Eurogamer's Lifetime Top 10

Editors past and present have a 10th-birthday squabble over what's best.

10 years ago, at a long-dead trade show called ECTS, Eurogamer thrust up its first webpages and started filling them up. As somebody who has been here almost from day one (I joined the team in February 2000), I know that I could not have conceived of the site you're now reading, more than 3500 reviews later, from the creaky beige box hooked up to dual-bond ISDN in the days of the millennium bug, 5ive and Gerard Houllier. Far, far more importantly though, I certainly couldn't have conceived of some of the games we'd be playing, or the manner in which we'd be playing them, a decade after I took a job that's come to define me.

But this isn't just an introduction about how little foresight I have and the fact I don't go out much. It's to explain that as we arrive at our 10th birthday, the best way we can think to celebrate it (that we can put on the website, anyway) is to salute the very best games of the time we've been alive. After exhaustive polling of the entire Eurogamer staff - including editorial, tech, management, some old flames and even the salespeople - each of whom was allowed to nominate 10 games in order of preference, I've compiled a list of our 10 favourites based on weighted votes, and invited Eurogamer's foremost editors of past and present to comment on our selections. Say hello to the usual quartet of Ellie Gibson, Oli Welsh, Johnny Minkley and myself, but also welcome back Rob Fahey, Kristan Reed, and launch editor John "Gestalt" Bye.

(What's more, say hello to yourself, because last week we polled you for your favourites. If you'd like to see whether you did any better than us, be sure to check out the Editor's blog for the Readers' Top 50 list.)

Before we begin our countdown, however, a brief disclaimer. As with our Top 50 lists every Christmas, I'd be the first to admit the list that follows is anything but definitive. It does, however, reflect the tastes and preferences of more than 20 passionate gamers over a huge period of time, many of whom have been paid to play as much of everything under the sun during the period covered. If your first instinct is to call bullshit on the list, more power to you, but for the rest of you, I simply hope you enjoy being reminded about what are at the very least some of the games of the decade, and that you find some of our recollections and considerations insightful.

Tom Bramwell
Editor, Eurogamer.net
4th September 2009

P.S. Ever the spoilt brats, we couldn't stop at doing just one big celebratory games feature on our 10th birthday, so do be sure to check elsewhere on the site for individual blogs from each of the seven-strong panel, who, in addition to their comments for the top 10, were invited to write a longer post about any game they like from the last 10 years that happened to have a profound effect on them. Congratulations in particular to Ellie for choosing Fruit Mystery, the mad idiot.

10. RedLynx Trials 2: Special Edition / Trials HD

RedLynx / PC, Xbox 360

Tom Bramwell: There's a danger with best-of lists that they end up biased towards the flavour of the moment, and to some degree Trials' position in our top 10 games of the last 10 years probably does reflect that. But I kind of like that, too. I think when you look further down the list you'll be surprised at how wide our eyes were cast anyway, but in 10 years' time, if there still is an internet and someone looks at this list, realising that we all fell so completely in love with this little indie treasure in 2008/2009 will probably raise a smile rather than a frown.

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Kristan Reed: Ever since Mr Chips came up with the remarkably addictive Kikstart 1&2 in the late '80s, I've hankered after a simple, side-scrolling, hazard-strewn, obstacle-course racing game. That's possibly the most laboured genre description you'll ever see, but Trials basically is Kikstart in all but name. Simply barrelling across a course from left to right without falling off is somehow the best fun, and yet almost ruinously frustrating. The ability to instantly reset Trackmania-style is undoubtedly the game's key saving grace, inspiring a degree of OCD devotion that turns a quick go into a 3 hour session in the blink of an eye. On top of that, has any game inspired such a slavish obsession to online leaderboards? If any game demonstrates how vital and how relevant downloadable games are to the current landscape, Trials is it.

Johnny Minkley: Finally completed the final stage of Hard in Trials HD this week. The final attempt took me over 28 minutes, hundreds of attempts and I was sweating like a LAN party by the time my driver limped over the line. The learning curve is savage, the infinite failure crushing, but the pain of defeat is rewarded with an incredible sense of achievement that seems to have faded from games over the past decade as they've become more "accessible". It's also the best leaderboard-focused game I've played in years. I just wish I'd never added Tom to my friends list.

Rob Fahey: I walked into a friend's flat the other day and discovered him and his flatmate sat on opposite ends of the sofa, not speaking to one another - a state which had persisted for over two hours, ever since my friend discovered that his flatmate had spent his afternoon off work methodically destroying each of his times in Trials HD. This game destroys friendships. It destroys lives. Forewarned is forearmed.

9. Quake III Arena

id Software / PC

Special Guest Star Rupert Loman: The Quake series means more to me than any other game. Quakeworld was my first experience of online gaming (stealing time on my dad's PC) and Quake 2 was instrumental in my brother and I starting Eurogamer - having previously run Quake 2 LAN parties and online leagues after school. But the Quake III demo gave us a scare when it was released - bounce pads, a laggy lightning gun, messed up air control, levels hovering in space...

But it turned out id Software knew what it was doing all along - Quake III Arena is the best multiplayer experience that has ever been created. I can still remember learning all the maps, endlessly tweaking my graphics settings and travelling around the world to play in tournaments. I played against two World #1's in my short professional gaming career - Thresh and Fatal1ty - before I realised I was better at organising than playing. (I lost both.)

And Quake 4 was rubbish.

Tom Bramwell: The railgun ruined my life, you know. Back when all this was just Quakeworld, the rocket launcher was king, with a bit of switching to the others as situations developed. I was fantastic at that. Then Quake II came along. I was not fantastic at Quake II. The railgun was the birth of true "twitch" shooters, for me, and, along with Counter-Strike's AWP, probably also the reason it took some of us a while to get used to twin-stick console controls. Quake III Arena finally sold me on the idea, and I think the main reasons were nothing more complex than aural feedback.

Competitive Quake had long relied on sound cues for tactical awareness, but the hum of the railgun coupled with the "chnk!" of each damage-dealing hit completed some sort of vital sensory loop for me, and the bond was joined. Between that, Q3Tourney4, The Longest Yard and Rocket Arena 3, we had a deal.

Rob Fahey: Q3A was the perfect nineties FPS game, demanding insane reaction times, stunning knowledge of the arenas and pinpoint precision from its players. But by this stage, we'd all played Counter-Strike - we'd had a taste of the slower, more lethal and more tactical play that realistic weapons and physics could provide. Quake's days were numbered. Q3A was a fitting swansong, but a swansong nonetheless.

Kristan Reed: At the back end of the nineties when even the casual hardcore bought two graphics cards a year, we were all impatiently wondering what next-generation games were going to look like. In its usual off-the-cuff style, just a few days before Christmas 1999, id provided that answer with a title that was part tech demo, part gameplay demo for every other developer to aspire to.

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And just like every other multiplayer FPS before or since, I got my arse handed to me so many times I walked backwards just to mix things up. Yes, I was the very definition of cannon fodder, and never did get invited to join a clan or wear a sponsored AMD t-shirt, or have a clever eed hotmail address. It is, however, one of the main reasons I got so good at single-player games.

John Bye: I spent far more time watching other people playing Quake III Arena than playing it myself, as its pared-down arcade-style gameplay made it the ideal choice for deathmatch tournaments. The game's release saw a boom in "professional gaming", with the world's top players taking home hundreds of thousands of dollars in prize money at the sport's peak. By comparison, all I ever won playing Unreal Tournament was a backpack and a £20 gift voucher.

One of my fondest memories from my time at Eurogamer was spending the week of my 23rd birthday in a caffeine-fuelled frenzy at the Razer CPL tournament in Dallas, pumping out a frankly ridiculous 40+ pages of live coverage, whilst rubbing shoulders with the likes of John Carmack and John Romero, and hanging out with some of the best Quake players in the world.

I'd like to give a special thanks to event sponsor Bawls, whose supply of free energy drinks kept me running back and forth between the tournament hall and my hotel room every half hour for three days straight to type up the latest news and match reports. How I didn't drop dead from heart failure halfway through the weekend I'll never know...

Johnny Minkley: I've always been predominantly a console gamer, so - with the exception of a university year lost to GoldenEye - my FPS experience was 'limited' to say the least when I started working for Emap on CVG magazine in 2000. Quake III Arena was the lunchtime fix across the games department, and though I was never any good at it, I don't think I've experienced anything since of quite such clinical, relentless, devastating brutality. Wonderful.

8. Fallout 3

Bethesda Softworks / PC, PS3, Xbox 360

Rob Fahey: Lots of games let you choose between good and evil, but it feels like an artificial choice - "press X now to be evil!" Fallout 3 made you pick your path much more organically, and allowed not only for the extremes, but for shades of gray in between. It muddled its morality beautifully - how many of us, certain that we were being righteous and just, managed to get the sheriff killed and left his son an orphan? It's a rare game that dares to suggest that there isn't always a right answer. Blurred lines, backfiring moral choices and confused morals make Fallout 3 into a game to truly cherish.

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Kristan Reed: People chuck around the phrase 'Oblivion with guns' like it was a bad thing. For me that was precisely what I was after. But as it turned out, I found it more of a survival horror RPG than a dumb FPS-RPG. Creeping around decaying relics capping ghouls was scary enough, but it was always the moment when you were morally conflicted where Fallout 3 really got its hooks into you. Full of reprehensible characters with often quite despicable agendas, it was predictably easy to play the bad guy. Blowing up Megaton wasn't ever something I was going to do, but eventually someone would end up getting you to do something absolutely terrible. My worst decision? Capturing people for the slave camp for money. It doesn't get much lower than that. Apart from, perhaps, letting the ghouls into Tenpenny tower...

