Digital Foundry vs. 3DS

Tech talk and brand new demo analysis.

Thank Nintendo for this year's slice of E3 wonder. Last year Microsoft blew minds with the first reveal of Project Natal, but "the big N" appears to have sewn up E3 2010 with the only new piece of gaming hardware we'll see at this year's show: Nintendo 3DS.

Let's get out of the way everything that it isn't. There's absolutely no sign at all of an NVIDIA Tegra GPU in this as previously reported, and clearly the graphics technology is not in the same league. Earlier suggestions that the new console would be in the same visual class as PS3 or Xbox 360 are incorrect.

What we do have is a massively significant increase in rendering power over the existing DS, leap-frogging the PSP and probably offering around the same horsepower as a Dreamcast, maybe in some respects giving PS2-level performance. But from everything I've seen so far there's no sign of the sort of rendering features that you see in iPad or iPhone 3GS, so no evidence of programmable pixel shaders or other state-of-the-art OpenGL ES 2.0 loveliness.

Nintendo being Nintendo, there's very little coming out of the company about the technical make-up of the machine itself. However, it's clear that it is using ARM CPU architecture (albeit with a likely significant speed boost over DSi) so as to maintain compatibility with the existing range of DS hardware.

Well-informed sources have told us that after the NVIDIA deal went south a while back, Nintendo sourced a new graphics processor from closer to home. Japanese firm DMP is strongly rumoured to be providing the GPU for 3DS: certainly the firm's association with close Nintendo partner NEC, along with the fact that its graphics core is already being used with an auto-stereoscopic display, make it the most likely candidate by far.

If the GPU within the Nintendo 3DS is less powerful than some might have hoped for, the actual presentation via auto-stereoscopic 3D display is nothing short of sensational. The 3D image gives plenty of depth and looks superb: bright, clear and very crisp, right up there with the best PSP screens, albeit with that extra, crucial dimension.

In contrast to the current 3D screens using glasses, there's absolutely no dulled image quality with 3DS. Conventional stereo 3D requires half of the light emitted by the display to be sent to each eye, reducing overall clarity. Not so with 3DS, which is vibrant and beautiful.

My first port of call after returning from the E3 showfloor was to check out Oli Welsh's initial hands-on posted earlier in the day. Interestingly it's clear that my extended demo session covers a whole range of extra content: behind the scenes, Nintendo has three different 3DS prototypes, each with its onboard memory packed with a different selection of demos.

Getting to see them all in the charged E3 atmosphere and essentially hogging the hottest item on the showfloor isn't easy, but Nintendo is very courteous in allowing extended access to every piece of material available so we can provide the most accurate and extensive reportage possible.

There's plenty of it, too - a refreshing state of affairs for a system still apparently in development. Star of the 3DS content is clearly Metal Gear Solid 3D: Snake Eater, presented in a so-called "Naked Sample Edition" for E3.

Oli's already raved about this, but this is an important title not least because Kojima Productions has put its name to it, meaning that it's the real deal. Not only that but the demo itself is very reminiscent of the extended trailers Kojima-san's team used to put together to thrill us at the trade shows of yore. There's just one difference with this one: it's clearly running in real-time, and we have control of the camera via the analogue nub.

Switching between first- and third-person cameras we get to see Snake moving stealthily through the jungle, facing a giant snake that pops out of the screen, negotiating his way past an enemy patrol, crossing a rope bridge and evading a swarm of bees (!) before facing off against a boss [surely "Boss" - Ed] in a field of flowers shedding their petals. Beautiful stuff. If you ever get to check out this demo, you will instantly want to buy a 3DS. It's that compelling.

In a similar vein to the MGS demo we have Resident Evil: Revelations from Capcom. No gameplay environments, but what we do have is a cut-scene featuring dynamic camera tweaking, zoom options and a pause button for appreciating some of the more spectacular shots.

