Xbox 360 vs. PS3 Face-Off: Round 13

By Richard Leadbetter Published 29 July, 2008

UT3, Bourne Conspiracy, Top Spin 3, Iron Man, Battlefield: BC.

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Our groins suitably girded, we return once more to the great cross-platform console development debate with the latest in our ongoing face-off comparison coverage. As if you didn't know by now, the aim here is to supplement existing Eurogamer reviews with console-specific commentary, backed up with a range of 'assets' losslessly extracted from the hardware during our testing.

This is achieved with the now ubiquitous Digital Foundry TrueHD capture kit, the only equipment in the world capable of ruthlessly plundering the HDMI ports of the respective consoles at full 24-bit RGB precision. Literally every single piece of digital information pumped out by the hardware is ours - ours I tell you - and from there we can supply ultimate quality screenshots and comparison videos.

Flash's support for h.264 combined with Eurogamer TV technology allows for video comparisons that actually work, with as much detail retained as possible. One pixel in the video is one pixel on your HDTV, and we've manfully done our best to sync up the two versions of each game to provide the best comparison coverage.

There's a beautiful range of games to pick over this time around, including two Unreal Engine efforts, one of the best sports titles of recent times and the latest example of hardcore Nordic technical mastery.

Commence au festivale!

Previous Face-Offs

  • Round One (Ridge Racer 6/Ridge Racer 7, Def Jam: Icon, Fight Night Round 3, Virtua Tennis 3, NBA Homecourt, Need for Speed Carbon)
  • Round Two (Call of Duty 3, F.E.A.R., Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2007, World Championship Snooker 2007, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Enchanted Arms, Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII)
  • Round Three (Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Sonic the Hedgehog, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Tony Hawk Project 8)
  • Round Four (The Darkness, Spider-Man 3: The Game, The Godfather, Madden NFL '08, NHL '08)
  • Round Five (Virtua Fighter 5, SKATE, Transformers: The Game, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Colin McRae: DiRT, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, SEGA Rally, FIFA 08)
  • Round Six (Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, NBA Live 08, Need for Speed ProStreet, Stuntman Ignition, WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2008, The Simpsons Game, Conan, Assassin's Creed)
  • Round Seven (Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, TimeShift, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2, Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock, Blazing Angels: Secret Missions of WWII, Medal of Honor: Airborne, Dynasty Warriors: Gundam, Bladestorm: The Hundred Years' War, LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Clive Barker's Jericho, John Woo Presents Stranglehold)
  • Round Eight (Burnout Paradise, Cars Mater-National, The Golden Compass, Beowulf, Ratatouille)
  • Round Nine (Devil May Cry 4, The Club, Pro Evolution Soccer 2008, FIFA Street 3, Juiced 2, Turok)
  • Round Ten (Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Blacksite: Area 51, Army of Two, Conflict: Denied Ops, Lost Planet: Extreme Condition, Dynasty Warriors 6, Lost: The Video Game)
  • Round Eleven (NFL Tour, Dark Sector, Soldier of Fortune: Payback, SEGA Superstars Tennis, MX vs. ATV Untamed, Turning Point: Fall of Liberty, Condemned 2: Bloodshot, Viking: Battle for Asgard)
  • Round Twelve (Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, Race Driver: GRID, LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures, Overlord: Raising Hell, UEFA Euro 2008)
  • Bonus Round: The Orange Box
  • Bonus Round: Grand Theft Auto IV
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  • the_dudefather #1 4 years ago

    "only really relevant at all if you're staring straight down at the ground"

    Sums up most 360 vs ps3 game comparisons

  • Bitkari #2 4 years ago

    Aww...

    I thought for a moment this was about a Spy vs Spy game.

    :'(

  • DFawkes #3 4 years ago

    I'll get in early - I haven't played any of these games on both machines so my opinion is invalid, and my post here is pointless. I still actually enjoy Iron Man though.

  • Widge #4 4 years ago

    Hm, DICE seem to have bothered trying to make a game that works to the PS3 architecture, which is nice... plus bodes well for Mirrors Edge.
    Why on earth is Rafael Nadal not in Top Spin 3 on the 360?! Its not like he was some fringe player.

  • mingster #5 4 years ago

    Damn i used to love spyvspy 2 player split screen on the C64... setting traps on doors etc.. that was a game way ahead of its time.

  • skillian #6 4 years ago

    I always feel like I missed out on Spy vs. Spy. I remember playing as a kid and not having a clue what I was supposed to do, despite persevering for a whiole because the box art was so cool. It was only a few years later I discovered that it was known as a classic.

  • SBfistfun #7 4 years ago

    Yay. Barely mention multi player in the Bad Company review "because it was covered in the preview" and now bring up all the bad points in the comparison after I've bought it!

    GRRRRRRRRRRR!!



  • zuljin #8 4 years ago

    See? See what you've done now? Now I'm tempted to buy Iron man the game... And I'm blaming EG.

  • robg #9 4 years ago

    "only really relevant at all if you're staring straight down at the ground"

    Sums up most 360 vs ps3 game comparisons

    Well, they generally say that when they think it's relevant. But not when there are actual differences.

  • some1 #10 4 years ago

    These articles are the biggest pile of steaming shit.

  • Carlo #11 4 years ago

    6 pages of stuff no-one gives a shit about any more.

    Well, except the brand fanboys.

    LOL

  • Widge #12 4 years ago

    12 posts in and still sanity in force. We're doing well this time!

  • Slim #13 4 years ago

    Come on Eurogamer, give this drivel up eh?

  • Moz #14 4 years ago

    Hummm not sure where every one get's these lag ideas from in Bad Company 90% of the time there's no noticeable lag, i've only had 2 or 3 laggy games, definately had more lag problems in Halo 3.

    On another note I compair the demo of BF:BC and thought the PS3 version looked more grainy then the 360 version.

  • rudedudejude #15 4 years ago

    Forget the crappy comparisions, where's the Spy vs Spy remake?!?

  • MasterNameless #16 4 years ago

    @Carlo

    I don't know why I bother, as people like yourself will always say the exact same old shit everytime there is one of these comparisons, but it's probably the exact opposite of your theory.

    The people that actually seem to be more interested are those who own both consoles and want to know which is the slightly - in most cases - better version to purchase, like myself. Although, there are very few multiplatform games that I actually want, personally, but I do find them very useful every now and again.

    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 14:42

  • TONYgr #17 4 years ago

    NOTHING NEW HERE.

  • jonsaan #18 4 years ago

    Don't forget to bitch about installs on PS3 in every comparison.

    oh...

  • stepneg #19 4 years ago

    @mingster

    "Damn i used to love spyvspy 2 player split screen on the C64... setting traps on doors etc.. that was a game way ahead of its time."

    Me two, when I saw the picture I thought it was linking to a remake for XBLA or something, you can imagine my disappointment when it was another of these comparison threads. Did we really need another one I'm sure everyone knows that the 360 always comes out on top?

  • #20 4 years ago

    Yawn...

    I would love an up todate spy V spy game.

  • Carlo #21 4 years ago

    Masternameless "I don't know why I bother"

    Neither do we. It's just a fanboy baiting shitstiring article to generate hits.

    And as for people deciding which version to buy, again it's fuck all to do with articles like this. It's ALL to do with:

    Price
    Online capability (or lack of)
    Release date.
    Tiny graphical variations no-one can see with the naked eye and require heavy-weight HDMI scanning equipment just to find.

    Usually, in that order.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 14:59

  • justsomeone #22 4 years ago

    The people that actually seem to be more interested are those who own both consoles and want to know which is the slightly - in most cases - better version to purchase, like myself. Although, there are very few multiplatform games that I actually want, personally, but I do find them very useful every now and again.

    masternameless, i too am of the opinion that these articles are pointless in the extreme, and as you pointed out in your post (tho i suspect unintentionally), the articles are of genuine use to such a tiny minority that even this tenuous reason for their existence is clearly unjustifiable.

    EG, stop with these idiot articles. no one in their right mind cares, and those that do clearly have a piece missing from theirs. if you want to do something useful, try putting your wasted efforts into multiplatform reviews of games where there is a genuine difference (such as wii or PC releases). PC reviews of stuff like alone in the dark, for example, would be much more interesting than this nob-measuring drivel.

  • DFawkes #23 4 years ago

    That and the Spy Vs Spy loving.

