Wii Roundup Review

Cars, sports, cars.

Version tested: Wii

A warning to all trend-conscious Wii owners: rubbishy mini-game compilations are so last season. The latest fashion for autumn Y2K8 is rubbishy driving games, preferably with a futuristic twist. Or so suggests the latest pile of wretched old tat to land on my desk, of which 75 per cent consists of rubbishy driving games. Two-thirds with a futuristic twist.

One of them isn't too bad, to be fair. Another one almost makes it into the realms of mediocre. But the third is less playable than tennis on a trampoline and seven thousand times less fun. Just to top things off, the remaining 25 per cent is made up of a rubbishy mini-game compilation. Well done everyone.

Time to take a look at what's strolling down the catwalk this season, then. As Gok Wan would say, "Let me feel your bangers, it's all right I'm gay." Or rather, "Let's get going, gorgeous!"

Off Road

It's always worrying when the developer can't even be bothered to think up a name for their game and ends up going literal. Here we have Off Road, the latest effort from the studio which brought us Football Game and Shoot Things. Probably.

Off Road is officially licenced, at least - there are Ford and Land Rover logos on the box, and proper cars in the game. They are joined by ugly visuals, terrible AI and pathetic physics. Not all of the cars handle badly; some of them handle appallingly, and as the game progresses you can unlock vehicles which handle awfully, shoddily, dreadfully and horrifically.

Theoretically, you steer by holding the Wii remote horizontally and tilting it left and right. In practice, the slightest of nudges will send your car swerving around like it's being driven by a flailing shark who's caught his fins in the wheel. The cars appear to have been made of PVC and filled with helium, judging by the way they float across the track and spring bouncily off obstacles.

'Wii Roundup' Screenshot 1

This is the PS2 game - they haven't released any screenshots of the Wii version. How mysterious.

There are ice, desert and water environments to drive around, though due to the aforementioned handling these might as well be margarine, extra virgin and WD-40. The races are utterly tedious. It's enough of a struggle trying to make your car go in a straight line, let alone worrying about opponents who zoom off right away at the start of the race never to be seen again.

There's a half-baked attempt to offer a range of game options - tournament, arcade and career modes, checkpoint and slalom challenges and so on. But none of them are enjoyable; they merely represent different kinds of tedious, with great dollops of frustration mixed in. There is also a split-screen multiplayer mode where you can only see half of your car at any given moment.

Off Road is not as hateful as, say, RealPlay Racing, but you still shouldn't buy it.

3/10

Emergency Heroes

This game looks like it's based on a shonky Saturday morning cartoon series, perhaps one subsidised by the Canadian Goverment and produced collaboratively by studios in Japan and Quebec, who argue constantly over how spiky the hair should be. In fact, Emergency Heroes has been invented by Ubisoft, and produced collaboratively by studios in Barcelona and Newcastle. I was hoping for Byker Grove as reimagined by Gaudi, but I was disappointed. Instead, think Knight Rider meets Casualty. On Caprica.

Emergency Heroes is set in a futuristic world where just one emergency service takes care of all crime, medical and fire-related business. As a member of this task force you're given a series of missions to carry out, and a collection of increasingly silly vehicles to play around with. Take the fire engine, for example - which is in fact a big red SUV with a giant hose welded to the roof. Then there's a police car which looks like a blue Batmobile with an enormous black and yellow-striped snowplow stuck on the front. There are also buggies, motorbikes, trucks and plenty of other vehicles - nearly 50 in total.

Missions involve things like chasing another car and ramming it to the point of destruction, or using the hose on to extinguish fires as you drive round a circuit. None of them are tricky to complete, and most of them are so easy as to be tedious. Like the ones where you just drive the blue Batmobile through pile after pile of burned-out cars, which requires no skill other than the ability to drive the car in a straight line.

This is a much easier proposition than in Off Road, as the controls in Emergency Heroes aren't too bad. Once again you hold the remote horizontally and tilt to steer. There's a little bit of swerving and the handbrake is so excitable it's pretty much useless, but basically the controls work.

'Wii Roundup' Screenshot 2

They should do a The Bill movie set in the future, where Sunhill is a small planet and Burnside has a cybernetic arm.

The environments are described as "free-roaming", which is fair - you can choose what order you tackle missions in, and must drive to different start points to embark on them. However, there's not much of an area to roam around, and what there is isn't pretty. It's all sci-fi skyscrapers, ramps, overpasses and monorails, and it all looks like it belongs in a PSone game.

Still. Emergency Heroes has got police snowplows and fire jeeps and motorbikes and if you fill up the turbo meter you can go faster, and you can put the siren on whenever you like, and it's not too hard and you don't die and if you are a five year-old boy you will love it.

If you're the parent of a five year-old boy, you can sit them in front of Emergency Heroes and leave the room, confident it's less graphically violent than an episode of The Archers. Just be aware that for anyone over five, it's also less thrilling. Which brings us neatly to:

5/10

Speed Racer

This game is based on a cartoon series, the same one that inspired the Wachowski brothers' live action movie spin-off. Think F-Zero and WipEout meet... Just think F-Zero and WipEout, seeing as Speed Racer rips off both of those. It's quite good fun.

There will be no prizes for originality, though. Speed Racer features championship, single race and time trial modes. You can drive different cars with different balances of speed, acceleration, handling and strength. The lady driver's car is pink. The tracks are punctuated with plenty of tunnels, jumps and loop-the-loops, and look like they've been made by squashing a disco into a ball and flattening it out with a rolling pin. The music is traditional boomchi-boomchi-boomchi nineties beats with seventies-style riffs over the top; it sounds like what would happen if Robert Miles got drunk next to a tape recorder with Earth, Wind and Fire.

