Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 Review
Title challenge.
Version tested: Xbox 360
Whether you've been playing Pro Evolution Soccer since the PSone - chipping your PS2 to play Japanese copies of Winning Eleven between annual instalments - or whether you've been playing FIFA since it was isometric and never set eyes on the competition, this latest instalment of PES is going to take a little getting used to.
Yes! It's finally happened. Konami has succumbed to all the bullying and ripped PES up to start again. The result - somehow manhandled to completion before its traditional October deadline - shares some of the same philosophical DNA as its predecessors, which is to say it's still very hard to create chances and convert them into goals, but it feels different both to past PES games and FIFA's alternative.
In a year that's seen EA Canada tooting its own vuvuzela about improvements in passing, PES 2011 also makes great strides in moving the ball around. Impressive pace, a sensible passing power bar, a flexible fully-manual passing modifier and devilish through-balls keep the action just below the redline at all times, occasionally reaching a Barcelona-esque crescendo as everything clicks. The actual PES football is a bit of a beach ball, but its behaviour is consistent and slots nicely into the passing system Konami has rebuilt, heightening the excitement and tension with its sharp acceleration and abrupt deceleration.
Team data is nowhere near up to date (Mascherano is still at Liverpool, for example) but presumably will be patched soon.
Control is also tight and responsive with some nice new touches, like being able to pre-program your own sequences of feints to map to a particular button combo, but all the same you never feel too comfortable in possession. Defenders can slide in successfully from a surprising distance and press attackers quickly in the final third so their progress is halted, even if they're not completely dispossessed.
All these things in concert mean that you are not going to score from outside the box more than once in a blue moon, and you won't be able to dance and pirouette from the edge of the penalty area to the six-yard box either. But conversely it's still easy and rewarding to move the ball around and slot through-balls between defenders. In contrast with FIFA 11, where chances and one-off spectaculars are also few, PES 2011 is fast, fun and attack-minded despite the fact you never end up with a Leeds vs. Preston scoreline.
Wrapped around all this is a much-improved graphics engine. Players mostly resemble their real-life counterparts, albeit with waxwork facial expressions, and their movement, animations and interactions during tackles and skirmishes in the box are more convincing than before.
I probably spend more time on this screen than I do in matches some days.
While much of the last PES outing suggested the series was broken and did need fixing, that wasn't true everywhere, so some elements of that game have been inherited wholesale - the free-kick system being a good example. Team Style also survives the cull. One of the better additions to the series since it entered its decline, it lets you customise the way your AI colleagues behave in various scenarios and allows you to turn a game on its head with the right tweaks.
In fact, you'll probably spend a lot of time playing around on the Game Plan screen with formations, player positions and other instructions. The menus may be a little archaic, but the way PES is structured off the pitch is still superior to the competition - and official Europa League and Champions League licences are still welcome.
Master League remains the highlight though. It's still a carefully balanced mixture of fantasy football transfer dealings and long-term player development that will happily absorb hour after hour of single-player play, although playing against the AI is inevitably a lot less fun than battling a clued-up human opponent. The new online version sees you earning money from matches won, which you can invest in a transfer market where prices reflect demand from your fellow players, building your squad of nobodies up over time and graduating to higher divisions to play against opponents with similarly long-term vision.
With only a year to rebuild an institution, of course, there are still a lot of areas where Konami has work to do. Refereeing is inconsistent - you will appear to win the ball in a lot of tackles only for the ref to pipe up and give a foul the other way - and while the attacking style of play is engaging, it is frustrating to watch so many defenders ignoring a ball running slowly past them until it reaches the attacker running onto it, especially as this is a problem FIFA has now ostensibly eradicated on the other side of the football-game divide.
Perhaps most frustrating though is that shot after shot bounces back off the keeper or flies wide when the goal is gaping and you're manifestly directing your shot on target. The animation doesn't help in these situations either - the difference between what results in a fierce shot on target and a looping no-hoper that wafts away to the corner flag is too hard to gauge. It feels as though Konami built the free-flowing passing system first and then ratcheted up the difficulty of actually scoring to compensate for the imbalance it created.
1/10 When you first start the game it asks for your assist and cursor settings, then showers the screen in rainbows.
Animation blending also feels like it's a few generations behind the norm, with players firing shots and long passes out of their feet at a visually incongruous pace, or changing the trajectory of a ball with a header despite running the wrong way and facing an impossible direction. Sometimes they even head the ball when it clearly makes no contact with them in replays - of which the game is guilty of displaying too many, perhaps obsessed with its divisive motion-blur effect.