  • Darren #24 4 years ago

    Having played Top Spin 3 on the PS3 and 360, I've noticed that there's no Mall option during the Career mode in the former so if you want to customise your player's appearance you have to quit out of the game and use the Player Area's Mall option instead from the main menu. Not a game killer by any means but it is odd that the PS3 version is missing this. Also game saving times are frustratingly longer than the 360 version, not so annoying during the Career mode, but it can be teeth-grindingly annoying when you're purchasing outfits in the Mall as it takes 5-10 seconds to save between each item compared with 1-2 seconds on the 360 version.

    Oh and UTIII on the 360 has significantly less screen tearing than the PS3 version but I suppose that's a result of optimisation to the game engine since the latter version was released last December?

    Nicely written, well researched article though, EG, but as usual it comes a bit too late for it to be of any real use for us multiformat gamers. That said, it's a pretty safe bet to opt for the 360 version if you're unsure which one to buy as 99% of the time it's the best one, even if graphically the only advantage is that it has some anti-aliasing! ;)

  • sizusizu #25 4 years ago

    Editorial like this is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Honestly do we really need another 360 vs PS3 comparison article? No. Its tired, boring, and ultimately pointless.

  • Arwin #26 4 years ago

    Hmm, I see some serious potential for a physics based spy vs spy ... imagine the possibilities of combining PAIN like physics with the trap-setting gameplay of the old Spy-vs-Spy games! You could mount spikes to the ceiling, place a mine under ground, and then 'poof! slice!' ... Heck, you could even use PAIN like scoring system - see what kind of combos you can create ..

    Yes, a mix of spy-vs-spy, PAIN and LBP, could be even better! :p

  • LeD #27 4 years ago

    Another resounding defeat for the PS3! When will PS3 owners admit they have the inferior machine? I can't take much more of this pasting, it's like watching Mike Tyson battering Stephen Hawking after pulling him out of his wheelchair and dumping him on the floor, crushing his soft skull under his boots of steel. Please make it stop!

  • Aretak #28 4 years ago

    The PS3 version of Top Spin 3 really does look awful.

  • Darren #29 4 years ago

    "I also like the way that it offers an optional installation of game data - useful for 40GB PS3 owners with limited disk space. Obviously I get through more releases than most (and therefore have far more installs than the average gamer) but having to delete game data on my 60GB unit just to be able to load a new title is becoming a chore."

    Can't you claim the cost of a replacement 320 GB HDD as a work expense since you obviously need it for your job? ;)

  • seasidebaz #30 4 years ago

    it's like watching Mike Tyson battering Stephen Hawking

    No, I'd say it's more like trying to compare different versions of Rise of the Robots.

    These face-offs have boiled down to comparing 2 shit games to see which is less shit. I feel so sorry for Mr Leadbetter, who has to endure this tripe on both consoles. It would have made me quit gaming by now.

  • LeD #31 4 years ago

    Ah, the elusive exclusive. This is waiting.

  • monkie_king #32 4 years ago

    Feel free to stop reading and go away, then.

  • Darren #33 4 years ago

    Aretak - "The PS3 version of Top Spin 3 really does look awful."

    If you believe that then I can only assume that you also think the 360 looks awful, only less so. ;)

    Having played both games a lot, they seem almost identical unless you compare them side by side like EG have. The 360 version looks less jaggy, although that's not to say it doesn't have any nasty aliasing here and there, and the contrast is deeper and colours less washed out. I can't say I noticed the difference in the texture quality or the lack of reflections but the screenshots clearly show that they're inferior/missing in the PS3 version.

    I think it's fair to say that both games look good but the 360 looks better but that's true of 98% of multiformat games available on both formats.

  • johnnybrn #34 4 years ago

    Zero_Cool,

    'If Eurogamer was a magazine, i'd have stopped buying it 90 issues ago!'

    Big difference is you would be paying for the magazine whereas this is free.

  • convercide #35 4 years ago

    With regards to the Unreal 3 comparison...

    "So basically this is a game well worthy of its 8/10 score on both consoles."

    Tom gave the PS3 version 9/10.

    The PC and XBox 360 versions got 8/10 each.

    Also, I'm a 360 owner and from the comparison shots the PS3 version looks more detailed to me.

    EDIT: Well it did in the stills but yeah, I see the vid now.

    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 15:24

  • Andee #36 4 years ago

    The screenshots bit doesn't seem to be working right, as the popup comparisons shots dont change for me when clicking the ps3 or 360 buttons. And that ad banner seems to get in the way of fullscreen images.

  • Widge #37 4 years ago

    In summary then, bugger all difference...
    Apart from if you live on forums then its massive.

  • miiiguel #38 4 years ago

    @Zero_Cool:
    that bitter taste, innit?
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 15:28

  • SeesThroughAll #39 4 years ago

    Oh bloody hell, LeD.
    Why do you always have to ignite them so much?? :p

  • Widge #40 4 years ago

    In fairness, the article actually gave DICE credit for crafting an engine that was not just going to be a bog standard port, and as a result, the port was joy. As I said, with Mirrors Edge seeming to be a bit of a poster boy/girl for gaming future, its all good news!

  • SeesThroughAll #41 4 years ago

    Mirror's Edge was being demoed on both versions at E3, so at least those guys kept both versions identical.

  • Stoatboy #42 4 years ago

    re: "This wont change until engines are built from the ground up to support the Cell properly. "

    How will we know when it's changed if Eurogamer don't keep writing comparison articles though?


    I love these articles. Anything that gets people who should have much better things to care about riled is always amusing. :)

  • CunningLinguist #43 4 years ago

    "in the light of recent events at London SW1: Rafael Nadal only appears in the PS3 version of Top Spin 3."

    Surely you meant to say SW 19. *wink*

  • Mashum #44 4 years ago


    I like these pieces - it's good to have some evidence based comparison.

  • Darren #45 4 years ago

    @Stoatboy - +1

    I can't help that feeling that the people complaining about these articles are disgruntled PS3 owners who are fed up of seeing their console's multiformat games being proven to be inferior compared with a rival format that came out a year earlier. Let's face it Xbox 360-only and multiplatform owners of both aren't going to be the ones complaining nor are people who might be sat on the fence deciding which console to buy. When you consider that the majority of games released on ANY console tend to be multiformat, the quality can be a bigger decider on which one to buy if you can only afford one.

  • prolific8 #46 4 years ago

    13-0. You can throw in the towel any time you like.

  • LeD #47 4 years ago

    It's fair to say the 360 uses the PS3 as bog roll on a daily basis.

  • Widge #48 4 years ago

    lol@prolific8's posting history

  • Widge #49 4 years ago

    CLOSET FAN

  • Stoatboy #50 4 years ago

    @blig_merk:

    They don't review both versions of multiplatform games.


    And I don't support any platform. That's a silly thing to do.

    I do own a 360 and a PS3 though (and a PC, an Xbox, a PS2, a PS1, a PSP, a GC, a DS, a GBA, a Dreamcast, a GP32, a GP2X, a Neo Geo Pocket Colour, a PDA, and I've still got an Amiga 4000 kicking around, if that makes any difference). :D

    Supporting a specific console manufacturer is like only buying books from one publisher. Daft. Really really daft.

  • mkreku #51 4 years ago

    Why can't all console games support keyboard/mouse? That's the main reason why I still don't like console games as much as PC games..

  • Widge #52 4 years ago

    I don't support anyone per se, but I don't want to have 3 machines under my TV this gen.

  • BOFH_UK #53 4 years ago

    Why does everyone seem to think these articles are only of interest to a) Fanboys and b) people who own both consoles when there's a third, potentially much more important category?

    Those that own NEITHER console but are trying to decide between the two.

    Yes, there are other factors (do you want to pay extra for the Blu Ray capabilities of the PS3, which exclusives are important to you, what the on-line services are like etc) but as less and less games are platform-specific these days knowing which console runs games you may be interested better as well as the scale and scope of those differences, can play a big role in the buying process.

  • des #54 4 years ago

    Only fanboys are annoyed by these articles,if you don't like them don't read them...

  • Darren #55 4 years ago

    Widge - "I don't support anyone per se, but I don't want to have 3 machines under my TV this gen."

    Then don't... use these articles plus reviews of each console's exclusives games to decide which platform(s) best suits your needs. ;)

  • Darren #56 4 years ago

    @blig_merk - While I agree with you that judging a console on its multiformat games only isn't ideal since they rarely push the hardware, you're overlooking the fact that (a) not all multiformat games are sub-standard tat like Iron Man; and (b) that multiformat games vastly outnumber the exclusive ones so they can be a deciding factor on which platform to buy if you can only afford one and want to play lots of great games.

  • #57 4 years ago

    only 67 comments? Seems peeps arent all that interested in this crap anymore, maybe?