Just as with Emergency Heroes and that other driving game so tedious I've forgotten what it's called in the time it took to write the preceding paragraphs, you steer your car by holding the remote sideways. But the calibration is much better here, and there's the added bonus of stunts and car combat. You can perform jumps and rolls by jerking the remote upwards, and shunt into other vehicles by jabbing it left or right. This feels intuitive and works surprisingly well. You can throw in button presses to pull off flashier moves, which adds depth and almost manages to make up for the fact the combat is referred to as "Car-Fu" throughout the game.

'Wii Roundup' Screenshot 3

Speed Racer is set on the planet Epilepsy.

Stunting and shunting fills up your boost meter, as does driving over the many speed pads littered around. Save up four boosts, and pressing B four times will send you into The Zone. This means you'll zoom along at super-high speeds, bashing anything in your path off the track. Best of all, your car turns to glowing golden jelly, green and silver sparkles spin psychedically through the air, and everything else turns a bright, pulsating, brain-trembling purple. It makes Rainbow Road look like the M4.

It doesn't take long to master the combat moves, and it's easy to unlock all the tracks, characters and vehicles within an afternoon; don't expect anything like the challenge and complexity of WipEout or F-Zero. The multiplayer won't ever hold a candle to Mario Kart, either, and it's only for two players. But if you should spot Speed Racer in a bargain bin, and fancy a few hours of simple, entertaining arcade racing, it's worth a look.

6/10

Sports Party

At last, croquet comes to the Wii! It's just one of nine mini-games which comprise Sports Party (except they're really just four mini-games wearing different hats, but more of that later).

Have no fear, Sports Party has nothing in common with the abominable Game Party. Well, "nothing" is a bit strong; they've both got the word "Party" in the title, and they both represent a waste of the time of every single individual involved in their creation. But the former is published by Ubisoft and is merely piss poor; the latter is published by Midway and is less enjoyable than drinking piss. Then sicking it up. Then washing your hair in it.

Plus, Sports Party has better production values (the fact Sports Party has production values is an improvement over Game Party, though). There's a nice tiki theme to the whole thing. The visuals are relatively decent, with a fair amount of detail and animations that aren't completely wretched. The steel drum-infused soundtrack makes you want a pina colada.

But what of the games? Why, they are rubbish, of course. The true test of any sports-themed Wii mini-game compilation is its Wii Sports tennis rip-off, and this one wears a badminton hat. It's rotten. Immediately after a player serves, the camera swings round from behind their character to take an overview of the court - even though the shuttlecock is still in motion. This is extremely disorienting and makes it hard to time your return accurately. The problem is compounded by the fact you don't have the extra second of thinking time afforded by the bounce in Wii Sports tennis. The volleyball mini-game is badminton dressed up differently, and suffers from the same stupid camera thing.

Quite why Ubisoft decided to revive the olden days sports of horseshoes and lawn darts is anyone's guess, but here they are. It's hard to imagine throwing rusty bits of metal at another bit of metal was all that much fun in 1848 and it's certainly no more fun today, though you are less likely to die of tetanus. You just press B and make a throwing gesture to chuck the horseshoes, and it's hard to believe the game is really measuring the motion or strength of your movements; so any success you enjoy feels like pot luck. The lawn darts mini-game is horsehoes with a hat on, and just as entertaining i.e. not very.

But ah, the croquet! Or as it's more commonly known, polo for people who are too poor to own horses but too posh for Swingball. I've never played the real thing, preferring to spend my time dancing, drinking, smoking some fags, playing some pool and watching roaches climb the wall. So I do not understand the rules and cannot tell you if this is an accurate virtual interpretation of the sport. It's quite relaxing though and you can choose what colour balls you want.

'Wii Roundup' Screenshot 4

Sports Party, Game Party... Pah. Ain't no party like an S-Club Party! Apart from the British National Party etc.

The mechanic is the same as that used in the mini-golf game - hold your remote pointing downwards, and swing it like a mallet / club. You have to ensure the remote is perfectly straight and aligned with the floor, which is annoying, especially if you're on your fourth pina colada of the afternoon. And the game isn't brilliant at judging the strength of your swing. However, the mini-golf courses are nicely designed, and certainly more interesting to play around on than Wii Sports golf's tedious old rolling hills.

And finally, there are three basketball games. Not six, as the main menu cheekily implies; just the same three games on two different courts. Someone ought to call Trading Standards. All the games are rubbish due to the fact the mechanic of flicking the remote doesn't work properly. As with horse darts, it feels any points you score are down to luck.

There are other problems with Sports Party. The instructions preceding each game are over-complicated, absent of any visuals and for some reason presented in capitalised font, Which Makes Them Odd To Read And Is Very Annoying Let Me Tell You. They're likely to put off non-gamers who just want to wave a remote around without worrying about super-spikes and scoring systems.

But the main issues are the limited selection of mini-games, and the fact none of them are much fun. There aren't really nine games here, whatever the back of the box might say; you're really getting horse darts, volleyminton, crogolf and basketballbasketballbasketball. They're all lazily designed and won't entertain anyone for more than a handful of goes.

It could be worse; it could be Game Party. I described that as being like "a party where there's nothing to drink but Tesco Value brandy and there are only four other guests and they're all racist then your ex turns up and gets off with a Danish supermodel". This is like a party where the brandy is at least from Sainsbury's mid-price range, and the four guests are thinking about voting Conservative because it's time for a change actually, and your ex turns up with some CDs you left behind and you have a nice chat about how work's going. Still. You wouldn't pay 19.99 to go to that party either, would you?

3/10

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Comments (89) Latest comment 3 years ago

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  • Tonka #1 3 years ago

    Sounds GREAT! I'll take two
  • PlugMonkey #2 3 years ago

    EG should do an expose (gutter journalism style!) on how much rubbish there is on the wii atm. Nintendo fanboys might not like it but if its in the interests of good games on the system it is worth doing.

