Unreal Tournament III Review

By Tom Bramwell Published 21 December, 2007

Suck it down! Wait, that's the other one.

Version tested: PlayStation 3

Unreal Tournament III? The other ones were on the PC, Mr PS3 Consumer. Of course you know that (I've always liked you), but some won't. That's the point; it was huge on PC, and Epic and Sony know that PS3's spangly new online network and ferocious hardware is ideal for establishing it properly away from its usual digs. So if you are new, the premise is this: a multiplayer-focused first-person shooter that takes established concepts like deathmatch, team deathmatch, duels and capture the flag, aims to do them very well, and moulds them into tweaked alternatives to establish variety.

When he wrote about the PC release, Jim began with the "feel", and that seems like one of the two or three most important points of discussion between Unreal Tournament III on its home turf and this ambitious US Christmas release on Sony's latest shelf-bending entertainment obelisk. There are a few elements to this. First is the control layer, obviously - and Epic has given us options there, with Sixaxis control the default but support for a USB mouse and keyboard combination for purists.

Except surely purists will be playing it on the PC? Well, they probably should. Mouse and keyboard here feels a bit imprecise. It works, but side-by-side comparisons may concern the aforementioned purists who aren't reading this anyway, and strangely input's only active in-game, with menus having to be navigated by the regular pad (probably one of those TRC things). Fortunately the Sixaxis does a splendid job if you use it for everything. FPS games are tricky to get right on a console, and the fact Halo did so well on its first attempt is one of the main reasons that game is so revered by Xbox owners. UT3 is another good example, with options to tweak sensitivity and turn-acceleration. The Sixaxis' motion-sensing makes an appearance too but in a slightly throwaway implementation that I disabled fairly quickly. Another thing to note is that the server browser can be ordered to exclude keyboard-and-mouse battlers.

'Unreal Tournament III' Screenshot 1

The single-player mode has a ludicrous story which maps the absurd rules of competitive internet FPS to a sci-fi narrative. Very amusing.

The other part of the feedback loop Jim described to sum up feel is from the screen back to the player. Solid, chunky and fast, basically. Characters are like those in Epic's other colossus, Gears of War - there are certainly more than a few passing resemblances to Theron Guards, Locust troops and Marcus, Dom and Cole Train in how they appear and dress - and with that you're getting a feeling of gritty burliness when you're amongst other players, rather than the spindliness of some of the players you'd encounter in Resistance: Fall of Man or TimeSplitters. There's a fair amount to aim at, the sight of projectile impact (particularly the pacey rockets) is terrific, and everything you intend seems to happen with the ever so slightly absurd brutality Epic's last couple of releases have focused on. It's a bit like watching bodybuilders go paintballing, except the paintballs blow them into abstract husks of ribcage and improbable ketchup spills of lumpy organic refuse which disappear before any of it has a chance to corrupt your senses. There's certainly no Manhunt objection here - visually this is to real life warfare as Twiglets are to wood.

So we can say it feels good. It handles well, if you like. I had expected to go into bouts of the more complicated game modes like Vehicle CTF and Warfare - both of which we'll come to presently - with a certain amount of trepidation based on the typically different curve of difficulty on a pad-based FPS control scheme, but with the tweaks and success elsewhere in the loop it wasn't the case. A lot of that is to do with Epic's considerable talent for building arenas and a few sign-posting elements. Starting offline with the single-player campaign, you're given narrated overviews of each game mode as you begin, and there are trails of arrows to direct you between the significant objectives where it might otherwise be daunting. By the time you've conquered the first half-dozen tasks, any hint of trepidation has gone. It's certainly not that the computer-controlled bots give you an easy ride either - Epic's capture of talented AI designers early on in its life continues to pay off, with adversaries and team-mates who behave just as agreeably as most of the real-life players stumbling around online.

'Unreal Tournament III' Screenshot 2

The Necris vehicles are completely brilliant.

Vehicles, weapons, arenas, controls - it's all very intuitive, could probably survive without the added layers of instruction, and significantly still feels natural when the diversifications from standard multiplayer FPS modes and equipment are asked to work together. Warfare is a splendid mode - I always found the old Domination mode, where you simply fight to control capture-points as a team, rather dull, probably because I've a tendency to want to take full control of the scenario myself, but Warfare doesn't present this problem because everyone 'gets' it quickly, and the dynamics of each element are engaging.

The idea is to capture, reinforce and defend central nodes to allow others to break through to the enemy stronghold and destroy their core. Extra nodes allow control of vehicles and turret guns on rails. Capturing, reinforcing and defending the pivotal nodes between opposing cores is a deceptively basic act rife with important considerations; the other side might try to push to the node with an orb that allows for its immediate capture, or they might try and take it down with the maximum possible strength of numbers, while your protection needs to include pumping the node with replenishing Link Gun rounds to stop it falling into neutrality, where a brush from an opposing team player would rotate ownership to them. Even the little design decisions, like forcing you to suicide to destroy an enemy's node-capturing orb if it's dropped, or waiting for it to slowly expire, speak to a lot of well-judged absorption of feedback from testing.

Vehicle CTF, too, is untroubled by the potential complexities of where the vehicles live, how they behave, how you can use them as a group, and so on. Even the bigger levels can be covered quite quickly on your hoverboard, which everyone gets, and the game seems to have been purposely built to minimise dead-ends and loops of repetitious architecture that might trouble your passage - a particular concern when it's the frantic passage of a man with the flag.

Even the power-ups, which I'm not usually a fan of in team-based FPS, are more frag than suicide. The one I liked most in previews - what I termed the "slow bubble", now the "Stasis Field" - is a novelty delight, slowing everything in its gelatinous grip, but also very useful for ruining chokepoints for your enemies, and others like the Shield Generator (similar to Halo 3's shield bubble) and Jump Boots are a positive influence. That's really the story of UT3: a lot of cool things that work well together, but don't have to be put together, and don't diminish your enjoyment if you do want or need to exclude them. Simply playing deathmatch or normal CTF is as much fun as I've had doing that probably since I was obsessed with Quake 3 Arena and, well, the first Unreal Tournament.

Perhaps the most important of the main things left to talk about is performance - both in terms of how the game runs on PS3 and how it plays over PSN. The latter's easiest to deal with - the server browser shows you pings, you pick a server, get on and it just works. Mileage always does vary with such things, but even playing from the UK (on my UK PSN account, incidentally) against folks in the States hasn't been the torture you might fear. It's been great fun, actually. There's a LAN option too, unlike Orange Box, including a LAN co-op option for the single-player campaign. Sadly there's no split-screen, but Epic says it's going to evaluate adding that.

'Unreal Tournament III' Screenshot 3

You wouldn't want to mess with the Leviathan. Unless you've got the Redeemer or something. God that was a rubbish caption.

The PS3 handles Unreal Engine 3 well too. Back at Games Convention, Epic's Mark Rein spoke of how Epic's development process on the engine for PS3 would probably hit performance crescendo with the release of UT3, because it would be the point that they were able to have dealt with all the significant issues themselves, enabling them to better help licensees going forward. How it worked with Gears of War and UE3 on 360, essentially. I haven't spoken to Mark recently, but he'd probably stick with that, and he'd be hard to argue with - the PS3 sometimes strains itself to load in textures, leading to noticeable pop-in, but you can install the game to the hard disk which reduces this considerably (albeit not entirely), and the flow of even intense combat is almost never disrupted by the frame-rate going for a bath, although sometimes when you're racing around with masses of bots on a huge map it notices the dirt on its neck and slips out for a scrub.

Really the only slight PC-to-PS3 negative is the absence of the mooted mod support at the time of writing - something Epic had to delay to get the game out on schedule. But then again, mods rarely emerge this quickly after release, it almost certainly won't be a problem when the game ships in Europe, and it won't actually prevent you from going back and trying out the older ones when it's worked out anyway. (And actually, just prior to publication Epic jumped the Sony legal queue and released a user-made map to give us a taste.)

'Unreal Tournament III' Screenshot 4

Can anyone think of a good joke? Or even a bad one?

The other slight negative is more innate: sometimes the detail level is so massive that you struggle to get a grip on what's coming in from where. Epic's even had to highlight players with a weird gloss to help you pick them out. Removed from UT3 specifically, this has become an issue for FPS games as they've become more complex graphically, and in UT3's case the argument really needs to be made on whether the art is worth the imposed crutch. I suppose it is. An interesting minor point here is that sometimes the textures' initial struggle to pop in on PS3s which haven't done the hard-disk install can benefit you slightly by giving certain elements more clarity, but we're really scrambling for negatives if we nitpick that too extensively. Otherwise, the artistic direction is pretty important to how it plays, and while I think there's less acceptance of this kind of brash high-calibre macho composition on this side of the pond generally, I actually really like the stylised approach Epic's opted for with this and Gears. Elsewhere, UT3 could certainly do with Team Fortress 2's who-killed-you-cam post-death, but then so could everyone else making a multiplayer FPS.