There are also quirks galore. At one point a ball was cleared out to the touchline and a midfielder responded by bicycle-kicking it in the direction of the penalty area, where another player immediately bicycle-kicked it over the bar. Elsewhere, defenders often run the ball out of play when they should have no difficulty keeping it in, while the pivoting in-game camera is likely to divide opinion. At least Jon Champion and Jim Beglin's commentary is still reliably hilarious. Champion will reduce you to tears as he screams "Possibility!!" or says "Guess who!!" for no discernible reason.
Nevertheless, while FIFA 11 may be the better, more polished and controllable simulation of football, in many respects PES 2011 is the more charismatic of the two games. If you're only interested in the finished article then you might want to wait another year for further progress, but in the meantime PES fans can hold their heads high, and fans of the beautiful game are on the road to being spoiled for choice again in light of this encouraging instalment.
PES 2011 is released on the 8th of October for PC, PS3, Wii and Xbox 360.
7 / 10
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Well, I was hoping for a '10', but being realistic and all...
I'll still pick this up. I just can't do FIFA.
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But, next year? Who knows..
Looks like fun!
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What about Be a Legend?
What is the AI like in handling different match situations? Is it entirely predictable?
Did they fix Master League online compared to the beta?
What in fact is Master League online like, at all?
...if you're a fan of football game reviews, it might be better to wait until next year when Tom next puts pen to paper and attempts to avoid answering as many of the relevant questions as possible.
6/10
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Of course, it remains to be seen how that will work with the lesser lights of the game, because I can't see it being as enjoyable attempting to do that with a team like Blackpool (unless they've gone for the FIFA system of every player can play inch perfect passes, even third division centre backs).
There was enough of a 'new' feeling to warrant a purchase at some point (not now, maybe in a month or two), and I just didn't get that feeling from the FIFA demo at all...
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Pes is very good but a 7 score is far IMO
It's something Konami can now build upon and aim for 8/9 scores next year.
Fifa 11 is class and deserves a 9 ATM. Few bugs/crashing issues stop it being a 10...for now
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How so - you just turn OFF the ASSISTED passing and suddenly...
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Also, part of me was actually pleased to read about the strange quirks. Even the heady days of PES 5 reduced me and my mates to tears with some of the hilarious bugs and holes. Ridiculous overhead kicks (or players kicking the ball into the air against their own face, knocking themselves over, which is a personal favorite) are long term parts of PES' soul.
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And also no mention of online play, which has been phenomenally broken in PES for every iteration on the PS3/360.
Bah!
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In the Fifa 11 review, he marked down Fifa because they fixed the many bugs in the gameplay like the chips, half way line goals etc
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Shame that single player is really shallow and online (maybe correctly) is given all the attention imo
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@Power_n_Glory: No he didn't mark it down for fixing the bugs at all.
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It was used as a negative. He said something along the lines about the bugs giving the game its own personality or some rubbish. It was a negative.
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I think somebody already picked up that Tom missed out other features that PES2011 has in store. Apart from Master League, hows the multiplayer side of stuff been like? Has that improved? What's the kit editing like Tom? How about the creation of Stadiums too? Copa Libertadores?
I shall still get both FIFA (PS3) and PES (360) but I've found Eurogamer's reviews of FIFA and PES sorely lacking in comparison to other gaming websites. They both needed more detail, but that's just my opinion.
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The gameplay is the let down and I can't come back to this.
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Even if the two games played just as strongly as each other these days, I'd still plump for FIFA despite my nostalgia for those heady days on PS2. Because, you know, it's nice not having to spend 2 months trying to work out the names of clubs and players in the teams. One memorable favourite of mine was 'Arc Hugo,' a Left-centre back in North East United side of a few years back. It literally must've been April until I realised that he was Aaron Hughes. Arc Hugo!? Hilarious.
Ok, maybe I take it back, the shoddy licensing in PES does have it's moments...
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I hope PES gets to the point where it's better than FIFA again though, I miss the Classic Holland team!
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Aren't there option files and mods to fix that up? Always used to be on PS2 versions.
Don't know if it would work on consoles but on PC I'd always add kits with sponsors and fan chants and stuff, so it always ended up much more realistic than FIFA anyway.
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Err all the names are correct and have been for years all that needs editing are kits and team names.
At least EA have not forced Konami to stop making a challenger like they did with 2K's NHL and NFL games.
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Yeah, the mods did exist, but I must confess that I didn't really understand how to make the transfer to the PS2 back then, and they were never as good as the real deal. Kit sponsors had to be made of two stickers placed together, limiting the number you could include in the game. Plus, you'd have to be really super-lucky to find a mod for, say, Oxford United, or Notts County. FIFA comes with it all these days. I dunno, if I can play the game as I like out of the box, or have to read instruction manuals and download this to here and find a flash drive for that there, I know which I prefer.
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Is that a quirk? As a long-suffering Hammer, this feels all too realistic.
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Anyways, will be first in line when it comes out.
