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Blood Bowl Review

PC Review by Dan Pearson

14 September, 2009

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Know what I hate? Elves. Maybe it's the fact that they remind me of the smug trustafarian hippies who plague Brighton's pubs and open spaces. Perhaps I'm jealous of their svelte, eternal youth and haughty attitude. Maybe it's because I'm basically a dwarf. Maybe it's because they just absolutely trounced me on the field, embarrassing my team of lumbering Orcs with their sublime grasp of the long-field passing game and elegant, darting runs and dodges.

I was doing pretty well up until then. A few games to get my head around the rules (Blood Bowl was one of the few branches of the Warhammer tree which I never scampered along in my youth) and I was playing relatively competently. The game's initially bewildering nature, compounded by a less-than-helpful tutorial, had been clarified – boiled down to a basic understanding of the blocking, tackling and risk-calculation which form the backbone of Blood Bowl's gameplay. It had gone from infuriating to fun in about half an hour. Unfortunately, my hands-down defeat by the prancing wood ninnies sent my petulantometer swinging wildly back the other way.

Blood Bowl is American Football at its core, with the more complex rules and frequent stoppages stripped out and replaced with brute violence and Games Workshop's stock fantasy races. Each race represents an accepted tactical approach to the real-life game - with Elves embodying a fluid, passing play-style, the Skaven personifying speed, Orcs the power game and so on. Focusing on these advantages and the weaknesses of your opposition is fundamental to success.

In the turn-based version of the game, coaches move each of their players around the field one by one, or make tackles and blocks against opposition members in adjacent grid squares. Each turn, one player can "blitz": both moving and tackling in one turn to offer a shock-tactic advantage. Almost every action requires a dice roll: moving through tackle zones, attempting a pass, trying to make a block. Failing a roll results in a "turnover", with play switching to the opposition.

'Blood Bowl' Screenshot 1

Star players like this Rat Ogre can be hired for one-off matches, costing a packet but occasionally turning the tide of a match.

Each match consists of 16 of these turns for each player, eight in each half. Wins are based on points from touchdowns, although the regularity of injuries, knock-outs and even fatalities means that grinding opponents into dust before strolling in a last-turn touchdown is a very valid tactic.

Building a basic strategy around the strengths of your team isn't hard to do, and settling on the Orcs as a tough, physical beginners' set-up, I pick up the ropes pretty quickly. I learn a few of the basic manoeuvres and terms early on, setting up "cages" for my ball-carrier by surrounding him with rugged blockers and blitzers and shuffling him toward the end zone. Switching up the formations at each kick-off to overload flanks or cripple key players serves me well too, although my trusty Greenskins find the more flamboyant or advanced tactics beyond them.

'Blood Bowl' Screenshot 2

A smug little hippy in full flow.

However, I soon start to find the AI wanting. Tactics are predictable and occasionally curiously inappropriate. Fragile teams will sometimes attempt to attempt to trade casualties with a physically superior side, and clumsy brutes will try and string together graceful runs and long passes. Annoyingly, this quite often works, with supposedly ham-fisted players pulling off feats of incredible agility and lean and lithe beanpoles felling blitzers three times their size. It all feels a bit random.

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Rirekon
14/09/09 @ 10:48
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9/10 for me, it loses that 1 point on it's failure of an online lobby system - highly recommended to anyone who loved/loves Blood Bowl
MrChuckles
14/09/09 @ 10:51
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I also give it 9/10. The whole point of a strategy in Blood Bowl is to minimuze those dodgy die rolls by putting them hugely in your favour (Rolling 2 or even 3 dice and using a reroll on uber important moments).

I'm guessing you don't like football games when a ball hits the keeper and sometimes it goes in, and sometimes it is saved? All based on stats and dice rolls, just in BB, you can affect them a bit more.

The AI is a bit easy for an expert though, and no LAN leagues is a bit pooey! (We want a tourney at lunch at work, but the firewall stops us playing on online leagues, grrr)
Gaol
14/09/09 @ 11:05
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Does this only do the 'newer' Blood Bowl?