Ellie Gibson: I was hoping Fallout 3 would be a lot more like Threads than it actually is. Why hasn't anyone done a proper videogame tie-in for that, anyway? Guaranteed Christmas number one.

7. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3

Activision / Neversoft / PS2, Xbox

Rob Fahey: My mother never said this, but in fictional terms, she's meant to have said that if you don't have anything good to say, you should say nothing. I'm saying nothing.

Oli Welsh: I'm called Oli and I like grinding. But I don't do skateboards, sorry. It's no Super Monkey Ball.

Kristan Reed:Tony Hawk's was always one of those series that I wished I was good at, but never was. I tried repeatedly to get into both of these games, fully aware that they were supposed to be works of genius, but somehow my hands refused to buy into the multi-button, combo-strewn mechanics required to enjoy them. The same reason I still suck at Street Fighter, then.

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Ellie Gibson:Interviewing Tony Hawk was one of my highlights of the 2007 Leipzig Games Conference. We only got to share a few minutes together, but I like to think they were as special for him as they were for me. He smells of money.

Tom Bramwell: When we first started compiling this list, I didn't expect to see a Tony Hawk game anywhere on it. I'd long forgotten about Tony Hawk. But the people who elevated it to this position - the chaps in the Eurogamer tech bunker, predominantly - are onto something. Remember when NHL games were popular in the UK? It's because they played nothing like ice hockey; they were just fabulous, competitive impressions of a popular sport. It all went to s*** with polygons and analogue sticks.

Skateboarding has kind of had its cake and eaten it too in that respect, with the Skate games doing a wonderful job of rebooting the concept, and Tony Hawk: Ride perhaps taking it to the logical extreme. OK, I'm yet to be convinced on that one, but the point is that skateboarding survived the transition and proven successful across the world on both occasions. The transition itself, though, is what I take issue with, because it had to happen at the expense of games like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 and 3, even though nothing - not SSX, not Amped, and certainly nothing involving pushbikes - has ever better combined spazzy, Street Fighter-style button combinations, reaction-based path-finding and wiggling a stick for balance.

6. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Bethesda Softworks / PC, PS3, Xbox 360

Rob Fahey: Same answer as last time for me!

Johnny Minkley: I tried so hard to like this. I really did. "Just give it another hour or so and you'll love it," Kristan would say. So I did. 17 hours, in fact. 17 long, tedious hours of aimless, aesthetically sterile rat-punching I will never get back.

Oli Welsh: Honestly? I barely played it. I'm just not one for that lonely-sociopath-in-a-cruel-world thing that Bethesda does so well. But I was fascinated when a friend told me how he completely ignored the main thrust of the game, choosing instead to play through the Dark Brotherhood side-quest to completion - and then he left it there, completely satisfied with this deft little whodunnit. That it gave him the freedom to play what he wanted, how he wanted and then move on, without succumbing to videogames' chronic, goal-oriented OCD - that's all the evidence of Oblivion's genius I need.

Ellie Gibson: Unlike Oli I actually have played Oblivion. But only once, for about four minutes, on a demo pod in Microsoft's reception area. It made me feel sick. However, I enjoy making snide comments about horse armour to this day.

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Kristan Reed:No matter how many times people tried to bellow into my face that Morrowind was the better game, it simply failed to hook me the way Oblivion did so effortlessly. This was a game where no decision or choice felt like a particularly bad one - just another intriguing branch to explore. With all the inherent freedom of the RPG married to the most spectacularly alluring gameworld I'd ever seen, it was small wonder I was utterly seduced by the option to steal someone's entire house. Like Fallout 3, half the fun was merely exploring, and when you find a game like that it's hard to ever stop poking your nose in where it's not wanted. Who cares about the levelling-up nonsense? This was the first huge game world I wasn't put off by, but attracted by.

John Bye: I don't think I've ever spent more time playing a single-player game than I have with Oblivion. Epic doesn't even begin to do it justice. After escaping the sewers at the start of the game I got completely sidetracked, working my way up the ranks of the Thieves Guild and ransacking the mansions of Imperial City in search of a quick profit, before redeeming myself by going on a holy pilgrimage around the shrines of Cyrodiil. Along the way I discovered the joys of alchemy and joined the Mage's Guild, learning some handy magical skills that helped me become grand champion of the Arena. Several weeks and 50 hours of gameplay later, I suddenly remembered I was still carrying a really important thingummyjig that I was supposed to be taking to a monastery to, you know, save the world and stuff. Oopsie.

5. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Activision / Infinity Ward / PC, PS3, Xbox 360

Tom Bramwell: Wanna know Eurogamer's dirty secret? Eurogamer's dirty secret is that we all really admire Call of Duty 4 - its technical achievements, its crushing atmosphere and surprising variety, and the seismic effect it's had on multiplayer FPS design, particularly in terms of persistence - but nobody on the core staff really... likes it... all that much. I've played it, probably about halfway through, and I spent a few hours dropping fools on the internet, but that was enough for me.

It reminds me of how I felt about Halo originally - I'd just come off years of playing Quake, Counter-Strike and every other meaningful online FPS on the PC, and I didn't have much time for this little upstart with its sparkly planet, squeaking gnome enemies, plot arrows painted on the floor and daft little spaceman bouncing around holding only two guns. By the time Halo 3 came out though, I'd got it. I still don't quite "get" COD4, but I'm cautious about making too much of that, and I'm eyeing up Modern Warfare 2, especially the Spec Ops time trial mode, and wondering whether this is when I join the fight.

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Johnny Minkley: I very rarely play first-person shooters online (I'm not very good and see it essentially as an elaborate form of self-harm), so have probably missed out on the side of the experience that has bestowed upon Modern Warfare its enduring greatness. But the single-player was brilliant and, in terms of action, flair and excitement, everything I could possibly want from a 'Hollywood' shooter. Shame the generic global terrorism nonsense that constituted the plot was so forgettable.

Rob Fahey: I like the storytelling in COD4 - it does brave, interesting things with game narrative, and tells a remarkably strong story for what is, essentially, a dumb action movie in game form. Sadly, the single-player game is let down by some awful design - infinitely respawning enemies? Really, guys? It's not here for the single-player though, is it. It's here because we spent dozens if not hundreds of hours online, perfecting our ability to pop a bullet right between the eyes of an American teenager just at the moment that he suggested that our sexual preferences may involve goats. Fast, exciting, satisfying and stunningly well balanced (the game, not goats), it's the best online FPS game of the decade, bar none.

Kristan Reed: For reasons that only a shrink could hope to unravel, I only ever seem to bother playing Infinity Ward games on the hardest possible setting. Partly it's kind of a videogaming self-harm thing, but also because they nail the difficulty so perfectly, and somehow give you a sense of achievement that stays with you. The way each segment unfolded so atmospherically embedded itself in my head in a way that a good movie should - and in the way that only the very best shooters ever manage to, the original Half-Life, for instance.

For me, the highlight of this gloriously merciless videogame was the section next to the ferris wheel midway through, where planting traps for the incoming hordes was the only way to blunt their incessant attack, before dancing a frantic jig of death behind the bumper car stand to mop up the stragglers. It's probably the closest I've ever come to outright madness.

Oli Welsh: It doesn't win me a lot of friends around these parts but I'm a diehard Halo man, and as much as COD 4's sturm und drang blew my socks off, I couldn't help but find it a little too tightly scripted by comparison. One thing, though - Death From Above. That level is incredible. The sense of alienation, the meaningless, soundless slaughter in grainy black-and-white, the presentation of godlike technological might tearing little humans to pieces, the blunt title... In the ultimate gung-ho war game, it comes across as almost anti-war. It sent shivers down my spine. I still don't know if Infinity Ward meant it that way, but respect, regardless.

4. Half-Life 2

Valve / PC, PS3, Xbox 360

Oli Welsh: Strange as it might seem now, I'm not a PC gamer by tradition, or even inclination. But before WOW welded me to a mouse and keyboard, there was one series that could reliably get me to break my console habits, and it was Half-Life. I dimly remember a curtained weekend, starting and twitching my way through the tense original. I much more clearly remember forcing a melting laptop to stutter through this eerie masterpiece a few weeks before Blizzard claimed my soul.

Coming back to it years later when it was bundled with the Orange Box, I found myself vaguely disappointed by the point-and-click gunplay, and maybe the remarkable physics has lost some of its shattering impact. But the artwork is still incredible, as haunting a vision of totalitarianism and decay as you've ever seen. And the unobtrusive storytelling through the scene is an object lesson in how to do narrative in games. Valve may be the masters of technology, but this is their work of art.

Kristan Reed: For me, the very best aspect of Valve's masterpiece was its ability to continually reinvent itself, to the point where it felt like you'd played about six different games - some that would make thrilling long-form games in their own right if the ideas had been followed through in the same way that other FPS titles have. But perhaps that's the beauty of a Valve title - that ability to condense a single amazing idea into a level, and then merely leave it there. Valve has always excelled at leaving us wanting more, and that's precisely why we love them. Could we possibly have some more now, please?

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Rob Fahey: Probably the most ambitious sequel in videogames history. Also, probably the best. FPS is a crowded genre, but Half-Life 2 stands alone. Nobody before or since has come close to the atmosphere of City 17 and its environs, to the sheer variety and lateral thinking of Valve's game design, or to the wonderfully understated nature of its characterisation and storytelling. Also, Dr Breen looks very much like my dad, which gives the whole affair a slightly otherworldly, hallucinogenic feel - although that's obviously something not many of you will share, unless he's been far more prolific that he lets on.

John Bye: I never quite got into Half-Life 2. The drab, grey East European setting didn't do any favours to the game's low-tech engine, the much vaunted physics system had the same floaty feeling that most Havok-based games tend to suffer from, and the in-game cut-scenes stopped impressing after I got bored one time and emptied a clip full of bullets into Alyx's head in the middle of a conversation, only for her to carry on yapping away as if nothing had happened.