What impresses here is that it looks as though Capcom has tried to scale back its Resident Evil 5 models to work on the 3DS. While backgrounds are very simplistic, those player models are astonishingly well-realised and very good-looking. The fact that the Chris Redfield model is readily recognisable from his HD adventures speaks for itself.

After skilfully negotiating our way through all three of the 3DS prototypes, we find that there are a total of three different playable samplers in among the non-interactive stuff.

Probably the simplest is called simply 3D Challenge. The idea is very straightforward, with each mini-game event showcasing a challenge based on the idea of 3D depth. The simplest puzzle sees you moving two strawberries about in 3D. One of them is flat, the other is a full 3D object. You're tasked with choosing which one is actually in 3D.

Ridiculously simple of course, but that is the base-level challenge. Moving up to a slightly more taxing one, three golf holes are displayed on-screen. However, two are flat pictures while only one is actually a hole with 3D depth. Select the right one and you're off to the next challenge.

An intermediate-level test sees you having to select one of three different routes - only one of which leads to the sparkling diamond prize. The thing here is that all three routes are fully realised in stereoscopic 3D, and operate in three different axis, intertwining and criss-crossing, so the task is somewhat more taxing than it initially sounds.

The other two playables consists of new renditions of two old Nintendo favourites. PilotWings Resort offers up two different levels for our consumption: a simple "fly through the rings" plane event and a "burst balloons in your jetpack" arrangement. The graphics are minimalistic and basic - certainly nothing like the same league as Resident Evil or Metal Gear - but the 3D works well, and the rebirth of the classic PilotWings series is bound to generate huge interest.

The final piece of playable action is a stereoscopic 3D rendition of Starfox 64. This is probably the most disappointing demo of the lot though. As it's derived directly from the N64 title textures are of a low quality, models are low-poly and the action just doesn't offer anything new or exciting.

It's interesting to note that Sony's conference earlier in the day championed the fact that its 2011 3D titles are designed from the ground up to support 3D, with the platform holder hinting heavily that adapted 2D titles just don't make the most of the 3D concept. Certainly in the case of Starfox 64 3D there is an element of pointlessness about the whole exercise.

However, returning to the non-interactive material, there is plenty to whet the appetite. Mario Kart 3DS takes the form a rolling demo showing the titular character bombing around the track dodging bananas, firing off koopa shells and generally indulging in the sort of karting action that has kept us enthralled since the series debuted on Super Nintendo.

However, since the game is only represented by a very simple demo, it's difficult to imagine how Nintendo will use the 3D concept to enhance gameplay. Racing titles can benefit immeasurably from 3D (as Sony often tells us when demoing MotorStorm, for example), but the realistic effects of that brand of stereo 3D are limited to the first-person perspective, while Mario Kart 3DS almost certainly retains the traditional third-person angle.

What we do see are fairly basic but nicely rendered 3D environments and some nicely detailed karts and characters. The game engine is clearly locked at 60FPS, and one particular section, where Mario propels his kart skywards, offers some impressive views of the track ahead.

If the reveal of a new handheld Mario Kart game isn't enough to get you excited, perhaps the return of Paper Mario will. Again, not a huge amount is shown, but the mixture of 3D environments and 2D paper characters is unique and enchanting within the auto-stereoscopic 3D setup of the new hardware.

Our demo session heads toward its conclusion with another look at the 3DS tech demo Nintendo showcased at the climax of its E3 conference. A range of Nintendo scenes and characters are rendered with consummate detail in full stereo 3D. Oli described this scene in depth in his hands-on briefing, but one thing that should be factored into the discussion is that this is clearly a technical demonstration designed to show 3D on the system looking at its best.

Oli pointed out that the Link section looked better than the new Wii game, Skyward Sword, but just rendering a single character with no environments, no user input and no game logic is obviously a lot easier on the hardware than incorporating that same model into a full-on game with detail-rich characters and environments.