  • DanWhitehead #58 4 years ago

    It's real simple: Review one copy, then at the end, highlight the differences to the reader for the other versions.

    That would require publishers to send out review copies on both formats, which they almost never do.

  • snick #59 4 years ago

    @Adam_T here's the remake http://ww w.eurogamer.net/article.php?art...

  • NorfolkNClue #60 4 years ago

    I like these articles. I've got both units, and it's interesting to me - at least they're trying to do an adequate comparison. Even if I'll rarely buy a game anymore, as they mostly seem formulaic and lacklustre. I'm still playing COD4 on 360 and warhawk and tekken 5 on PS3 though. All good fun for different reasons. They don't come close to the mindless fun and team tactics that TF2 on the PC can offer though, or the intense heart pounding gameplay that Company of Heroes provides. It's a different buzz.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 17:09

  • DDevil #61 4 years ago

    I LIKE THESE ARTICLES AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THEM.

    No, really. I find them interesting.

  • septimus #62 4 years ago

    Meh. Only game that wasn't shit and it looks as good on PS3 as it does on 360. Time to give this up. The rest are crap and not worth talking about (including Bad Company which I made the mistake of buying.... dull ass game).

  • justsomeone #63 4 years ago

    Then don't... use these articles plus reviews of each console's exclusives games to decide which platform(s) best suits your needs. ;)

    anyone using these kinds of articles to decide which console to get is a complete and utter plonker. if you're a graphics whore, and you're that bothered, get a PC with 300 quids worth of GFX card and stop thinking about consoles, otherwise grow up and make your purchase based on functionality, user interface and exclusives.

  • assache #64 4 years ago

    As a 360 owner, I do find some of these types of articles useful. I personally have been waiting to see some evidence of games developers taking cross platform comparatives, on next gen consoles, seriously. If this is anything to go by, it bodes well for the future and more importantly it sounds as though third party the developers are starting to get it right with the PS3.

  • GamesConnoisseur #65 4 years ago

    Truth will out...

    .. already been out since after the first four rounds!! By then already killed the myth dead that PS3 was 10 times more powerful or so, as was repeatingly referred to by numbers of Sony faithful fans (just go back to old comments posted) and see that no one is daring to repeat the cheeky 'assertations'.

    I do agree that as multi platform games take a great proportion of the game releases and they would matters to those who can only afford one console. But it is also really more about what Exclusives you MOST want to play and the other features such as ability to view BD movies on your brand new HDTV.

    BD is as repeatingly said by other wiser heads, both a millstone in term of access time/installation and an advantage in where PS3 is being seen as an essential 'basic HD Home Theatre start up kit'.

    I suspect that a good proportion of gamers here have all consoles and do favour games on X360 and BD on PS3, and enjoy the exclusives on both!

    Previously I railed against the need to have another head to head, but sometimes you do need to repeat the comparasions for the truth to hit home. The difference is in majority only barely noticeable but I have to say that jaggies and longer access time do bother me and break the immersion. These factors encouraged me to get X360 over PS3 version, BUT will never want to give up PS3 due to exclusives such as MSG4, LBP and BD movies.

    Leaving aside the other factors I raised above re exclusives and BD, who can now DARE to deny that the advantages in multi platform gaming actually lies with X360 AFTER 13 or so rounds?

    /Prays that people are better than the tired old craps of excuses such as 'Aircraft noises' and the 'RROD lol'!

  • Diomedes #66 4 years ago

    Its curious how EG always forget to mention you have to pay for online play on the 360 while on the PS3 you get it for free....

    Thats way more important that their lame " I looked into the ground of the third stage with all my hight tech gadgets to have a 10X zoom and saw a slighty better texture on the 360 game!" crap.

    And thats when they dont just invent some things to make the 360 look better.

    But who cares?After all its EG ,the stupids that gave MGS4 an 8 and lost all their gaming predicament because of that.

  • MiY4MOTO #67 4 years ago

    As someone who owns both consoles I actually find these articles very interesting, as do a lot of people I guess... Judging from the number of comments these threads tend to get. Bitching on here, posting comments & giving the pages extra hits is hardly likely to discourage them from publishing such articles.

    If you hate them so much, the best way to 'voice' your opinion would be to avoid the article & it's comment thread entirely.

    I own all three current gen consoles, and to be honest these articles simply re-affirm my buying strategy of;

    Get the decent exclusives of on either console as you see fit, & pick up the multi-platform titles on the 360.

    Hence why my ratio of 360 / PS3 titles is over 15 - 1.

    But should that ever deviate from the truth, at least from articles such as this, I'll be informed of when I should pick up another title for my PS3.

    Besides, these comment threads can make for an interesting read.

    Tho I do tire of fanboy fighting & people bitching that Eurogamer is 360 fansite because they only gave MGS4 an 8 yadda yadda yadda....

    If Eurogamer has gone down hill so much then why are you here reading it & posting comments?
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 19:19

  • Darren #68 4 years ago

    @justsomeone - Thanks for pretty much repeating in your last sentence what I'd already said. These articles do comment on other things besides graphics and performance you know! For example, the UT3 section mentions the PS3's mods and ability to use a keyboard and mouse... aren't they this 'functionality' you speak of? ;)

    If people are not interested in reading how games compare on each format then I have to ask why they're even reading this article or commenting in this thread in the first place! It's clearly written for the benefit of people who ARE interested, not as bait to get "fan boys" arguing among themselves as some people have suggested (although that seems to be what happens anyway with the more immature ones but that's the internet for you; it attracts all the dregs of life!). Shame that they're not included as part of the original review where they'd be more useful but the conclusion seems to pretty much be buy the 360 version if you can anyway! That said, it's interesting to find out which developers are clearly putting an effort into PS3 games to ensure they're as good as the 360 versions, e.g. Infinity Ward, Criterion and DICE.

  • jonsaan #69 4 years ago

    These threads are losing their fire. I reckon we'll see two more of these (face offs) tops.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 19:22

  • Darren #70 4 years ago

    GamesConnoisseur - "I suspect that a good proportion of gamers here have all consoles and do favour games on X360 and BD on PS3, and enjoy the exclusives on both!"

    Well I agree with that as I'm one of those people you mention! :)

    The fact is that the Xbox 360 has been out longer, is an easier platform to develop for and has a larger selection of quality games than the PS3 so naturally that has become my main gaming platform and I really don't see this ever changing unless multiformat games suddenly become better than their 360 equivalents. I'm sure other multiplatform owners will say the same thing for their preferred console as you tend to buy multiformat titles mostly for one system for a number of reasons whether it's controller preference, online functionality, technical quality, whatever.

    I enjoy using my PS3, in some ways it's better than the 360, i.e. it's a better home entertainment hub in that it plays both SD and HD discs, but IMO it still has some way to go to best the 360 as a games platform.

  • Stoatboy #71 4 years ago

    re: "These threads are losing their fire. I reckon we'll see two more of these (face offs) tops."


    What and stop before the developer's have finally got to grips with the awesome power of the cell? :o

  • APHIZM #72 4 years ago

    What I find a little sad is the "13-0" score keepers. As a PS3 and 360 owner, do I 'win' anything, or 'lose' anything when a game is marginally better on one format when scrutinised under a microscope?

  • juuken #73 4 years ago

    What a gay ass comparison. Eurogaymer stoops down low yet again to compare two shitty games and declare the 360 the winner.

  • captain-future #74 4 years ago

    Can somebody summarize the article in a x vs. y values sentence?

    I'm lazy.

  • Rash' #75 4 years ago

    Darren, I'm not sure I agree that the quality of the third party games governs purchasing decisions. If anything it's the type of exclusives. I don't believe the lay consumer has the time to look into which has the better quality games. He/she would rather look at the type of games that most appeal to his/her tastes and go with that. Wii is a fine example. The quality of it's games are mediocre and yet consumers buy it because it suits their tastes. To the mainstream, quality is a luxury few have the time for.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 20:23

  • wingzerosys #76 4 years ago

    No matter how many Face Off's they do, 360 will win.

    What do you expect from 360 fanboy's.

    I predict Gear's 2 will get a 9 or 10.

    I only bother with Comment's, threads and gaming news, Euro360Gamer suck's.

    P.S

    I own both systems and I find out which version is better from a non fanboyist site.

    Next Face Off: SC4, 360 is better because of Yoda and everything.

    Fuck You, both are identical except for an exclusive character.

  • wingzerosys #77 4 years ago

    @Stoutboy.

    Greedy much?

  • GamesConnoisseur #78 4 years ago

    Darren: "I enjoy using my PS3, in some ways it's better than the 360, i.e. it's a better home entertainment hub in that it plays both SD and HD discs, but IMO it still has some way to go to best the 360 as a games platform.

