Windows Vista

What it means for gamers.

Operating systems are absolutely ridiculous.

At least, the hype/rapture/rage that surrounds them tends to be. To most people, especially gamers like you, I and Robin Williams (no, really - he apparently plays Battlefield 2, plus I saw him at E3 once, trying to blag his way into the Rockstar booth), the OS is largely a thing to launch other things from. And really, that's all it should be - specific functions are best covered by specific programs. As long as the OS is stable, safe and supports what you want it to (i.e. games), its focus group-selected name should be pretty incidental.

Windows Vista, as you may or may not already know, is something of a different matter - for you, I and Robin Williams at least. Gaming's one of the elements that's being used to market it to a world that, en masse, doesn't quite know why it needs a new OS on its PC. The long, short and vaguely confusing of the matter is that DirectX, the software you may remember from such irritating dialogue boxes as 'this game requires you to install the latest version of DirectX, even though you've already installed it from the last 28 games you've bought', has a whole new version in Vista. It's that I'm going to specifically concentrate on for this piece - debates on Vista's other merits/offences are best left to other kinds of specialist websites. Y'know, ones that print endless tables full of numbers.

With that said, please bear with me while I do my hardest not to sink into incomprehensible tech talk over the next few paragraphs. Also for the record, I do not, to the best of my knowledge, possess any bias for or against Microsoft - I treat each product as its own entity rather than burdened or uplifted by its creators' prior escapades. Knowing the ever-furious populace of the internet, I'm sure some madman reading this will find a stray word that instantly convinces them I have some insidious agenda and must be killed with fire, but let the rational reader be assured of my objectivity.

So, five key facts about DirectX 10 (for that is its name):

'Windows Vista' Screenshot 1

All games are more fun when they're in parallelograms.

1) It's the first large-scale rewrite of the vital tech that makes Windows games talk to your hardware - and also defines precisely what 3D cards can do - in a long while.

2) It's less about making new graphical features possible (remember the hoo-hah about HDR lighting? Yeah - wasn't 'all that' really, was it?) than it is significantly streamlining existing ones, to the ultimate end that much more detailed scenes can be rendered without making your poor PC weep machine-tears.

3) It requires fully DirectX 10-compatible hardware to fully do its thing visually. Specifically, that means your current 3D card can't do DX10-only games (unless you have a GeForce 8800, which is highly unlikely). So, you'll have to upgrade - but only if you want maximum ocular sweetmeat, as most DX10 games will also support DX9 hardware, albeit at lower visual settings.

4) DX10 is not DX9 with bells on. As such, it has to load DX9 software to run DX9 games (that's basically everything from the last three or four years) - almost to the point of emulation. Emulation, as you may know from ferreting around in the Internet's hives of scum, villainy and console ROMs, doesn't always give perfect results.

5) DX10 is only available in Vista - that is to say, you can't get it in Windows XP, 2000, 98 et al. It has not, as yet, been proven to many folks' (including mine own) satisfaction that this is a technological necessity. On the other hand, there's no proof as yet that it's an unnecessary restriction intended to strongarm gamers into buying Vista either.

With DirectX 10, the PC will casually leapfrog the Xbox 360 (and very possibly the PS3 too, though these early-days and tepid launch titles mean we've yet to really see what Sony's fat baby is ultimately capable of) in terms of graphical potential. Graphical ability itself depends, much as before Vista, on the games and the hardware. A game whose art team have absolutely no flair is still going to look dull, no matter how many individually fluttering leaves are on its trees, while a technologically simple game like World of Warcraft or Katamari can manage to look a dozen times better than some bleeding-edge hardware-muncher, thanks to their aesthetic design.

Eventually, though, we should see good art and improved technology breed some jaw-droppingly beautiful children. To play them at their best though, you'll need both a new operating system and a new graphics card. The former you're not going to get your hands on for much less than £150 (that's the upgrade edition of Vista Home Premium - if you don't have Win XP or 2000, you'll need the £220 full edition). The latter - DX10 cards - are currently in short supply, as only NVIDIA has released something suitable, in the form of the £260 and upwards 8800 range. Right now, there aren't even official Vista drivers for the 8800 available - only a leaked beta.