The score, then. Jim went for eight on PC. I'm going for nine on PS3. I could fob you off and claim this is because the context is different. In fact, I probably ought to, because it's true: Team Fortress 2 isn't as effective in the PS3's slightly disappointing Orange Box release, although it's still a better multiplayer game outside of the platform question, and the alternatives (Resistance, most notably) don't do as much as well as this does. This feels like the PS3's new online FPS benchmark. But I've digressed - the other part of it is that I guess I like UT3 more than Jim, and he loved it. The fact we both do, and the PS3 version is as it should be, ought to give the console the boost Sony and Epic obviously wanted when their lawyers and money-men stripped off together, and while it's too late to get one in for Christmas, this would make a superb New Year's import. So whether you ultimately think it's an eight or a nine, the important point is that it's one of them for the people here who've played it, and either's a big, big recommendation.

9 / 10

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  • Kryon #1 4 years ago

    This should be funny....

  • Nath4n #2 4 years ago

    You win this round PS3...

  • Nobuo #3 4 years ago

    Nice.

  • Mugwum Verified Operations Director, Eurogamer Network #4 4 years ago

    "You win this round PS3..."

    No one cares. Well, everyone cares for some reason.

  • Whizzo #5 4 years ago

    The question that this review doesn't answer is whether you can use the Guitar Hero controller to play the game, I expect more thorough reviews from EG.

  • coach_mcguirk #6 4 years ago

    On the PC at least, I thought the Necris vehicles were a bit annoying.

  • urban #7 4 years ago

    yay?

  • GamesProgrammer Verified Games Team Programmer, Eutechnyx Ltd. #8 4 years ago

    sweet hope its out in january!, guessing it wont be in the slaes items tho

  • Kryon #9 4 years ago

    "I'm going for nine on PS3. I could fob you off and claim this is because the context is different. In fact, I probably ought to, because it's true: Team Fortress 2 isn't as effective in the PS3's slightly disappointing Orange Box release, although it's still a better multiplayer game outside of the platform question, and the alternatives (Resistance, most notably) don't do as much as well as this does. This feels like the PS3's new online FPS benchmark."

    I take issue with this TBH, So you're saying that this game gets a 9/10 for the simple fact that other games in the genre on PS3 are a bit pants... If that's how EG reviews games then shouldn't Blue Dragon have scored a 10/10 ?

  • GamesConnoisseur #10 4 years ago

    Interesting when PC version is clearly the best in its wholesomeness as being the real thing only get an 8, whereas PS3 is benefitting from this as one of the best online game of its kind despite minor disadvantages compared to PC get an 9!

    So the score does matter in content of things, if Civ 5 get realised on PC its already crowded genre would be appreicated but for on PS3/X360 it would be a godsend/nirvana?!

    Still pleased that PS3 get a highly rated game that performs very well and do a good job. Warhawk is a great online battling game but needs more variety on PS3.

  • onyxbox #11 4 years ago

    i've been playing this for about a week now and it plays well, solid framerate, good controls, graphics are also great.

    I was also playing Team Fortress 2 last night (on PS3) and that was running nicely too.

  • Nallen #12 4 years ago

    I think the crux of it is that had Tom reviewed UT3 on the PC he would have given it a 9 too.

  • lambtron #13 4 years ago

    I have still received no explanation as to why this game seems to involve midgets in power armour fighting at greatly exaggerated speeds ;).

  • onyxbox #14 4 years ago

    @Nallen

    agreed.

  • Kryon #15 4 years ago

    @Nallen

    He doesn't imply that though...

  • convercide #16 4 years ago

    Better than Gears Of War?

    Better than Halo?

    etc.

  • Skooch #17 4 years ago

    So, not as good as Halo 3 then. ;-)

    Somebody shoot me, please.

    EDIT: BAH! Convercide got there first.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 14:22

  • Dizzy #18 4 years ago

    A quite surprising score.

    Lets hope it actually sells on PS3. PC gamers seem to be in the 'meh' camp on this one.

  • dsmx #19 4 years ago

    It should get a nine simply because it's the first console game that officially supports mods, that in itself is a major achievement that should be shouted from every rooftop.

  • Tweakmonkey #20 4 years ago

    It's great to see an old school style FPS on PS3 but typically these types of games don't do that well with the PlayStation crowd for some reason.

  • onyxbox #21 4 years ago

    @Arbiter

    I have PS3, 360 and Wii and my conclusion is that the PS3 is really capable, however some games run slightly smoother on 360 (but not enough to make a fuss about to be honest).

    There's too much attention being made towards comparisons IMO, which I don't mind so much in Head-To-Heads etc. but I don't see why so many reviews of PS3 games have to compared to 360... I think even the Uncharted review had to mention the 360...

    /peter kay voice

    "What's that all about then?"

  • mkreku #22 4 years ago

    Hmm.. so it does have keyboard/mouse controls.. but they suck? What an odd little tidbit of information. I thought keyboard/mouse was THE default control scheme for UT3?! Couldn't they just have left it in from the PC version? Or is that what they did but the PS3 somehow screws that up with its implementation of keyboard/mouse? I'M CONFUSED!

  • skillian #23 4 years ago

    It should get a nine simply because it's the first console game that officially supports mods, that in itself is a major achievement that should be shouted from every rooftop.

    Agreed, and the fact that it supports mouse and keyboard should definitely be praised too. Epic have done a really good job with their transition to consoles.

  • dsmx #24 4 years ago

    I was going to mention keyboard and mouse support but they did that on the ps2 so it's not as big a deal.

  • TurboBailey #25 4 years ago

    Well i shall be buying this. I was hooked on Unreal tournament 2004.

    See you all online

    (when it out in the UK? - all the online shops have dates varying from Jan 08 until April 08)

  • redneon Verified Programmer, SUMO Digital #26 4 years ago

    PS3lol

  • LeD #27 4 years ago

    Great stuff! I'm not a big fan of UT, but I had lots of fun with the Xbox iteration - can't remember what it's called, but it was one of the first Live MP games on the old brick.
    Might give this a try.

  • Apologie #28 4 years ago

    oHHH yeah.... bring it on!!!!

    -----

    @NatAttack

    "I thought CoD4 was the definitive online shooter on PS3. That's why I bought it, like."

    You did a fine purchase my friend..., COD 4 is indeed the best on-line experience you can get... But Unreal Tournment should be just as good in it's own way, Ps3 keeps getting better and better.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 14:47

  • AcidSnake #29 4 years ago

    My bad joke suggestion for the caption box:

    "A Necris soldier ensures that Navi and her sisters don't try to flee from their job of carrying rocks"

  • SeesThroughAll #30 4 years ago

    Nice to hear it's good... I'd buy the PC version if I had one up to the task.
    As it is, I might go get Warhawk instead.

    How do you lads fancy the COD4 online longevity? Does it also run well?

  • Les #31 4 years ago

    Don't see much need to get this besides Warhawk, which is brilliant in it's simplicity. Never thought I would actually enjoy online games.

  • groovychainsaw #32 4 years ago

    Anyone else think the art style is the most boring since... gears of war? Just me? Oh welll...

  • Gurgeh #33 4 years ago

    Sales figures for UT3 on the PC were underwhelming (maybe because of Crysis) so it will be interesting to see how this does on the PS3 where the competition is sparse.

  • JediMasterMalik #34 4 years ago

    Certainly not because of Crysis, the sales for it were pretty bad too.

  • Gurgeh #35 4 years ago

    "Certainly not because of Crysis, the sales for it were pretty bad too. "

    Crysis sales were actually higher than predictions and more than twice that of UT3 in November:

    Crysis : 86,633 units sold versus 68,600 units predicted
    Unreal Tournament 3 : 33,995 units sold versus 70,600 units predicted

    [link url=http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007 /12/17/crysis-and-unreal-tournament-3-show-disappointing-nov ember-sales-volume
    ]http://ar stechnica.com/journals/thumbs.a...[/link]

  • Whizzo #36 4 years ago

    Crysis's sales are still awful.

    Probably the reason why PC gamers haven't rushed out to buy UT3, is because we've bought it 3 times before already and might be a bit bored with the same game again. I quite enjoyed the PC demo but until it's around 15 quid I'm not going to bother with it.

  • SeesThroughAll #37 4 years ago

    Which comes to remind me... Poor Haze...

  • Katsumoto #38 4 years ago

    Well, i'm absolutely loving it on PC. Sounds like the PS3 edition is a great port, so I recommend you all buy it this second. Go on.

  • Mr_Bison #39 4 years ago

    Mine is in the Post...

    Not long and "YOU ARE GODLIKE" will be ringing in my ears ...with Jingle bells.

  • Apologie #40 4 years ago

    SeesThroughAll

    "How do you lads fancy the COD4 online longevity? Does it also run well? "...

    Yes, COD 4 is just perfect, i was never a big fan of on-line but these game changed my mind about it, the pace/gameplay is excelent... great "improvement ranking", nice gadgets and weapons to achieve, great maps, no lag whatsoever... it's simply the best in my opinion.

  • manic_mouse #41 4 years ago

    "Crysis's sales are still awful. "

    Of course they are, it's a PC game!