    Aye, PS3 is a great home entertainment device, wife and I regularly watches BD movies via PS3. X360 is enjoyed more as a dedicated gaming machine, and PS3 come a sure second with its exclusive, MSG4 a higlight of the PS3 gaming 2008 so far. Whilst the Wii is mianly great just for the young kids and for when family play together!

    So can I live without any of em? Nope but the proof so far is that the X360 as a dedicated gaming machine is a good bet and holds it own head high in that regard!

  • juuken #79 4 years ago

    Titus, that's not the damn point, first of all.

    Second of all, what are these stupid comparison videos trying to prove? You're basically comparing three crappy games (except for Unreal Tournament) just for the sake of seeing which console is the best? How about Eurogaymer comparing exclusives for a change? I'm sure that if they compared 360 exclusives with PS3 exclusives...the 360 would fail miserably.

  • cyber_nicco #80 4 years ago

    Wow, what an unfortunate soul not to know the goodness that is the new Battlefield. I'm having more fun with Battlefield:BC than I've had in online multiplayer in a while. Yes, there's a lack of modes, but the core is a ton of fun. The weapons and vehicles and support stuff is all great.

    He almost makes it sound like a bad game....
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 21:36

  • Buran #81 4 years ago

    About UT III: "So basically this is a game well worthy of its 8/10 score on both consoles."


    NO. UT III was scored "9" in PS3 and still deserves it. Is the best and most reactive and skilled based fps in PS3. I only play it online, only with keyboard and mouse, and the fights in my 46" PZ85 Panny plasma are utterly awesome. I don't care a lot about the mod features and character customizations -both excluvives in PS3 version-, but the control is THE KEY. I can beat the bots in Masterfull with k+m but I have struggle to defeat the A.I. in Skilled playing with a pad.

    So UT III version is clearly better in PS3. Is not about being hardcore; is as simple as if you disable the "only pad" swich and go into a k+m match y will probably be rap3d.

  • des #82 4 years ago

    "Next Face Off: SC4, 360 is better because of Yoda and everything.

    Fuck You, both are identical except for an exclusive character."

    Actually it looks like 360 is rendering at 1280x960 and PS3 at 1280x720 so they are not identical hehe

  • wingzerosys #83 4 years ago

    Face Off's: 13.

    360's overall score: 13.

    Ps3's overall score: 0.

    This proves that Eurogaymer are 360 fanboy's.

    Im sorry but some multiplat games are identical, I find out which version is better before I buy it and I also compare the demo's.

    I've got different multiplat games on both systems, yes I may prefer the ps3, but atleast I admit some multiplat games (GTA IV) are better on the 360 and some (DMC 4, SC4) are better on the ps3.

    13-0 is fcking ridiculous, I'd say the score should be 8-5.

  • wingzerosys #84 4 years ago

    @des

    another fanboy Ignored.

    Ign said in their review that both are identical, except for the exclusive character.

  • des #85 4 years ago

    More like Ignorant and there are no exclusive(maybe timed lol) characters only DLC(say thanks to Namco).

  • cyber_nicco #86 4 years ago

    You know, some of these I find interesting, some not so much. Depends on the selection of games. However, I have noticed how much less liked these are by some ever since it became apparent that the 360 "wins" the vast majority of the time.

    I'm not saying there's a connection, but it makes me wonder...

  • peterfll #87 4 years ago

    Hello.

    For as long as so called respected developers push out properly good games (e.g. Codemasters \ GRID) and one version plays smoothly on my TV and the other version splutters and tears like a muthafuka and I have the choice of which version I choose to buy as I own both consoles I will look to these sorts of articles and this site to provide me with guidance with what I perceive as a genuinely non-biased view and if that upsets single platform holders or pseudo web-jorno wannabes and frustrated bloggers who can't understand my point of view and bleat "bad journalism! boo! bad EG! you link-clicking hit whores" than SO BE IT.

    Sorry, I couldn't be bothered with punctuation, it could have been worse I COULD HAVE WRITTEN IT IN UPPERCASE SHOUTING WORDS.

  • hokuto_no_rob #88 4 years ago

    PS3 Topspin looks awful. No reflective surfaces at all.

  • LeD #89 4 years ago

    Can we all agree that the PS3, while a great all round entertainment hub, is pretty crap as a game console and that its only saving grace is its multimedia capabilities, and put these arguments to rest?

    There is only one decent game system out there, it's called a 360.

  • ronuds #90 4 years ago

    lol

    People claim these articles are stupid, but will sit in here and argue every decent point until they're blue in the face. Some people find these articles useful and some don't. If your opinion is the latter, why the hell are you in here but to be a fanboy to the bitter end which will defend your console at all costs? I mean, if the comparisons and conclusions are so insignificant, why do you even care enough to argue over it?

  • bad09 #91 4 years ago

    careful ronuds you may be getting to close to the truth there ;)

    Late in I know but I found this one useful if only to help me choose a platform for Bourne. Wasn't really to fussed which platform TBH just the cheapest, you know, with it being a bit average. I now know it needs an install (sigh) so will go for 360, thanks EG.

  • Ryze #92 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    Will you just FUCK OFF!

    These comparisons are an ideal way to help me decide when to get a PS3. Once these reviews start tipping in the PS3's favour more often (if they ever do), and once enough PS3 exclusives that I'm interested in are released and given high review scores across several sites (not just IGN), I'll bite.

    I'm also waiting for:

    PS2 BC (smooth upscaled)
    Dual Shock 3 as standard (2 if the price remains scandalous)
    Decent size HDD and/or faster Blu-Ray drive speed for installs
    Cross game messaging, invites and friends lists

    While the games are inferior, I don't need the console!

    Go away and give up!

  • juuken #93 4 years ago

    Titus, you're a fucking idiot.

    I was being sarcastic there. Hell, if they're gonna compare multi-platforms, then they might as well compare exclusives!

    This site fails.

    And look at the little 360 fanatics gloating over the comparison videos. Every one of you make me sick to my stomach.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 23:50

  • JonFE #94 4 years ago

    @blig_merk:
    Whether these features provide you or anyone else valuable information is irrelevant. EG believe they are useful to their readership and invest their time and funds towards them. Can you actually prove them wrong (and, no, personal opinion is not proof)?

    Also, regarding your points (1), (3) & (4):

    1. Not everyone purchases games on release. In most occasions it is not wise to do so, because if you wait a bit and shop around you will eventually get everything cheaper (unless they are on Nintendo's consoles, but that's besides the point :), so these features could indeed become handy.

    3. Your 'minimal differences' comment may be true for the later face-offs, however there have been significant differences spotted on the earlier ones (to name a few: Virtua Tennis 3, F.E.A.R., Splinter Cell: Double Agent, NFL/NHL '08, Virtua Fighter 5, Skate, Assassin's Creed, Race Driver: GRID and of course Half Life 2 versus Oblivion, Colin McRae: DiRT, Overlord).

    4. Is there a huge difference between these face-offs (that deal with lots of games at a time) and lots of smaller reviews (one per each game)? At least the face-offs do not clutter the site and are easily avoided, if you're that way inclined. Besides people might get confused seeing another review of a previously-reviewed game appear out of the blue.

    Of course, it would be best to state differences between formats in the original review and be done with it, but as Dan Whitehead says, publishers rarely send review copies on all formats (I wonder why is that), so EG can choose to ignore the differences (providing a "de-service" in the process) or publish them and be accused of bias.

    @Ryze:
    Are you sure that swearing will help you get your point across? We may all be entitled to our opinions, but we can choose not to be offending...

  • BLAUcopter #95 4 years ago

    WOW the SDF is in force in here. Personally as an owner of both consoles, I like to see which one fares better so I know which one to buy.

    Keep it up Eurogamer, don't listen to the fanbots!

  • Stoatboy #96 4 years ago

    re: "And look at the little 360 fanatics gloating over the comparison videos. Every one of you make me sick to my stomach. "

    You seem to have a real problem. Here's Dr Stoatboy's advice:

    Things that matter in life: Being happy, being fulfilled, enjoying life, companionship, love, art, beauty, truth.

    Things that don't: Caring one iota what anybody else thinks about a video that shows that one sinister global mega-corporation's device for playing games on may be better than that of another sinster global mega-corporation's machine.


    That's wrong on so many levels. Caring about complete stranger's opinions is wrong for starters. Caring about devices manufactured by sinister global megacorporations is wrong. Caring about complete stranger's opinions about devices manufactured by sinister global megacorporations is grossly, stupidly, massively wrong.