Unfortunately my one abiding memory of Half-Life 2 is the Water Hazard chapter, in which you pilot a little boat down a polluted river until you reach some kind of obstruction, then hop out and either move some barrels around or fight your way through a series of dull concrete rooms to reach a control wheel. Over and over again. For about half an hour. It was somewhere around this point that I lost interest, and promised myself I'd never get sucked in by internet hype again.

Tom Bramwell: While I sympathise with John's problem with the boat bit, I'm stunned that he wasn't able to maintain a connection with this, probably the best first-person shooter ever made. I still remember the first screenshots, and seeing it running for the first time, and the first time I saw the Citadel, and the first time Breen said "...our benefactors", and the first time I fired a sawblade out of the gravity gun, and the first time I saw an antlion, and the first time I fought a strider. So much, so much more.

Even the incidental details are fantastic - the little houses along the coast, each with its own little story told in cadavers and splinters, foreshadowing the FPS's future swing towards RPGs, or the supposedly redundant enemies, like the spider headcrabs with their all-but-one-HP-sapping pounce attacks. And Dog!

I haven't enjoyed the subsequent episodic releases as much. I feel as though I'm being told a bit too much in the process (Half-Life always did so well precisely because it was mysterious), and the gameplay shifts and ideas haven't been as profoundly interesting as those in Half-Life 2. The iterative design process has had, uh, "fringe benefits" (Team Fortress 2, Portal and Left 4 Dead, for instance), but I still yearn for Valve to do another, proper, blow-your-head-off game-changer. In a profession where it's increasingly difficult for even the most ambitious and inventive game to throw us off-balance, it's easy to remember just how much and how often Half-Life 2 did so.

3. Deus Ex

Eidos / Ion Storm / PC

Kristan Reed: Many games promise to offer gamers freedom to play them the way you want to, but so rarely do they actually deliver on any meaningful level. For some reason, Deus Ex made me want to play like the crazed stealth assassin, sneaking around in my long leather coat zapping everyone in the cranium from 100 feet. What a shame.

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Somehow, despite the wooden character models and gruff voice acting, there's an atmosphere and intrigue about the narrative that elevates the game to legendary status. If a capable team can build on the achievements of Ion Storm with modern tech, one of the best games ever is waiting to be made. Even as it stands, this one comes pretty close.

Rob Fahey: Deus Ex is still a shining example of what games can do, if they only try. After years of corridor shooters, a game which genuinely had many different ways to approach and solve each situation was a revelation - at times, the choices it subtly presented seemed almost overwhelming. Not only that, it was relentlessly stylish and entertaining - today, it looks dated, but it still plays like a game ahead of its time. I'm more of a fan of the sequel than most people seem to be, but frankly, nobody has ever bottled the Deus Ex magic since then - not even the spiritual successor to the intelligent FPS genre, BioShock. The graphics are better, the storytelling craft has improved, but the gameplay is still a mere shadow of what Ion Storm Austin managed all those years ago.

2. World of Warcraft

Blizzard / PC, Mac

Rob Fahey: It's easy to get carried away on the waves of hype and media coverage about WOW, and forget that at heart, more than 11 million people pay to play this game because it's bloody brilliant. The level of polish, balance and attention to detail is only made even more impressive by the breadth of the world to which it's applied.

It's effectively several games wrapped into one - a relatively casual player like me can have literally years of fun levelling up different character classes and meddling in five-man dungeons, while hardcore bottle-pissing lunatics eke out similar amounts of fun from insane 25-man raids and uber-competitive teenagers smack each other in the face in PVP battlefields. I've had dalliances with other MMOs and I've tried to quit WOW time and time again, but each time it pulls me back. It'll destroy your life, but you'll have a hell of a time on the way.

Kristan Reed: It is with a certain amount of professional pride and shame that I have yet to go anywhere near WOW. I watch people play it, I listen to their stories of devotion, and realise why people like it. But when I hear of the stories of the lost years spent playing it, and the obsession it inspires in people, it gives me the fear. As someone with a slightly OCD nature when it comes to certain types of videogames, the knowledge that there's a game out there that I could happily lose years of my life to is enough to make me pretend it doesn't exist.

Besides, I've always felt it strange to experience only one game, when there are so many excellent titles vying for my attention as it is. Blizzard, I salute you, but for me your wonderful game exists as an entity all to itself, outside of the traditional videogame sphere.

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John Bye: This game swallowed my life for about six months, before I finally managed to kick the habit. While it didn't do anything particularly new, it did take everything that had come before in the genre and polished it to within inches of its life, offering a vast world that constantly amazed and entertained. Well, until about level 40, anyway, at which point the game's original content started to get a bit thin on the ground and grinding set in.

Still, there are certain moments I'll never forget - flying into Undercity for the first time on a wild rollercoaster ride through the tunnels, getting chased around the Un'Goro crater by giant dinosaurs, or legging it across the Plaguelands and scrambling up a mountainside to escape the ravening hordes, only to find myself facing a vast, empty plateau and realising I'd managed to climb my way clear out of the game world.

Occasionally I miss my trusty Tauren Shaman and am tempted to go back and try out some of the new content. But then I look at my friends and co-workers talking about WOW tactics over lunch, or saying they can't go to the pub because it's raid night, and I remember why I quit in the first place.

Ellie Gibson: I got bitten badly by the WOW bug. Normally I couldn't give a toss about wizards and elves and the like, but there was just something about it that kept me playing for weeks on end. That's despite the fact I was pretty rubbish at it, and would get shouted at by people I partied with for not really having a clue what I was doing. Eventually I got fed up with that, and with being asked things like "Are you into Death Metal?" and "Do you like sex?" by 14 year-old Norwegians. I had fun, but I don't think I'll go back.

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Tom Bramwell: While I would not describe myself as a misanthrope, that's probably because I'd rather be at home reading or playing videogames rather than hanging out with anyone to whom I might describe myself. Pesky humans. Oddly though, despite having several cracks at World of Warcraft, accumulating some 20 or 30 hours in Azeroth, I've been unable to channel my anti-social nature into what's supposed to be the ultimate life-destroying timesink. Am I doing it wrong? I have no idea, but I'll have another crack when Blizzard re-gens 0-60 in Cataclysm, because as hard as I've bounced off it each time I've tried, I've always known it will take me eventually. I'm like Nicola Six at the end of London Fields. It's always been you!

WOW's a black hole and the entire industry is in greater or lesser orbit. What Blizzard does to keep it going, or to replace it, may well be the biggest story of the next 10 years in gaming.

Oli Welsh: I just logged in to all my characters, typed /played and totted up the result. I have played World of Warcraft for 1,532 hours, 3 minutes and 25 seconds. That's not counting time logged on beta servers for the expansions, and a couple of low-level characters I deleted. I have played my main character for over 795 hours. I have spent - get this - 1.7 per cent of the last decade playing WOW.

And you know what? I'm not bored yet.

1. Grand Theft Auto III

Rockstar Games / Rockstar North / PC, PS2, Xbox

Kristan Reed: We all expected it to be good, but no-one expected it to be that good.

I can't recall any game before or since that inspired such a bug-eyed fervour among players when it came out in October 2001. We'd all stand around swapping stories like kids making up any old fibs to impress each other. But however far-fetched our tall tales sounded, they just happened to be random occurrences in a videogame. That was the beauty of GTA III - the realisation that a new type of gaming had arrived in all its cartoon glory, allowing you to approach missions in the way that you saw fit, or to just wander off and cause cartoon mayhem for the hell of it. It felt like ten games in one, all better than its individual inspiration. For a long time, most action games felt hopelessly one-dimensional next to DMA's classic.

However many terrible imitators it spawned with their cut-and-paste approach to open-world gaming, few ever had the seismic impact that this had on gaming. And it wasn't just about the gameplay, was it? The incredible radio stations, the wry humour, the memorable cut scenes... all were so far ahead of anyone else that even now the vast majority of games don't have a fraction of the creative energy on show here.

Oli Welsh: We've all conveniently forgotten this now, but before GTAIII's release it just didn't seem that big a deal (to a certain snobby subset of the game literati, at any rate, to which I'm ashamed to say I belonged). The RenderWare graphics looked, well, a bit rough, and a lot of people were justifiably asking how it could possibly hang together - and even if it did, how it could attract the attention of the shallow, glitz-hungry hordes. Rockstar North knew what we wanted better than we did though. This outsider changed the whole game, and most rivals are still scrabbling to keep up, eight years on. Disruptive, in every sense.

Rob Fahey: Personally, I'm a GTA refusenik - but even I would have to admit that few games can claim the kind of far-reaching influence that GTAIII has had on the entire medium. It created a whole host of gaming concepts and mechanisms which have become a fundamental part of the language of videogames ever since - from its now de rigeur interpretation of sandbox gaming through to minor, yet often-copied, touches such as the radio stations.

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To my mind, it's not the best sandbox game out there (I'd pick another Rockstar title, Bully, for that accolade), but is that surprising, when everything that's come since has stood on GTAIII's broad shoulders? If it's not actually the best game of the decade, it's certainly the game that best defines the decade. Its shadow falls over everything, from the influence of its design decisions to the controversy surrounding its content. There are other, better games on this list, and indeed not on this list - but when we look back in years to come and ask which game best exemplifies gaming in the 2000s, GTAIII will provide the obvious, perfect answer.

John Bye: Grand Theft Auto IV's much-hyped return to Liberty City just served to remind me how good Grand Theft Auto III was. Sure, the city's traffic had a disconcerting tendency to vanish into thin air whenever you turned your back on it, but the game delivered fun by the spade full.