Other, cheaper cards - including efforts from NVIDIA's arch-rival ATI-AMD - will turn up during the course of the year, but right now you'd need to spend at least £410 before you could make your PC DX10-enabled. That's two Wiis, or a complete Xbox 360 with a year's Live sub, an extra controller and a few games, or even a PS3. And for what?

Well, therein lies the rub of it. There are no DirectX 10 games available right now - likely to be the first is a DX10 patch for Company of Heroes due in March. It's an awesome game, but that's a lot of money to pay to make it look better. Due to follow later in the year are the likes of Crysis, World in Conflict, Shadowrun, the Age of Conan MMO and Halo 2. Take a look at the latest Crysis screens and their sheer beauty makes the upgrade seem worthwhile; take a look at the Conan videos and their visual blandness makes it very difficult to understand what the DX10 fuss is about. And Halo 2? Well, it'll have higher resolutions and some sparkly bits, but it's fundamentally the same Xbox 1 game from 2004, and as such is not going to look better - or even as good as - Halo 3 on 360. It's also worth noting again that many of these games - including Crysis - will run in DX9 as well, but with some visual features sacrificed. Until they're actually here, we can't know for sure whether the difference is worth caring about yet. However, the historical precedent set by the GeForce 3's introduction of pixel shader technology back in 2001, and the subsequent glacially slow uptake of it by games, suggests that it'll be at least a couple of years before titles that support DX10's new tech become the norm.

'Windows Vista' Screenshot 3

WIndows MEdia Center - one of the best non-game-related features of Vista.

Darting briefly back to point 4 of my cut out 'n' keep DX10 facts, running Vista on any 3D card will mean a risk of reduced performance in DX9 (and for that matter, 8, 7, 6, etc) games.

In some cases, it's completely negligible - Company of Heroes managed 61 frames per second in Vista compared to 65 fps in XP (both OSes were run on same system), for instance. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade managed an average of 158fps in XP, but 130 in Vista. In practice, in either case you're not going to spot the difference, but it may become a genuine problem for demanding games on not particularly high-end systems. While I'm here, I should say that if you have less than 1GB of RAM in Vista, you're pretty much guaranteed a performance hit in any game of the last year or two. Even though official requirements state 512MB, Vista is simply ravenous for memory.

OpenGL (a rival tech to DirectX) games fare even worse - Doom 3 lost almost 50fps in Vista against XP. That said, the only recent games that use OpenGL are that, Quake IV and Prey, and only the latter is remotely worthwhile. New drivers from ATI and NVIDIA will address the performance shortfall somewhat (a new 'un from ATI purporting to improve OpenGL performance was released as I wrote this, annoyingly - if I get the chance to run some new benchmarks I'll ask EG's copy-imps to update this piece), but probably not in every case.

'Windows Vista' Screenshot 4

Beautiful Crysis. There's a strong chance its DirectX9 version might look almost as dandy, mind.

There's also a sonic problem - due to a fundamental change in the way the OS and the sound card communicate, the vast majority of pre-Vista games won't have surround sound anymore. It's back to stereo for you, bucko. Not a problem if you're a headphone man, but bad news if you've a crazy speaker rig or beefy soundcard. It can be fixed for many games if you have a Soundblaster X-Fi card, thanks to a Creative app called ALchemy, but if not you're out in the cold until Microsoft changes its mind or you give yourself only to new games.

All sounds pretty bad, dunnit? Well, none of these alone are overwhelming negatives - even together, they amount to an irritation rather than a deal-breaker. Even then, the problems can be imperceptible - I've been running Vista as my primary OS since early December, and it hasn't even remotely troubled my nightly loss of time, energy and personality to World of Warcraft. Whether or not the (essentially minor) problems are ever ironed out, if you're toying with buying a new PC anyway, now that it'll come with Vista, you're getting a much better deal. It's certainly a better operating system than XP in non-gamey respects, and you'll have one stage of the grand DX10 design already accomplished.

A few months down the line, once graphics drivers have become watertight, the DX10 games are trickling out and the 3D cards to play them at their best are plentiful and affordable, it'll be worth seriously considering whether to upgrade your existing machine to Vista. At this moment in time though, I'd be a cruel man to recommend that anyone whose PC is first and foremost for gaming spend £150+ on this new operating system. Ask me again later in the year, and hopefully I'll tell you a different story.

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  • quantumsheep #1 5 years ago

    It's a bit expensive isn't it?