    I'd be fairly surprised if the shit to good ratio was any different from either of the other two consoles.

    They should do a The Bill movie set in the future, where Sunhill is a small planet and Burnside has a cybernetic arm.

    That would rock more than I can put into words.
  • pjmaybe #3 3 years ago

    /agrees with PatAU

    Not sure it was a wise idea to namecheck the BNP in the photo tags though...still, great roundup. Looking at the release scheds for the Wii between now and christmas, you could do one of these roundups every week and still not break an average score for the lot of more than 4/10
  • kangarootoo #4 3 years ago

    What the hell is wrong with the Wii?!?!

    The console itself is ace, and the first party titles are always well turned out, but the third party market seems to almost entirely consist and dross.

    I STILL haven't bought a Wii for exactly this reason, and I bloody want one too. I keep getting so damn close, but then I look at how decent many games are available and I just can't justify the spend for Okami and not much else. And people complain about the lack of PS3 games out there!

    Someone give me a list of ten Wii games (not including the various Wii sports and play titles that get bundled) that are actually worth the money, please.
  • Razzajazz #5 3 years ago

    Ellie, once again, a bloody hilarious savaging of crappy Wii games! Long may they continue!
  • CapnCloudchaser #6 3 years ago

    I'm not sure why people don't buy Wii's or sell their Wii's because of third party titles. You don't have to buy them, and I don't think buying a Wii is in direct support of them. Unless you need the money, I don't understand why you'll sell it either. There are other good games on the system and more will be developed in the future. I don't understand why people panic so much :o
  • peteb #7 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    Don't do it! I want rid of mine, i want out! And I've already played all the good games.

    I've never regretted owning a console as much as the Wii so far. :(
  • JohnnyWashnGo #8 3 years ago

    Why would you sell your Wii for Gods sake?
    Just because a glut of shite comes out for it doesn't make all the good games suddenly bad.
    They could release a thousand crappy sports/driving/quiz games and would still keep the console so that I can play Metroid and Mario.

    I never understand people who sell their consoles in protest - it seem really quite immature.
  • peteb #9 3 years ago

    I'm not selling it in protest, I'm selling it for the money.

    I'm going to put that money to buying a different console, because I don't like it.
  • Weezer #10 3 years ago

    (sigh) So the usual array of SHITE for the Wii then. This is starting to become a bit of a trend...
  • Xerx3s #11 3 years ago

  • spazmo #12 3 years ago

    "Someone give me a list of ten Wii games (not including the various Wii sports and play titles that get bundled) that are actually worth the money, please."

    Hate myself for this but here you go.
    Here's some games i've enjoyed:

    Mario Galaxy
    Wario Land Shake
    Fire Emblem
    Zelda TP
    Okami
    Zack & Wiki
    Mario Kart
    Smash Bros
    Super Paper Mario
    No More Heroes
    Battallion Wars
    Excite Truck
    Trauma Center
    PES
    Metroid Prime
    Endless Ocean
    Resident Evil UC
    MLB Power Pros

    If you don't like them? Well you've got 2 other choices.
  • kangarootoo #13 3 years ago

    @CapnCloudchaser

    "I'm not sure why people don't buy Wii's or sell their Wii's because of third party titles."

    Because 3rd party titles always form the majority of games available on any platform. Why would I buy a console if there are insufficient decent games on it? Hey, if you have that list of 10 good games tucked in your back pocket, please do dig it out and post it here (though peteb's slightly comical plea has pretty much got me won over, so your work is cut out for you).
  • JonFE #14 3 years ago

    kangarootoo, I'd recommend (in no particular order) Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Okami, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption,
    Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure, Boom Blox, Mario Kart, WarioWare: Smooth Moves, LostWinds along with Super Paper Mario, No More Heroes, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (if they float your boat) and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4 if you haven't played them already.

    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 14:43
  • kangarootoo #15 3 years ago

    @spazmo

    Nice one. I shall investigate. I already have the other two choices, but there are a few games on the Wii that I can't get elsewhere (Okami was asking for the Wii to come along really). However, I don't want to buy one and play the few games I've had my eye on, only to find that is all there is. I shall investigate your list and see where that leaves me.
  • Murbal #16 3 years ago

    My wife would appreciate the Gok Wan joke.
  • peteb #17 3 years ago

    Ahh don't listen to me, I'm just a pessimistic prick. Maybe the quality of the third party releases will pick up next year or later and then I'll regret selling it. But for now I want the money to go towards a PS3. I already have a 360, and having all 3 consoles is a bit too much for the missus anyway, so it makes sense to sell the Wii since its never on.
  • kangarootoo #18 3 years ago

    @JonFE

    Cheers also. I know already that SSB isn't my bag, but there are some others in there that might be food for thought. If I did go for one it would probably be post Xmas (the older you get, the more you seem to spend at Xmas in my experience) so there might even be a few more worthy items out there by then.
  • spazmo #19 3 years ago

    Yes, it has no more good games coming out for it and Kart and smash bros were complete and utter tosh.

    /cuckoo
  • JonFE #20 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    It would be hard to give you a list of enjoyable Wii games without SSBB present, since my 9-year-old son spends more time on that than any other game since late June.

    I understand, of course, that the choices of a 9-year-old should not necessarily reflect my own - but he is certainly enjoying handing my arse back to me every time we brawl against each other :)
    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 14:55
  • kangarootoo #21 3 years ago

    @JonFE

    Now you see, if you sold your Wii and took him on hand to hand, your sucess rate would no doubt rocket ;)
  • presh #22 3 years ago

    Ellie, your writing skills make rubbish things seem awesomely rubbish in an amusing way. Brilliant!
  • Zander #23 3 years ago

    The wii doesn't get enough flak. Everyone is too busy giving nintendo a hand shandy to actually realise that the wii isn't the best thing since sliced bread. Crappy, novel control system that doesn't work properly (hence an expensive add on), expensive console (it's basically a gamecube with a higher rated cpu) and shite games (unless you want to play a mario/zelda game).