While GTAIV was a soulless dirge featuring some guy with a dodgy accent whining about not having any money for hour after suicide inducing hour, GTAIII was a game that didn't take itself too seriously, with a reckless, anything-goes attitude that made it a delight to play. Every time you tried to do something crazy, like jump your sports car off a bridge, pick up a hooker, or steal a fire engine, there was some kind of side quest, mini-game or score bonus waiting for you. Reassuringly silly and endlessly entertaining, it was a truly groundbreaking game.

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Johnny Minkley: I very clearly recall looking at early screenshots of GTAIII with Pat Garratt - now blogging maniac at VG247.com - on his monitor when we worked together at Emap. And you know what? We laughed. We said it'd never work. The rush I got from watching the first trailer for The Ballad Of Gay Tony this week reminded me of this and why I now love Rockstar and Grand Theft Auto. Pat and I were clearly, spectacularly wrong, but no-one really expected GTAIII to turn out the way it did. Rockstar may have a reputation for being obtuse and aloof, but the scale of achievement, the creative single-mindedness, the unshakable belief in the potential of the medium has produced a handful of the greatest games of the past decade. So I really wouldn't want them any other way.

Ellie Gibson: Oh good, another game where you get to drive a car and deal some drugs and shoot the policeman BRAP BRAP BRAP. Not a patch on Diner Dash.

Tom Bramwell: Grand Theft Auto III came out not that long after Eurogamer was born, and although the sequels were also excellent, the open-world movement still lives predominantly in its long, broad shadow. Even GTAIV, brave enough in its own way, had no real answer to its ancestor - Rockstar simply got 3D GTA right at the first time attempt. Few around here would argue that it's fitting for World of Warcraft and GTAIII to sit astride this list, but the contrast is interesting: WOW turned everyone green and people have lost billions trying to match it, whereas GTAIII gave the industry the new model for its livelihood throughout the 2000s.

So there it is. Thank you for coming to our birthday party. We love you all and hope to see you again soon.

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  • insincere_dave #1 2 years ago

    Not a single Nintendo game, what a well considered list!

    (this is sarcasm)
  • gabsta69 #2 2 years ago

    i like the fact that i have owned all games listed at one point. Glad to know I have good taste!
  • matrim83 #3 2 years ago

    Not one Halo game? Not cool.
  • mcmonkeyplc #4 2 years ago

    Halo hating scum! Happy Birthday :)
  • CordableTuna #5 2 years ago

    Different tastes and all that, but it's hard for me to imagine how a game designed to waste your time can be at the second place. (Didn't stop me from playing it for half a year though)
  • Xerx3s #6 2 years ago

    Wow, 1 good title and 5 semi good titles. Colour me surprised, I expected a lot worse.
  • Rose-of-Sorrow #7 2 years ago

    Only one of those titles might make my top 10- GTA III
  • ps3owner #8 2 years ago

  • Forral #9 2 years ago

    Nothing from Nintendo or anything even remotely left-field. A success in demonstrating a lack of imagination.

    Grats.
  • DFawkes #10 2 years ago

    I liked every one of those game. Nice enough list :)
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 15:41
  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #11 2 years ago

    I know it's ridiculous to go 'what? No [insert favourite game here]????' but...

    What? No Portal????

    /loves Portal more than life
  • MyPointIs #12 2 years ago

    Intelligent as a ten year old.
  • DUFFKING #13 2 years ago

    THIS LIST SUCKS BECAUSE *X GAME HERE* ISN'T THERE AND I DISAGREE WITH IT


    oh wait, about 5 people got there already, damn it.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 15:18
  • cianchristopher #14 2 years ago

    Nice shout out for 5ive, Tom. Truly they were The Beatles of their generation....
  • graham738 #15 2 years ago

    Happy Birthday EG!

    I'll have to try out some of these games :)
  • JohnnyWashnGo #16 2 years ago

    I don't actually own any of those games, and have only played a couple.
  • PatrickEwing #17 2 years ago

    "sweating like a LAN party"
    :)
  • Fl0yd #18 2 years ago

  • stepneg #19 2 years ago

    How can there be no Halo yet both Fallout and Oblivion which is the same game in a different skin
  • Fab4 #20 2 years ago

    Its a crying shame CoD4 made it into the top ten, even forgetting the MP. You yourselves, described the SP as 'too tightly scripted', with a forgettable storyline and infinitely spawning enemies. Still, it looks pretty, eh?
  • dsmx #21 2 years ago

    Fantastic list don't agree on the order but most people won't.
  • cianchristopher #22 2 years ago

    @Kristan Reed: Oh, I blew up Megaton all right, it was the first thing I did after leaving the Vault. (Good Times)
  • PearOfAnguish #23 2 years ago

    "How can there be no Halo yet both Fallout and Oblivion which is the same game in a different skin"

    Never mind, Halo is just a standard FPS with a different skin, right?
  • faux_carnation #24 2 years ago

    What a godawful list.

    Smells of compromise to me. Games that everyone likes, but no-one *really loves*, (except HL2).
  • Blerk #25 2 years ago

    John Bye! Man, it's like the olden days.

    /wipes a tear

    An interesting list, and not one I would've picked. But that's the thing about favourite lists, isn't it? They're sort of... personal.

    Actually I think we're supposed to start talking about sheds now rather than the actual article, if we're really doing that 'good old days' thing. :-D
  • Bangaioh #26 2 years ago

    Very disappointing. Fucking GTA 1st place, won't even comment.
  • PearOfAnguish #27 2 years ago

    Peter Jackson's King Kong - PS2

    King Kong is one of your top-ten best games ever?

    won't even comment.

    But...you just did?
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 15:40
  • LazyDan #28 2 years ago

    Interesting, not a single console platform exclusive. I hope that's just a coincidence. It seems a bit incredible that nothing out of the last 10 years of Halo, Gears of War, Mario Galaxy, Wii Sports, God of War and Metal Gear Solid would be absent from anyone's top 10 games of the last decade. Even the PC has some glaring ommissions. Trials a better game than Left4Dead and Portal? Really?
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 15:41
  • Caspar_Esq. #29 2 years ago

    sack Ellie! Or at least ban her from attempting to make jokes.
  • raion #30 2 years ago

    it's interesting to note that being a 10 year span list, most of the games in it are quite recent ones. I know how recent goodness can leave a strong after-taste that makes us forget old goodies. when it comes to "top" I know that more recent games will obviously be better than older ones in many ways, but it's unfair to judge based on that. if we're gonna compare games from a decade apart it's only fair to do it in the context in which the games came out. grand theft auto 3 is a good call being one of the most revolutionary and influential of modern gaming. despite the fact that... well, it sucks. other pics seems to be more derivative. like fallout 3 and the elder scrolls. yes they are fine games, but are essentially the same thing grabbing two spots. half life 2 was a nice shooter, but again, it's the same as the first one with better gfx.

    I don't know. these titles do not display the best that the last 10 years of gaming gave us, to me. maybe it's just taste.
    what I do know is that portal should be there. :p
  • Genji #31 2 years ago

    Christ, what a shite list that was. The only one I'd agree with is Deus Ex, and perhaps GTA3.

    It is the nature of all lists, so I'm not too offended or anything.

    Oblivion, HL2 and Fallout 3, though... dear god. :)
  • Mkwone #32 2 years ago

    10 games from 10 years, it was always going to be controversial. you could have given a top 100 list and people would still complain about X or Y not being there.

  • yarrick #33 2 years ago

    @Buggedbunny.

    King Kong, best film tie-in todate? I see you've never played Chronicles of Riddick : Escape from Butcher bay.
  • jonsaan #34 2 years ago

    It's all a bit current but whatever. Good games. It could have been many other combinations of 10. In fact I bet you've all thought of 10 more already now that you have put the article out!

    It's also interesting that GTA4 doesn't feature. Has it been long enough for you to admit it's the worst GTA so far yet?
    Edited by 2 at 04/09/09 @ 16:33
  • PearOfAnguish #35 2 years ago

    I find it hard to believe that King Kong is better than Goldeneye. Or Chronicles of Riddick, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, and the numerous excellent Star Wars games,
  • hyperkineticninja #36 2 years ago

    I don't know why Ellie has a job here, any interview or review she does is just full of her attempts to be funny, which she fails at everytime!

    Can tell in most interviews that the interviewee has no time for her. And wants to talk about their product but instead has to put up with shitty comments and "jokes"

    It is impossible to get any information from her items which at the end of the day is that not what a games website is for? A bit of humour can enhance this information but she does not deal in humour.
  • Farfarer #37 2 years ago

    Well, at least Deus Ex and Half-Life 2 got in there, with Deus Ex managing to fall a mere 2 spots short of it's deserved #1 crown.

    I'm surprised and relieved that there weren't any of the hype-machine-shiny-graphics-console-shooters in there. Well done EG :D
  • raion #38 2 years ago

    @PearOfAnguish
    goldeneye, indiana jones... they're automatically overruled since they're older than 10 years ;)
  • mingster #39 2 years ago

    God you lot like some rubbish games .. lol.
    Next you'll be telling me you where forced to play them.. oh wait you were.
    Fair enuf.. Happy Birthday.
  • Widge #40 2 years ago

    Ah I almost forgot about GTA3! I remember bumbling around Game and seeing it on the shelf, just released. Hadn't seen any previews, hadn't actually gone hands on with the previous games. Looked at the back cover, thought "I've always fancied a go on GTA3, why not give it a risk, I want a new game"... got it home and BAM. Bloody awesome.