My memory is hazy, but there was a really terrific BB game with a polystyrene board where the dice rolls were always throwing 2D6. It was replaced by a massively inferior game with 1D6 rolls, and immediate turnovers if the wrong face comes up.
shotgun44
14/09/09 @ 11:08
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Others reviews for this seem fairly positive. Not really my thing but it definitely looks interesting...
MrChuckles
14/09/09 @ 11:09
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It's coming out on Xbox live arcade later in the year...
mingster
14/09/09 @ 11:12
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Its out on PSP already as well
Magic Panda
14/09/09 @ 11:19
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A slightly poor review imho. Gets an 8 from me. Presentation could be an awful lot better.

If you are a Bloodbowl fan you're going to absolutely love it.
RabidChild
14/09/09 @ 11:26
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Any news on advancing players, setting up custom leagues, setting up custom players?
Snidesworth
14/09/09 @ 11:27
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Big Warhammer fan, but I'd never played Blood Bowl before this. I attribute most of my success to playing dwarfs (most players come with several useful skills) since the tutorial is really, really rudimentary. They need to explain the more common Skills like Dodge, Tackle, Sure Hands and so on rather than making the player examine each of them himself or go check the Living Rulebook. I also found that the extras they added for Blitz mode weren't all that grand. At the heart of it, though, the game allows me to reduce an entire team of ratmen to bloody smears on the astro-granite and trundle across the touchdown line with the ball and that's pretty awesome.
Rubarack
14/09/09 @ 11:27
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Best 6/10 ever but if you don't know the rules then it's almost entirely impenetrable.
mingster
14/09/09 @ 11:30
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EG: The Bring It On caption should go on the bottom screenshot with the cheerleaders.
Sorbicol
14/09/09 @ 11:30
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To be fair that's not a bad review from someone who'd never played the game before. Yes, it could do with a better tutorial and the multiplayer interface is hideous, but it's so much fun to play, especially online. 6/10 does seem a bit harsh though. Playing a league set up with your mates is soo much fun, and given the complexity of the game you'd need a full sentient AI to give a challenge in single player.

I agree the "randomness" in the game is neither random and immensely frustrating at times though. It's only bearable to suffer those 3 fumbled pick ups in a row and be 2-0 down with 3 players off injured 'cos you know you're going to lay waste to some team a few matches on.

Solid 8/10 for me - it does need a lot more polish mind, and as for those port issues when trying to play online. Argh!!!!!
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Obiwanshinobi
14/09/09 @ 11:48
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Chaos League, anyone? The commentary was ace.
TheJuriel
14/09/09 @ 11:55
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The game is great, but the online interface and community tools suck, and there's still bugs in how many skills work. Oh, and the AI really is rudimentary.

It's a great game if you like Blood Bowl (I would definitely rank it an 8/10), but there's a steep learning curve if you don't know the game beforehand, because the game's own tutorials are bad. You should get it for the multiplayer (and preferrably, play it with friends), not for the singleplayer.
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TSYNDMonkfish
14/09/09 @ 11:55
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6/10 seems very low to me - but each to their own & all that.

As above - if you played & enjoyed the original board game will love this game so much. The character levelling is very good - you can really specialise your squad to whatever type of game you want to play. Its a harsh world though, and its a right ballache when you star players get killed or permanently injured. One of the few gripes I have is that its almost impossible to replace players in experienced teams because the rewards given are just not high enough. This can make it very tough to get a multiplayer game if you have a good 'bashing' team like the Dwarfs or Chaos. Why risk your brilliant but very fragile Elves when you know there will be casualties you cant replace?

That aside though the game does game a good balancing system when teams of a different level play each other & I would say its still the best 1 v 1 multiplayer game I've played in a long long time.

Id give it a 9.
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Toothball
14/09/09 @ 12:15
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Blood Bowl was my entry point into the Warhammer world so I may check this out. My instincts tell me to hold out for the XBLA one, but I have a PC-owning friend who is quite keen to play this too.

Also I developed a deep loathing of Wood Elves during my league efforts. And most players should have a 66% chance of picking up the ball without any pressure, not 50%. Things like that you have to think about.
Skinme
14/09/09 @ 12:18
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This is definitely a game in need of 2 scores. One for the fans and one for the uninitiated. 6/10 is a fair score IMO (of course), simply because I am one of the "uninitiated", having never played a proper role playing board game like Blood Bowl before.