    I've seen laptops selling at around £450 with Vista pre-installed - which means I'm seriously considering buying one as it's not much more than just getting Vista on its own!
  • Eldritch #2 5 years ago

    "spend £150+ on this new operating system"

    Why? System Builder versions start at €95 (GBP 65). And they're legal (at least in Germany).
  • UncleLou #3 5 years ago

    Interesting article, cheers.

    The latter - DX10 cards - are currently in short supply, as only NVIDIA has released something suitable, in the form of the £260 and upwards 8800 range

    Prices seem to drop constantly. I've seen 8800GTS cards (with very, very impressive benchmarks) in the 220 quid range already.
  • space_ace #4 5 years ago

    sounds like less than 8/10?
  • pauleyc #5 5 years ago

    System Builder (OEM) versions have their restrictions, including not being allowed to change the motherboard IIRC.

    In other words: no need to upgrade right away.

    edit: UncleLou, there's the upcoming 8600 series, too!
    Edited by 1 at 31/01/07 @ 14:18
  • captbirdseye #6 5 years ago

    "spend £150+ on this new operating system"

    Forgive if im wrong but there are many Vista packages for much less than that including the Vista Home Premium 32-Bit Edition DVD - OEM which retails at £72?
  • BillGaitas #7 5 years ago

    better than halo??? ;)
  • Eldritch #8 5 years ago

    "System Builder (OEM) versions have their restrictions, including not being allowed to change the motherboard IIRC."

    Hmmmh, I've changed my motherboard twice, and all I had to do is call Uncle Bill and tell him about it to unlock my Windows XP. Did they change that in Vista?
  • captbirdseye #9 5 years ago

    Interesting article, cheers.

    The latter - DX10 cards - are currently in short supply, as only NVIDIA has released something suitable, in the form of the £260 and upwards 8800 range

    Prices seem to drop constantly. I've seen 8800GTS cards (with very, very impressive benchmarks) in the 220 quid range already

    Jeez, thats cheap where too?
  • pauleyc #10 5 years ago

    Eldritch, apparently they did change it.

    edit: Here's another interesting article about Vista and gaming performance.
    Edited by 1 at 31/01/07 @ 14:24
  • sharpfish #11 5 years ago

    "and very possibly the PS3 too"

    Very probably the ps3 too, of course DX10 with cutting edge cards and especially next years cards will surpass the PS3 technically in GPU terms (hey, the xbox360 already surpasses the ps3 in GPU terms).

    Of course consoles have a certain magic dust (fixed spec hardware, high paid devs) which means console games will continue to look excellent compared to PC games for a while yet.

    Crysis may be the start of the new-pc revolution, but we will need more games to compete with the consoles to make use of these superior gpus.

    Vista is fine, a few bugs, a pain about directsound, a bit too much hand holding but a nice looking thing none the less. Easier to keep tidy, and far more intuative to get around.

    Don't expect XP to die for another 4 years at least though.
  • UncleLou #12 5 years ago

    captbirdseye:

    Various (German) online retailers - mindfactory.de, for example.
  • FWB #13 5 years ago

    I hate DirectX. I hate drivers. I hate installations. I hate lack of memory/HD space/graphic cards capability etc.

    "As long as the OS is stable, safe and supports what you want it to (i.e. games), its focus group-selected name should be pretty incidental."

    Amen. Fuck em all.

    HL2 and Mafia were wank btw.

    EDIT... Ohh and before anyone suggests it... I hate consoles more than all of the above combined and cooked nicely in a vegetable sauce.
    Edited by 1 at 31/01/07 @ 14:29
  • Eldritch #14 5 years ago

    "Eldritch, apparently they did change it. "

    Not in Germany.

    The German High Court told Uncle Bill to fuck off, so it's perfectly legal to sell SB or OEM versions, the only difference being that they don't come with a manual and your don't have access to MS's support.
  • Rambaldi #15 5 years ago

    This is WHY I sold my PC and bought an Xbox:

    Open - Insert - Slouch - Play - Enjoy
  • Darren #16 5 years ago

    What a terrfic article. It's made my mind up not to bother buying Vista at the moment or at least if I do somewhere down the line, it'll be installed alongside XP. I had no idea that DirectX 9 games had to be emulated, I thought like the previous versions of DirectX that the earlier versions are supported along with the new one and games use whichever is appropriate. Thanks for clarifying that EG... as a PC gamer, I see absolutely no point in spending £150 just for a prettier user interface.
  • Daikon #17 5 years ago

    So let me get this straight.
    I can pay hundreds of pounds on the OS and system upgrades, and in return I will get suffer a performance drop when using DirectX 9 and go from surround sound to stereo, not to mention have my system compromised by the numerous not-yet-discovered-but-soon-to-be-exploited security holes?
    Thanks, but no thanks...
  • pauleyc #18 5 years ago

    Not in Germany.

