's drunk on meths tbh...

  • reddevil93 #215 4 years ago

    God this is fun. But alas I'm off to play on the PS3.

    S I guess you's 'win'. Now go slaugter a goat or blow your load over a picture of Bill Gates or whatever it is you's do to celebrate.

  • Kryon #216 4 years ago

    @rdexter

    That's the funny thing, all you SDF are the same, when I do comment on anything game related you have nothing to say in regards to that subject. You really are a bunch of sad apologists. Everything I just said to Devil was true and factual. He couldn't argue it and neither can you...Boring.

  • reddevil93 #217 4 years ago

    Damn, Warhawk's good fun.

    @Kryon

    You don't post personal attacks, no?

    From the Merry Christmas news bit:
    "Merry Christmas one and all (apart from Apologie, I hope you have to eat Bernard Matthews turkey drummers and catch bird flu from it)"

  • Kryon #218 4 years ago

    "You don't post personal attacks, no? "

    What? Again, I never made such a claim! I think you have some kind of reading disorder where you just read what you want to read, regardless of the actual text, this may have been what caused you so much confusion over the Uncharted review?

    Either that or you're drunk/on drugs of some sort?

  • reddevil93 #219 4 years ago

    W00t!
    I win.
    I came on here tonight and said I can bait these retards into > 250 comments.

    reddevil93 - making fanboy baiting a sport since 2007.

    Now I'm off to the forum for some intellectual on-topic disscusion.
    God, hhis place cracks me up.
    BTW Kryon does that mean you agknowledge that you make scathing personal attacks and don't mind?
    What type of chav scum are you?

  • George-Roper #220 4 years ago

    @reddevil93

    "W00t!
    I win.
    I came on here tonight and said I can bait these retards into > 250 comments.
    "

    You win.

    Fuck.

    All.

    Just like the PS3 in EGs top 50 of 2007.

    /bye

  • Kryon #221 4 years ago

    Sooo, you came here, got pwned and now you're leaving again, good for you son. Anyway, I'm off to play a 'good' game, ya-know one of those 10/10 exclusive ones... What's that you say? You don't have any? Heheh....

  • reddevil93 #222 4 years ago

    It's hilarious that you's respond even though I said I was posting here to get you's riled up.

    BTW pwned?
    Are you a retarted 12 year old American kid?

  • captain-future #223 4 years ago

    Before you call the A-Team, you call the EDF!!

    Who you gonna call? Ghostbuster? WRONG! You call the EDF!!

    *LOL* I gave it a 9!!!

  • reddevil93 #224 4 years ago

    Bye GRoper.
    Same again tomorrow? :p

  • botherer #225 4 years ago

    This is like being in the Oxford Debating Society.

  • Katsumoto #226 4 years ago

    I've been swimming in raw sewage.

    I LOVE IT.

  • Kryon #227 4 years ago

    Jesus, reddevil93 really is a loser, even people in the forums ignore him while he begs for their attention. He turns up every night in The 4am Thread just to tell everyone that he's still playing Uncharted and to say goodnight to everyone, but no one replies to him, I guess he's seen as akin to Rick Moranis from Ghost Busters. I honestly didn't think it was humanly possible to be more retarded than Apolol but it seems reddevil93 has proven me wrong....

  • Kryon #228 4 years ago

    "You make personal attacks"

    "You are chav scum"

    Matt I know you're not smart enough to see the irony in a post that consists of the two elements above. Tbh, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

  • Darren #229 4 years ago

    Wow, this top 50 is truly bizarre, particularly a 3-4 hour long game sitting at the top spot ahead of other IMO more worthy releases. While I accept these are EG's choices, that Pacman Championship Edition should be at number 11, nevermind four places ahead of Okami is just so wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. So I won't except to say that I disagree with quality games like Virtua Tennis 3 and SEGA Rally languishing at the bottom of the chart behind stuff like Earth Defence Force 2017 (WTF???), Crackdown (fun for a few hours then gets dull and samey) and bloody Pacman! LOL

    My own Top Ten would be something like this:

    10. Virtua Tennis 3
    9. Mass Effect
    8. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
    7. SEGA Rally
    6. Okami
    5. PGR 4
    4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
    3. Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction
    2. Super Mario Galaxy
    1. BioShock