The tutorial is too simplistic, glossing over important components of the game and completely omitting others. This makes for a frustrating start to the game as winning becomes a game of trial and error rather than tactics due to the lack of information. This in turn makes for a very steep learning curve that may put new comers off.

I did really want to like this game as a few of my close friends are big Blood Bowl fans. To a certain extent I can see the argument for developing this game more in mind for veterans/fans of the board game, but surely that shouldn't be to the detriment of new players should it?
trebell
14/09/09 @ 12:22
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A solid 8/10 for me.

It takes some learning but you , with time, you'll find it becomes a lot less random if you stacl the deck in your favour, taking less risks, using good strategy and ensuring you have multiple dice rolls and re-rolls where needed.

It's definitely more fun against real people but is a solid game even in SP.
Machetazo
14/09/09 @ 12:27
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XBLA? There's no way they'll release the full thing there...Is there? What?! How would that even work? :( I'm not buying it other than on a retail disc, anyway.
mingster
14/09/09 @ 12:39
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There is a release date of 5th November for Xbox.
Whether this happens or not we shall see.
innokenti
14/09/09 @ 12:39
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I rather think that it's a fair review. One would expect it to be a game not just for fans and BB tabletop gamers... and really, unless you are familiar with the tabletop game, the video game version can only be mystifying and perplexing.

Fortunately I am familiar, but even then, most of the UI and general computerisation aspects of the game were just plain rubbish. Sure, the rules are just the living rulebook rules. 10/10 for directly porting rules already available. But where is everything else? The lobby system is rubbish, the UI and controls aren't too user-friendly, tutorials for beginners are useless and the general presentation (not to mention lack of teams) seems rather half-arsed.

10/10 for computerising the rules, 6/10 for making a game.
Rubarack
14/09/09 @ 12:45
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Having not played Blood Bowl for over a decade when I got this, I had a similar impression of the game at first. But it's bugging me more and more that statements such as

"Often though, it all feels a bit too unpredictable. As a control freak, if I set up a masterful strategy, meticulously planned and executed, I want to know why it fails and what I could have done about it. When the answer to that question is usually "bad luck", I start to feel a bit miffed."

made it in the review. Because in Blood Bowl strategies very rarely fail to bad luck but poor planning. Even if it is a common experience it seems bad form to blame the game for the players own failings. Yes Blood Bowl is difficult to master, and the tutorials exacerbate the situation. But it takes an awful lot of luck for a skilled player to lose to a lesser one and this situation simply will not occur frequently.
mcwildcard
14/09/09 @ 13:09
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M.U.D.S. > Everything else
PlugMonkey
14/09/09 @ 13:11
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I agree the "randomness" in the game is neither random and immensely frustrating at times though. It's only bearable to suffer those 3 fumbled pick ups in a row and be 2-0 down with 3 players off injured 'cos you know you're going to lay waste to some team a few matches on.

I haven't played it yet, but how is that not random? Sounds pretty random to me. If fumbling is 50:50 then three fumbles in a row would only be 1/8; a fairly common occurance.
ChaK
14/09/09 @ 13:12
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after 90+ matches on internet i'd give it a 8.5 with my own notation.

-1 because it might be hard for begginer to understand ruloes. I played with a friend of mine to start, it was much better.
-.5 because of crappy lobby.

And that's it. It's a very very entertaining game. giving 6 is super harsh to me, maybe it's because devs are french? oops
Shikasama
14/09/09 @ 13:14
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Because in Blood Bowl strategies very rarely fail to bad luck but poor planning. Even if it is a common experience it seems bad form to blame the game for the players own failings

Thats the point he is making though. The game doesn't make that clear enough. If the game doesn't present you with anything other than Roll Failed - You Lose, then a player is not going to put the time in to get better.