That being the case, to compare 3DS with Wii, or even GameCube, in terms of graphical quality based on this beautiful demo probably doesn't do the home console justice. The best demos we see based on actual game assets are of Dreamcast quality. While this may seem like a disappointment, bear in mind that we're running on a very small screen here, with a fairly high pixel density that will magnify the impact of that level of horsepower. Generally speaking, 3DS is a hugely attractive platform.

So, with the demos out of the way, it's time to get a closer look at the Nintendo 3DS' rather nifty party trick. The hardware features a total of three cameras, one stationed directly above the 3D screen, and another two on the lid. Why two cameras on the lid then? Welcome to the world of stereo 3D photography.

We never anticipated Nintendo incorporating this, and it really is cool. A simply capture tool allows you to line up and snap your chosen subject (with a stereo 3D viewfinder of course), and then you can view the images you've taken any time you want on the 3D screen, using the d-pad to adjust the parallax. It works, it's uncanny, and it's a great talking point.

What you can actually do with these images beyond looking at them on the 3DS screen remains to be seen, and you can't help but wonder what plans Nintendo has for this. In the other demos and games there was no need for this at all, and Nintendo builds its machines to a cost: there's no scope in this company's masterplan for any superfluous tech.

One can only imagine that there are plans in place for getting the most out of this addition, but in the here and now I can say with confidence that it is just very cool and I'm glad that Nintendo went for it.

Other elements of the 3DS remain something of a puzzle. At the conference Nintendo confirmed that the 3DS features a motion sensor and gyroscope. This is curious as there is a limited viewing angle with the stereoscopic screen, and extreme wobbling of the unit kills the 3D effect, as you would expect from a game supporting actual motion of the console.

One thing to be clear of here though is that, generally speaking, the sweet spot for the 3D effect is much larger than you would think. There is some occasional cross-talk (i.e. image data for one eye encroaching onto the other eye) but for the most part the effect is crystal clear and you won't have any problem enjoying the full effect.

Any kind of fast motion game using the sensors and gyroscope must surely be incompatible with the 3D screen, though, so the question is, why is the kit in there, and can it really be the case that Nintendo would allow non-3D titles to be released for the 3DS in order to best use the new sensors? Wouldn't this introduce a huge level of potential confusion for game buyers?

Another massive surprise in the 3DS package is the support for 3D movie playback. I had the chance to view two 3D trailers: Disney's Tangle and Dreamworks' How to Train Your Dragon. Oli pointed out that the 3D effect here is rather subtle, and so it is. There are two likely reasons for this. First of all, you're viewing the content off the back of playing video games which really exercise the full depth available. Secondly, these trailers were designed to be viewed on a honking great cinema screen, not a relatively tiny 3.5" screen!

After my first taste of 3DS, I was somewhat sceptical about how these movies would work on the screen. The game content has a lenticular look about it, with pixel edges fairly evident despite the seemingly high DPI of the screen. My fear was that you'd see the same edges on the movie content.

Thankfully I was proved completely wrong. Movies playback beautifully on the 3DS screen, and while the 3D effect is subtle, it only takes a short while to grow accustomed to it, and turning off the 3D functionality clearly impacts the image in a negative way. Just about the only criticism you can have is that the screen itself is very small at 3.5", so not exactly immersive for movie viewing.

Speaking of which, it is interesting to point out that the 3D depth slider doesn't work for movie playback, where you effectively get a choice of watching in either two or three dimensions with no tweaking of the latter. This effectively confirms that the 3D slider is computationally altering the twin in-game 3D cameras on the fly in actual 3DS software, and that the 2D mode most likely works simply by turning off the output to one eye and adjusting the cameras accordingly.

So, bearing in mind the relatively unfettered access we had to the kit for an extended period of time, were there any other points of interest we've not yet brought to the table? Not really, except for final confirmation that within the development community, the 3DS is indeed codenamed Nintendo CTR. That's what the debug game launcher code we spied on the development units said anyway.