    I own all 3 consoles and have hardly played the wii. Only makes an appearance when friends want to play it. Bad Nintendo!
  • aine #24 3 years ago

    What the hell is wrong with the Wii?!?!

    The console itself is ace, and the first party titles are always well turned out, but the third party market seems to almost entirely consist and dross.


    well, since you asked.
    the wii opened up gaming to a lot of people who wouldn't have touched it before. which i would generally consider a good thing. BUT those people are also not very likely to read reviews in magazines or on the internet, so shite like Carnival Games can ride high in the charts for weeks off the back of a few tv adverts and maybe promotional features in non-gaming publications. other publishers see this success and realise that they, too, can make money out of a shoddy game that took fuck-all effort to make. and they do.
  • Tonka #25 3 years ago

    Jesus wept. So people without a Wii feel so violated by some shit games that they have to drag their sorry asses into a Wii thread and moan. At least make some funny jokes about it. Look at Ellie, she has to play those shit games and she still manage to write something that is worth reading.
  • gerg #26 3 years ago

    People really seem to believe that shovelware started with the Wii, don't they? God, it's like people get amnesia of previous gaming history every time a new generation starts.

    Seriously, crap shovelware games litter every leading console. It's also true that when third parties bother to put effort into their Wii projects, the results are usually good. What's the problem?
  • rotmm #27 3 years ago

    @PlugMonkey, "I'd be fairly surprised if the shit to good ratio was any different from either of the other two consoles."

    You would, but a quick check at Metacritic tells a slightly different story. While it is slighly skewed because it's hard to take out VC, Live Arcade and PSN titles (so I haven't bothered), I've worked on the basis that games with a score of 80-100 can be considered "good", 50-79 "average) and below 50 as shovelware. In reality, a score of 50% should equal "average", but we all know that most game mags and sites don't work on that policy.

    Anyway, the breakdown:

    Wii (80-100) 27, (50-79) 169, (0-49) 57 - Total 253
    360 (80-100) 107, (50-79) 296, (0-49) 44 - Total 447
    PS3 (80-100) 63, (50-79) 122, (0-49) 11 - Total 196

    So what that actually gives you is remarkable parity in percentages of games that fall within the "average" range, with the Wii at 66.8%, 360 at 66.22% and PS3 at 62.24%.

    Where it gets interesting is that only 10.67% is Wii games score an average of 80% or more. Compare that to the 360 with 23.94% and it looks bad indeed. The PS3 is the clear winner here with 32.14% of games scoring over 80%.

    At the other end of the scale you have only 5.61% of PS3 titles scoring 49% and below, 9.84% of 360 titles doing the same, but a massive 22.53% of Wii titles falling into the shovelware department.

    And when you take in account that over half of the 360 titles in that range are Live Arcade titles, it makes it even worse for the Wii as the vast majority for that platfom are retail boxed products.

    I hope this helps you be surprised. :)
  • IronCladChicken #28 3 years ago

    @gerg
    "People really seem to believe that shovelware started with the Wii, don't they?"

    These people have names y'know!!! - Their called Xbox360 owners.
  • kangarootoo #29 3 years ago

    "So people without a Wii feel so violated by some shit games that they have to drag their sorry asses into a Wii thread and moan"

    Yeah, and a previously cheeful internet is all ruined as a result.

    I wonder whether moaning in a thread about people moaning in a thread is ironic or just odd?


    "Seriously, crap shovelware games litter every leading console. It's also true that when third parties bother to put effort into their Wii projects, the results are usually good. What's the problem?"

    Well first off, I've been around long enough to know it hasn't always been this way. And secondly, the other two platforms aren't suffering the same problem, so the comparison stands.
  • dr_faulk #30 3 years ago

    I bet Sports Party isn't as good as Lemon Party.
  • Zander #31 3 years ago

    ""People really seem to believe that shovelware started with the Wii, don't they?"

    These people have names y'know!!! - Their called Xbox360 owners."

    I don't think anyone moaning about the wii's high level of shovel ware mentioned any of the other consoles at all.

    Get off your high horse for godsake. People don't have to be fan boys to comment on a lack of quality software on ANY of the consoles.
  • gerg #32 3 years ago

    kangarootoo: You deny the huge volumes of shovelware that has littered the PS2, SNES and NES? Jesus.

    Furthermore, I said "leading console". Not only that, but as most major developers are too afraid and/or lazy to try something new and different on the Wii (or the PS3 or Xbox 360 for that matter), they gladly place their AAA titles on the PS3 and Xbox 360.

    Third party support for the Wii is pretty rubbish, and is ever so slowly improving. However, it is rubbish because third parties choose to ignore the system, and not because of petty shovelware.
  • kinky_mong #33 3 years ago

    Well I bought a Wii purely for Smash Bros (with Mario Galaxy, Metroid and Okami all being nice bonuses) and I'm still ploughing through it when I'm not on the 360. The future looks bleak apart from a few titles but I've got a large enough backlog of games to go through that it doesn't bother me.

    I did find Lost Winds a huge let down though after the hype. Felt ripped off even though technically I didn't pay anything for it (used the whole swapping Nintendo stars for Wii points thing). Should have got Mario RPG! Bah.
  • Nikanoru #34 3 years ago

    The wii doesn't get enough flak.



    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • Frandroid #35 3 years ago

    @ JonFE

    Glad I'm not the only one ketting his ass kicked on a regular basis by a nine year old.
  • kangarootoo #36 3 years ago

    @gerg

    I suspect you are going to start splitting hairs with me between percentages and actual numbers. The PS2 may have had a few thousand shite games, but it had equal numbers of good ones, certainly more good games than I could reasonably play and still have any kind of tan.