Civilization IV has EXACTLY the same problem with their probability based combat. Often you feel like the control is out of your hands, no matter how you equip your stack. At least there are other things to do in Civ, I'd hate to play a game that was solely based on such a system.
Shikasama
14/09/09 @ 13:15
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It is also worth pointing out that the people who have a problem with the review score are the same people he actually said in the review will like the game.
Moz
14/09/09 @ 13:21
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Chaos League anyone? The commentary was ace

Well give as it's made by the same people and Chaos League was a complete ripoff of Bloodbowl that got them sued big time the similarity is unsurprising
jonfon
14/09/09 @ 13:55
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"Its out on PSP already as well"

Is it now? Wow a new game for the PSP I'm actually interested in. Hurrah!
PlugMonkey
14/09/09 @ 14:06
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There's a DS version too apparently. Any word on how similar they are to the PC version?
Machetazo
14/09/09 @ 14:09
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Portable versions are top-down, turn-based only.
mumtoucher
14/09/09 @ 15:42
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Hmmmm 6/10.

I'd say at least an 8 the only reason its not a 9 is like everyone else, the lobby system absolutely sucks. This is soon to be addressed though, apparently an automatch / matchmaking system is on the cards, also 3 new playable races are due for release in the coming months!



Dukkha
14/09/09 @ 16:03
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As many others stated if you have played blood bowl before it's a great game.
MrChuckles
14/09/09 @ 17:06
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Oooh, 3 new races.. Undead please!
cagool
14/09/09 @ 17:11
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Losing your star player (that you have taken a whole season crafting) on the first turn is the hallmark of Bloodbowl. The way to deal with it is to ensure that you laugh loudly enough when it happens to your opponent that it balances the anguish.
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14/09/09 @ 19:43
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Thing is Blood Bowl makes it pretty clear why any roll passes or fails, the game has some interface issues that cloud matters a little but the clarity of results is way beyond any other turn based strategy title you will find on the PC. Once you've read the rulebook (and this is hardly a 400 page monster ala Civilisation, this is a game designed for 10 year olds after all) if you don't spot what you did wrong after a play failed then you've only yourself to blame, none of the information is hidden.

Saying that people who disagree are likely to people who like the game isn't really an excuse for making factual errors. I can see how someone could pick up the game and make these mistakes because it's unusual to have a game nowadays that requires you to read the manual or go through a learning curve. But really a reviewer ought to have read up and played the game enough to know something about the game he is reviewing, or at least refrain from commenting on areas he hasn't played enough to know anything about.
drchocapic
15/09/09 @ 07:34
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"I had too many teams decimated (many to the point where they could no longer field a full team at kick-off after a few matches), too many long-term investments wiped out in a single unlucky tackle, too many matches lost on a crucial, easy roll failed against the odds."

This line is pretty much like complaining that you can't pick up the ball with your hands in FIFA.
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Bucser
15/09/09 @ 09:30
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Have the Author tried the real-Time system or playing by the old rule book which are BOTH possible with the game?

Because i feel like you have only tried a third of the product not the whole...

edit: and of course my score is a no brainer 8/10 good fun (better than madden:))
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CalmBlueOcean
15/09/09 @ 19:05
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see I can't object too much to this review as an account of a new player, especially if they are trying to learn the rules from this game as its a fairly harsh master compared to a friend who can make allowances for a newb, let them take back moves and such forth.

I do think its worth saying that "its too random" is a common complaint amongst inexperienced (or just plain bad) players, one that tends to fade off as they get better. There is a lot that a good player will do to mitigate the effects of randomness and whilst you can't always prevent a run of bad luck from causing you problems, you can strongly minimise the damage it will do to your strategy and if your carefully laid plans don't allow for failure, then in Blood Bowl terms they are pretty bad plans. You KNOW that you are relying on chance so you make allowances for it. Don't try and pick the ball up without surrounding it with defenders as best you can first, leave the fighting until last unless its vital its done earlier, etc etc.

I guess overall the problem with a review like this one is that if you read the text its a fair enough review, but Metacritic won't read the review, it will just trash the games average, and that seems kinda unfair, despite the reviewers honest intentions.
HyperShadow
17/09/09 @ 22:50
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The one thing thats bugging me in this game is the dice rolls. I always seem to get the worst results, two dice for blocking, both attacker down, re roll, get attacker down and both down, try for an extra movement, fail immediately yet never see the CPU failing one. It's seems the CPU fails a dice roll as often as you pass one.

Which brings me to the next point, you never actually see what the roll you are trying to make is until after the event in the scrolling text, i'm sure I'd think twice about a movement if I actually knew what number the CPU was trying to roll for me.

The game is good, but very, very frustrating.

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