  • sd99 #42 4 years ago

    Several PC owners I know are a bit disappointed in this game. Sales of the PS3 version in America have turned out pretty poor too. Bet they wished it was released simultaneously on other platforms now.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 15:36

  • Captain Jax #43 4 years ago

    This game will majorly flop on PS3.

  • bodypopper #44 4 years ago

    It's not the smoothest of ports and having played UT games for 9 years now I'm starting to get a bit jaded.
    If anything this feels like a mash up of the best bits of UT2004 with shinier graphics (which look rather jaggy on this PS3 version), bots that talk too much and like to jog on the spot too often when they should be shooting stuff, and some new vehicles.
    Also, I installed it on the hard disk and still regularly get texture pop in which kinda spoils the mood.
    It'll be a pleasant diversion this Xmas though, and the Dark Walker is rather cool as is the mod-ability.
    8/10
    Edited by 3 at 21/12/07 @ 15:33

  • captainrentboy #45 4 years ago

    Looks groovy enough, can't see me bothering with it when it finally hits the 360 though, I'm more into games with solid single player campaigns as of late, I mean I hyped up Halo 3's MP for months before it was released, played it for facking hours in the first week and then haven't bothered since :/ And it's not that it was a let down in any way, I just can't be arsed, I think I'm getting too old for this shit :)
    PS3 owners will lap this up no doubt, it's a pretty huge release so should do well.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 15:40

  • sd99 #46 4 years ago

    Texture popup is usually down to lack of memory, so I doubt installing to hard drive will cure that - streaming from disc is fast enough thesedays, as we've seen from the core 360s.

  • Gurgeh #47 4 years ago

    "Texture popup is usually down to lack of memory, so I doubt installing to hard drive will cure that - streaming from disc is fast enough thesedays, as we've seen from the core 360s. "

    The PS3 memory architecture is a dog but people get round it by streaming in textures from the blu-ray disc - Resistance FoM would fit on a normal DVD if it wasnt for this.

  • Brianstorm #48 4 years ago

    some else to play online apart from COD4, and bodes well for future titles with the engine....

  • TitusCrow #49 4 years ago

    I have still received no explanation as to why this game seems to involve midgets in power armour fighting at greatly exaggerated speeds ;).

    i lol'rd!!!!
    im sure ut3 will be a bigger hit on consoles than pc this tme round.

  • sd99 #50 4 years ago

    "The PS3 memory architecture is a dog but people get round it by streaming in textures from the blu-ray disc - Resistance FoM would fit on a normal DVD if it wasnt for this."

    It's a shame the PS3 didn't use a faster drive as it takes around 50% longer to stream the same amount of data from it's bluray drive than the 360s noisy dvd drive. As it stands, it's fortuneate for the higher disc capacity that allows duplcate textures - compressed and uncompressed.

    Maybe a future PS3 revision will include a faster drive, and therefore eliminate the need of having to install everything.

  • muscleblade #51 4 years ago

    The 360 version will be a 10/10 then.

  • DrDamn #52 4 years ago

    @sd99

    The review actually states that the pop in is reduced by installing on the hard drive. No need to "doubt".

    @Gurgeh
    I thought Insomniac said they didn't get their texture streaming working until Ratchet? In fact oh lookie ... http://ww w.eurogamer.net/article.php?art... I quote "Resistance didn't support texture streaming".
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 15:59

  • Draqule #53 4 years ago

    caption: Wrex's "Xibit" costume, was a hit at the Normandy halloween party.



    /goes home for christmas.

  • DrDamn #54 4 years ago

    @sd99
    As long as a faster drive is just as quiet. Both Gears and CoD4 on my 360 chug away like a cheap hooker in game. Dependent on the frequency of the loading I would take a longer load time and quiet drive over a quicker load time and obtrusively loud drive. Also depends on what sound level you can play you games at. If you can up you volume levels enough to drown out the drive then it's not such an issue. If you have a wife sat next to you who constantly worries about the neighbours then it is ;).

  • Les #55 4 years ago

    "Resistance FoM would fit on a normal DVD if it wasnt for this."

    Why am I not surprised people still utter idiot statements like this...

  • NickNack #56 4 years ago

    Blu-ray is all fine and dandy if your game is worth playing in the first place. But I see no need filling up a Blu-ray disk with stuff if your game is shit. I can see maybe 3 games on PS3 that are worth playing and Blu-ray plays a part in that.

    FFXIII is one, MGS4 is two, I don't know what the other one will be.

  • themerlin13 #57 4 years ago

    Playing this on PS3 rather than PC is like....having sex with your gran, you have to be VERY careful with the controls and it just feels plain wrong! ;-)

  • Les #58 4 years ago

    "There's too much attention being made towards comparisons IMO, which I don't mind so much in Head-To-Heads etc. but I don't see why so many reviews of PS3 games have to compared to 360... I think even the Uncharted review had to mention the 360...

    One simple reason: fanboys are responsible for 99% of the page hits.

    Totally unrelated, but recently got a "flat" TV. Looks better in the living room according to my girlfriend... I must say I was surprised by the difference between SD and HD. Which is a bad thing IMO. The extra pixels contribute absolutely nothing to the enjoyment of a game or a movie but they do destroy your enjoyment of SD content... Like with most electronics clearly a case of supplier generated demand...

  • Rich72 #59 4 years ago

    ... aye and why have a car when you can fookin walk!

  • Apologie #60 4 years ago

    NickNack

    "FFXIII is one, MGS4 is two, I don't know what the other one will be".

    Killzone 2 is only possible with BluRay as well.

  • Rich72 #61 4 years ago

    and here he is

  • onyxbox #62 4 years ago

    Les wrote: "One simple reason: fanboys are responsible for 99% of the page hits. "

    I wish you weren't right about that but I have a feeling you are probably right, it's the only logical reason I guess. The whole subject is getting thin if you ask me.

    Also, regarding the SD to HD step... I know what you mean, I moved up to HD, it hasn't added anything to experience really but it does mean my SD games (PS2 / Wii) look a bit fuzzy and worse (they looked better on a normal tv).

    This so far has put me off playing Metroid Prime 3 on the Wii... it's here on the shelf but it doesn't look to hot on the old Samsung LCD.

    :-/ ahh well.

    On the bright side thp' at least my 2600 still looks about the same :-)

  • Darren #63 4 years ago

    Completely agree with the review, this game is superb and far better than I expected it to be given the UE3's poor reputation on the PS3 prior to the release of this game. I installed the game to the HDD straight away so apart from a textures taking a splitsecond to "pop in" when a level loads, I've not noticed any of the issues that affect, say, Mass Effect on the 360. The framerate is a fast and smooth 30 fps, there's only rare instances of slowdown and there's no hitching or anything which kind of spoilt Mass Effect.

    I'm not a big fan of online gaming, Gears of War bored me, Halo 3 seems dull but I've always had a place in my heart for UT ever since I played the first game back in 1999. I guess it's the variety of modes coupled with the abundance of free mods and excellent user-made maps which keeps it interesting. My only gripe with the game isn't actually with the game but the PS3 controller which I don't think is as good for FPSs as the 360's controller is. The analogue sticks feel too loose and the triggers are pretty shite in all honesty. I am getting used to it though and at least I can feel rumble with the DualShock 3.

  • Drpwnage #64 4 years ago

    Why did they bother with KB/mouse support, unless they are going to have separate servers for Control pad and KB/mouse users.

    It's a stupid idea, seems liked it got messed up anyway.

  • onyxbox #65 4 years ago

    "Why did they bother with KB/mouse support, unless they are going to have separate servers for Control pad and KB/mouse users."

    You can filter Mouse/KB games in/out of the server list.

  • jiggles100 #66 4 years ago

    I look forward to seeing the side by side comparisons. It's funny that the games industry is screaming out for new IP. This smells too much like Gears slapped with a UT logo. It should have had its own unique style. I wonder what the mining company were thinking when they hired these midgets :(

    @GamesConnoisseur

    You mentioned variety on WarHawk. Have you downloaded the Omega Dawn package? The dropship has spiced things up a bit. It also has the much vaulted "who just killed me cam".

    @DrDamn

    Link looks broken to me

  • Darren #67 4 years ago

    @sd99 - "Maybe a future PS3 revision will include a faster drive, and therefore eliminate the need of having to install everything."

    You do realise that an HDD is far faster than any DVD or BD drive and is more suited to streaming data like textures and so forth? That's one of the reasons all PC games install to the HDD. In an ideal world all games would run off the HDD rather than have to be compromised by streaming data from a slow DVD or BD. The UE3 is designed to use an HDD so it's at a slight disadvantage on the Xbox 360 where developers cannot rely on all users having an HDD. I can't help thinking that Mass Effect would have ran better had it been able to stream data and textures off the HDD not the DVD.

  • onyxbox #68 4 years ago

    To be honest, I didn't install UT3 on the HDD and apart from the initial texture pop-in when the game first starts I didn't notice any texture pop-in only a little geometry snapping.

    I mean, the game moves so fast I don't think there's time to look at any of the detail anyway.

    As for the style... it does look a bit drab and a very Gears of War, it would have been nice if they'd change the art style at least a little... the main characters all look like GoW characters, they even talk the same bollocks.