    The rest of your post goes on about third parties ignoring the system, and developers being lazy etc. Without sounding like an ass, I just don't care about the excuses.

    People seem to do this all the time on pages like these. Someone levels a critism, and someone else responds with "yeah, but that is only because..." as if having an excuse somehow changes the fabric of reality.

    "This cheese grater is no use as a submarine"
    "Yeah, but that is only 'cos its full of holes"
    "Errr, I don't really care about that, I just don't want to drown"

    I'm not a fanboy or any platform, as I'm sure I don't have to point out. And I think the Wii is a great machine, with some awesome and fantastic games on it. But there just (seemingly) isn't ENOUGH good games on it to warrant a purchase by me.

    I don't care why this is unless the knowing of the why also brings a solution, and I don't really care what percentage of SNES games also sucked balls. All I care about is that I find it hard to justify the purchase of a Wii, 'cos I know one month later it will be gathering dust unless something changes. I find this annoying, as there are games on the Wii that I want to play, but I can't really justify forking out £240 (console + 2 games) just to play 2 games.

    That is how it is.
  • Apologie #37 3 years ago

    what is a WII??? is it an electric toothbrush??? a fitness machine??? what??? never heard of it... you kids
    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 16:19
  • Krelle #38 3 years ago

  • Zander #39 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    Totally agree with you there.
  • mingster #40 3 years ago

    Boomblox is the only game i've played on the wii that i thought wow you need a wii controller to play that.
    Plus its a genuinely fun original game thats not on any other platforms.
    Other than that i haven't played anything thats worth getting on the wii except maybe mario galaxy.
  • Apologie #41 3 years ago

    WII sucks bad... last generation hardware with childish games... nop, not for me at least, oh and by the way, the only truly next gen/revolutionary system in market are neither the Pc or the Xbox (wich are structurally the same, with the Xbox only being a medium/low spec gaming Pc), the Ps3 "with it's new revolutionary/architecture", its the only next gen system.
    But i must admit that all all of thouse (xbox, ps3 and pc) are great for true gamers.
    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 16:27
  • anomagnus #42 3 years ago

    the wii isnt for us, its not a games machines, lets be real.

    its a novelty toy for the front room, THAT CAN ALSO PLAY GAMES.

  • kangarootoo #43 3 years ago

    @Krelle

    Insert "joke about your mum" of your choice here.


    @anomagnus

    But again, I don't care about the definitions of games or not games. I'm all for novelty toys for the living room, if they are fun fun fun. You seem to have some other agenda, driven by some sense of elitist purity in gaming. Its fair to say I don't share that agenda.

    We seriously just keep getting bogged down in all the unimportant stuff. The definition of the Wii isn't important, and the reasons why 3rd party games often blow isn't important, and how many shit games there was on the Atari 2600 isn't important.

    I just want a decent number of fun games (or whatever you want to call them) on the Wii. Is that too much to ask?
  • ajiuk #44 3 years ago

    That is the funniest thing I've read for a good while
  • hahayou #45 3 years ago

    I like the sound of horse darts. Are you riding the horses, using them as targets or throwing them? All three = SOLD
  • smelly #46 3 years ago

    My mate bob's gardeners best mate sold his wii because crap games get released that somehow he was forced to buy.

    He couldnt help himself, every time he saw a bad game review he rushed out and bought it.. And then was dismayed that it was crap.

    His mate of a mate of mate of an ex room mate also sold his for the same reason.

    He didnt buy anything good for the machine.. Only tripe.. Thats why he sold it.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #47 3 years ago

    I really enjoy those round ups. Thank you Ellie!
  • Amicus #48 3 years ago

  • PlugMonkey #49 3 years ago

    rotmm - I'm fairly surprised! Look --> -.^

    I wonder how the DS compares?

    Mingster: Boomblox is the only game i've played on the wii that i thought wow you need a wii controller to play that.

    That's the first Wii game I've played that really gives the impression the developers designed a game around what the Wii controller IS really good at detecting as opposed what they thought it SHOULD be really good at detecting. Good job to them, and my highest admiration and praise.

    Edit: Upping my surprised level from 'mildly' to 'fairly'. I really am! I'm fairly surprised! I'm going to add 'lightly shocked' and 'reasonably saddened' into the mix as well.
    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 17:55
  • DanWhitehead #50 3 years ago

    You would, but a quick check at Metacritic tells a slightly different story. While it is slighly skewed because it's hard to take out VC, Live Arcade and PSN titles (so I haven't bothered), I've worked on the basis that games with a score of 80-100 can be considered "good", 50-79 "average) and below 50 as shovelware. In reality, a score of 50% should equal "average", but we all know that most game mags and sites don't work on that policy...

    Sites like Metacritic are fine for getting an overview of the critical reception for a particular title, but the data really doesn't support this kind of analysis. For one thing, a great number of the 70-80% games from the 360 and PS3 lists are also available on the Wii, but won't show up on the reviews sites because most of them - like Eurogamer - review whichever copy of a multiformat game they get sent, which is almost always the 360 and sometimes the PS3.

    This makes it look like the Wii has a small number of great games, and a vast amount of shite, without the "pretty good" middle ground that keeps most gamers happy between the truly fantastic games. And it's not true. There are plenty of those games on the Wii, they just don't get as much coverage in the specialist press because they've already covered them on one of the other two consoles.
  • gerg #51 3 years ago

    @gerg

    "I suspect you are going to start splitting hairs with me between percentages and actual numbers. The PS2 may have had a few thousand shite games, but it had equal numbers of good ones, certainly more good games than I could reasonably play and still have any kind of tan."