    Interesting, I didn't know that. Although it mentions only the requirement of the OS being sold together with the hardware, I didn't see anything regarding the reactivation of the OEM version (ie. no confirmation on the freedom of the process). Still no good if you want a version in a language other than German. :-)
  • matrim83 #19 5 years ago

    Most interesting would be the mid range DX 10 graphic cards coming in from ATI and Nvidia. I read about Nvidia unveiling the 6600 and 7600 version of the DX 10 series i.e. the 8600 this march. From the sound of things it should be priced at around 200 $ which TBH doesn't sound so expensive if you are looking to upgrade to a DX 10 card. Still I don't really see Vista and DX 10 gaming taking off untill next year at the very least. Sure there might be DX 10 games coming out soon but for every one of them there will be a dozen based on DX 9.
  • Eldritch #20 5 years ago

    Just an example.

    I had their current flyer in the mail today. On the last page they state explicitly:

    "einzeln erhältlich" (sold individually)

    I bought my XP SBE in one of their stores without buying any hardware. No problem.
  • Drpwnage #21 5 years ago

    Forcing PC Gamers with perfectly adequate gaming PC's to spend several hundred quid upgrading to a new OS just so they can play the latest games is just crap. I actually hope Crysis does poorly in retail (which I expect it to, when you say look at the 'average' PC gamers PC spec from Steams user information).

    From the various reviews I have read recently, I'm also not clear on whether the OEM version will let you upgrade PC components or not.
  • spidermanalf #22 5 years ago

    Someone has good taste, a few Johnny Cash albums on there! Some Eels and REM too!

    Oh yeah Vista, will wait and see what my mates is like, he gets a free upgrade, that cost him 16 quid when he bought his PC delivered in next day or two !

  • Zomoniac #23 5 years ago

    No idea where a £220 one is, but if you work for someone you can buy components and reclaim the VAT from, there's one for £253 here.
  • captbirdseye #24 5 years ago

    From the various reviews I have read recently, I'm also not clear on whether the OEM version will let you upgrade PC components or not.

    Its linked to just your motherboard and not components.
  • Eldritch #25 5 years ago

    "he gets a free upgrade, that cost him 16 quid when he bought his PC delivered in next day or two ! "

    Yeah, smart move! (C:
  • TakeTheVeil #26 5 years ago

    could ya not just have a dual boot with XP and Vista to sort out those DX9 problems? or is it the DX10 GPUs?
  • Xerx3s #27 5 years ago

    I got it for free! \0/

    Thank you MSDN AA! ;p

    Not that I'm using it as WinXPpro64 is everything I need and runs very well.
  • skillian #28 5 years ago

    When I tried Vista before, I was perfectly happy with its performance in games like HL2 and COD2, but I agree there's no real incentive to upgrade for purely gaming reasons.

    For all the talk of Crysis in the article and the comments, no-one's mentioned the real reason I would upgrade to Vista - Alan Wake. Unlike Crysis, it's exclusive to the Vista platform, and I'd definitely feel I was missing out if I've not ditched XP by the time it's released.
  • brooza #29 5 years ago

    you'd need to spend at least £410 before you could make your PC DX10-enabled. That's two Wiis, or a complete Xbox 360 with a year's Live sub, an extra controller and a few games, or even a PS3.

    Well, nearly a PS3
  • in5ane #30 5 years ago

    The point everyone seems to miss is that you can install Vista on your current XP machine and keep XP! Vista install even makes this easy.

    If something needs XP or works better in that OS, boot into XP, otherwise boot into Vista with all its fading translucent goodness.