    Great gamplay tho'... and very smooth, mod support should be interesting too... I wonder if anyone will make a Halo clone.

  • fluff_the_tiger #69 4 years ago

    ps3 is getting more desirable... I think I'll get one when MGS4 comes out

  • Les #70 4 years ago

    "This smells too much like Gears slapped with a UT logo."

    It's rather the opposite...

    "... aye and why have a car when you can fookin walk!"

    And once again a comment with a totally out of place analogy... Don't you people ever learn?!

  • monkey-ken-wizard #71 4 years ago

    30 frames per second??!!!!
    hummm
    Lets hope the 360 version runs at 60
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 17:58

  • Les #72 4 years ago

    Damn, I hate it when trolls change their name...

    /Ignores again

  • Apologie #73 4 years ago

    PS3 UT3 has better graphics than Gears of War according to Mark Rein, Epic's vice president.

    Speaking in an interview with Pro-G at the launch of the PC version of the game, Rein said that he was "really proud" of the PS3 game. PS3 UT3 has better graphics than Gears of War according to Mark Rein, Epic's vice president.

    Speaking in an interview with Pro-G at the launch of the PC version of the game, Rein said that he was "really proud" of the PS3 game, He said: "People are going to be pleasantly surprised. It's a really high end experience that pushes the graphics bar up even higher than Gears of War. There's more polygons, there's more stuff going on, there's more explosions and there's more things happening,

    [link url=h ttp://www.videogamer.com/news/09-11-2007-6856.html
    ]http://ww w.videogamer.com/news/09-11-200...[/link]

    Ps: Dedicated to all X360 fanboy's complaining about UT3 graphics just because it is exclusive for some time on Sony's system... Merry Christmas

  • DjFlex52 #74 4 years ago

    "One simple reason: fanboys are responsible for 99% of the page hits."
    "And once again a comment with a totally out of place analogy... Don't you people ever learn?!"
    "Why am I not surprised people still utter idiot statements like this... "
    "Damn, I hate it when trolls change their name..."

    "I must say I was surprised by the difference between SD and HD. Which is a bad thing IMO. The extra pixels contribute absolutely nothing to the enjoyment of a game or a movie but they do destroy your enjoyment of SD content"

    @Les

    I see you're still being your sweet condescending self and Happy Holidays to you ;)
    Even your positive statements have a negative spin....Les-isms!

  • DjFlex52 #75 4 years ago

    Ps: Dedicated to all X360 fanboy's complaining about UT3 graphics just because it is exclusive for some time on Sony's system... Merry Christmas

    @Apologie

    HUH??...There hasnt been one post complaining about UT3's graphics so far in this thread...360 fanboy or otherwise.
    All you did was incite someone to respond to you, troll :|

  • JediMasterMalik #76 4 years ago

    It's a shame Warhawk is so good, I'd probably get this otherwise.

    I'd get it on PC if TF2 wasn't so good.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 18:44

  • sd99 #77 4 years ago

    "Maybe a future PS3 revision will include a faster drive, and therefore eliminate the need of having to install everything."

    @DrDamn - "You do realise that an HDD is far faster than any DVD or BD drive and is more suited to streaming data like textures and so forth?"

    Well duh... :)

    My point was, consoles aren't PC's and kids don't want to have to bother installing things - they just want to put the disc in and go. If you want to fart about freeing up discspace by uninstalling, then reinstalling when you fancy a game, well, you might as well have a PC to begin with. IMO one of the best things about my move from PC to console gaming was the removal of hassle like this.

  • Kryon #78 4 years ago

    @Apolol

    "Dedicated to all X360 fanboy's complaining about UT3 graphics just because it is exclusive for some time on Sony's system"

    Erm...No it's not, I think you'll find it's out on the PC aswell? Merry Christmas to you too, mong.

    @DjFlex

    I wouldn't bother replying to Les, the kids a bit slow, I put him on ignore ages ago...

  • Apologie #79 4 years ago

    Kryon

    "Dedicated to all X360 fanboy's complaining about UT3 graphics just because it is exclusive for some time on Sony's system"

    Erm...No it's not, I think you'll find it's out on the PC aswell? Merry Christmas to you too, mong.

    ------
    Assuming your prespective Bioshok and Gears of War (beign available for Pc) are not X360 exclusives too.... and in time, the 3rd Halo will join the previous 2 in Pc as well, so what's the point?? even Mass effect will be launched for Pc next year (now that E.A owns the damn thing)... the only "REA"L exclusives are for the Ps3, you wont find Drakes Fortune, Motorstorm, Gt5, Warhawk, Killzone 2, Resistance, God of War, Little Big Planet, Ratchet, Metal Gear 4 etc... on any platfrom except the Ps3.

    Returning to UT3, it's a really good game, i'll buit it sooner or later (no doubt about that) but for now, i'm totally absorved by COD 4 multiplayer.
    Edited by 2 at 21/12/07 @ 19:15

  • Kryon #80 4 years ago

    @Apolol

    "Assuming you prespective Bioshok and Gears of War (beign available for Pc) are not X360 exclusives too"

    That's exactly my point, you are the one who keeps trolling 360 threads telling everyone that all 360 games are out on PC hence not exclusive, yet when a PS3/PC game is out, it somehow is exclusive to PS3? This is because you are an imbecile.

    Anyway, it's great that the PS3 finally has a game that is comparable to Gears visually (even if it is well over a year later) but lets not forget, it's not all about graphics Apolol, Gears is the better game according to about 300 reviews on GameRankings...Oh well, maybe you'll get a triple-A PS3 Exclusive one day eh :-)

  • miiiguel #81 4 years ago

    I'm glad we have PS3 to give us all these beautiful RPG's and "smart games", that 360 is just shoters... crap.

  • ronuds #82 4 years ago

    @ Apolol

    Do you ever make a comment that isn't easily debunked given a half ounce of thought? Seriously, dude...just keep your comments specific to the PS3 and you'll stop making a complete ass of yourself with every post.

    So, I'm glad the PS3 is the only console with any "real" exclusives because then the 360 wouldn't have such titles as:
    PGR
    Forza
    Beautiful Katamari
    Splinter Cell: Conviction
    Ninja Gaiden 2
    Blue Dragon
    PDZ
    Crackdown

    ...and about a billion others. Stop being such a Sony tool and use your brain. People might actually mistake you for being halfway intelligent.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 19:30

  • dllord #83 4 years ago

    I wonder how much better the 360 version will be? ;]

  • Apologie #84 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    "Anyway, it's great that the PS3 finally has a game that is comparable to Gears visually (even if it is well over a year later)."

    My friend, if we refer only to graphics there are games far superior to Gears in the Ps3, for example Uncharted (not only graphically), Heavenly Sword and UT3 are all better.

    You really are stupid, i just did what you (and the X360 trools) used to when a game is out for the X360 and Pc (i assumed that it was exclusive) and at least now, judging by your reaction, you recognized how imbecil you've been, because beign on 2 platforms is the opposite of exclusivity.

    @ronuds

    You don't buy a x360 (or at least the majority of people don't) because of thouse games.
    Edited by 4 at 21/12/07 @ 19:34

  • miiiguel #85 4 years ago

    Almost all my games are exclusive to the 360, what are you guys talking about ?
    Then, I also have some exclusive to DS and a few exclusive to PSP, I never buy two copies...

    What's the deal with multiple copies?
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 19:34

  • ronuds #86 4 years ago

    "My friend, if we refer only to graphics there are games far superior to Gears in the Ps3, for example Uncharted (not only graphically), Heavenly Sword and UT3 are all better."

    If "based on Apolol's opinion" made anything in this world true, this would be a fucked up world.

    I've seen those games, and while they are impressive, I couldn't hardly say they're any better looking than most 360 games. Uncharted has way too much shine to be considered the "top" looking game. You aren't supposed to be able to see a reflection of yourself in a rock.

  • Kryon #87 4 years ago

    @Apolol

    "it is exclusive for some time on Sony's system"

    "beign on 2 platforms is the opposite of exclusivity."

    Well, I'm glad we both agree that you speak shit. I just don't get why you're getting so excited over a multi platform game? It's like you're so traumatised over the loss of GTA IV, DMC4, VF5, Haze, Resident Evil 5, etc, that you're trying to scrape some kind of weird glory just because UT3 will be out a little later (and probably better as usual) on 360...Quite sad really...

  • JediMasterMalik #88 4 years ago

    Why is it always the same people? Can you randomly change your names just so we can have some fun guessing who you are? Please?

  • ronuds #89 4 years ago

    @ Apolol

    "You don't buy a x360 (or at least tyhe majority of people don't) because of thouse games, and you know it."


    Oh, but people were beating each other over the head for a PS3, so they could get a copy of Warhawk, Ratchet and Clank or Uncharted.

    Give it up.

  • ParanoidZombie #90 4 years ago

    I know this is off-topic, but I have a question: am I the only one who thinks that bioshock looks better than gears of war?