    That's not the point. I said, all leading systems have had masses of shovelware. Therefore, the fact that we are seeing tons on the Wii is no surprise, except that it is noticed more because of crap support from the third-parties that count.

    "The rest of your post goes on about third parties ignoring the system, and developers being lazy etc. Without sounding like an ass, I just don't care about the excuses."

    What excuses? The Wii is a great system on which to sell software, because, guess what, the software sells great (or no worse than on other systems). There are certainly reasons, therefore, why most developers are happy to leave all this cash on the table.

    "I don't care why this is unless the knowing of the why also brings a solution, and I don't really care what percentage of SNES games also sucked balls. All I care about is that I find it hard to justify the purchase of a Wii, 'cos I know one month later it will be gathering dust unless something changes. I find this annoying, as there are games on the Wii that I want to play, but I can't really justify forking out £240 (console + 2 games) just to play 2 games."

    Fine, you don't want to purchase a Wii. I get that and I don't care any more about such a fact. All I'm saying is that I don't see why it is so amazing that there is a lot of shovelware on the Wii, and that the lack of great games has nothing to do with shovelware at all.
    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 18:02
  • rotmm #52 3 years ago

    @DanWhitehead,

    I understand the point you are trying to make, but to me it doesn't actually make sense at all. Are you stating that there's dozens of good Wii games that just aren't getting reviewed and therefore don't show up on Metacritic? If that's the case, then I'm struggling to think of any.

    Could you give examples of such titles?
  • Chufty #53 3 years ago

    Entertaining roundup, good form Ellie. Apart fromt he paedophile joke.
  • neonemesis #54 3 years ago

    Haven't all these games been out for ages now anyway? I think its too late to save those who saw them on the shelves and thought, "this looks good"...
  • aine #55 3 years ago

    So you're saying paedophiles are not as hateful as a video game?, I hope you never have kids, some fucked up logic right there.

    or, perhaps, exaggeration for comedic effect? yknow, like people do all the time
  • rotmm #56 3 years ago

    @PlugMonkey, "I wonder how the DS compares?"

    Better ;)

    I've just stuck a few things into a spreadsheet and will paraphrase here with the percentages, as well as overall software titles reviewed (in brackets) at Metacritic. Breakdown is the same, with 80-100% denoting good, 50-79% average and below 50% as poor.

    Wii (253) 10.67% 66.80% 22.53%
    360 (447) 23.94% 66.22% 9.84%
    PS3 (196) 32.14% 62.24% 5.61%
    GC (502) 25.30% 66.73% 7.97%
    Xbx (856) 25.58% 64.84% 9.58%
    PS2 (1564) 20.33% 71.04% 8.63%
    DS (470) 12.34% 71.06% 16.60%
    PSP (389) 15.68% 76.61% 7.71%

    So yes, the DS doesn't do all that well against the PSP and looks worse against the other consoles. I was surprised at the PS2 scores, as the more titles released means one would expect more shovelware. Also, the Gamecube scores show that decision by developers to throw shit at the Nintendo consoles is a recent one.

    Where the blame lies for that I cannot say. Opportunistic developers, or lack of tools and clear focus from Nintendo?
  • Apologie #57 3 years ago

    the WII was originaly a concept/prototype dildo...
    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 19:06
  • Stuz359 #58 3 years ago

    Just an interesting point about the Wii though. The average development time for most good games is at least 18-24 months.
    The Wii's sales have surprised everyone, including Nintendo. Could it be feasible that after the success the Wii is enjoying in terms of sales, a lot of developers suddenly took notice and are now developing a bunch of great games for the Wii?
    I mean, EA is the largest third party publisher and they have only just started to take the Wii seriously, give everyone else a chance to catch up.
  • smelly #59 3 years ago

    @Stuz359: Yeah.. that PART WAY explains it. The other explanation is that publishers see shit like carnival games selling and decide they want in on the action. And dont give the dev teams enough time to polish the games properly.


    That said.. I *STILL* dont get why gamers get upset at bad games - or see them as a reason to sell their machine (yeah right - translation - it's a 360 owner!).. There's still PLENTY of good wii games out there (or cheap excellent cube games for that matter).. No-one forces you to buy the bad games - that's kinda the point of reviews!

    Edited by 1 at 03/09/08 @ 21:22
  • kangarootoo #60 3 years ago

    @gerg

    I seem to have pissed you off in some way. Apologies.

    Regards some of your recent points, I don't recall taking the subject onto shovelware myself. How much shovelware there is on the Wii is not really a concern to me. All I am concerned about is how many good games there are. I make little distinction between bad games that I won't buy, and games that don't exist. I simply care about the good games that I will buy, and from my (perhaps uninformed) perspective (though I have been asking to be informed all along) there aren't really enough as yet.


    @Coin-Op

    Seriously man, did you really not see the joke. Jokes are not always tasteful, but you did at least SEE the joke, right?


    @smelly

    First off, stop joining the minority that are trying to make this a fanboy issue with your "360 owner" comments. It. Is. Not.

    Secondly, the reason people sell a console because of bad games, is so they can put the money toward something else that will better entertain them (perhaps a different console, perhaps a pair of ice skates, who knows). The entire point I have been making (or at least the question I have been raising) is that ISN'T plenty of good games out there. If there were, I would most likely own a Wii right now.

    I don't much care for anecdotal evidence, but in the absence of any other it will do the job. And my anecdotal evidence is that every friend I have who owns a Wii AND another console says that they barely play their Wii these days. And of the friends that ONLY own a Wii, they are playing the same few games in a different situation (i.e. with their families, including their kids) and barely ever buy a new title.