  • Asundai #97 4 years ago

    These articles are useful to anyone who owns both consoles. Sure, you can just read game reviews but these days most sites seem to do one review for both versions and offer little more than a sentence or two to sum up the difference.

  • smelly #98 4 years ago

    I like these comparisions.. it makes fanboys whine and cry like it really makes a difference about anything...

  • SeesThroughAll #99 4 years ago

    @ Ryze:
    I'm also waiting for:

    PS2 BC (smooth upscaled)     Got this since launch.

    Dual Shock 3 as standard (2 if the price remains scandalous) My Jap DS3 was cheaper than an euro sixaxis, thanks to Play-Asia.

    Decent size HDD and/or faster Blu-Ray drive speed for installs The HDD can be upgraded more cheapily than on the 360, and mine started as a 60GB to begin with.

    Cross game messaging, invites and friends lists At least cross-game text messaging works fine (which already made a huge difference in my experience), and as such one can think of cross-game invites as "not automatic". It stills works, you just need to manually switch game once you receive the invitation.

    Of course, I might have missed your point, which is that you might simply refuse to get one regardless. But that's your choice, I respect it.

    EDIT: Fixed the wording.
    Edited by 2 at 30/07/08 @ 01:37

  • Ryze #100 4 years ago

    @JonFE

    Fuck off ;)

  • Ryze #101 4 years ago

    @SeesThroughAll

    Fu... I'm not talking about, or interested in what you've got (for £425), am I?

    Plus I've got a 120Gb drive in my 360 which was bundled, and is only approaching half full (XBLA, tonnes of demos & trailers). No mandatory installs, just efficient, transparent background caching to improve performance, with complete installs as an option in a few months.

    Anyway, YAWN! I don't need a PS3 for the next year or 2, for the reasons stated. Get as mad / bitter as you want, but hundreds of thousands (+ more) of gamers are echoing my opinions across the globe.

    I have 1 PS3 owning friend with a 37" 1080p, who is a movie watcher who plays Pro Evo & the odd other game. He prefers GTA IV on my 360. I prefer riding M0t0rb1k35 using his SIXAXIS.

    I'm sorted for the next 18 months - 2 years.

    /waits...

    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 01:46

  • SeesThroughAll #102 4 years ago

    @ Ryze:

    I'm not mad or bitter at all, mate. And it cost me substantially less than 425 pounds, because I didn't get mine in UK :)

  • Ryze #103 4 years ago

    Good call! I should have grabbed a Jap 60Gb myself! Only prob is that my UK PS2 library wouldn't have worked.

    Has anyone 'fixed' this in any way yet? :D

    When I get my PS3 it will be when I'm after a ton of Blu-Rays at a good price, when God of War III & Shadow of the / Ico 3 is out, and when it's either £199 or cheaper or when the feature list is put back to how it was in 2006.

    I'll love playing my PS2 games upscaled with wireless & rumble, plus my Blu-Rays and a select list of PS3 exclusives. The sheer number of PS2 games that I have and still want to play (they look ugly on my HD panel - even in prog scan), means that if the PS3 upscales and smooths then I'll use it as much as my 360, even though I'll buy next to NO cross platform games for it unless they're too big to fit on a single DVD.

    PS3: This is... why I'm better off waiting (till 2010).
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 02:02

  • JonFE #104 4 years ago

    @Ryze:
    Should have seen that coming a mile away ;)

  • Darren #105 4 years ago

    Rash' - "Darren, I'm not sure I agree that the quality of the third party games governs purchasing decisions. If anything it's the type of exclusives."

    Well I'm not saying that they're the main reason, just that when you consider how many multiformat games ANY console has compared with the exclusives, they vastly outnumber them so they are a big part of the equation... at least for me. Looking at the 100+ Xbox 360 games I have now, about 80% of them are multiformat so if I could only keep one console, it would be the Xbox 360 for a number of reasons but mostly that it has more good games and the quality tends to be higher than the competition (including the Wii by the way, which I also own).

    In comparison I own around 18 PS3 games, most of which are exclusives with only 3 multiformat titles, those which where either available first on the PS3 (UTIII) or those I thought were as good as or better than the 360 version (Devil May Cry 4, Burnout Paradise).

    Of course, as a multiplatform gamer, I know that one platform will become my main one and that I will buy significantly less for the others, simply because of these multiformat releases.

  • Darren #106 4 years ago

    des - "Next Face Off: SC4, 360 is better because of Yoda and everything.

    Fuck You, both are identical except for an exclusive character."

    Actually it looks like 360 is rendering at 1280x960 and PS3 at 1280x720 so they are not identical hehe

    From the looks of the framebuffer grab screenshots posted on the Beyond3D forum the PS3 version appears to lack anti-aliasing too but that's no surprise given that it's a weakness with other multiformat games too. I have the 360 version ordered anyway (should be sent out today hopefully) but I really wanted Darth Vader as a playable character.

    The reviews I've read thus far seem to make out that the PS3 version has the slight edge due to the (thankfully) optional 2.9 GB HDD install which speeds up loading times but once the 360 gets the autumn dashboard update, its owners should be able to install the game to their HDDs too. Which is nice. :)

  • LeD #107 4 years ago

    I don't understand why PS3 owners get so riled up by these face-offs, I mean it's not like the PS3 is rubbish or anything. It's not a distant second, and it's a nice little machine in its own right
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 09:38

  • KayJay #108 4 years ago

    I take these articles and their comments threads for what they are. A pretty good way to increase my ignore list.

    The amount of people who jump on and think that these differing minor details (either way), that EG clearly have to take a lot of time to find make any difference to the game on the whole are crazy.

    I appreciate the odd drooped frame, pop up and tear or whatever can frustrate some, but all games have it in some form so stop pissing and moaning and get on with enjoying your game.

  • stepneg #109 4 years ago

    @Blig

    "Methinks the only people who are arguing for the articles are those that continue to need ammunition to bash the Ps3 over and over and over and over again. "

    The simple fact is Blig the only people getting upset about these articles are PS3 fanboys like yourself that cannot stand to see their beloved media hub take a another reaming from the superior 360. I will get a PS3 when they are value for money for me and at the moment they are not, these comparisons just confirm that reasoning. You can keep banging your drum as long as you like your not convincing anyone.

  • Widge #110 4 years ago

    mmmm the "vastly" superior 360

  • Widge #111 4 years ago

    (where "vastly" is defined as "slightly";)

  • LeD #112 4 years ago

    Well the PS3 was touted as being vastly superior to the 360, so it's kind of ironic seeing the 360 holding the PS3 at arm's length for two years running now. Where is all that untapped power? In the arse of every gullible PS3 owner, that's where... I hope you guys lubed properly before having it rammed from Sony, to the tune of whatever is the going rate these days.

  • warbo #113 4 years ago

    I like the new setup.

    I noticed UT3 PS3 doesn't get that weird AA effect seen in the 360 images (and in Gears of War); where some edges appear have 2xAA.
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 10:13

  • Widge #114 4 years ago

    I have just ordered a 360 and Top Spin 3 for a vastly superior gaming experience

  • speedjack #115 4 years ago

    Interesting stuff.

    I think we've now established once and for all that PS3 loses out in 90% of all cross platform development ?

    Thing is, if you're not really into the technical side of things then you'll probably never notice and spend the rest of your life blissfully unaware... and best of luck to them I say !

    Still... I just love the number of people that comment here and say how pointless these things are (mainly bitter PS3 owners ?) but obvioulsy DO care... or they wouldn't be reading the comments section in a specialist gaming site, would they ?

    Can't wait to see what happens when Final Fantasy comes out.

  • bad09 #116 4 years ago

    "Bad09, seriously, you need a 6 page article to help you choose wether to buy the Ps3 or 360 version of Bourne? It's a 5 out of 10 game for Christ sakes!"

    blig_merk, I find insulting people in these pages to be both infantile and pointless (also most are decent bunch of good sane people), but you utter, utter pathetic fanboy twat!

    No I didn't need a 6 page article, I glanced at the games in the comparison and saw a game I haven't picked up yet but interested in. If through your bitter blinded eyes you actually read my post you would see I said I cared not of platform just price as, indeed as you say, as it is a 5/10 game. After reading the comparison I (in my OWN consumer decision making) decided to forget PS3 version 'cos of the install (gotta get a bigger drive Siren killed my 40gb) and get the cheapest 360 version I can.

    I normally won't put anyone on ignore, mighty Headbog was on there once but I took him off as at least he was humorous, but you sir are in for your constant rambling (not debating) at anyone who DARE speak ill of Sony, good day.