  • miiiguel #91 4 years ago

    I never played Gears of War, not interested. And I have 3 360's, and I play 40 hours/week, so it's realy a bad call trying to pretend to know what people like to play in each platform, let alone claims like "ooooh Uncharted looks better than my girlfriend!"
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 19:42

  • Kryon #92 4 years ago

    LOL @ Miiiguel

    @Apolol

    I know you probably don't have a girlfriend but if you do, does she look as good as Uncharted?

  • ronuds #93 4 years ago

    "I know this is off-topic, but I have a question: am I the only one who thinks that bioshock looks better than gears of war?"

    It's so hard to tell these days which game looks better than the other. In some games the environments will look better and in other games the characters and so on.

    I'd say that both titles are at least on par with one another. The character models in Gears are hard to beat, however. Like, COD4's environment looks better than Gears, but the characters in Gears look better than COD's. So, which is "better" is nearly impossible to determine by just looking at the games running.

  • Apologie #94 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    you stupidity is incredible... well, you didn't understood shit "as usual", read our comments again if you want, otherwise stop talking crap ok.

    @ronuds

    "Oh, but people were beating each other over the head for a PS3, so they could get a copy of Warhawk, Ratchet and Clank or Uncharted.

    Give it up. "

    No, but they buy the console for games like GT5, Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War 3, Uncharted etc... and you don't see them on Pc do you???..;)
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 19:48

  • Kryon #95 4 years ago

    @Apolol

    What's wrong? Hit a nerve, did I?

    Lol...

  • ronuds #96 4 years ago

    @ Apolol

    "No, but they buy the console for games like GT5, Metal Gear Solid 4, God of War 3, Uncharted etc... and don't see them on Pc do you???..;)"

    I'll agree with all of the above except Uncharted, which had atrocious sales in the US last month.

    But to think nobody's going to pick up a 360 for Splinter Cell, Forza or Ninja Gaiden is just naive. Sure, they won't sell as many consoles as MGS4 or GT5, but the 360 already had a few of its heavy hitters and the PS3 still has to catch up with the ones it has.

    And believe me, the titles I listed were about 1/50th of all that's exclusive to the 360 (console wise). I just didn't feel like going through each game on the list to check and see if it was on PC.

  • DjFlex52 #97 4 years ago

    All you did was incite someone to respond to you, troll :|

    @Apologie

    And it worked :(
    You just had to sidetrack another thread with your fanboy posts, Apologie.

  • symbiote #98 4 years ago

    Another high quality PS3 game eh? Let me see...

    /rubs crystal ball

    Kryon and miiiguel are PS3 bashing...perhaps...?

  • Apologie #99 4 years ago

    ronuds

    "But to think nobody's going to pick up a 360 for Splinter Cell, Forza or Ninja Gaiden is just naive. Sure, they won't sell as many consoles as MGS4 or GT5, but the 360 already had a few of its heavy hitters and the PS3 still has to catch up with the ones it has."

    of course people will play thouse games you mentioned for the X360, just as they will play Motorstorm, Resistance Warhawk, Ratchet etc... the point is that the so called "heavy weight's", games like Gears of War, Halo 3 and Bioshok (the ones that have the gift to dratically increase sales) are not exclusive as Gt5, Metal GEar Solid 4, God of War 3, killzone 2, little Big Planet are... you see, i can play thouse big X360 titles in my Pc, some of them with even added content and better overall quality... so what does that mean?? it means that the only platforms that seem to know the meaning of exclusivity are NINTENDO and PS3, nothing more, X360 is very poor in this matter.
    Edited by 4 at 21/12/07 @ 22:40

  • ronuds #100 4 years ago

    I understand what you're saying and in "some" cases you're correct, but what I'm not understanding is how it makes a difference. I don't think console or game sales have suffered and MS only benefits even more that those games are on PC because they're most likely running on their OS.

    So how does the game being on PC hurt me as a 360 owner in any way? I'd bet if Sony owned an OS, their exclusives would be on PC as well.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 20:21

  • Les #101 4 years ago

    "IMO one of the best things about my move from PC to console gaming was the removal of hassle like this."

    It' s not like doing a HDD install on a console is that much hassle: you put the disk in the console for the first time, select "yes", wait for a few minutes and that's it. Not needing it would be even better I agree but it's not that big a deal.

  • ronuds #102 4 years ago

    @ Les

    I don't think he was saying installing it to HDD was so much of a hassle (though it is somewhat) as managing the content afterwards. Deleting the game from your HDD when you think you're done playing it and then reinstalling, etc., etc., can become bothersome.

  • captain-future #103 4 years ago

    I wonder whether the reviewer would have been fired if he gave a more appropriate (read: lower) score?

  • onyxbox #104 4 years ago

    "I don't think he was saying installing it to HDD was so much of a hassle (though it is somewhat) as managing the content afterwards. Deleting the game from your HDD when you think you're done playing it and then reinstalling, etc., etc., can become bothersome."

    Nah... there's plenty of room on a PS3 disk... I'm already juggling content on the 360. And besides, the PS3 menu makes it dead easy to remove that kind of data.

    Like Les said, a short wait is nothing really especially for old timers like me :-D

  • NickNack #105 4 years ago

    Anyone who includes Killzone in any list of heavy hitters for PS3 has a very short memory. I didn't say anything when PS3 owners were hyping LAIR as some sort of saviour, I said nothing when they hyped Uncharted and Ratchet as the games to break the deadlock.

    But it's time you stop this crap, really. Please stop it. There is no game around the corner that will save PS3. Developers made a mistake putting games like MGS4 on PS3, simple as that. It would have sold more on 360. end of story. As would any other game you want to mention.
    Edited by 1 at 21/12/07 @ 22:26

  • George-Roper #106 4 years ago

    Good on the PS3. A quality title.

    Just a shame it's pretty much geared to multi-player. I like a good single-player experience in my games too.

  • Sneerk #107 4 years ago

    Was kinda hoping for a bad score. I want warhawk to be the prefered online shooter of choice on the ps3. Ah well, maybe this is a better game, i'll try it eventually.

  • Kryon #108 4 years ago

    I wonder when the PS3 will get a 10/10 game...

  • Amoebalove #109 4 years ago

    @ apologie

    why do you keep going on about exclusives all the time? you keep saying you own a ps3 and a 360 so it should make no difference to you. i actually do own both and if a games good then i don't give a damn if it comes out on pc or the wii or whatever. i don't get why you are so negative about a console you allegedly own.

    its in your best interest if both of your investments are supported with great games although i feel i'm wasting my time trying to get you to see reason! so again i ask you why do you keep harping on about exclusives if you own both consoles ?

  • symbiote #110 4 years ago

    "I wonder when the PS3 will get a 10/10 game..."

    What? You can only enjoy 10/10 games? Get real.

  • UncleLou #111 4 years ago

    "IMO one of the best things about my move from PC to console gaming was the removal of hassle like this."

    I'd much rather install a game once for a few minutes, and then have no disc drive noise, faster loading times and possibly not even the need to put a disc in the drive. 5 minutes of "hassle" once > 20 hours of hassle while I play the game.

  • Vic #112 4 years ago

    I wonder when the PS3 will get a 10/10 game...

    I wonder when the 360 will get a 10/10 game that...is deserving of the score...

  • smoothn00dle #113 4 years ago

    @Vic

    ahahahahahaa

    The end of PC is near *v*

  • Kryon #114 4 years ago

    @Vic

    "I wonder when the 360 will get a 10/10 game that...is deserving of the score..."

    LOL, Tom (the reviewer) even admitted that this game only got a 9/10 because all the other PS3 games in the same genre are basically shit!

    I'm going for nine on PS3. I could fob you off and claim this is because the context is different. In fact, I probably ought to, because it's true

    I think it's pretty sad that the PS3's catalogue is still so pathetic after a whole year that reviewers have to add points on to review scores just to signify that this is a one of a kind on the PS3...i.e. a decent game...

  • Kenshin001 #115 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    What is sad is you have now posted over a 24 hour period in a comments section about a 9/10 game you do not own on a console you do not own and every comment you have made has been pure drivel.

  • JediMasterMalik #116 4 years ago

    He does it in all PS3 reviews.

  • crozon #117 4 years ago

    @smoothn00dle

    tell that to the 9 million world of warcraft players and 12 million steam users, oh hold on WOW has more subscribers than PS3s sold, would you belive that, PC gaming is dying.............my fucking arse it is

  • crozon #118 4 years ago

    Wait for GTAIV, the PS3 will finally get it 10/10 game

  • t8yman #119 4 years ago

    read like an eight, and to me it plays like a 7. nothing new, nothing out of the ordinary.

    its a good game, a very good game. but IMHO its not a 9.

  • symbiote #120 4 years ago

    LMFAO!!

    It's priceless, innit?! These fools who bitch and moan about scores and statistics like they're the fucking holy grail suddenly flip on a dime when the PS3 gets some high scoring games and come out with comments like "It's crap compared to Gears" (even though EG scored Uncharted higher than Gears) and "They only gave it a 9 cos everything else is shit". Right. EG in PS3 sympathy shocker. Whatever.

    I mean really guys - pick an argument that will stand the test of time (unlike your 360 hardware) as you KNOW that over it's lifetime the PS3 will get plenty of 8's, 9's and even 10's and your 'argument' will seem even more pathetic than it does now.