    The atmosphere was bang on... I remember many a time I'd park up in Liberty City with MSXfm on the go to roll a cheeky and just watch the day roll by. Clouds come in, rain pour down, and FOG. One thing that I missed in Vice City, nice dense atmosphereic fog. I'd say that San Andreas is the pinnicle of the series for the sheer scale and immersion but I think GTA3 deserves the praise for the impact it made.
  • onyxbox #41 2 years ago

    EG's favorite game over the past 10 years is winding up all the fanboys

    :-D

  • ZeroAX #42 2 years ago

    wow. I don't think I remember a list being so full of fail.

    tip when a list of the best games of the decade, is made up mostly, from games up to 2 years ago, you have a problem.

    really fallout 3 and oblivion both in the list? really? were they THAT good? So good 20 years from now they will be worth playing?

    Besides is the list supposed to be most influential games or best games? Cause if it's best GTA3 doesn't belong to the top (give it to VC or SA instead) and if it's most influential kick cod4 (great game, but really not sooooooooo ground breaking) fallout 3, oblivion, tony hawk 3, and trials hd off the freaking list. FFS eurogamer, how much did you get payed to have trials hd in this list?
  • Crea #43 2 years ago

    Where's Planescape: Torment? Heathens!
  • gaselite #44 2 years ago

    I've always thought Oli Welsh is a bit of a dickhead, but this:

    One thing, though - Death From Above. That level is incredible. The sense of alienation, the meaningless, soundless slaughter in grainy black-and-white, the presentation of godlike technological might tearing little humans to pieces, the blunt title... In the ultimate gung-ho war game, it comes across as almost anti-war. It sent shivers down my spine. I still don't know if Infinity Ward meant it that way, but respect, regardless.

    Is very perceptive and is exactly how I felt about the level too. One of gaming's very finest moments. That you felt the need to follow the observation up with a bitchy, backhanded and apparently contemptuous remark at IW's expense is unfortunate.


    A reasonably well reasoned list, and I'm delighted to see Halo isn't on it.

    You yourselves, described the SP as 'too tightly scripted', with a forgettable storyline and infinitely spawning enemies. Still, it looks pretty, eh?

    Difference of opinion across a panel of writers shocker.
  • Rev.StuartCampbell #45 2 years ago

    Wow, that is one great big shitload of brown. Were any non-brown games good or popular at all in the last decade?

    Kudos on correctly identifying the best of the GTAs, though.
  • PearOfAnguish #46 2 years ago

    Stuart Campbell doesn't like it. Quelle surprise.
    The only way the good Reverend would agree with a top ten list is if it was filled with obscure shmups and racing games that were only available for an obscure Japanese games console in the 80s.
  • Rens11 #47 2 years ago

    Good to see GTA3 topping the list I remember getting the game when I was about 11 thinking the possibilities were endless, although nothing could beat cruising, listening to 80's cheese with the sun setting in the distance as in GTA Vice City. GTA3 came mighty close!
  • systems #48 2 years ago

    Q3A but not UT (both released in 99)?
    I won't argue with Deus Ex, that was excellent.
    No mention of Operation: Flashpoint (2001), probably the most influential military sim ever made (until ArmAII recently)?
    You preferred the roleplaying experience of Oblivion to Baldur's Gate 2 (2000)?
    No Resident Evil 4? Or God of War?

    Very odd list, but I imagine deliberately so or we'd all agree and post nothing.
  • Tuffty #49 2 years ago

    Mostly agree with the list, although I thought Metroid Prime would have had a decent shout.
  • el_pollo_diablo #50 2 years ago

    I am admittedly an imbecile plebiscite who knows nothing, but I'd have had Gimme Friction Baby on that list somewhere.
  • PearOfAnguish #51 2 years ago

    None of the many radio stations across the whole series have ever been as good as Chatterbox in GTA III. Fact.
  • gaselite #52 2 years ago

    Do any of you dickheads actually read or do you just look at the pictures?

    Before we begin our countdown, however, a brief disclaimer. As with our Top 50 lists every Christmas, I'd be the first to admit the list that follows is anything but definitive. It does, however, reflect the tastes and preferences of more than 20 passionate gamers over a huge period of time, many of whom have been paid to play as much of everything under the sun during the period covered. If your first instinct is to call bullshit on the list, more power to you, but for the rest of you, I simply hope you enjoy being reminded about what are at the very least some of the games of the decade, and that you find some of our recollections and considerations insightful.
  • lambtron #53 2 years ago

    Normally I'm not one to criticise lists as they're highly subjective. But even I would take issue with that list :D.
  • Tomo #54 2 years ago

    Aye, I'm with lambtron :p

    Fair enough though!
  • hyperkineticninja #55 2 years ago

    Really guys, I got a negative score, do you honestly all think Ellie is funny?

    I love EG and have used it pretty much for the whole of those 10 years and I honestly think Ellie is the worst thing that has happend to it. A lot of people complain about EG yet you all jump to defend this unfunny woman who is the main reason EG is so dumbed down now and not taken seriously!
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 16:27
  • Widge #56 2 years ago

    I loved revisiting Liberty City in the PSP version (bar the rather meh first missions), it was really nice to go back have the modern setting AND proper licenced music on the radio stations (although MSX was proper stuff first time round too). The only beef I used to have with GTA3 was that as you progressed through the game, it was easy to get suddenly nailed by someone in an area in the early islands who you'd pissed off. Driving around, you'd suddenly blow up, usually some mafioso with a shotgun by the side of the road or something. Ended up neglecting those areas of town as I'd lose hard won weapons. Also that final mission, never got past it.

    Anyway I digress, going back a 2nd time for equal enjoyment just showed how quality it was in GTA3.
  • kupocake #57 2 years ago

    Good list, and one the exposes why the listing of favourites is ultimately a silly exercise, especially in collobaration where people's fickle tastes mingle in a big pot of grey and we're left to read up on why the games in question are good, if we can overlook the utterly meaningless order they appear in.

    Anyone following the drama will know that Little Big Planet was the best game to come out of 2008. Better than say, Fallout 3. Which is the seventh best game of the last ten years, hence prompting the question: "Where is Little Big Planet, you fickle cads?"
  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #58 2 years ago

    @ gaselite

    Most people are complaining that's it a boring list rather than complaining it's not definitive.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 16:32
  • paketep #59 2 years ago

    WoW and GTA3?. Are you fucking kidding me?.
  • hyperkineticninja #60 2 years ago

    Instead of just hiding behind the "-" option does anyone wish to engage in a mature and civilised debate about why you may not agree with my statement?
  • kingcrude #61 2 years ago

    you cant argue with soemone elses top 10. it was a collective top ten too. GTA III is the bollocks the
  • skillian #62 2 years ago

    Trials 2, but no Portal? I am saddened.
  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #63 2 years ago

    @ hyperkineticninja

    Because it's nice to have games journalism that isn't the usual corporate cock-sucking promotion of whatever shit product the PR has to promote. Because it's nice to have a laugh about games rather than being all po-faced about something that's supposed to fun. Because I'd prefer to read Ellie's jokes, no matter how lame, than hear about polygons and all that shit.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 16:36
  • mingster #64 2 years ago

    No we all love Ellie now go away.
  • PearOfAnguish #65 2 years ago

    @hyperkineticninja
    Most interviews with PR monkeys and suited idiots are dry and boring, they rarely - if ever - tell you anything new or interesting. If those are the kind of articles you like then it's easy to find them, just go to IGN, Gamespy or any other games site. I enjoy Ellie's interviews just because they're funny, don't go into them expecting to learn anything, they're entertainment. It's a nice change to the usual garbage that spews from publisher's marketing departments.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 16:38
  • Johnsters #66 2 years ago

    I haven't played most of the games on the list. No PC/No Xbox :-(
    I have invested a lot of time on CoD4 MP though. Single player was short but intense.
    I just went back and took a looky at my old PS2 collection
    Cold Winter (very linear, but I loved it), Freedom Fighters, Black, Baulders Gate 2, ICO...

    GTA series were good for the concept, but I found them boring and repetitive.
  • DrRobotnik #67 2 years ago

    Not the ten games I'd take to a desert island, that's for sure.
  • skillian #68 2 years ago

    @hyperkineticninja - can only speak for myself, but I think Ellie's writing has improved the website, and her articles are often some of the most entertaining.

    If you'd been complaining that she doesn't know much about games then I might be more inclined to agree with you (Ellie didn't seem to have played any on this list aprt from WoW, and even that she didn't seem to like that much).
  • hyperkineticninja #69 2 years ago

    @Pac-Man Ate My Wife

    Thanks for replying :)

    Of course I enjoy that too, but I do come to EG to find out about games, even though most news they report these days is copy and pasted from other sites.

    I honestly do not think that Ellie provides that, it is purile and immature and at the EXPENSE of game news/info, humour should enhance the boring facts and news, not replace it.

    Just my 2 cents, not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, just wanted a grown up discussion, shame about the new rating system!
  • roz123 #70 2 years ago

    no Japenese game.................
  • miiiguel #71 2 years ago

    "Of course I enjoy that too, but I do come to EG to find out about games, even though most news they report these days is copy and pasted from other sites. "

    After making 4 comments about a writer and none about the games, I'm inclined to find that statement... funny.
  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #72 2 years ago

    I reckon a more interesting exercise would've been to get 10 EG writers, past and present, to list their 10 favourite games from the past 10 years. Individual taste is always more interesting than the outlier-killing nature of communal lists.
  • hyperkineticninja #73 2 years ago

    I don't have many problems with the list, I think it is fine and is peoples opinions, may not be my top 10, but that doesnt make it wrong.