  • stepneg #117 4 years ago

    @Blig

    "All the while people like you make derogatory comments like emboldened above, all the more reason I have to argue the opposite."

    I bet theres a lot of people out there that really appreciate your efforts but maybe you should take some time away from defending the PS3 for a while, do something normal like kiss a girl?

    We all know how you feel about your PS3 blig but there is such a thing as too much love...

  • mingster #118 4 years ago

    I actually like these face off articles and find them interesting...
    even though i don't own either console.
    The comments section is always a good read as well..
    please don't stop doing face offs.

  • Ryze #119 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    So, so bitter we are today.

    I'll tell you what I'm bitter about:

    - Disc read errors on PS2 since late 2004 - Sony wouldn't fix this unless I paid them.

    - PS3 losing features almost monthly since 2005 - where's dual HDMI? New fangled controller (Dual shock requires hand claws to reach L2/R2 - causes aching)? 10 times faster than 360? 256Mb RAM is pathetic, as is the Blu-Ray data transfer rate and seek time.

    - Pathetic online showing on PS2, PSP & STILL on PS3 - amongst the same reasons I didn't get a Dreamcast or Gamecube. Played them plenty, but didn't need my own.

    - Lying to the media to make stupid people (like you) believe that the console is some kind of technology god to be worshipped. Creating cretins like you, headbog, Apologie, Swam, Rash', banfoi etc who keep popping up to pollute theses sites with nonsense and ridiculous fanboy rants.

    - Backpeddaling on Backwards compatibility - losing me as a customer even further, while the console price remained at £425!!! Are they fucking kidding?

    - Making the PSP & PS3 movie players in priority over being games consoles. I already have a DVD movie player. Cost me £30 from Asda. I don't need another until my TV goets bigger than 40". In the meantime,there's a fucking firesale on HD DVDs. £5 each! Players costing £25!!

    - PSP favouring style over function. Hand aching device launched with clicky buttons, a broken D-Pad (broke all 2D fighting games), and missing controls (broke all FPSs and 3PSs). Idiots! But they still try to sell me movie UMDs - without any TV-out to watch them on any other device or display. FUCK OFF.

    Sony generally being shite at software and services, and designing cool technology without paying enough attention to the application of this technology and to the software and services that it should run. PSN, Sony Music Store, Singstar, PSP, Home and the constanly delayed PS3 games due to memory and bus bandwidth issues keep emphasising this!

    The opposite of M$, and only 1 half of Apple.

    Teh fail. I'll be back when the software companies get round to bailing them out, and the hardware drops in price.

  • SeesThroughAll #120 4 years ago

    @ blig_merk:

    Did you stop to consider that these "trolls" are just pulling your leg?

  • monkie_king #121 4 years ago

    @Ryze: " Creating cretins like you, headbog, Apologie, Swam, Rash', banfoi ..."

    Nice, you just named three of blig's own previous aliases there ;)

    It's like the Scientologists - there are actually fewer PS3 fanboys than you think.

  • bad09 #122 4 years ago

    @ Ryze

    You make a lot of sense there but lay off the PSP dude, it's a great piece of portable kit and remote play is f*****g seriously cool! ;)

  • Ryze #123 4 years ago

    I love my PSP!

    It's just broken, that all. My analogue nub just packed in as well. Any advice?

  • bitesize #124 4 years ago

    So you can continue to bash the Ps3 unchallenged, like most of the idiots on here that think it is oh-so-clever to use ignore in these circumstances.

    a bit of a tip: people aren't putting you on ignore cos they think it's clever, or to 'win' an argument - it's cos coversing with you is a wholely frustrating excercise. anyone makes a point and you just write it off as a 'biased view' or 'old argument'. ryze just gave you a list of perfectly valid points as to why he doesn't want a ps3 and you come back with "list of tired old excuses and exaggerated criticisms of Sony" - no, FOR HIM they are valid reasons. bad09 gives you a perfectly valid reason why he found the article useful and you come back with "Obviously you are very, very small minded, and chose to see what you want to" - no, FOR HIM it was a useful article.

    it's impossible to converse with someone like you, who just won't listen to anyone else's viewpoint, and finds it necessary to write off any opposing opinion as the ravings of an XBOT. therefore the only sane option is to ignore...

  • bad09 #125 4 years ago

    @ Ryze

    You can replace the analogue I think, you can do it yourself by getting one off Ebay if I remember correctly

    I use Custom firmware and accidentally (rather stupidly TBH) bricked mine a while back so I to have no PSP :(

    Still not all bad news, getting a nice new slim for my birthday in a few months \o/

    Until then, I've nicked my girlfriends ;)

  • Rash' #126 4 years ago

    Ryze, It's easy to be smug when things are going your way. I find it interesting that of all the things MS gloat about in their press events never do they get into the tech debate. Why is that I wonder?

  • Ryze #127 4 years ago

    You forgot Kyron - and no we're not the same person.

    I don't blindly support the 360 for 1.

    I've consistently said they need to :

    Quieten teh console from the aircaft noise of the early models' fans and DVD drive @ 12x - done

    Increase the size of the HDD - done 120Gb Elite & 60Gb premium on the way

    Include a Blu-Ray drive - hopefully by the end of the year.

    Allow HDD installs optionally. Happening in a couple of months.

    Make the console cooler and more reliable - my Falcon BenQ Elite is wonderful! No RRoDs here!

    Fix the d-pad. still waiting...

    Address the fact that many don't like to play twin analogue stick FPSs - 360 motion pointing device is in prototype at M$ This is a fact, as I've inside info straight from a games tester working at M$.

    Include HDMI - done

    Demand a HDD for some games. Burnout Paradise has done this for multiplayer, to avoid gimping the game. More will follow. FF XIII I expect will make heavy use of storage and installs, as may MGS4 if it gets a green light.

    Before you get all defensive, I would also like to see what the PS3 could do with Gears Of War, now that the UE3 engine has been suitably optimised - delaying UTIII into the ground with it.

  • Darren #128 4 years ago

    LeD - "Well the PS3 was touted as being vastly superior to the 360, so it's kind of ironic seeing the 360 holding the PS3 at arm's length for two years running now."

    This I agree with.

    Sony made out that the PS3 was vastly superior to the competition, mentioned it numerous times in fact, and with the PS3 delayed a year there was the expectation that it would be better than the Xbox 360, if only slightly, in the same way that the later released Xbox was more powerful than the PS2. With Xbox multiformat games it was obvious that the machine had the edge technically over the older PS2 and that's a machine that rarely was the lead version too. Here we are a generation later and the roles are reversed, the PS3 came later than the Xbox 360 but because the hardware is so difficult for programmers to get to grips with, we've not seen any indication so far than the machine is any better than the 360. At best, it's identical and in some cases it seems to be slightly inferior, e.g. the RSX graphics chip comes across as weak as simulataneous HDR lighting and anti-aliasing are an issue in many games (although there are workarounds). Dunno about anyone else but that's actually slightly disappointing considering the delayed release and cost of the hardware.

    Now before I get crucified, I'll say that I love my PS3 because it's a great BD player and I can't play its exclusives anywhere else. The awesome Metal Gear Solid 4 is the highlight of this year so far for me and Ratchet & Clank: ToD was one of my favourite games of 2007 so it's clearly not a bad games machine, it's just not standing out from the competition as much as I expected it to given it's specs. Instead of leading this generation, the PS3 seems to be playing catchup with the 360 as a result of that year long delay (online features, quality of multiformat games, etc., etc.).

    Edit: grammar
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 12:14

  • Ryze #129 4 years ago

    @bad09

    It's a weird one. it moves to the left properly, but only has linited movement to the right. It's as though the centre is off-centre, as is often jumps about on it own.

    I've unlocked the firmware, so I dunno if Sony will even let me pay to fix it. Still I'm disappointed with this as well. Oh well...

  • Widge #130 4 years ago

    So a large swarm of fair points in the above!
    I mainly have beef with dismissive statements like "PS3 is rubbish for games"... which I'm partially sure is done as a wind up merchant thing anyway.

    Its not like "Jesus:The Console" or anything though, but what is?
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 12:03

  • Ryze #131 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    Fuck off you TART.

  • Ryze #132 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    You fucking tool

  • Ryze #133 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    You fucking twerp

  • Ryze #134 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    fucking idiot

  • Ryze #135 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    You're a cock!

  • Ryze #136 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    Tosser!