    Come to think of it- what argument DO you have that's still standing firm? Price? Down. Difficult to code for? Less so all the time. No decent games? Read the fucking reviews. Inferior capabilities? LOL! Right...

    So come on, what is it, other than the fact you've put yourselves on pedestals you can't get down from?

  • captainrentboy #121 4 years ago

    Bloody hell, it's quite sad, even when you ignore Apologie you still can't totally avoid his stupidity because everyone pastes in his comments. It's not fair dammit!
    And Symbiote, calm down son it's Christmas! you seem to be getting reeeeally worked up there, I mean it's just a console after all.
    Edited by 2 at 22/12/07 @ 11:11

  • wayn3h #122 4 years ago

    symbiote; don't try and pretend you're any better than the equivalent 360 fanboy. Because you aren't. You can delude yourself all you want.

  • smoothn00dle #123 4 years ago

    @crozon

    I think WOW is hurting PC gaming whether than helping PC. WOW is sucking every gamers into it and they only play WOW, nothing else. PC gamer is not buying new games. U know what? Crysis only sold 89,000 copies. Even Ratchat&Clank sold 200,000+ copies, double Crysis and than some. Is there a future for PC developers other than Blizzard?

  • symbiote #124 4 years ago

    "symbiote; don't try and pretend you're any better than the equivalent 360 fanboy. Because you aren't. You can delude yourself all you want"

    Sure. I'm a PS3 fan. Big deal. I've owned all three consoles this generation (unlike the vast majority of 'fanboys') and have chosen to stick with PS3 (after not being loyal to Sony last generation I might add) so I think I'm entitled to an opinion - one I reserve for situations when Xbots can't keep their ill-informed tongues in their heads.

    Deal with it sweetcheeks :)

  • tonynibbles #125 4 years ago

    @ronuds
    "Oh, but people were beating each other over the head for a PS3, so they could get a copy of Warhawk, Ratchet and Clank or Uncharted.

    Not sure I understand that statement. Those three games are all excellent reasons to get a PS3! Uncharted and RC are both truly stunning, with many people claiming Uncharted is *the* best looking console game.

    Sure, people don't generally go around 'beating each other over the head for a PS3' but then if you read the Christmas-rush stories I suppose the PS3 has been the item of theft in a number of gun/knife robberies since launch.

  • symbiote #126 4 years ago

    Bloody hell - I didn't know Crysis had sold that badly! Still, that might mean it's coming to consoles to recoup some cash? Hope so...

  • symbiote #127 4 years ago

    Oh and Kryon, seeing as you asked: the PS3 already has a 10/10 game - Oblivion. The only EG 10/10 game released on the 360 in its first year too. Spooky.

    It'll probably take us about another year from Oblivion being launched to get another 10/10 too - just like it did with you.

    Thanks for that one 360, don't worry - we're returning the favour next year - you can have UT3 when we're finished with it. Not a quite a 10, I know, but I'm sure it'll entertain ;)

  • DrDamn #128 4 years ago

    @sd99

    > @DrDamn - "You do realise that an HDD is far faster than any
    > DVD or BD drive and is more suited to streaming data like textures
    > and so forth?"
    >
    > Well duh... :)
    >
    > My point was ...

    I didn't say that - it was Darren. Besides, your initial point was ...

    > Texture popup is usually down to lack of memory, so I doubt installing to
    > hard drive will cure that.

    When quite clearly the review states that it does help.

    I agree that installing is a faff a lot of users can do without. I suppose it depends on how easy this is to set up. There is also an argument that as all PS3's have a harddrive the using it when it can help produce a better game - as an option - is something good no?
    Edited by 1 at 22/12/07 @ 13:03

  • captainrentboy #129 4 years ago

    Symbiote, let's be realistic here, suuure some guys might have liked something like Uncharted on their 360 this year, or a title as lovely as Ratchet and Clank TOD, but one thing I and I'm sure 95% of all other 360 owners aren't crying out for is another multi-player focused FPS title, 360 owners have bloody loads, and a lot are equal or more highly rated than Unreal too. So the fact that the PS3 has it earlier isn't that big of a deal :/ So again, chill out slightly, and just enjoy the game.

  • 3william56 #130 4 years ago

    I'm convinced Apologie is a Microsoft FUDmonkey. Noone could really be that moronic, and he embarrasses the fuck out of me as a PS3 owner.

    Kryon. Back to the poetry son. You were almost tolerable for a while there.

  • Les #131 4 years ago

    "I wonder when the PS3 will get a 10/10 game..."

    As soon as it becomes the next darling of the hardcore gamer a.k.a. the 'professional' gaming journalist... Let's face it, unlike review scores for established media, video game review scores are completely unrelated to the tastes of the average consumer. Just look at the sorry sight of the game press struggling with how to approach the Wii. They're completely out of touch with reality and are rapidly becoming irrelevant.

  • Les #132 4 years ago

    "I think WOW is hurting PC gaming whether than helping PC. WOW is sucking every gamers into it and they only play WOW, nothing else.

    +1

  • Quak #133 4 years ago

    >I take issue with this TBH, So you're saying that this game gets a 9/10 for the simple fact that other games in the genre on PS3 are a bit pants... If that's how EG reviews games then shouldn't Blue Dragon have scored a 10/10 ?

    I second that actually. From that point of view, every launch game on every console should get 10/10 simply because there are no alternatives. This is a stupid way to review games and makes the scores very unreliable.

    Games should be scored on their own merit.

  • Dizzy #134 4 years ago

    "I wonder when the PS3 will get a 10/10 game..."

    Didn't Oblivion PS3 get a 10?

  • Gibroon #135 4 years ago

    I'm not sure if I'll pick this up when it comes out in March. There may be too many other games to choose around the same time.

    Sounds like a good game though and loved the original UT. Personally I think UT3 is different from both COD4 and Warhawk in gameplay, so I wouldn't have a problem owning all three. The problem is with Haze and Killzone2 coming out around about the same time, will people have the cash to spend after Christmas?

    At least this game stops the talk of PS3 being graphically inept compared to the 360. ;)

  • Penguinzoot #136 4 years ago

    Let's face it, unlike review scores for established media, video game review scores are completely unrelated to the tastes of the average consumer.

    TBH Les, review scores for established media are probably just as related/unrelated to average consumer tastes as video game review scores. Quite apart from the discussion over the merits of whether or not review scores should exist at all, at the end of the day it's all subjective opinion. There is no "arbiter of taste" or final ultimate "taste" authority for any of this stuff. And just as well too.

    Edited by 1 at 22/12/07 @ 16:52

  • Kryon #137 4 years ago

    "I wonder when the PS3 will get a 10/10 game..."

    Didn't Oblivion PS3 get a 10?

    Sorry, I should have said 10/10 exclusive ;-)

  • George-Roper #138 4 years ago

    @symbiote

    "Thanks for that one 360, don't worry - we're returning the favour next year - you can have UT3 when we're finished with it. Not a quite a 10, I know, *but I'm sure it'll entertain* ;)"

    Somehow, against the beasts that are Halo 3 and COD4, I doubt it.

    Unreal Tourney has stagnated for way too long. It's a very generic, by-the-numbers, multiplayer FPS. Sure, it's slick (got it on the PC, which kinda infers that you got it after i'd finished with it, but I won't go there...) but to somehow elevate it to God-like levels is a bit far fetched.

  • Kryon #139 4 years ago

    @crozon

    "Wait for GTAIV, the PS3 will finally get it 10/10 game"

    Lol, oh, you mean that PS3 lost exclusive which is coming to 360 with (exclusive to 360) extra chapters/content to download...

    nyuk nyuk nyuk ;-)

  • smelly #140 4 years ago

    So is my understanding that any game with pretty pixels where you mind numbingly shoot things until bored will get a high score?

  • symbiote #141 4 years ago

    "Sorry, I should have said 10/10 exclusive ;-)"

    So, by your (moving goalpost) logic the 360 didn't get a 10/10 game in it's first year either, seeing as Oblivion was released on the PC too?

  • symbiote #142 4 years ago

    "So is my understanding that any game with pretty pixels where you mind numbingly shoot things until bored will get a high score? "

    Not at all. Lo-res ones with fat plumbers and silly controls don't do too bad either.

  • Kryon #143 4 years ago

    @symbiote

    "So, by your (moving goalpost) logic the 360 didn't get a 10/10 game in it's first year either, seeing as Oblivion was released on the PC too?"

    Lol, Symby me old china, who said anything about the first year? Besides, the PS3 has been out well over a year now with only one 'sloppy seconds' 10/10 which 360 owners were playing the year before. The point is, how many 360 games have scored a 10/10 on EG? 3 or 4? how many PS3 games, none apart from a year old 360 port..."This is living" XD
    Edited by 1 at 22/12/07 @ 19:40

  • Deoden #144 4 years ago

    @ Kryon:

    I think the point symbiote was making was that it wasn't until xbox360 entered its second year that it really took with its software. Lets see how things pan out for the ps3 over the next year before declaring it to be a failure.