    But when a contributer to the list has nothing to contribute it just seems a bit pointless.
  • The-Bodybuilder #74 2 years ago

    What a crummy list.
    WOuldn't have just made sense to just select and make a list out of the games the staff voted best from each year for the last few years? Every christmas, you guys make a list of the top 10 for the year, why not compile and make the list out of the number 1s for each year?
  • The-Bodybuilder #75 2 years ago

    Plus, no shenmuue, FAIL.
  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #76 2 years ago

    @ bronze

    You do know that polygons in no way make a game entertaining, right?
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 16:54
  • hyperkineticninja #77 2 years ago

    @miiiguel

    Having worked in the industry myself now for a few years I can say I am defintly interested in games, the fact that I did not comment specifically about the games from this article was because like i said I do not personally have a problem with the list.

    I think people who are truely interested in games would like to see this hobby and artform taken a little bit seriously by the wider media, the production and cost of games is getting on par to that of films, yet the audience and the medium is viewed by most people as immature, and this kind of "journalism" increases that opinion.
  • TSYNDMonkfish #78 2 years ago

    Id of had Flashpoint, EvE, BF2 & the original Colin Mcrea Rally in my list - but a good read anyway, thanks
  • miiiguel #79 2 years ago

    I don't agree with that. To each it's own, or something. I prefer creative writing than press release texts or TV Guide style articles. For technical stuff I have my Linux Format subscription, then again this is my ludic activity, not my job, maybe that's where the diference is.
  • Raiko101 #80 2 years ago

    A great list. I wouldn't consider many of those games to be among my favourites, but that's not really the point. A fair few of those games have done more for the gaming industry than the big titles many seem to suggest should have made your list. GTA III is definately the highlight of gaming for me this decade. The experience, the amazement and the enjoyment was something no game has since been able to match. Not for me anyways.
  • FooAtari #81 2 years ago

  • jimboton #82 2 years ago

    @ skilian

    If you'd been complaining that she doesn't know much about games then I might be more inclined to agree with you (Ellie didn't seem to have played any on this list aprt from WoW, and even that she didn't seem to like that much).

    I think your wrong there, in fact, I'd say her own list probably didn't have Modern Warporn in it for one thing.

    It might even have contained Ico or Braid instead..
  • j1m.ch053n #83 2 years ago

    no final fantasy?
    no bioware RPGs?
    no gran turismo/forza?
    no Elite?
    2 bethesda RPGs - no im sorry thats just plain wrong
  • hyperkineticninja #84 2 years ago

    @miiiguel

    If you like creative writing there are endless great books in the world. These guys get paid to be "games journalists" so they should report on games.

    I think games journalists on the whole are what keeping the games industry back by years.

    Remember, those who can't do it themselves, usually become critics or "journalists"

    ***Edited because I spelt your name wrong :)***
    Edited by 3 at 04/09/09 @ 17:10
  • Burkey123 #85 2 years ago

    No Metroid Prime!? What the hell!?
  • skillian #86 2 years ago

    @jimboton: Well, I wrote that before I'd read the Games of the Decade article, where Ellie pretty much answers the question directly.

    She says she doesn't like most games, saying "No. The majority of them are mediocre, while almost all the other ones are rubbish." And when listing the few she's enjoyed that aren't rubbish, she mentions Diner Dash, Jak & Daxter, Bejeweled, Zuma, Pac-Man Championship Edition and two Cake-Mania games. Oh, she's such a girl ;)

    But don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that - I read EG for entertainment, not for someone to affirm my belief that Dawn of War II is worth at least an 8/10.
  • miiiguel #87 2 years ago

    @ hyperkineticninja: There are also endless gaming sites in the world (well, figure of speech here, of course...). Maybe some other suits you better. Let's be happy they are not all like this for your sake, and vice-versa.
  • Rev.StuartCampbell #88 2 years ago

    "Stuart Campbell doesn't like it. Quelle surprise.
    The only way the good Reverend would agree with a top ten list is if it was filled with obscure shmups and racing games that were only available for an obscure Japanese games console in the 80s."


    So you're saying it's NOT brown?
  • hyperkineticninja #89 2 years ago

    "Oh, she's such a girl ;)"

    BTW I do "get" the whole Ellie thing, she is a girl and this is a games website, wow thats funny! I don't want to shock you but there are plenty of girls who like and work in games. So the fact that her whole "humour" is based on this cliche that girls don't like games is really, really old and outdated.
  • Oli Verified Reviews Editor, Eurogamer.net #90 2 years ago

    gaselite, re: Death From Above - I didn't mean to be bitchy or backhanded, and certainly not contemptuous. I genuinely don't know what IW's intentions were with it, and would be interested to find out.

    I know how I reacted to it personally, but at face value it's kind of ambiguous, don't you think? Which is part of what makes it so great.
  • cyacomini #91 2 years ago

    *reads

    *laughs

    *deletes eurogamer from bookmarks

  • skillian #92 2 years ago

    Dude, you don't like Ellie, we get it.

    Many people on here find her funny and entertaining, even if the jokes don't hit their mark every single time, and when your stuck in a shitty job where reading Eurogamer can help you get through the day, that's good enough for me.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 17:21
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  • hyperkineticninja #94 2 years ago

    @miiiguel

    Like I have constantly mentioned, EG is my favourite site, so its not like I am anti comedy or anything, and I do frequent most gaming sites, but EG remains my favourite, despite the obvious stirring of the fan boys, the shocking reviews, Dead Space comes to mind, but Ellie is one joke that is really wearing thin.

    And "endless" may be simply a figure of speech when it comes to gaming sites, can probably count the decent ones on one hand, but it is pretty true about books, I am pretty sure, no matter how hard I tried, I could not read every book that exists, or will exisist in my lifetime.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 17:22
  • hyperkineticninja #95 2 years ago

    @skillian

    Get a better job for your sake! :)
  • skillian #96 2 years ago

    After 70% of my team were made redundant this year, I'm happy to have a job at all :)

    And really it's not that bad, but Eurogamer does provide some light relief, and judging how busy this site is during the day compared to the evenings, I'd say I'm not the only one.
  • Zomoniac #97 2 years ago

    Did nobody on the EG team ever own a Dreamcast??!!
  • hyperkineticninja #98 2 years ago

    I guess now is not the time to make drastic changes what with the state of things financially around the world!

    I'm not trying to begrudge anyone their relief, its nice to get well rounded opinions rather than "she is a girl we must like her and find her funny cos she makes jokes about games and did I mention she is a girl"
  • miiiguel #99 2 years ago

    "is based on this cliche that girls don't like games is really, really old and outdated. "

    That might be true, but there's a hard fact which is... I live with one of those "cliched chicks". Outdated, I know, I keep telling her that, a pink DS did help, a bit. Ppl often don't realise that there are thoushands (probably) members that do not post here.
    Anyway, I also find some reviews completly wrong in a way that I disagree with them (Blue Dragon; Wolverine; etc), though it doesn't really bother me, I drive my own car. What I might be slightly annoyed is when a review goes public and it's clear that the reviewer almost didn't play the game (or wasn't paying much atention), and tries to make the reader think otherwise. That happens a lot more in other sites than here.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 17:30
  • spudsbuckley #100 2 years ago

    Props for listing Quake 3. Makes most modern multiplayer shooter look like the garbage that they are.

    And good choice with WoW as well. A lot of the rest of the list is a bit 'new' though.
  • sargulesh #101 2 years ago

    What a silly list.
  • hyperkineticninja #102 2 years ago

  • zoidberg #103 2 years ago

    Where is ANACHRONOX !!?!?!?!?!
  • Artemis_Matsas #104 2 years ago

    Happy Anniversary Eurogamer!
  • DDevil #105 2 years ago

    You know what? There's a lot of people griping like a baby with colic in these comments, but the reader-voted top ten doesn't read any "better"

    1 Half-Life 2
    2 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
    3 Resident Evil 4
    4 Shadow of the Colossus
    5 Fallout 3
    6 Deus Ex
    7 BioShock
    8 ICO
    9 Portal
    10 World of Warcraft

    Did none of you own a Dreamcast? Where are the Nintendo games? etc etc. Bitch bitch, moan moan moan.
  • dbranchevans #106 2 years ago

    Think its hamstrung by the fact that the votings spread across their whole team so more leftfield games will get swamped.

    Think in terms of genre definining games GTA III isn't actually a bad choice, how many games suddenly copied it after?

    For what its worth for games that changed a genre/ definined it

    10. Halflife 2 - Well overated but still good and it led to a huge improvement in story driven FPS
    9. Oblivion - Yes its dull in places but still f*****g better than fallout 3's VATS!
    8. Rock Band - Get the beers in, seriously good fun
    7. Black -PS2 -Actually still the best FPS I've played
    6. CoD4 - Single player utter shite, multiplayer has set a new benchmark
    5. WoW - Actually hate it but you can't argue its changed MMO
    4. GTA III - Its the only game I've ever been able to sit and watch someone play and not get bored just because of the carnage!
    3. Planescape torment- just fantastic
    2. Wii Sports- I'm serious, how many games before that could you ever play with your gf/ family, its changed Nintendo's fortunes and gaming forever
    1. EVE online - I hate it but I think in terms of where gaming is going its one of the most interesting concepts around. Imagine a Battlefield 2 on a grand scale which is essentially what it is, this isn't that game simply because its genuinly more interested to read about than play but the next big thing will be very similar and its the only thing I see beating WOW
  • pinochet_cz #107 2 years ago

    I saw worse top tens :) Even in top ten game lists.
  • curtlikesmeat #108 2 years ago

    Although I was a long time reader of Gamespot before the whole mass leaving thing, I have to say that I can always feel some affinity with the EG writers that the US sites just don't give across, maybe they're mostly the same age as me and have similar values... maybe they just write a review in the same way I think I'd write it but for the most part I've really enjoyed their reviews.