  • Rash' #137 4 years ago

    Darren, The crucial difference is that it's not playing catch to 360 on monthly sales worldwide... And this in light of all the shortcomings you point out.
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 12:10

  • bad09 #138 4 years ago

    @ Ryze

    Yeah a friend had the same problem, if you go to Sony they will charge if they will do it all I recommend a few things

    1. If it's an old model, bite the bullet and go for the sexier new model

    2. Don't know where you are but try looking at a repair store, plenty in UK for sure. I had a screen replaced fairly cheaply.

    3. try the DIY approach it's quite simple to take it apart the PSP

  • Darren #139 4 years ago

    Ryze - "- Backpeddaling on Backwards compatibility - losing me as a customer even further, while the console price remained at £425!!! Are they fucking kidding?"

    That didn't happen at all.

    Sony dropped the price of the 60 GB HDD model with PS2 emulation to £349 if I remember and released a cutdown 40 GB HDD model for £299. Not ideal admittedly but they certainly didn't short-charge anyone by offering less at the same price as the launch model, they did what they felt they had to do to get PS3 hardware sales moving and it worked.

  • prolific8 #140 4 years ago

    @Widge

    I love fanboy wars. I like to keep them moving.

  • SteveB #141 4 years ago

    Darren, The crucial difference is that it's not playing catch to 360 on monthly sales worldwide... And this in light of all the shortcomings you point out

    Why is this important to you ?

  • Ryze #142 4 years ago

    I held off buying a 360 for exacly the same reasons that I'm holding off buying a PS3 & Wii.

    My friends have them, and they don't offer me enough at the right price for me to jump in yet. My existing consoles and games will suffice:

    From the top:

    Tandy TRS-80; Amstrad CPC; Sega Multimega / 32X; Sega Saturn; 4 PCs with games from (Doom)95 - (UT)2004 plus tonnes of emulators; PS2; Xbox; PSP; Xbox 360 and probably over 1000 games if I cared to add them all up.

    I love my PS2 and 360 library the most, and have 2 32" Widescreen TVs in my living room to play them on.

    One Panny SD, one JVC HD. When the PS3 feature set is restored, I can sell the Panny and PS2, and get a 42-50" 1080p set.

    I'll be sorted. Sony are causing me to wait, and to wait is better than getting raped.

    ryz

  • Ryze #143 4 years ago

    @Darren

    The launch EU console had compromised BC, as the EE was removed. It launched at £425.

    Done.

  • Rash' #144 4 years ago

    SteveB, Because while some here are interested in the tech side of things (not that I'm implying that I'm not) I'm interested in the business side. Like how the market grows and developes. "Horses for courses" as some say here... ;o)
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 12:20

  • monkie_king #145 4 years ago

    Ryze: So you're a biased Tandy fanboy! The TRS-80 was no Dragon 32, that's for sure.

  • Ryze #146 4 years ago

    @monkie_king

    Fuck you man the Dragon32 just copied off of fthe Tandy TRS-80!

    Radio Shack FTW!

  • monkie_king #147 4 years ago

    Whatever, man, I'm too busy hooking up this printer to my Centronics parallel port to argue.

  • Ryze #148 4 years ago

    My TRS-80 had an analogue joystick and teh powa of teh 4k cartridge!

  • monkie_king #149 4 years ago

    Yeah, I had analogue sticks too. They didn't self-centre though. Not ideal for playing Donkey Kong and Pac Man rip-offs (in colour - did I mention that?).

  • Ryze #150 4 years ago

    Yeah - that was a bastard trying to play Crazy Painter, Beamrider, Androne (like one of the 1st FPSs) and Cuthbert Goes Digging.

    My sh1t had 8 colours too! And what?

    You can't test 'dis, blood!

  • Ryze #151 4 years ago

    Look!

    [link url=http://www.polylith.com/~brendan/Clas sicComputers/Tandy/ColorComputer2.html
    ]http://ww w.polylith.com/~brendan/Classic...[/link]

    Now I'm gonna have to dig it out from the cupboard and find a tape player to load up the games.

    See what you made me do, blig_merk!?

    You cock.

    /rummages
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 12:36

  • Darren #152 4 years ago

    Ryze - "@Darren

    The launch EU console had compromised BC, as the EE was removed. It launched at £425.

    Done."

    Aye 'tis true, forgot about that but it really wasn't that big of a deal, especially when you consider that Sony went on to remove PS2 emulation COMPLETELY. Certainly my own launch PS3 plays all 20 of my PS2 games fine with only minor issues and the games look better than they ever would have done on the PS2, thanks to upscaling to 1080p, smoothing and HDMI, so I'm happy. :)

  • Ryze #153 4 years ago

    But £425!?!?!?!

    Can't be done mate. Not considering I'd have been buying it as a partial PS2 upscaler that plays Motorstorm. Without rumble.

    I only got my 360 in Dec, and I've got tonnes of PS2 games unfinished. I would end up having to keep my PS2 to avoid the glitches. Apparently God Of War II can be a bit of a mess on that model, and I've hardly got anywhere on that game yet. Got it just before I got the 360.
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 12:43

  • Rash' #154 4 years ago

    Ryze, You know what you're a twat. I can understand you didn't want to pay the 425 out of principle, but when the price was dropped to 350 for the 4-5 months leading up to the well publicised removal of BC why did you not buy it then? BC returning is a dream and you know it. If you don't want the console then don't buy it, by all means, but stop this bullshit about waiting for the exact features you want before investing. Frankly, you sound like an egotistically prick.

  • MilkYMoO #155 4 years ago

    I was looking forward to blig_mercs comments for this face-off and thankfully he has'nt let me down. Please blig_merc join the allgames interactive chatroom sometime, or better still phone in. Your a bit of a celebrity on there.

  • Ryze #156 4 years ago

    Here we go:

    @Rash'

    Duhhhh LEARN TO READ.

    The BC in the EU console has been gimped from the start, as my last comment states. I don't want to play glitched versions of my PS2 games.

    What a tosser. Give up already.

  • Rash' #157 4 years ago

    Ryze, Then stop moaning like a bitch and get over it. The system doesn't suit your needs. Case closed.

  • Ryze #158 4 years ago

    @Rash'

    Fuuuuuck Yoooou.

    It's cretins like yourself and your bullshit that I'm responding to.

  • Ryze #159 4 years ago

    @farticusmaximus

    It's got to be said though:

    Forza 2, as excellent a game as it is - is fugly. Many of the cars look like they don't match the tracks. The Dodge Viper is one, where the shiny effect looks out of place compared to everything else on screen.

    The tracks are also fucking ugly also. It's like an Xbox 1.5 game.

    Wonderful game though, and the online functions piss all over anything that the PSN has offered, or will offer until they ACTUALLY FINISH IT and implement more standard functionality.

  • SeesThroughAll #160 4 years ago

    The BC in the EU console has been gimped from the start, as my last comment states. I don't want to play glitched versions of my PS2 games.

    No it hasn't.
    Up to 2.10 the BC kept on improving.
    I actually bought PS2 games on the cheap at the time and they all worked perfectly fine.
    EVEN without the EE chip, PS2 able models have a higher compatibility rate with PS2 software than 80%.
    US models had issues at first too, and if I recall correctly, the PS2 had it's own share of problems running PS1 games as well.

  • Ryze #161 4 years ago

    As Zero_Cool says, the PS3 has some spectactular specs.

    It's ruined by poor memory bandwitth in places, a severe lack of RAM, and a poor data transfer rate and seek time from the BD drive.

    I really wish they'd have waited a year and put 1Gb of RAM and a 4xBD-ROM in the unit.

    Saying that - I can't wait to see what Rockstar, Ueda, and Jaffe manage to do with the console. Plus I can't wait to see the finished GT5 withthe Logitech wheel support, online play with decent friends list and invites, GT TV with the Top Gear test track and full damage modelling. This will take ages to finish.

    This is exactly why I'm better off waiting at least a year to 18 months, and enjoying what's been happening for the past YEAR on the 360. Some of the bargain bin games are fantastic, and I'm having to STOP myself from buying games and HD DVDs!

    £5 upwards for games and HD movies of a better or identical quality to the competition. Better online features. Can't argue with that.

    Check:

    [link url=ht tp://gamers.eurogamer.net/groups.php?group_id=83
    ]http://ga mers.eurogamer.net/groups.php?g...[/link]

  • Rash' #162 4 years ago

    Ryze, What is it that you're responding to, dick! I'm just telling you to be pleased with your console of choice and not feel compelled to moan like a bitch, in a language you clearly seem to understand.
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 15:07

  • Ryze #163 4 years ago

    YES! 80 != 100 or even 99%!!!