    Aria have the 'ultimate' vista OEM for
  • Dizzy #31 5 years ago

    "Do people still believe this kind of baloney about the PS3 GPU in 2007? "

    Apparently..; but that is also the reason they are on my ignore list ;)

    I got Vista with my new PC... everything runs pretty smooth and looks great. Dunno if you *need* to upgrade but if you get a new (uber) PC it would be stupid not to buy Vista.
  • brooza #32 5 years ago

    Aria have the 'ultimate' vista OEM for

    65 squiddles

    EDIT: no they don't, that's Home Premium
    Edited by 1 at 31/01/07 @ 15:02
  • TheDifficult3rdAlbum #33 5 years ago

    >if I get the chance to run some new benchmarks I'll ask EG's copy-gimps to update this piece

    Fixed
  • kangarootoo #34 5 years ago

    Wow, I'm amazed that someone hasn't piped up yet complaining about the lack of a score on that article. I thought that the sun couldn't set round here without a score out of ten.
  • asphaltcowboy #35 5 years ago

    well, I'll be waiting for the first service pack I reckon... iron out whatever problems are usually associated with new OSs... and to bring you up on a small point... HDR was "all that", bog-standard bloom however, was not!
  • asphaltcowboy #36 5 years ago

    in5ane:

    Does Vista come with an option for dual-boot installation built in?
  • penhalion #37 5 years ago

    Build your own system and buy the OEM version. I have and can say that it's actually a good operating system.
  • Bru-Man #38 5 years ago

    "maximum ocular sweetmeat"

    Contender for phrase of the year surely?
  • captain_cupcake #39 5 years ago

    Does Vista come with an option for dual-boot installation built in?

    Yes you can easily dual-boot in Vista
  • Arganoid #40 5 years ago

    "Forcing PC Gamers with perfectly adequate gaming PC's to spend several hundred quid upgrading to a new OS just so they can play the latest games is just crap. I actually hope Crysis does poorly in retail"

    Crysis is not exclusive to Vista or DX10.
  • mazzl #41 5 years ago

    so microsoft brings us another reason to buy a 360 ;)
    not interested at all in vista, winxp does it all, when dx10 games become the bulk, let's say christmas 2008, maybe then i'll upgrade my pc.
  • Drpwnage #42 5 years ago

    @Arganiod

    I didn't realise that :>. I have been too busy looking at the pretty screenshots to read any of the accompanying preview text. If you can dual boot with XP easily enough then that solves a lot of the problems.

    If the OEM version is locked to your motherboard, do you get opportunity to reactivate it? if like me you upgrade your PC guts every 18 months. Or do you have to purchase the retail version for that?
  • HoriZon #43 5 years ago

    For all those who have a "free upgrade" to Vista this is how to install it a fresh!
    So it doesn't invalidate your XP install!

    ---------------------------------------------------------- This workaround allows users to perform a “clean install.” The process is a bit tedious, but is not hard at all to complete. Users have to perform these simple steps to perform a clean install of Vista without a previous version of Windows installed with an upgrade DVD:

    1. Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the setup program.
    2. When prompted to enter your product key, DO NOT enter it. Click "Next" and proceed with setup. This will install Windows Vista as a 30-day trial.
    3. When prompted, select the edition of Vista which you have purchased and continue with setup.
    4. Once setup has been completed and you have been brought to the desktop for the first time, run the install program from within Windows Vista.
    5. This time, type in your product key when prompted.
    6. When asked whether to perform an Upgrade or Custom (advanced) install, choose Custom (advanced) to perform a clean install of Vista. Yes, this means that you will have to install Vista for a second time.
    7. Once setup has completed for the second time, you should be able to activate Windows Vista normally. You can also delete the Windows.old directory which contains information from the first Vista install.
  • prettyboytim #44 5 years ago

    I still can't quite get over the rampant cynicism of the 'No DX10 on XP' move.
  • spaceman #45 5 years ago

    ah the eels, what a brilliant album
  • Tiiti #46 5 years ago

    I am liking my Vista very much.

    /considers starting a 'post us your Vista performance rating' thread. Mine is 5,5.5,5.9,5.9,5.9 :)
  • miiiguel #47 5 years ago

    It's incredible how EG must show its devoteeness to the Playstation brand. While there are plenty of articles/charts that shows 360 GPU is stronger, they don't waste the oppurtunity to try to make us believe otherwise.
    And now, they even have games that can be put side by side. Try CoD3, EG, compare them, try THP8!!!
  • miiiguel #48 5 years ago

    skillian: Alan wake is not Vista exclusive, it's coming out to 360 as well.
  • a.d.venturer #49 5 years ago

    Ah, an article that completely misses some major points:

    1. Its likely in the next 6 months that Wine on Windows will be working to the point where you can do the reverse: emulate DirectX 10 on a Windows XP or lower spec machine. So no need to upgrade.