    Now maybe my second set of friends are the core Wii audience and I'm not. But like I said right at the start, I'm not much interested in the excuses, I'm just disappointed that I can't justify a Wii purchase to myself. That is all.
  • figaro7 #61 3 years ago

    Good to see they enjoyed speed racer as much as i did and a 6/10 is spot on the mark! Its a pitty theres some control glitches and the game doesnt last that long.
  • J.C #62 3 years ago

    Third party software is killing the wii. but i blame nintendo for that, for allowing this shit on their machine in the first place.
  • secombe #63 3 years ago

    Why do Eurogamer insist on reviewing this stuff which is clearly always going to be shite? You don't generally review all the dross that hits the 360 or DS etc.

    How about Tiger Woods? How about some of the games the sort of people who visit this site might actually be interested in?
  • Darren #64 3 years ago

    Got to agree with PatAU and as a Wii owner myself that the Wii has far too much tat. In many respects it really is this generation's PS2 in terms of shovelware, only it has less good games IMO. My Wii gets used rarely these days as there's very little of interest on the platform and it doesn't look like the rest of 2008 will be any different either. A real shame really as I love Nintendo's games, shame there aren't more of them. :(
  • jwerner #65 3 years ago

    Hilarious! More reviews like this please!
  • shoots #66 3 years ago

    They should be reported to trading standards for creating shat like this.

    If they release trackmania nations on the wii, that will make it the ultimate console imo, if not i'll probably end up selling it and going back to CS:S
  • wonk #67 3 years ago

    Third party software is killing the wii. but i blame nintendo for that, for allowing this shit on their machine in the first place.
    To be fair to nintendo, they used to be criticised from too much quality control that restricted third parties, so they got rid of most of the hoops devs had to jump through (Nintendo platforms are now the easiest to get a game published on).

    Personally I think the should relaunch and improve the old "Nintendo Seal of Quality" thingee, putting it on the front of boxes for third party titles that meet some stringent quality standards (boom blox, not carnival games etc.). For the NES and SNES this is how they dealt with the problem, why not do so again?
  • Raya #68 3 years ago

    Well if you round up shovelware you get this as the result. EG have scrapped them together - I mean Speedracer is nearly 6 months old. Nice for a laugh but why bother?
  • kangarootoo #69 3 years ago

    "Personally I think the should relaunch and improve the old "Nintendo Seal of Quality" thingee"

    I've never followed Ninty's previous systems that closely, so I'd not heard of that. But it sounds (on paper at least) like a fine idea.

    Quality is always a tough one to judge mind.

    A platform holder has various rules on what can be released on their hardware (TRCs for Sony, and something almost identical sounding for MS) but afaik they are just technical requirements (in fact, I believe that is what the T and R stand for respectively).

    Putting in rules along the lines of "must not be shit" is extremely risky, and potentially costly to enforce. Technical requirements can be checked by any competant QA staff member, but issues of game quality need someone with a qualified eye to make the call ('cos they won't just be judging what they find fun, but what the target audience finds fun).

    Publishers working with indie devs do that all the time (and sometimes demonstrate quite admirably the damage that can done by an unqualified person in charge of the purse strings), but it is tougher for a platform holder that isn't actually funding a project to justify passing the same judgements.
  • SEVQA #70 3 years ago

    I almost picked up Ford Off Road the other day to have something else for the wheel add on! I wonder has anyone here played it! And is really as bad as what Ellie's round up was!

    I mean to compare a game with paedophiles is a new one!
  • Tonka #71 3 years ago

    If you need Nintendo to tell you that "Off Road" is a shit game you deserve to buy "Off Road".
    There is no reason to buy a shit game in this day and age. So that Seal of Quality is no longer needed.

    And why would Nintendo stop publishers from trying to make money? Don't try to tell me the shovelware and the shit games on the Wii, of which there are many, are ruining their business. From where I'm sitting the Wii is a runaway success, shit games or not.

    Plus there are good games coming out for it. Yes, there are no traditional "hardcore" games like Gears of War or GTAIV. But that is hardly Nintendos fault. Reggis has repeatedly said that he would love a GTA on the Wii. Just like the DS is getting one.
  • SEVQA #72 3 years ago

    Yeah, I actually wanted to hear from you guys actually! As Ford Off Road is a mid priced range game, and its just that in my opinion it should be taken into context. (As a full blown full priced release is it shit: Yes by the sounds of it, But as a cheap budget title is it at all worth it!) HAS ANYONE HERE PLAYED IT?
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/08 @ 15:34
  • kangarootoo #73 3 years ago

    Oh I dispair.

    Its just no good saying "you don't have to buy bad games" if there aren't enough good games out there. If all the games that are shit were good, the number of good games are available would increase, so there would be more choice. Like I said before, I make no distinction between bad games and non-existent games 'cos the result is the same. If not buying bad games means not buying many games, that kind of sucks.

    "Plus there are good games coming out for it"

    But not enough of them compared to other platforms. That is what I see looking at the press, that is what my Wii owning friends tell me, and that is what about half of the posters on here have been telling me. Some people were good enough to supply lists of their top games and I am delighted they are finding value in their purchase, but if only half of the games on their lists appeal to me, and those good games represent all that have been made available since the Wii hit the shops, that just isn't enough. Not enough for me personaly, which lets face it is all I care about.


    "Don't try to tell me the shovelware and the shit games on the Wii, of which there are many, are ruining their business. From where I'm sitting the Wii is a runaway success, shit games or not. "

    Nintendo themselves would admit that the success of the Wii is that they make profit on the console itself. It they lost money on the console and only made money on the games (like most consoles) it would be a roaring shit storm.

    So that does that mean in real terms? That the Wii is a success for Nintendo (applause from me to them, well done Nintendo) but its success as a revenue generator means nothing to me as a gamer.

    Honestly, how did the Wii's profitibility creep into this discussion? How, as a gamer trying to decide on a purchase, are Nintendo's cashflow spreadsheets supposed to mean anything whatsoever to me?
  • kangarootoo #74 3 years ago

    It just occurred to me, a vital point that is perhaps skewing my view of things.