    That list is shocking by anyone's standards, well done all invovled though, you've created an excellent website and a nice little community.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 17:51
  • andywilkie35 #109 2 years ago

    tonyhawkproskater3insteadoftonyhawkproskater2lol

    Good to see Oblivion in there though. Easily in the top 5 games I've ever played, let alone in the last 10 years
  • Windypops #110 2 years ago

    Tony fucking Hawk?

    Tony.
    Fucking.
    Hawk?

    I disagree with some of your choices! *shakes fists*
    I agree with some of your choices! *nods sagely at the vindication of his taste*
  • KrissAkabusi #111 2 years ago

    Oli Welsh

    'I have played World of Warcraft for 1,532 hours, 3 minutes and 25 seconds. That's not counting time logged on beta servers for the expansions, and a couple of low-level characters I deleted. I have played my main character for over 795 hours.'

    1,532 hours - that's around ten months of work for the average person. TEN MONTHS!!! I feel bad for you man. I really do.

    As for the list, not to my taste, but didn't expect it to be anyway. I would say GTA3 is one of the flimsiest gaming experiences I've ever had. The sequels were far more solid experiences.
  • EuroStalker #112 2 years ago

    This list is laughable. Not a single Nintendo or Square Enix game.

    This list goes to show that Eurogamer are full of PC gamers who love their FPS and gun games which is also reflected in their review scores.

    Not to include games like Final Fantasy, Shadow Of Collosus, Mario Galaxy and Zelda (pick one) not only berefts this list of merit but shows a lack of rounded journalism at Eurogamer.

    Is Eurogamer PCGamer in disguise!?!
  • uglygamer #113 2 years ago

    Nice list. Without a doubt whether you love it or not (I like it) GTA series or a particular GTA game deserves to be one. No single game or series has had such an effect for the industry.
  • skillian #114 2 years ago

    This list goes to show that Eurogamer are full of ex-PC gamers

    Fixed that for you ;)

    Seriously, I don't think any regular at EG plays PC games regularly (aprt from Oli perhaps).
  • jackinov #115 2 years ago

    I've only played two of these games—GTA III and COD4—and I only ever played COD4 for what must have been 30 minutes max.

    Surprised to see no MGS game on there, not that I think any of them necessarily deserve to be there but because almost every other video game website would have included at least one—but I guess that's why I like you guys at Eurogamer!

    Although I must say that it does annoy me how some of you guys appear to chuck in as many adjectives into a sentence as possible. As my English teacher back in my days of secondary school would say, less is sometimes more. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine.

    Keep up the good work!
  • EuroStalker #116 2 years ago

    This list is also very Western centric which leads me to think it was drawn up by PC gamers.

    If this list reflects the thinking at Eurogamer then a Happy Mediocre Birthday. May the next ten years bring you variety and may you expand your horizon beyond mediocrity.
  • Stoatboy #117 2 years ago

    Thank you John Bye for showing me there's another person who doesn't get why everyone else thinks Half Life 2 is so great. Beyond the great character work (especially Dog who's a star) I found the game nothing special, and the locations were drab and depressing.

    @andywilkie35 : Agreed on the THPS 2 front. Much the better game than 3, IMO.
  • Dirtbox #118 2 years ago

    EG Editors in not really having very good taste in games shocker.

    Oh, Except John.

    Legend.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 18:45
  • cyber_nicco #119 2 years ago

    Worst...list...ever!

    Actually, probably not, but I found it a bit silly. As if it was sorted out over a LOT of cocktails in a noisy, smoky bar.

    I haven't read the posts yet, so I imagine the choices have already been pretty well laughed at, so I'll leave it at that.
  • KrissAkabusi #120 2 years ago

    I got Orangebox when it came out, loved Portal, but really didn't get why the Half-Life games were so widely praised, very dull in my opinion.
  • Zomoniac #121 2 years ago

    Not to include games like Final Fantasy, Shadow Of Collosus, Mario Galaxy and Zelda (pick one) not only berefts this list of merit but shows a lack of rounded journalism at Eurogamer.

    FF7 and 8 are too old, as is Ocarina, WW split opinion and TP was shit, so that explains no FF or Zelda.
  • Stompy #122 2 years ago

    "And you know what? I'm not bored yet."

    Boring people can't get bored.
  • Talbot #123 2 years ago

    Not one of them had a bad thing to say about WoW despite the fact that it's combat is horribly dull and its a long, dull and tedious grind to reach the end level. Maybe if they made it like Fallout 3...
  • dbranchevans #124 2 years ago

    Its not a list of their fav games, its the whole team, hence why quite mundane choices! Not sure about this obsession about Shadow of the Colossus?? Comon, it was bordering on a very pretty quicktime event game. Equally i'm afraid I've never seen the obsession with the Final Fantasy or Zelda games, thought Baldurs Gate et al were better. Although the NES version of Zelda was pretty good to be fair...
  • LewisResolution #125 2 years ago

    Hello. Instead of moaning that the list doesn't exactly reflect my own, I'll tell you all what I voted for. To the best of my recollection, these were my top ten games of the last decade the other day. It's probably changed since then. In fact, I know it has. Spelunky would be in there.

    1. Deus Ex
    2. GTA 3
    3. Half-Life 2
    4. Vampy Bloodlines
    5. Portal
    6. Morrowind
    7. BioShock
    8. Fallout 3
    9. LittleBigPlanet
    10. I have no idea what was here. What other games have been good?
  • rogueJT #126 2 years ago

    Jesus.
    Not one of my choices here.
  • JahB #127 2 years ago

    This list made me remember some awesome games I had almost forgotten about (GTA III, i'm looking at you). Thanks for that one.

    and it seems that most people commenting this "game x not on list - outrage" aren't even old enough to appreciate/remember half of the games on the list, leave alone comprehend the impact they had on the industry.
  • Pulsar_t #128 2 years ago

    We all have opinions. We needn't EG staff's to boost our 'self-esteem'.

    As for Portal, it was excellent but to me felt like a mod rather than a full fledged game. Being short didn't help either. Apples versus oranges I guess.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 19:42
  • SirScratchalot #129 2 years ago

    Yeah... at least Deus Ex was on there...
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    ...........
    ...................
  • chiz #130 2 years ago

    7. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3

    eh?
  • chiz #131 2 years ago

    Nice to see Quake in there.

    Quakeworld was my first plunge into online gaming too. I loved it to the point my wife got ignored 24/7.

    Konami can't get 1v1 on Pro Evo right, but Quakeworld could easily do 64 10 years ago with no lag. So much for progress.

  • LewisResolution #132 2 years ago

    Anyway, it's all moot now, as Spelunky's the greatest game in the world.

    Why are you all arguing when you could be playing Spelunky?
  • sanctusmortis #133 2 years ago

    No LTTP, no OOT, no Halo. FAIL.
  • Hantheman #134 2 years ago

    Ellie's a bit of a grumpy one isn't she?
  • Toonster #135 2 years ago

    No Metroid Prime? No Shadow of the Colossus?

    But MP especially...
  • psychokitten #136 2 years ago

    I don't agree with most of the list, but it's sort of the point of lists, isn't it?

    Comments thread could do with a little less bitching aimed at specific people, it's a bit.... bitchy.
  • djcool3005 #137 2 years ago

    I was really expecting Portal to be at number 1. I like GTA3 but its not a top 10 game for me.
  • LewisResolution #138 2 years ago

    For the record, I actually think the top three are absolutely dead on. If we're talking about games of real significance, that completely encapsulate what the past ten years of gaming has been, it's those games.

    Think about the prominence of open-world games these days. That's down to GTA3. Think about the huge trend for MMOs - no other game in the world has a larger player base than World of Warcraft. Think about what all us games-journo-types keep screaming that we want more of. That's down to Deus Ex. These are three games that completely revolutionised their respective landscapes, and regardless of personal preference, I don't think there's a more fitting trio of games to claim the highest plaudits.
  • George-Roper #139 2 years ago

    Wow, this must really rankle the Fallout 3 / Oblivion haterz :D

    GTAIII was 'the' game for my PS2. The excitement of having such an open, 3D environment was fantastic and it's vanilla nature (not being overly fixated on gangstaz or other cliched bad-guys) actually made it much more interesting. Vice City wasn't that bad but San Andreas was a 100% turn-off due to the popping-a-cap-in-yo-ass background story. Truly awful setting. Vomit-worthy, in fact.

    GTAIV brought things a bit back on track but it still didn't offer that same level of 'it's your game, do what you want' approach that GTAIII managed.
  • FooAtari #140 2 years ago

    Do people actually READ these articles in full??

    I must have read at least 10 posts from people bitching about games OLDER than 10 years old not being in the list...
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 21:54
  • Errol #141 2 years ago

    How the HELL can either Battlefield 1942/2 not be in that list?? I mean, WTF?

    Also, Quake II is/was significantly better than QIII. Movement, feel, and overall gameplay and deathmatch battles - nothing as bettered QII in that department.
  • kupocake #142 2 years ago

    "This list is laughable. Not a single Nintendo or Square Enix game."
    Inevitable, completely defendable. Nintendo's neglect of the core gamer is hardly news, and their quality titles will always rip each other apart trying to squeeze into these lists. Why like any one Zelda or Mario game over another? As for Square-Enix, what a joke. They're the least creatively important developer in the world now.

    Yes, the list is full of manly action games with wide-reaching appeal among the review staff and readership. And lists will always represent the opinion of the lowest common denominator.

    And it must be said, calling out Half-Life 2 for being 'drab and depressing' is a lesson in missing the point.
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/09 @ 22:57
  • SG #143 2 years ago

    I'm surprised not to see Metroid Prime in there actually, or Okami.
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/09 @ 00:15
  • mkreku #144 2 years ago

    I had Deus Ex on my top ten list (number two, actually)! But other than that.. er, no comment.
  • Gaiduku #145 2 years ago

    Ahh despite the later GTA games being overall better I had so much more fun with GTA 3..... and I never actually owned the game let alone completed it.