    2. Vista's complete removal for any support for existing Direct Sound hardware, is a significant boost for 3rd party sound support such as OpenAL. There's a great explanatory link here: http://www.o penal.org/openal_vista.html. Again, OpenAL doesn't require Vista.
  • brooza #50 5 years ago

    I think the OEM version is locked to a specific hardware configuration, but the retail versions are locked to the processor
  • Eldritch #51 5 years ago

    "It's incredible how EG must show its devoteeness to the Playstation brand."

    Wrong forum, mate.
  • Carlo #52 5 years ago

    Rambali: This is WHY I sold my PC and bought an Xbox:

    Open - Insert - Slouch - Play - Enjoy


    You forgot: - Red ring - Cry - Return - cross fingers.
  • JavaJawaUK #53 5 years ago

    I won't buy yet. I'll wait until mid-summer - I don't need to be a sucker when I have an SLI DX9 rig ATM.
  • miiiguel #54 5 years ago

    Carlo: what's a red ring ?

    I know the "Open - Insert - Slouch - Play - Enjoy" , though, and love it, just love it.
    Can't stand office desk gaming anymore.

    But am I missing something...? what's that red ring you're experiencing ?
  • Bonzrat #55 5 years ago

    Generally don't get involved in comments mudflinging about stuff I've written, but one clarification, as I'm mightly aggrieved that /the entire paragraph/ I put in about not having any sort of bias was apparently completely ignored by the crazies.
    I. Am. Not. Biased. For. Or. Against. Any. Platform. The quality of each invidiual game, regardless of what it's played on, is all I'm bothered about. I do, however, have a really, really strong bias against people who immediately reach for the flaming pitchfork at the slightest misinterpretation.
  • RFT #56 5 years ago

    Nice Optimus Prime wallpaper...
  • Scimarad #57 5 years ago

    I'm definitely interested in Vista but I think I'm going to wait a while...

    @ miiiguel:

    Not wishing to go completely off topic due to one off hand remark but comparing system potential based on lazy ports might satisfy you but it doesn't prove anything meaningful...
  • miiiguel #58 5 years ago

    Scimarad: what does then ? The possibility of some bright team come along and maybe someday do something great ?
    Well in the technological field I tend to incline myself to objectivism rather than relativism.
    Edited by 1 at 31/01/07 @ 17:05
  • skillian #59 5 years ago

    Bonzrat, don't feel aggrieved. As you rightly pointed out, no amount of disclaimers can stop the inevitable accusations of bias one way or another ;)

    It's the EG way...

  • MasterGrief #60 5 years ago

  • Scimarad #61 5 years ago

    Miiguel, as someone who owns both machines I'd say they were doing pretty damn well so far.

    Do we really need to have this conversation in a Windows Vista comments thread?
  • BravoGolf #62 5 years ago

  • miiiguel #63 5 years ago

    XP is also from Microsoft...

    Linux has even less games then the PS3... (well... not really, but you got the idea...), and all the compatibility layers arround doesn't really work proprelly. I mean..., PC gaming more often than it should allways require some tweeking, now try to use Linux with Windows API's (even with native DLLs), and it equals pain.
  • SeesThroughAll #64 5 years ago

    The article is spot on. Seriously, most people who wish to upgrade their Windows version do so within the first couple of years after each release, but the worst moment to upgrade certainly is on release. It was like this before with XP.
  • Varsity #65 5 years ago

    It doesn't emulate old DX versions: it has a new version of DX9 written specifically for the new driver model. DX9L or something; AFAIK it's actually faster than DX9 in XP, and current performance drops are down to driver issues.
  • Gurgeh #66 5 years ago

    Re: the Ps3 graphics comments, here's Anandtech's take on the "new" NVidia cards

    [link url=http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=29
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    http://ww w.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.a...[/link]

    "Back when Sony announced the specifications of the PlayStation 3, everyone asked if it meant the end of PC gaming. After all Cell looked very strong and NVIDIA's RSX GPU had tremendous power. We asked NVIDIA how long it would take until we saw a GPU faster than the RSX. Their answer: by the time the PS3 ships. So congratulations to NVIDIA for making the PS3 obsolete before it ever shipped, as G80 is truly a beast. "

    Also please note that OpenGL under Windows XP can make almost as much use out of this new hardware as DirectX10 under Vista, so the more games that use OpenGL the less need there is for Vista.
  • the_sas_man #67 5 years ago

    Is it better than GoW then?
  • cawley1 #68 5 years ago

    Have a look at the price of the full Ultimate Edition on Amazon...