    I already own both an XB360 and a PS3, so when I look at whether the Wii is worth buying, I am only factoring in exclusive titles (or titles that do something unique and different on the Wii). Cross platform titles with similar gameplay models (such as Guitar Hero) don't feature in my mental list.

    Though I should mention that, to give some context to my grump.
  • secombe #75 3 years ago

    A novel idea, maybe. But for those moaning about the Wii not having enough good games to justify a purchase, how about not buying it and completely ignoring it? I don’t see why pointless ‘amusing’ reviews of old games gets you into a rage. There are lots of great games on the Wii, many of which have been listed by others in this thread, if you don’t like any of them or enough of them to justify a Wii purchase, there are always 2 other consoles out there to satisfy your needs. I’m still playing Mario Galaxy, PES 2008, Mario Kart and Ghost Squad (and Burnout 2 for GC), I knew when I bought the console that it would offer short sharp blasts of entertaining games (I thought this much was obvious) and as I don’t have a great deal of free time, I thought it would be ideal…I was right.

    I like my cars hard and firm and with plenty of feedback for trackdays, I don’t go on Vauxhall Astra Estate Diesel forums moaning that the car isn’t suitable for my needs. See my logic?!
  • kangarootoo #76 3 years ago

    Yes.

    I'm shutting up now, lest I labour my point too much (oops, too late).
  • smelly #77 3 years ago

    BUT.. Reviews of bad games PROVE there's no good games on the wii.. Not even the good ones...
  • smelly #78 3 years ago

    @kanga : "I already own both an XB360 and a PS3, so when I look at whether the Wii is worth buying, I am only factoring in exclusive titles"

    So if you only count exclusives - where are all these millions of great exclusive ps3 titles (or 360 for that matter)?

    EDIT: Dont know this for sure.. and cant be arsed to find out. But im pretty sure that the wii has MORE higher scoring exclusvies than either ther ps3 or 360...
    Edited by 1 at 04/09/08 @ 21:08
  • smelly #79 3 years ago

    Its just occurred to me..

    I *loved* bioshock and COD4, I consider them to be 2 of the best games of the last year.. But yet i havent played either since completing them.

    .. I still pick up mario kart every so often for a blast mind..

    Maybe my "gamer mentality" is more geared towards "pick up and play" games? With that in mind, trying to decide whether i want to download mario rpg :-)

  • paavopaavo #80 3 years ago

    All the games sound like utter shit and I wouldn't take them for free but the reviews per se were fantastic. Couple of times I actually laughed out loud (especially to the ending of the Sports Party-review, brilliant stuff!).
  • Tonka #81 3 years ago

    @Kanga regarding Honestly, how did the Wii's profitibility creep into this discussion?
    You brought it up. What I was referring to was the install base.

    Anyways. I see now that you have both a 360 and a PS3 so you should be more than catered for when it comes to games. What I don't understand is why you still feel let down by Nintendo? Why can't they do their thing in peace? For me the Wii is more than enough.It is going after a different style of play but it is also attracting traditional games. So if I find the time, I will have plenty of fleshed out single player games to play.l I wish I had the time to play all the games that are coming out for the HD(ish) consoles but I don't even have enough for the Wii.

    I hope you are not one of the "The Wii will ruin gaming" people.
  • neonemesis #82 3 years ago

    Hilarious review! Torn to shreds just as they deserve to be. I mean, nobody was going to take these games seriously were they?
  • kangarootoo #83 3 years ago

    Oh ok, I've been dragged back into the discussion.

    "You brought it up. What I was referring to was the install base"

    Really? Jesus, I can't be arsed to trawl back through this thread and see what I wrote. So I'll just take your word for it and apologise for making no sense.

    I don't feel let down by anyone. I'm really not that precious. I shall reiterate my original statement. "I want to buy a Wii, as there are some games on it that I really want to play, but I can't justify the spend as most sources suggest that it will end up gathering dust". Its not some complex agenda, I was simply expressing a bit of frustration along the lines of "why are so many 3rd party games on the Wii utter bobbins?".

    "I hope you are not one of the "The Wii will ruin gaming" people". Certainly not. Nay, nay and thrice nay. I think the Wii is awesome, and the first party software is generally very good too. Its just the overall lack of quality software that bugs me.
  • Tonka #84 3 years ago

    Then all is well.
    I must have had you mistaken for someone else.
  • rotmm #85 3 years ago

    @smelly "EDIT: Dont know this for sure.. and cant be arsed to find out. But im pretty sure that the wii has MORE higher scoring exclusvies than either ther ps3 or 360...

    Well, if you count total exclusives (ie: not on any other platform) then it's close I suppose. But if you count exclusives as either on the Wii and not on any other platform, or on the 360 or PS3 and not on the Wii, then not so much.

    But just as an example, there are 31 pure 360 exclusives that score 80% or more, but only 27 Wii games in total that score 80% or more. Once you take out the multiplatform Wii titles, that goes down to 18 titles... which is 2 less than the PS3.

    So again..... you're wrong ;)
  • darc #86 3 years ago

    Without having read the many comments which probably say the same more or less...

    Will there ever be another Wii game that even warrants its own review, let alone a positive one?
  • canIdoyabombsforya #87 3 years ago

    "I'm not sure why people don't buy Wii's or sell their Wii's because of third party titles. You don't have to buy them,"

    13 year olds who need street cred.
  • Dafridge #88 3 years ago

    Glad to see the Paedophile line has been altered. No excuse for shoddy journalism.
  • SEVQA #89 3 years ago

    I bet Garry Glitter plays Guitar Heroes III and I also bet he has voice com! Now how’s that for a thought!