    I have tonnes of PS2 games and I'm still buying! I have about 5 Xbox games and they all work. The last one that didn't (Outrun 2006) was fixed a year ago! All of them are nicely scaled up and have online functions intact.

    Different story with the PS2 - I keep finding games that I want to keep buying:

    Okami
    Yakuza
    God Hand
    Kingdom Hearts
    ...............

    The list goes on because the console is wonderful. If I'm buying a new Sony console - it's going to be a PS2.

    I can't even count how many games I have for PS2, I've lent out and lost more than I care to remember, but I have a damn stellar lineup.

    I've a photo somewhere when I was changing my living room round. For a laugh I placed all of my PS2 games on the floor like tiles, and had to stop because I was running out of room and it was getting silly. Sony don't realise what they've done to core gamers by leaving out BC. I can't sit on my sofa and play games as the cable doesn't reach where I now keep my PS2. My controllers are getting old and I would like to replace them - my console is dying also.

    I REALLY want my PS3 purchase to include 90%+ PS2 BC with upscaling so I can use wireless pads with rumble support.

    They've gone and lost the core gaming audience to the 360, and now they've got the Pro Evo / Need For Speed / FIFA / GTA chav crowd, and the Blu-Ray crowd, plus the 'buy all consoles' crowd and the Sonyfan crowd.

    Wii got the casuals, and the battle is to scoop up all of the kids who will trade in their Wii once they're all waggled out.

  • Rash' #164 4 years ago

    farticusmaximus, you mean posters such as yourself... :)

  • Ryze #165 4 years ago

    Yawn... work to do... I should be at the execs office...

  • Rash' #166 4 years ago

    "I have tonnes of PS2 games and I'm still buying! I have about 5 Xbox games and they all work. The last one that didn't (Outrun 2006) was fixed a year ago! All of them are nicely scaled up and have online functions intact."

    I'm sorry, but what is that suppose to mean? That 360 has better BC than the original PS3, because that comparison certainly implys that, cock. LOL!
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 15:13

  • Ryze #167 4 years ago

    Yawn - what a fool we have here. It means that I'm not interested generally in Xbox games, as the console was late and lacked games in comparison to the PS2.

    I was only after exclusives like PGR2, Ninja Gaiden Black, etc.

    It's obvious that you can't debate with arseholes. Seems like you're so wound up by this that you can't stop!

    Does it hurt!?

    XD

  • Rash' #168 4 years ago

    Ryze, Ah, no. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I just thought it was fun to wined up a wound up poster. You do sound like you have a biase, but then many of the posters on this site do (myself included) so you're nothing special to get excited about. ;oP

  • smelly #169 4 years ago

    He he ..

    you guys are funnneee...

    Keep it up!

    I also lol'd earlier when someone said mgs4 will probably come to the 360.. about as likely as halo 3 going to the gamecube.

  • belziah #170 4 years ago

    When are we gonna see Tom Bramwell vs Dan Whitehead?

    I wanna see some Ellie Gibson vs Kristan Reed action.

    Edit: just read the last bit back to myself and well. I'll leave it up to you.
    Edited by 1 at 30/07/08 @ 18:12

  • Darren #171 4 years ago

    Zero_Cool - "I haven't seen a racing game on the 360 that can better GT5 (and it's a first generation PS3 title!) for frame rate and graphics."

    What... a game that tears like a bitch and suffers from framerate drops if there's more than three cars onscreen?!? :o

    IMO, PGR 4 beats the shit out of GT5P in that it's technically accomplished AND fun. GT5P isn't particularly exciting nor is it particularly realistic (no damage simulation for example). The cars look outstanding, granted, but the environments are only good. At times it can look great in the replays but basically it's a tech demo not a game. IMO. GT5P looks better when it isn't moving! Hopefully GT5 proper will be much better.

  • bad09 #172 4 years ago

    gotta agree there Darren, GT5p can get quite ugly during gameplay (replays though as always are fantastic), I also find PGR4 better looking and more fun but I suppose it would be fairer comparing Gt5p to Forza, but to be honest haven't played Forza for so long not sure who wins there?

  • Rash' #173 4 years ago

    Re: GT5P

    Though the art direction certainly isn't the greatest, the visual fidelity of Prologue is unmatched, imo. Granted it isn't perfect, but 60fps at 1080p is an impressive showcase for the full game... Whenever that comes. Personally, I can't stand the game. Always thought it was for petrol heads.
    Edited by 1 at 31/07/08 @ 02:59

  • Widge #174 4 years ago

    I can't be bothered with GT5p... I wasn't with GT4p either. If I know an expanded game is due down the line, I'd rather have that (even thought GT5p is much meatier than GT4p was)

  • Ryze #175 4 years ago

    Yeah, here's my Wii list as well to bait Smelly:

    edit: - Address the storage issue!!! release official protected high capacity memory cards or a HDD/SSD along with a firmware update to enable content to be loaded directly.

    edit: - Supply integrated Wii motion plus remotes, and offer an official wireless nunchuk accessory

    - MD (6-button), Saturn and SNES pads for classic games (and/or adaptors to use my old pads)

    - 60Hz option for VC games (or I'll import)

    - NoE stop acting like a cock and taking the piss with Europe. The other territories are treated well (or I'll import)

    - StarWars light saber game to use the Wii motion plus and score 8/10 or higher with decent controls

    - Hopefully a decent Rockstar game to accompany Bully (GTA San Andreas Stories please)!

    - More developers to push the hardware as well as making innovative use of the controller

    - Saturn games on the Virtual Console (I'd like Die Hard Arcade, Burning Rangers, NiGHTS and Radiant Silvergun, please).

    - F-Zero announcement

    - More innovation and online services!

    - Keep keeping the competitors on their toes. Congrats, Nintendo. I expected you to pull a Sega and fall over.

    Also, if any of the big 3 manage to get a hold of Sega and resurrect its corpse then they get extra kudos. Whoever does a 40 player online Daytona USA with carbon copy audio and presentation will. Just. Win.

    Just a few of these things will push me to invest during this round - as I've got tonnes of games and a huge load of life and career to keep me going right now!

    I'm not egotistcal or whatever, it's just that gaming has gone hand in hand with events in my life since I was tiny (Track and Field, Double Dragon), junior (Outrun, R-Type, After Burner), double figures and beyond (Sonic, Streets of Rage, Xenon II), teen (Street Fighter II, Road Rash, Mortal Kombat, NBA Jam, Bomberman), college aged (GTA, Quake, Daytona, King of Fighters), Uni (Half-life, UT, GTA III), graduate / depression (Vice City, Burnout, The Getaway - DEPRESSION!), career hurdles (San Andreas, Burnout 3, UT 2004), overcoming (Outrun 2006, Burnout Legends, Ninja Gaiden Black, God Of War, RE4), to getting money and building a career (GTA IV, Bioshock, SSFIITHDR).

    This is what I do. The associated awareness, interests and skills make me a living.

    @Rash': That's so sweet of you. You can't compete with Garry Cook & Mark Hughes though mate - I've enough on my plate sorting things out for them.
    Edited by 3 at 31/07/08 @ 14:55

  • Widge #176 4 years ago

    Face it:

    [link url=http://smouch.net/lol/
    ]http://smouch.net/lol/
    [/link]

    details all the reasons why the PS3 will be better in years to come

  • DrDamn #177 4 years ago

    Kind of continuing from another thread but relevant here.

    I've given up on GT5p. I was quite a staunch supporter of the game and approach. The frame drops and tearing are there but only particularly noticeable on certain tracks and in certain situations, and I quite like the overall look and feel of the game. However to wait several months for an update which is largely a method to try and sell you Top Gear episodes is taking the piss. What about races against friends and private races? What about better collisions and damage modelling?

    GT5 isn't going to be with us until 2010. They haven't just dropped the ball they've scored a try for the other side.

  • Ryze #178 4 years ago

    PS3lol

  • Ryze #179 4 years ago

    Banfoi must be in here as I'm 4 comments down.

  • Ryze #180 4 years ago

    Him or Joeking

  • Widge #181 4 years ago

    I'm down 4 too, is JSPOOLE about?
    He's hilarious:

    "someone on the internet is WRONG"

  • Widge #182 4 years ago

    even if you have a PS3

    what a WIN

  • BillyBrush #183 4 years ago

    3.5Gb, 4.3Gb

    what is the point in 54Gb discs if they load so slow gigabytes of data need to be mandatory installed on hard drives??...you can get by with a 20Gb hard drive on 360, and the system with the 'massive' discs can fill up 40/60Gb just with Gigs the games need to stop the load times being rubbish

    If you're too blind to see it, that's utter, utter shite..