  • symbiote #145 4 years ago

    30 fps is shit? And there's me loving films at 24fps...

  • George-Roper #146 4 years ago

    @symbiote

    "30 fps is shit? And there's me loving films at 24fps..."

    Yeah, but films don't get gradually slower the more you see on screen. If a game can hold a steady 30fps, regardless of whats flying around, that's great. If not, not so great.

    In no way can any comparison be made against movies, otherwise.

  • symbiote #147 4 years ago

    "If a game can hold a steady 30fps, regardless of whats flying around, that's great. If not, not so great."

    Agreed...didn't think I questioned that point...

    "In no way can any comparison be made against movies"

    Elaborate...

  • symbiote #148 4 years ago

    And am I the only one that finds 60fps a bit...plastic?

  • George-Roper #149 4 years ago

    @symbiote

    "And am I the only one that finds 60fps a bit...plastic?"

    Sigh

    Are you the only one that finds a blistering framerate...plastic?

    Double sigh

  • symbiote #150 4 years ago

    And yet it's not tiring enough for you to walk away from it?

  • patchbox360 #151 4 years ago


    the xbox 360 is better than the ps3 because it has more games in every genre, higher rated games and cost less.

    The End

    hahaha luv it

  • Kryon #152 4 years ago

    ^^^ No, no, no! The PS3 is better because Symbiote and Apolol get upset if anyone says otherwise ;-)

  • Kryon #153 4 years ago

    To be fair though, what patchbox360 has said is actually 100% true, and no one, not even the half wit primate Apolol can argue the fact ;-)

  • Darren #154 4 years ago

    FluffyTucker - "30fps is shit"

    I bet most people who have this game on the PC aren't playing it looking as good as the PS3 version and/or at a constant 60 fps either. :p

    Trust me, the game is fast and responsive at 30 fps and no doubt the compromise is to allow for the impressive looking visuals which feature huge open maps with upto 15 other players onscreen. You can even use the speed modifier to make the game faster if you want!!!

    Neither Gears of War, Mass Effect nor BioShock run at 60 fps on the Xbox 360 and I don't recall anyone griping about the online framerate in the former. When UTIII arrives on the 360 next year, it too will run at 30 fps like the PS3 version... unless Epic disable V-Sync or something! LOL

  • Azazel #155 4 years ago

    This thread is sponsored by Cluster-Fuck of Retardation™ the new fragrance for men.

  • Amoebalove #156 4 years ago

    @ Kryon

    To be fair though, what patchbox360 has said is actually 100% true, and no one, not even the half wit primate Apolol can argue the fact ;-)

    never i repeat never underestimate the blind stupidity of apologie!!!!!

  • Kryon #157 4 years ago

    Cluster-Fuck of Retardation™ the new fragrance for men??? ZOMG! I really wanted that but I'm torn because 'Unforgivable' by P-Diddy is half price right now :(

    @Amoebalove

    Don't be mean to Apolol, didn't your mother teach you, it's wrong to make fun of those less fortunate then yourself! (and utter criptard uber spastics like Apolol) XD

  • Apologie #158 4 years ago

    Kryon

    You gotta get paid to be here 24/7 dude... i mean, i acknolage that you probably don't have many friends, and somehow are only 14 years old but pleeeeaaaase say you get paid because if you don't, you are even more sad and retarded then i ever imagined.

    You guy's like yours X360, and we like ours Ps3 (i have both but somehow prefer the Ps3)... so what's with all these nonesense??? Ps3 is a great machine, with great on-line service (i love PsStore, the fact that multiplayer is for free and the project HOME that will hopefully come out next year), i especially like Warhawk, COD 4, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Motorstorm, REsistance Fall of Man and Ratchet&Clank: TOD... 2008 is almost here and the games keep getting better and better (UT3 is just another great on-line shooter, altough i'm too much into COD4 and Warhawk to be specially excited about it). x360 is not bad either with some good games "beign Gears of War the best in my opinion". It's a matter of taste, nothing more...

  • Katsumoto #159 4 years ago

    @ Darren

    Your overall point is valid - there's nothing wrong with 30fps if it's smooth and constant. However, don't underestimate the UT3 engine! My "good" but not "AMAZING" pc runs UT3 at 60fps no problem. The main problem that I had with the idea of this ps3 version was the fact they had slowed it all down for the people using pads, but now you've said you can speed it up that sounds a lot better. I hope this does well on the ps3, cuz I am absolutely loving the pc version. Just needs more maps.

  • smoothn00dle #160 4 years ago

    This is good indicator of FPS is shifting from PC to console. Before, it was difficult because CPU power barrier but this barrier is thinning.

  • George-Roper #161 4 years ago

    @smoothn00dle

    "This is good indicator of FPS is shifting from PC to console. Before, it was difficult because CPU power barrier but this barrier is thinning."

    What a load of bollocks. I'm running Crysis on my PC at High settings (Vista and DX10 can get fucked), and it blows away anything on consoles. Consoles are *always* going to be on catchup, compared to top-end PC kit.

  • smelly #162 4 years ago

    (is genuinely disheartened by this whole thread)


    I find it a shame that you're all arguing over framerates, resolutions, and graphics on a game. But then I guess with a game like this - take away the graphics and yer left with f-all.

    I'm depressed that gaming hasnt moved on much since i first played and loved the original UT. Surely people are bored of shooting people online by now?

    I presume they are bored - or threads like this just wouldnt exist. And everyone would be happy playing all the brilliant games they have on their specific machines (rather than arguing over which is "best";)


  • smelly #163 4 years ago

    >I wonder when the PS3 will get a 10/10 game...


    Probably about the same time a "slightly-above-average" ps3 game gets released which is hyped to shit everywhere and has every single advert on every website is for said game.

  • George-Roper #164 4 years ago

    @smelly

    "(is genuinely disheartened by this whole thread)


    I find it a shame that you're all arguing over framerates, resolutions, and graphics on a game. But then I guess with a game like this - take away the graphics and yer left with f-all.

    I'm depressed that gaming hasnt moved on much since i first played and loved the original UT. Surely people are bored of shooting people online by now?

    I presume they are bored - or threads like this just wouldnt exist. And everyone would be happy playing all the brilliant games they have on their specific machines (rather than arguing over which is "best";) "

    Whilst I agree, in part, AFAIK Mario Galaxy isn't really a huge departure from SMB now is it?

  • smelly #165 4 years ago

    Who said fuck all about mario? I'm discussing fucking fps games for fucks sakes.

    fucking dipshit.

  • George-Roper #166 4 years ago

    @smelly

    "Who said fuck all about mario? I'm discussing fucking fps games for fucks sakes.

    fucking dipshit."

    Your comment has fuck all to do with FPS's but to do with the industry at large. The same comment could be levelled against any genre. I simply used Mario as an example.

    Seemed to touch a nerve, though, I see ;-)

  • George-Roper #167 4 years ago

    @zerolight

    Smellys comments, such as...

    "I'm depressed that gaming hasnt moved on much since i first played and loved the original UT. Surely people are bored of shooting people online by now? "

    ...surely apply to all genres. Could I not equally say...

    "I'm depressed that gaming hasn't moved on much since i first played and loved the original Super Mario Bros. Surely people are bored of jumping around on platforms by now?"

    ...and still retain exactly the same point? That gaming, in general, has lost a lot of originality?

    It's not fair to slag off UT3 for a lack of originality, when it's all that everyone sees now, without also speaking more widely of the whole industry.

  • smelly #168 4 years ago

    *sigh*

    Well as you're talking about mario. You're lucky to get a GOOD platform game once every 3 or 4 years. And in the case of mario, probably once every 6 years.

    And when a new mario does come along, it normally adds something to the genre (apart from sunshine - but lets forget about that). Mario 64 - took it into 3d. Mario galaxy took it past 3d and into some very clever ideas/tech.


    On the other hand, there are 100's (over exaggeration) of fps games released every year. And none of them really offer any over the other ones - apart from graphical enhancements and differences in story.

    Last gen, I was VERY MUCH applauding the xbox as it allowed me to play "pc style" fps games on a console with the likes of halo, etc - without needing to upgrade my pc every few months, etc. However the problem is now that it seems that EVERY SINGLE FLIPPING GAME is a flipping fps game.

    When you've been gaming as long as i have, it's just as depressing as seeing mcfly sell well in the music charts when there are great talented bands which seem to be over looked by the masses.

    Of course i cant change the masses opinion, and i cant be arsed trying to. But I *do* find it very depressing that the games industry has gone this way.. It's a tired cynical mess.

    UT3 consists of nothing more than an advert to sell their engine to people. It's not a game..


    A few months back i was moaning about halo 3. But in retrospect having played them both now, I'd rather play halo 3 than this - at least it has some way approaching a decent single player experience (even if - imho - a slightly dull one).

    What's the point in buying/playing games when they're all bloody carbon copy cut outs of each other?

    Slag off mario all you like - show me another game released this year that's like it, or even half as innovative in it's levels/worlds/etc progression. And that's coming from ME - who openly admits to not actually liking it that much...