In closing, it's fair to say that Nintendo rarely gets any love from Digital Foundry, and arguably that's something we need to look at (what other platform holder is so committed to 60FPS gameplay, for example?). With Nintendo 3DS, that is set to change, because the arrival of the new handheld is clearly a major event.

In many ways, this new device is classic Nintendo. It's clearly built to a cost and the chances are that the platform holder will be in profit on this unit from day one. Just like Nintendo DS in its day, the GPU is under-powered, but on the flipside this should help immeasurably in maintaining battery life. And again, just like classic Nintendo hardware, it has a concept that is way ahead of the competition. The 3D screen propels the visuals into a different league, it's that good.

The inclusion of stereo 3D is also a masterstroke from Nintendo because it differentiates the handheld in a savagely competitive environment. While iPhone may be hoovering up more market share in the mobile arena, constantly re-inventing itself year after year with new hardware and features, it doesn't do 3D and likely won't for years to come, if ever. Nintendo has a unique selling point and it's certain to be another monster hit.

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  • Shinetop #1 2 years ago

    But how does it work? How does the screen send different images to each eye?
  • KDR_11k #2 2 years ago

    The 3DS will also have the advantage of physical buttons over the iPhone but I don't see Nintendo trying to compete on price with Apple (since that would be massively damaging for their software business).
  • Redeye #3 2 years ago

    Sounds like an excellent piece of kit, and as long as Ninty price it right, they'll definitely have another money-raker on their hands. But one issue still remains - whilst the obvious answer is obvious, how will it really appear (and appeal) to people who don't have true stereoscopic vision? I myself have perfect vision in one eye, but the other is, for want of a better word, fucked. So, whilst I fully accept that I won't be able to truly enjoy the 3D immersive quality of the 3DS, will it still rock my socks if I switch it to flat 2D mode?

    I guess that the only way I'll be able to answer that will be to get my grubby paws on one for myself, but I'm just wondering if Rich has had the chance to question the powers-that-be about this state of affairs.
  • RobTheBuilder #4 2 years ago

    Shinetop: Did you ever see a screen on an airplane where you can only see the lcd when you are right in front of it? The sides are barriered off, sending the image in one direction. Now imagine half of those pixels directed one way, half the other, being directed by a barrier to each eye:

    O\\\\\\\\\\L
    O//////////R
    O\\\\\\\\\\L
    O//////////R

    So the left pixels are directed left, the right pixels right; there fore each eye sees a different image creating 3d. The barriers are doing what the glasses normally do in a cinema.
    Edited by 1 at 16/06/10 @ 11:04
  • ianegg #5 2 years ago

    Any chance we could get some cross-eye pair screenshots?
  • Shinetop #6 2 years ago

    @robthebuilder: How do the barriers know where each of my eyes is? Or is this why the sweet spot is so small?
  • ph0b0z #7 2 years ago

    How does it effect the resolution (800 vs. 400 pixels) if you turn off the 3D-effect?
  • CallousB #8 2 years ago

    One negative IMO..is that in some ways this system diminishes the use of the touchscreen...and in many ways goes back to traditional controls. Some core gamers may love that..but many of the mainstream may get frustrated.

    No longer will you be able to directly touch the main gameplay screen..instead the bottom screen will be used more like a mouse..while the main images stays on the screen above. It certainly won't seem as interactive as the likes of the original Nintendogs or Soul bubbles.

    As far as the 3D camera goes..it could have some interesting uses..3D augmented reality being one (I'm surprised Nintendogs + Cats hasn't used the augmented reality format to be honest)

    I would also assume that you'll see a photo printing service from someone..it should certainly be possible to create lenticular card photo's from your 3DS images.
    Edited by 2 at 16/06/10 @ 15:45
  • kratos-i-am #9 2 years ago

    Exactly my thought... The 3DS has carved it's own niche away from the iphone and to a lesser extent psps of this world! Feel sorry for Sony and MS now, how many rabbits can nintendo pull out if it's hat?
  • lucky_jim #10 2 years ago

    @Shinetop
    But how does it work? How does the screen send different images to each eye?