    Amazon.co.uk = £353.99
    Amazon.com = $379.99

    If you bought from the US site (if you can on this item), it would cost you £193.68!
    What a rip!!! Just download the 'try before you buy' version and do the stop timer crack!
    I will wait for an OEM one to appear on eBay, sold (allegedly) with a bit of hardware to get by eBay rules for £50!
  • miiiguel #69 5 years ago

    the_sas_man: "Contrary to some opinions, the next generation of gaming clearly starts when Epic says so, and it’s hard to see how another game could come along and better what Gears of War does." in Pro-G.

    Nothing is better than Gears.
  • YourMessageHere #70 5 years ago

    I simply don't believe that DX10 is anything like the big step forward it's made out to be. Especially if microsoft is so keen on telling people how amazing it is and only vista is capable of handling it, then turning round and stating crap like their claims that because their amazing new interface uses transparency it requires a 128mb graphics card. If it does nothing new but improves on existing effect performance, given that the 8800 is the only thing that uses it, and that the 8800 is extremely powerful in and of itself, I'm far more inclined to believe it's the hardware that's the real advance, and DX10 is little more than the latest incremental DX iteration tied to a marketing strategy. Yes, Crysis is pretty, but nothing I've seen of it is anything more than what can already be done, but turned up to 11.

  • Pablo2k5 #71 5 years ago

    Quote... "Open - Insert - Slouch - Play - Enjoy - That's the gaming life... "

    Nope, that's a 'Console Kiddies' life.... ;)
  • BraveArse #72 5 years ago

    Never understood the whole "console kiddie" insult. I'm 35 - I like consoles ... last I heard willy waving contests were still in the realm of boy scouts outings...
    Edited by 1 at 31/01/07 @ 20:14
  • Scimarad #73 5 years ago

    I think you are forgetting the average level of 'maturity' in these threads...
  • grandmaster Verified Director, Digital Foundry #74 5 years ago

    So if I have XP and Vista on the same machine, will my copy of Office 2003 work on both OSs, or do I have to buy another copy of Office in order to run it on Vista as well as XP?
  • ph101 #75 5 years ago

    This was a great piece thanks. Obviously, there is no need to upgrade to vista at this point.

    It's good to hear crysis runs dx 9. Sad to hear that Alan wake won't.

    Concerned about whether to upgrade my gfx card for forthcoming dx9 playu, and whether or they will be able to reap the benefites of dx10 when/if I eventually do get vista in
  • immateriaux #76 5 years ago

    The memory foot print for Vista is absolutely shocking in my opinion.

    An OS is meant to be an enabler, it's what sits between your hardware and the things you want to do with your PC. It shouldn't consume a standard PCs's resources all by itself but be as light weight as possible. Microsoft have really gone off in the wrong direction with Vista but their pride, and the mess they made with Longhorn, will mean typical PC users now getting Vista shoved down their throats, with anemic carrots like this DirectX 10 version. The rest of us should have the sense to stick with XP for some time yet.
  • bluebird #77 5 years ago

    "And now it's hard to go back to 2K isn't it, yes it hurts a bit."

    Well.. no?

    Um I still use 2000 on my laptop, works perfectly. The only thing I prefer in Teletubbies windows, eh I mean, XP, is it shutting down and starting up faster, but with hibernate, that's no big deal...
  • 3william56 #78 5 years ago

    Ironic how MS has created exactly the same dilemma as Sony; a massive, relatively satisfied installed user base, a very expensive upgrade foisting technology most don't have a use/value for yet, and dubious value in upgrading for all but the l33t early adopter latest greatest crowd. And all for almost exactly the same price.

    Hell, it was even delayed longer than the PS3. And it b*ggers up backwards compatability frame rates (ok, not so fair now the PS3 has been upgraded, but still a fun coinkydink). Maybe it does giant enemy crabs as well.