    Every day after school from about 2001- late 2002 i would go to a friends house and we'd do our GTA3 Challenge. We;d drive to the Multistory car park on the games second Island and shoot things until we'd get a 4 star wanted level. We'd then use the Pedestrian Riot and Pedestrians with Weapons cheat..... and then we'd drive.

    The task was to get to where the game began on the first Island and then drive all the way to the airport runway on the third island. We tried it again and again and again...... neither of us ever succeeded..... and we never ever got bored.

    Although we got close once.... very close. It was my friends turn and he was just about to drive into the airport.............when a molotov cocktail from a nearby pedestrian smashed into the car -game over.
  • oerhoert #146 2 years ago

    Rob Fahey wrote: <em>"To my mind, it's not the best sandbox game out there (I'd pick another Rockstar title, Bully, for that accolade)"</em>

    Wow. It's a slower version of GTA3 with a drastically lower game area with drastically fewer interactive affordances, and with drastically more loading pauses. The only thing about Bully that was any good was the setting/story ands music. How that can be 'the best sandbox game' in a world where GTA, Fallout 3 and Burnout Paradise exist is unfathomable to me.

    Also: People who don't get Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 need to try it. It's the best of the series, all in all.
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/09 @ 01:57
  • RobotRocker #147 2 years ago

    Attn: Tom

    SSX Hating shall not be tollerated since SSX Tricky ran THPS3 damn close for best game of 2002 let alone best extreme sports game. Granted, it could have used some of the things brought in SSX3 like Manuals, Buttering and Grind Ubers. But it was still a close run race. Nothing has topped the sheer fun for me as pelting down Mercury City Meltdown and punching JP's smug face in.
  • JayKwon #148 2 years ago

    One of the best articles I've ever read. Ever. Enjoyed reading all of it. Congrats Eurogamer, a massive thumbs up for you.
  • doctorgonzo #149 2 years ago

    I'm with Gibson on GTA. Dull, puerile and the worst controls of any game in the history of ever, with the possible exception of Iron Soldier on the Atari Jaguar.
  • PearOfAnguish #150 2 years ago

    *reads

    *laughs

    *deletes eurogamer from bookmarks


    Yes never come back to the site because of a list of favourite games with which you don't agree. That is definitely the rational response.


    The number of angry internet men here is astounding.
  • drunkymonkey #151 2 years ago

    Happy birthday, EG! And some fantastic points here.
  • George-Roper #152 2 years ago

    10) Gran Turismo 1
    9) Tekken 4
    8) God of War
    7) Metal Gear Solid 4
    6) Wipeout HD
    5) Killzone 2
    4) Heavenly Sword
    3) Fnal Fantasy 7
    2) Ico
    1) Shadow of tthe Collosus


    Now that's some brand impartiality! Bravo!
  • Praetorianer #153 2 years ago

    While I don't agree with some of the titles in this list (especially GTA3...oh, come on!), I am very happy about Quake 3 and DeusEx :)

  • knightmt #154 2 years ago

    Massively impressed that THPS 3 made it on the list, I know a lot of people do not get it, but Tom put it perfectly, it is combo heaven. Skate is a great game but is way less playable than the original Tony Hawks, I have completed all the Tony Hawks games but only got about 3/4 through skate it was almost too accurate.
    And if you doubt its progressiveness, the numbers speak(poor argument I know).
  • butler` #155 2 years ago

    now THATS a fucking top 10 list

    bravo EG
  • butler` #156 2 years ago

    and lol at some of these comments, i'm desperately trying not to say your opinion is wrong, but seriously, Killzone 2?

    and im guessing starcraft aint there cus it's a) too old for the EG 10 year thing or b) y'all suck at rts omgdeletesbookmark
  • Praetorianer #157 2 years ago

    @Dill_doe

    Judging by your top 10, I can see that you are a console gamer (only?) and thus you seem to have no clue how good PC games look nowadays at a higher resolution and better framerate.
  • Ced_Flanders #158 2 years ago

    Not that anyone cares, but this would be my top 10

    10. Tomb Raider 1
    9. Metal Gear Solid
    8. Morrowind
    7. Final Fantasy IX
    6. Star Wars: KOTOR
    5. Mario Kart DS
    4. Planescape Torment
    3. Deus Ex
    2. Guild Wars series
    1. Age of Empires 2: Age of Kings
  • jpj84 #159 2 years ago

    These are all shooty-shooty gun games. I don't think I have ever played any of them.
  • local_celebrity #160 2 years ago

    @Oli
    @gaselite

    The lead COD developer discussing the AC130 level in wide-eyed wonderment.

    Game, set and match to Oli.
  • swills #161 2 years ago

    Jesus christ this one really did manage to bring every slack-jawed retard out of the woodwork.

    RTF article. It's an OPINION piece from a small group of games players. God forbid they should ever express personal preference! Oh, the humanity!
  • Henrik_se #162 2 years ago

    @dbranchevans

    The deal with Shadow of the Colossus is that it's the saddest video game ever made. So you climb up on a colossus, one of these huge, curious, slow, beautiful creatures. You fight just to hang on to it, but you grab and hold and sway and jump, and finally you stab it with your sword, and it falls, slowly, slowly to the ground. And your reward? You get stabbed by shadows and are brought back to the temple where you started.

    "THY NEXT FOE..."

    The first few colossi you kill you're all pumped up and excited, but as it drags on, as you slowly lose the colour of your skin, as you get weaker and weaker each time, clearly going closer and closer to death, you start to ask yourself why? Why am I killing these beautiful creatures? And then the girl stirs a bit. Or did she? Was it the wind? Is she coming back to life? Maybe she is, is it worth it?

    "THY NEXT FOE..."

    And up on your horse you go, shining your sword onto the next one...
  • trip919 #163 2 years ago

    Tony Hawk’s 3!? They perfected and never bettered the series with number 2! That is a great game & I still wouldn’t have it in my top ten.

  • smelly #164 2 years ago

    "(nintendo) They're the least creatively important developer in the world now. "


    Spoken like someone who doesnt have a clue. Well done.

    There's more creativity in mario galaxy than halo 3 had on master chefs fork.
  • wonton #165 2 years ago

    Ced_Flanders, you have good taste in games :)

    The thing with EG's list is that those are all good games, but Lifetime Top 10...Really?

    Its like they listed all 8+/10 games and picked them at random...
  • Nikanoru #166 2 years ago

    For the record, I actually think the top three are absolutely dead on. If we're talking about games of real significance, that completely encapsulate what the past ten years of gaming has been, it's those games.

    You know what, you're completely right, and that's probably why I've barely touched any games lately, and why this is a perfect shit-list full of crap to avoid (with one or two exceptions).


    These are all shooty-shooty gun games. I don't think I have ever played any of them.

    And I think this is partially the core of the problem. It's a list full of tough guy simulators and ego-stroking aids, with barely any actual games in there.

    I'm beginning to realize that I really despise what is defined as a "gamer" these days.
  • LordDante #167 2 years ago

    Seriously.. System Shock 2 not in the list, but you put trials?

    sad...just sad
  • VMerken #168 2 years ago

    Sooo... what lesson(s) should one learn from "Eurogamer's Lifetime Top 10":

    "If it isn't 3D, it's not Lifetime material" ?

    or...

    "Utterly generic/simplistic/forgettable "RPGs" rock if they are pretty to look at in the current generation of games" ?

    One is at a loss.

    Nikanoru: I know, I'm going through something similar. Welcome to the industry which discovered how focus groups get "more" games sold, and how this results in less "new" games being made.
    Edited by 1 at 09/09/09 @ 20:20
  • Zephro #169 2 years ago

    Baldur's Gate 2 is a million times better than Oblivion, that's a scientific fact! The formula goes
    (Fallout 3 + Oblivion + a load of mods to make Oblivion playable + full intercourse) = Baldur's Gate 2 / 1000000

    Thief 2 is also better than most that list. No strategy games either for shame!

    They're just lucky it didn't include '99, System Shock 2, Planescape.

    That all said it is of course quite a personal thing. (Except the bit about Baldur's Gate)
  • Zephro #170 2 years ago

    @LordDante, I totally agree about System Shock 2 but it was 1999.
  • Saxo #171 2 years ago

    Very good list, of course it lacks some games i would have put there. And i have a few games i properly would not rate as top 10. But with all thouse games released the last 10 years. I think you made a very good list.
  • andy06 #172 2 years ago

    A very good list. The top 3, as someone said earlier, is spot on. Although I've never played WoW, and think it's a life sapping game designed to turn men into losers, one can't deny its colossal success. Deus Ex is by far the greatest FPS/RPG of the past decade and GTA3, albeit not as good as its polished successor, Vice City, was such a fundamental paradigm shift as to be a classic. HL2 should be in the Top 10 most overrated games of the decade, but it seems everyone else absolutely adored it, so I couldn't argue its place in there. The only game that I'm surprised is omitted is Counter Strike; the retail release was in 2000 and I feel it, in a similar way to WoW, contributed to online multiplayer gaming and dare I say "e-sports" in such a way as to justify a place in the top 10.

    Good show, EG. Thanks for rekindling some of the memories over the years.
  • CitizenGeek #173 2 years ago

  • Les #174 2 years ago

    It's a bit unsettling when Oblivion makes it into any other list than a 'worst-pieces-of-crap-ever-fed-to-the-gaming-public' type of list but other than that can't really take offense...
  • uk_john #175 2 years ago

    Nothing pre-2000. Such is gaming history now. Nothing before the 'multiformat' market came along.