    It's magic, sorcery and witchcraft, witchcraft I tell you! Burn Nintendo at the stake! (But not until after I've got a 3DS).
  • JohnnyWashnGo #11 2 years ago

    Speaking of OpenGL ES 2.0 and programmable shaders - can anybody recommend a good tutorial for it?
    I am playing around with some ideas on Android at the moment and struggling to find good resources for learning OpenGL ES 2.0.
  • spekkeh #12 2 years ago

    God I want this thing. And I always bike to my work, so I know for a fact that it will collect dust like the GBASP did back then.
  • Nikanoru #13 2 years ago

    "As it's derived directly from the N64 title textures are of a low quality,"

    Someone doesn't remember what Starfox on the N64 looked like.
  • NimbusTLD #14 2 years ago

    No programmable shaders? Ah Nintendo Nintendo. When will you learn??
  • Dylbot #15 2 years ago

    @Nikanoru

    Exactly what I was thinking. From the stills, there's definitely a marked improvement in both model and texture quality over the N64 version. Get your act together, Leadbetter!
  • Zerobob #16 2 years ago

    All I want to know is how much they are. Roughly. Otherwise I'd love one of these!

    Shame though, as I probably wouldn't make use of a portable device on my 20 minute drive to and from the office every day :(
  • RobTheBuilder #17 2 years ago

    @Shinetop - Exactly, the sweet spot is where they exactly hit the eyes at the right point.
  • mingster #18 2 years ago

    God it sounds nice i want.
  • chrisola #19 2 years ago

    i hope you CAN use none 3d games with it -- i don't want to have to buy 2 DS's
  • secombe #20 2 years ago

    If the GPU within the Nintendo 3DS is less powerful than some might have hoped for

    Do these people really exist? Every really successful handheld ever made hasn't exactly been pushing the technological boundaries (visually speaking), it's not what handhelds are about. Battery life, packaging and robustness are all about 1000 times more important than shaders or whatever in the long term.
  • Dafub #21 2 years ago

    My gut tells me that if the PSP2 is out christmas 2011 or later it will have every feature The 3DS has and more raw power

    and as NimbusTLD says "No programmable shaders? Ah Nintendo Nintendo. When will you learn??"
  • beep #22 2 years ago

    Good on Ninty for not gimping the 3DS by throwing away good ol' fashioned, tactile buttons.
    I thought getting an iPad would be nice if I happened to have a large sum of money, but the 3DS is something I absolutely must have no matter what.

    Haven't wanted anything this much in years!
  • MoGamer2006 #23 2 years ago

    Newsflash in from our reporter Dafub: "Console released in far future will be more powerful than one released in near future."

    And there will be more on that story as it develops.

    This is Stating The Bleeding Obvious Channel. Now, over to Carol for the weather...
  • koopa #24 2 years ago

    While this technology isn't suitable for TVs, I wonder if it might be doable for PC monitors where you sit straight in front of them. They would just have to set the sweet spot to be between 0.5-1m...
    Edited by 1 at 16/06/10 @ 13:12
  • TonyHarrison #25 2 years ago

    Starfox looks the same as it did on N64 and is a letdown? Really? Might want to check these two images out.....

    N64: [link url=http://www.chronicgames.net/ images/games/nintendo%2064/lylat-wars-screenshot-002.jpg
    ]http://ww w.chronicgames.net/images/games...[/link]

    3DS: [link url=http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles //a/1/1/4/1/3/3/4/star.png
    ]http://im ages.eurogamer.net/assets/artic...[/link]

    There's a vastly noticeable improvement there.
  • wizlon #26 2 years ago

    I really want one of these, no matter the price. I just have to have one. Give me one NOW!! please.
  • RobTheBuilder #27 2 years ago

    Gameboy was 4 shades of grey and a 10 year old Spectrum processor VS Gamegear with colour LCD lit screen VS Lynx 4096 LCD colour lit screen

    4 shades of grey won then, this is nothing like as big a gap.