    Vista is teh d00m3d!

    Of course the cost for those with pre dual core laptops is even more. No way my poor old Dell lappy will ever run Vista.

    And yet, the PC game crowd have taken all this with hardly a complaint. Interesting comparison with the Sony PR debacle.
  • Scimarad #79 5 years ago

    Maybe PC gamers really are more mature like they are so fond of saying;-)

    /doesn't believe it either
  • Svecke #80 5 years ago

    Microsoft can make me change from Win2k Pro SP4 when they pry the installation DVD from my cold, dead hands.
  • gnarl #81 5 years ago

    Everthing since 3.11 was just going downhill. All I ever wanted from windows was just that, an easier graphical interface to play with file structures.
  • miiiguel #82 5 years ago

    dang! I play consoles, I'm 33, but I sure wish I was a kiddie, didn't need to be here at 9AM trying to figure out why this damn machine doesn't log into the SAN!!!!!

    I want to be a KID!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But "pablo something", I tell you something office desk gaming for a a "over-teen" IT technician is so passé by now. So you just sit there on that uncomfortable office desk, and play on that tiny screen.
    I do it "confyer" and bigger...
    Edited by 2 at 01/02/07 @ 10:02
  • kallistus #83 5 years ago

    Like a lot of new technology, Vista is a disease looking for a cure. Pointless now, true. But give it a couple of years.

    I foresee then that all people, rich or poor, will have at least 2GB of RAM and processors capable of swallowing this bloatware beast without so much as a burp. Then the people will boot up Vista and rejoice.

    I also forsee that we'll also be flying to work on personal jet-packs and our meals will be a couple of pills.
  • holy_bazooka #84 5 years ago

    is that true??
    no surround sound?
    win95 was better i think.
    so m$ want vista to carry the mantle for future of pc gaming with ah... stereo sound... same as win 95 or worse.
    this is just beutiful.
    m$ with vista is like sony with ps3, totally lost it.
    /gets coat
    /leaves
  • Les #85 5 years ago

    They've copied the look of Singstar for their media center. Can't those high paid MS drones think of anything themselves? I think there are few companies that have been able to destroy value as much as MS has done. Must be the most redundant company in the world...
  • Dial999 #86 5 years ago

    Great article......not cynical but laced with a wee bit of scepticism. I am a gamer dad, 44 with kids 'n morgage. I dropped over £ 2k on a top end PC about 9 months ago. Thought it would be future proof for at least 18 months. Now I find I'm supposed to dropped another thick wedge to play the next gen games!! I tell you, I'm sick of spending money on chasing the graphic reality dream! Gears of War and Rainbow six vegas are great games (yes I'm a slut with a 360 too!!!) and they cost half what MS want for an PC upgrade to DX10 and vista!!!!

    If we're not careful PC gaming will become a elite specialist sport for the rich and the old.....
  • Les #87 5 years ago

    "I tell you, I'm sick of spending money on chasing the graphic reality dream!"

    As well as a bit foolish. Will never happen.
  • Dial999 #88 5 years ago

    What do you mean? "Will not happen?"
  • Les #89 5 years ago

    Graphic reality will never happen for computer generated graphics. The world is just too complex to be ever caught in a game engine. Graphics will get 'nicer' if you appreciate lots of pixels, animation will get better and better, but it will never become 'more' real. I personally don't think that's a bad thing. People should treat games more like books and let imagination fill in the blanks.
  • Dial999 #90 5 years ago

    "People should treat games more like books and let imagination fill in the blanks. "

    Hmmm, interesting idea. But computer games are moving towards a cinematic experience rather than a book experience. I believe computer games in the 21st century will be as important a form of mass entertainment as cinema was in the 20th century. And to get to that point the games simply have to offer a cinematic experience on par with the best films ....and that means top drawer story line, voice acting, sound, musical score.... and perfect animation and graphics.

    I think games can be much, much better than they are at the moment by investing in deeper more involving storys which draw the player into the experience on a level which involves more than just killing everything in sight. For instance, it would be good to actually care about the main characters and what happens to them, and invest a bit of emotianal interest in protecting them and seeing them do well. If we can achieve that then it will make for a very powerful form of entertainment indeed. Ah well, I can dream on I suppose.......