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This. Drives. Me. Nuts.
I know it's due to the new defensive control system, but the question remains why Konami had to change something which has been established for nearly a decade and needn't be fixed in the first place? They'd better put that effort into the animations and the ball physics.
Very level-headed and fair review, btw, especially given that Tom used to be a PES fanboy back in the days.
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The major problems for me with 2011 is that keepers sometimes dive in an odd manner as though they have lead boots. They also seem to concede some very weak shots on target particularly from free kicks. Crossing is another bug bear where every time I cross the ball, I connect with a team-mate around 7 or 8 times out of 10; far to frequently.
Three things in my opinion I'd like to see in future PES':
.Trigger player runs (without removing players individuality)
.The jostling system from Fifa when the balls in the air
.The flick right stick move when recieving a pass; also from Fifa.
I do find you have to be bolder in your passing than in Fifa, you need to be confident in that the ball will reach it's intended target.
It's nice to see the opposition AI utilise all the pitch and pass around the back occasionally and there's a real sense of ebb and flow in a game. Although I'm not sure if Konami have tempered the likes of Messi a bit too much, in the 2010 demo he was incredibly difficult to defend against, now not so much.
Also I'd like to mention the atmosphere of the games. I don't know whether it's the colour palette or the lighting, but PES matches feel more 'alive' whereas Fifa comes across as sterile.
All in all I'd say it's a vast improvement over past games but by no means the finished article and between this or Fifa I'll plump for PES this year particularly as I'm more interested in a challenging single player career / master league mode.
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It's called "playing something much more appealing to me", actually.
But if that's being "kooky" to some people, it's not nibbling at my sleep.
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Sounds pretty realistic to me.
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The PS3 demo certainly feels better than a 7/10 gaming experience when I play, but I guess we all see the beautiful game from a different perspective and want to play the game differently.
I always like to make minimal tactical changes and rely on Konami's meticulous scouting and player adjustments; maybe just ship out the odd player to the bench that I don't rate (or don't like) and hope my passing/attacking game dynamical shapes my team to allow me to win.
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For me, this year's Fifa is a bit heavy and hard, but i know i'll get to manage it. PES... i just don't get it, seems old after a few years playing FiFA with all its complexity.
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The look and feel of the game is a lot better than last year but still seems to be a very inconsistent, blotchy kind of game which I'm not sure I would enjoy all that much (if the demo is properly reflective of the released game).
Edit: I guess that means I don't like "quirky" games?
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If you worked in football game development, I suspect you'd be copying PES's innovation; not FIFA's, and that is how it has been internally for almost all football development studios since ISS Pro released on Playstation and showed us something very special.
Yes, the versions of PES since 2007 on 360/PS3/PC felt like sloppy ports at times, with little evolution, but the DNA of PES's is so good, that to call any of those games garbage just sounds wrong.
Fifa has now become a good football game with the coveted license, having been a sliding tackle slog fest meets track and field for the most of the ps1/ps2 years. But I seriously doubt that Fifa team believe their current game is better than PES 2011 when they discuss PES professionally in development meetings.
Selling a game is a war of public perception; which Fifa has been winning in recent years. But making or refining a good (football) game requires unbiased analysis and brutal honesty in contrast to competing products, and that is why FIFA has been closing the gap in recent years imo.
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ok, done. Now what?
Anything else you would like to tell us to remember?
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My mate and I who have been playing all afternoon have managed to pull off some of the best screaming goals we ever have after only a couple of hours play. Some of these simply would not be possible in Fifa. SOme may say thats bad, but from a fun point of view it is entertaining and that is what I was looking for this year. So colour me very pleased with my purchase and change over this year.
HOWEVER - it has been laggier than long laggy laggy thing all afternoon which has been pissing us off no end! If Fifa has proven the last years you can have totally seemless online play in a football game there is no excuse for PES this year. Hopefully they can sort this out asap then I will be even happier than I am now with my decision to change.
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I have since found a good channel on yourtube with tips. Sure is weird but at least I know now!
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Anyone else had hurrendous lag on it? My net is 10 meg, my mates is 20, we have been Fifa men for the last 4 years with seemless play, no lag at all (Xbox 360) yet playing this today has had terrible lag for probably 50-70% of the games no matter which server I chose to go on. We both re set out routers etc. Its a nightmare. Anyone got any suggestions? Is this normal for PES? This is not meand to flame any Fifa better than PES argument - I just need help or advice as im not used to this after Fifa has run so smoothly for us. Thank you.
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* Correct team names
* Correct team squads including starting line-ups and formations
* Correct team strips - home, away & goalkeepers
* Correct player names & numbers
* Correct competition & stadium names
* Player transfers up-to-date as of Summer 2011 transfer window
* This option file Update will work with online modes of PES 2011