    Playing Burnout on PSP reminds me that actually 3DS looks as good or better; that really is good enough if it keeps the price and battery life decent.
  • Nuronv #28 2 years ago

    "No programmable shaders? Ah Nintendo Nintendo. When will you learn??"

    The only way to win the graphics arms race is not enter it
  • woodnotes #29 2 years ago

    Sounds so far ahead of anything else out there!

    Can't wait to experience the 3D for myself, but until I do I'm still a little sceptical, no matter what anybody says. It's that difficult to believe.
  • GamesConnoisseur #30 2 years ago

    3DS is the most exciting thing out of platform holders conference, by miles for me. My dislike of Nintendo's allowance of letting Wii get bogged down with waggles/shovelware is shared by many, but get it spot on with 3DS by keeping the right momentum going with the reasonably successful NDS/i.

    I considered NDS to be a better platform above Wii, in term of where it was most able to keep my interest as gamer. IPad and 3DS are both quite different and would serves my needs differently. Looking forward to 3DS and beyond that intrigued by what Dony ll do with PSP2? Would they retain developments with motion and 3D into PSP2?!
  • JJrabbit #31 2 years ago

    I've never owned a Nintendo console since the SNES, but this will be definitely be on my shopping list when it's released. It's frustrating hearing so much about it but not being able to experience it lol.
    Positive reviews + Nintendo's imagination when it comes to innovative games = win
  • TheApologist #32 2 years ago

    I feel like I have been waiting forever for a new Paper Mario and was losing hope of ever seeing it. Then one gets announced, and it is in crazy-witchcraft-no-glasses-3D?

    I am beginning to suspect that I have died and gone to heaven, but no-one has told me yet.
    Edited by 1 at 16/06/10 @ 14:01
  • sanctusmortis #33 2 years ago

    I look at the button layout and features, and can't help but think "that matches the Wii controller". Triggers for B and Z, face buttons for a, c, 1 and 2, select and start for - and +, a home button, analogue and d-pad, motion sensors...

    Perhaps that's why it has the motion controls and gyroscope?
  • cheekyjay #34 2 years ago

    The whole issue of original 3D designs Vs converted-from-2D software, raises a very interesting question about how Nintendo will handle backwards compatibility. The presence of a cartridge slot (albeit a bigger one) on the system, and the comments made about DSi compatibility (ie DSiWare games) suggests there's still some announcements to be made there.
  • MilkYMoO #35 2 years ago

    I can't wait for one. I always assumed the psp was nearly as powerful as a ps2.
  • Bagpuss #36 2 years ago

    Notice all the spare room around the top screen?....

    It's obvious Nintendo will release an updated version with a bigger screen at some point isnt it........

    Also, the first thing i said when i saw the Kid Icarus demo was..."they look like Dreamcast graphics".....

    How ace am i, can i have a job at DF....:))
    Edited by 1 at 16/06/10 @ 14:52
  • malexous #37 2 years ago

    It's obvious Nintendo will release an updated version with a bigger screen at some point isnt it........

    When the tech for the screen is cheaper to produce, maybe.
  • fizzyfish #38 2 years ago

    Does anyone know why the touchscreen isn't the same size/shape as the top screen, this time?

    The stereoscopic photography function is genius, not sure why we didn't see it coming. I can't wait to see the augmented reality applications... I expect a new Ghostwire is on the way.

    Being a Digital Foundry article, I was expecting a lot more about the technology and how the final implementation of the 3D works - but a great read nonetheless.
  • FooAtari #39 2 years ago

    My gut tells me that if the PSP2 is out christmas 2011 or later it will have every feature The 3DS has and more raw power

    Well you could say that about a lot of tech and you would spend your life waiting for the next big thing. Is there any indication the PSP2 is actually in development, never mind a release date? By Christmas 2011 the next big thing in handheld gaming could be coming in 2012 so better hold off on buying that PSP2...

    And anyway, the PSP is hardly a huge success story. Sure there are games still getting released, but not exactly flooding the shelves. I use mine more for emulation than anything else. The PSP is technically better than the DS but cost and battery life effectively put it out of the running. It seems a little silly to assume the PSP2 will outdo the 3DS. I mean sure, it MIGHT do, but past evidence shows Sony could get it wrong again. Could go either way, who knows.

    Basically, why miss out something good while waiting for something that might never be? Whats stopping you buying both? I would say a P2P2 even if successful is highly unlikely to kill off the 3DS, so your not going to loose out on anything buying one. Personally I would hope both a big success, better for us consumers.
  • JonFE #40 2 years ago

    3D porn at the palm of your hand!

    Joking aside, I cannot bloody wait to get this...
    Edited by 1 at 16/06/10 @ 15:50
  • spekkeh #41 2 years ago

    I think Sony hastily pulled the PSP2 and will be announcing a PS3DP in a couple of months time.
  • BobLoblaw #42 2 years ago

    "so no evidence of programmable pixel shaders or other state-of-the-art OpenGL ES 2.0 loveliness"

    I'm a little bewildered as to how anyone can say this after seeing MGS3 and Street Fighter -- which are quite visibly using normal mapping, self-shadowing, and other shader effects that look well in advance of anything I've seen on PS2 or Wii.
  • theonomous #43 2 years ago

    The 3DS Lite will be ready in perfect timing for my completion of SMT: Strange Journey. Can't wait!
  • koopa #44 2 years ago

    One unmentioned potentially great 3DS feature is the ability to really freak out old people on public transport, think Resi will do the trick...
  • Lunatic4ever #45 2 years ago

    18 CALL OF DUTY GAMES?

    WTF!?
  • Zaiz #46 2 years ago

    I hear something. Is it the sound of Sony freaking out and Microsoft being glad they never even tried to touch Nintendo in the handheld race? Apple's probably fine, but Apple is pulling a Wii with the IPhone, so kind of in its own running.

    Actually, that's a lie, the 3DS is an early adopter trap, since I'm definitely day one on this. That's a fucking lineup and half to launch a system with. Can we round it out with Halo 3, Half-Life 3 and an RTS from Relic? That's about all that's missing.
  • smelly #47 2 years ago

    "While this technology isn't suitable for TVs, I wonder if it might be doable for PC monitors where you sit straight in front of them"


    And such mointors have been available (which work exactly the same) since 2006... They even launched a laptop with it in.

  • Incarta #48 2 years ago

    I doubt very much all these games will be available at launch. But I still want one. It sounds great.
  • Senate #49 2 years ago

  • UKLL #50 2 years ago


    I don't think I've ever been this excited about a handheld, not just for the 3D but it actually looks like it has a bit of power behind it.

    http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=5D92S9unF88
  • Demiath #51 2 years ago

    I very rarely play handheld games, love my HD consoles and don't own a Wii...but I'm nonetheless super-excited about the 3DS. For one thing, the "3D Off" slider is Nintendo's nonchalant, laid-back and decidedly hardcore response to both Sony's disappointing attempts at introducing 3D merely for the sake of selling TV sets and Microsoft's technologically sound but philosophically confused forays into the "Wii Sports"/"Just Dance" demographics.

    Nintendo simply delivers the impressive hardware upgrade needed for next generation's handhelds and adds the latest fad ("3D";) as a semi-optional extra to sweeten the deal. That's the approach of a confident corporation with both feet firmly planted on the ground and an attentive ear pointed straight towards the grassrots...
    Edited by 1 at 16/06/10 @ 18:00
  • Scimarad #52 2 years ago

    This sounds an awful lot better than I was expecting. Really quite interested, despite my general dislike of handhelds...
  • smurphs #53 2 years ago

    Strangely, Starfox is the most exciting piece of software headed for the 3DS in my book. Pilotwings and Rogue Squadron too please.
  • freakzilla #54 2 years ago

    If they want this to become the greatest thing to hit gaming they need to put demos in shops like the 360 demo unit in gamestation etc, if I can confirm with my own eyes that the 3D is indeed awesome I will buy without hesitation.
  • augustofretes #55 2 years ago

    Ok, I think you're just plain wrong about the 3DS power.

    Nintendo 3DS needs to render the presented game twice, since it needs to send one image to each eye, meaning it's rendering two full 400 x 120 images. In other words, it needs to render alomost 50% more pixels than the PSP for example. And not only that, everything, effects, lights, shadows, main character model etc, has to be render twice...

    If it's showing images with a quality comparable to a Dreamcast or PS2, it obviously needs a lot more power to present those than, for example, a theoretical PS2 portable, since it needs to render two full images instead of 1.

    I'm just a little bit disappointed because, if anything, I will only see a 2D 400 x 120 image, while the other 50% will be just wasted, I would love to get a 3DS like-console with a normal 800 x 240 screen using all the GPU to increase graphical quality, but I understand Nintendo's point, and I'm sure most people will enjoy it (I only have vision in one eye).

    I was hoping for the PSP 2, but it seems Sony wants to push the, already dead, PSP... What a shame.
  • gjgjg #56 2 years ago

    want, but might wait for 3dsxli... in blue!

    edit: scratch,just seen the youtube clip, want now
    Edited by 1 at 17/06/10 @ 00:35
  • augustofretes #57 2 years ago

    Oh, btw, shaders are confirmed:

    "The 3DS is obviously more powerful than a DS. Some would say that it's as powerful as the Wii, but what does it equate to? Is it better than a GameCube?

    We haven't done a straight comparison test between the systems. This is obviously a portable system that you carry around, so we wonder how powerful it needs to be. We have shaders that people are able to take advantage of and create nicer looking graphics that we've never seen before on a handheld."

    Source: Miyamoto.
  • KillerMonkey #58 2 years ago

    "I'm just a little bit disappointed because, if anything, I will only see a 2D 400 x 120 image, while the other 50% will be just wasted, I would love to get a 3DS like-console with a normal 800 x 240 screen using all the GPU to increase graphical quality, but I understand Nintendo's point, and I'm sure most people will enjoy it (I only have vision in one eye)."

    Since the 3D slider is controlling the actual software, it might be possible that turning it off makes the renderer switch to "full resolution".

    Actually, now I'm thinking about it, the lenticulariness would probably get in the way of that. Maybe someone else can continue speculation.
  • augustofretes #59 2 years ago

    "Actually, now I'm thinking about it, the lenticulariness would probably get in the way of that. Maybe someone else can continue speculation."

    Exactly, the only thing the 2D mode does is sending the same image to both eyes, so I will just see a 400 x 240 image (I previously said 400x 120, my mistake, I divided both numbers by 2, which obviously isn't the case, each column of pixels is sending an image to either right or left eye, meaning the h resolution doesn't change, just the w one).

    PS: Oh, I'm actually wrong, if the 3DS uses Parallax barrier screens, it can truly switch to a full 2D mode.
    Edited by 1 at 18/06/10 @ 07:49
  • Rusty_M #60 2 years ago

    So does it work like a version of that screen that was in that Land Rover in Top Gear that one time. This screen would display a map for the driver whilst playing a DVD for the passenger. I imagine the 3DS uses the same technology but with shallower angles.
  • Joco84 #61 2 years ago

    Does anyone know how the inclusion of an analogue stick will affect left handed players like myself?

    I use the stylus in my left had and I worry that having the analogue stick will require me to start using the stylus in my right, which as any other left-handed can testify, is far from ideal.

    Any thoughts??