    (Just because i dont like it - doesnt mean i cant appreciate that it's clever and innovative and offering more imagination that 99% of games released in last few years put together!)


    AND THAT STILL doesnt alter the fact that 99% of the posts on this forum are arguing over graphical capabilities of one machine over the other.. While ignoring how well the game(s) actually play(s)...
    Edited by 1 at 23/12/07 @ 21:36

  • George-Roper #169 4 years ago

    @smelly

    "Slag off mario all you like - show me another game released this year that's like it, or even half as innovative in it's levels/worlds/etc progression. And that's coming from ME - who openly admits to not actually liking it that much... "

    Slag off what, now? When have I slagged off Mario? You reek of Nintendo fanboism, with that remark. A very defensive post.

    Plus, imo, you're confusing Marios evolution, as a genre, with a control method. In Mario, all you've ever really done is traverse platforms, avoiding the badguys, collecting coins and stars and doing bosses. Tart it up all you like, exchanging graphics for controls, but it makes no difference. The core 'game' is exactly the same. Nintendo know it and you know it. It's why it continues to be popular. Don't fuck up a good idea. Sure, change the viewpoint (2d to 3d) and implement a new control system, but *dont* change the core gameplay.

    What makes a game *good* is the story but great graphics absolutely increase the enjoyment. Crysis is a fucking stunner, in that regard, and has a top 'marines and guns versus aliens' story to go with. It's the kind of game that has you grinning from start to (almost) end. It's no different to watching the next big sci-fi movie and if *that* were to suddenly revert back to Dr Who special effects, you'd have Joe Public in uproar.
    Edited by 1 at 23/12/07 @ 23:46

  • Kryon #170 4 years ago

    Oh, What a surprise! Smelly turns up moaning about how all FPS are grey and rubbish and turns a UT3 thread into a discussion about Mario....

    @Apolol

    "You gotta get paid to be here 24/7 dude."

    LOL, yeah, because you hardly ever post on EG do you Apolol? At least you didn't try and argue with patchbox360's comment...

  • reddevil93 #171 4 years ago

    Wow. You really are desperate to get the last word, aren't you kryon?

  • Kryon #172 4 years ago

    Wow, another SDF member who is upset by the truth in patchbox360's comment hence resorts to comments of a personal nature.

  • Kryon #173 4 years ago

    ^ Nah, there's no way that's Apolol, he isn't that well rounded and certainly can't spell that well.

  • Quak #174 4 years ago

    > You guy's like yours X360, and we like ours Ps3

    Why is it PS3 fans can't string a sentence together without flooding it with spelling and grammatical errors? It hints at their IQ being around the same value as the number of decent games on the console.

    > Ps3 is a great machine, with great on-line service (i love PsStore, the fact that multiplayer is for free and the project HOME that will hopefully come out next year)

    So you love something because - despite being shit, it's free. You also love something else that isn't even out yet. Ok...

    > i especially like Warhawk, COD 4, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Motorstorm, REsistance Fall of Man and Ratchet&Clank: TOD...

    You *especially* like this lot? As opposed to the dozens of other games available on the PS3 that you simply like but not quite as much? This list of 6 games pretty much accounts for anything worth owning on the PS3, two of which had mediocre scores on EG and one of which is also on the 360.

    If anyone asked you to explain why you love the PS3 so much, what would you say?

    The games? /SLAP. The 360 has more games, more exclusives, and better versions of multi-format games.

    The hardware? /SLAP. The PS3 is just another over-hyped piece of hardware that although decent, isn't a fraction as powerful as Sony claims. PSone, PS2, PSP and now PS3 - all came with ridiculous claims of Toy Story graphics, individual strands of hair, "Xbox 1.5", "1.0 teraflop vs / 1.8 teraflop" etc. etc. Just look at the games on all of the consoles compared to their competitors - do they look twice as advanced? No, they don't.

    Features? /SLAP. PS3 has to be the biggest fuck-up of all time. Blu-ray - expensive trojan horse or the next generation of media? The 360 and PC are both doing fine with having their games on DVD. Is a console that's less powerful than both of those really going to need all that extra space?

    Ripping motion-sensing from Nintendo and ramming it into a 10-year-old PSone joypad two weeks before unveiling wasn't exactly clever. Trying to convince the world that it was always planned, that rumble and motion-sensing weren't possible together, and that rumble was "last-gen" was even less so. Now we have rumble coming back and are expected to believe that it's not because Sony has been getting arse-raped by a herd of elephants for making such a stupid mistake, but because it has now suddenly become technically possible.

    > 2008 is almost here and the games keep getting better and better (UT3 is just another great on-line shooter, altough i'm too much into COD4 and Warhawk to be specially excited about it).

    More non-exclusives to look forward to? Non-exclusives that will run better, faster, smoother on 360?

    Lucky you.

  • Quak #175 4 years ago

    Smelly is still posting bollocks on here?

    I remember a time he was convinced the Wii was going to be just as powerful as the X360 and the PS3.

    Yes, Nintendo had somehow managed to put together hardware that was just as powerful as the other two, which they were going to sell at half the price (price had just been released at the time) and still make a profit on it (as Nintendo always does on their hardware), despite MS and Sony losing money on theirs.

    The guy just would not accept that the hardware would HAVE to be less advanced for any of this to make sense.

    Anyone who speaks such utter rubbish automatically loses the right to express their opinion IMO, so you guys shouldn't let yourselves get too wound up.

  • Kryon #176 4 years ago

    LOL @ Quak! Brilliant posts, well written, very amusing and factually correct! I loved the whole "SLAP" thing too :D

  • skillian #177 4 years ago

    I'd never used the ignore function before, but between this thread and the extra content for GTA IV article, I've added a good 10 or so this week. Thanks Quak for making yourself so conspicuous. :)

  • tonynibbles #178 4 years ago

    @patchbox350 the xbox 360 is better than the ps3 because it has more games in every genre, higher rated games and cost less.

    Well, going on that logic, PS2 wins hands down then.

    Though, obviously that statement is flawed. By the very nature of testing, you have to look at things on a time-based comparison, else it's not a test, is it?
    You'd have to compare the average of every single exclusive XBox 360 game against every single exclusive PS3 game, since launch. And thats unlikely to prove anything other than perhaps a slightly lower 360 score (by the nature of averages).
    Another fair test would be to compare the first, say, 50 games. Average scores over cross-media reviews and then tally up an average for those 50 games.

    But why do all this anyway?
    So you can turn around and say, 'look at the stats, this one is better'?
    There was fuck all on the 360 for the first 9 months so why bitch about it being a similar case on the PS3?

    This argument is so old right now. Go home and play the consoles you love, and stop trying to justify the reasons you paid for that particular one in the first place. Why the fuck should you have to?
    Edited by 1 at 24/12/07 @ 15:14

  • Kryon #179 4 years ago

    Tony mate, what do you nibble? Is it cock by any chance? I got a bit of cheese on mine if you'd like to do the honours? ;-)

  • tonynibbles #180 4 years ago

    What?

    Grow up.

  • Kryon #181 4 years ago

    /grows up.

  • Quak #182 4 years ago

    > I'd never used the ignore function before, but between this thread and the extra content for GTA IV article, I've added a good 10 or so this week. Thanks Quak for making yourself so conspicuous. :)

    Always makes me laugh when people on here believe themselves to be SO IMPORTANT that anyone will actually give a fuck when they add people to their ignore list. =)

  • Apologie #183 4 years ago

    Both X360 and Ps3 are very capable and powerfull machines, yet you guy's claim (x360fanboys) that the Ps3 isn't as good as the X360 and was just a big waste of time and money (Orange Box dev, someone??) but how can we compare something brand new that hasn't had time to developed??? Comparing Ps3 to X360 is like expecting a baby to do the same things as a teenager, it takes tame for the dev's to fully experiment and adapt to the Ps3 powerfull processor (the thing that makes it totally diferent from the X360)... games are getting better and better and at the end of the first year we saw games like Warhawk, Uncharted, Ratchet, Heavenly Sword... that can already compete "and sometimes surpass" with anything the X360 can offer, next year will be even better, there are strong EXCLUSIVE titles coming that will explore the Ps3 architecture.

    Oh and Quak allow me to disagree, i truly enjoy the Ps3 "store and on-line capabilites/features... and the fact that is for free is something relevant, because i praticulary don't like to pay 2-3-4-5 times for the same game, it's a shame in my opinion that gamers have to pay that much for one game (especially given the recent emphasis on multiplayer content "games like Unreal and COD4" with almost no Single Player campaign, thouse games are 60-70 Euros, and if you want to play them completely you have to pay even more).... i congratulate sony for that, truly user friendly.
    Edited by 2 at 24/12/07 @ 18:12

  • Quak #184 4 years ago

    > Both X360 and Ps3 are very capable and powerfull machines, yet you guy's claim (x360fanboys) that the Ps3 isn't as good as the X360 and was just a big waste of time and money (Orange Box dev, someone??) but how can we compare something brand new that hasn't had time to developed??? Comparing Ps3 to X360 is like expecting a baby to do the same things as a teenager, it takes tame for the dev's to fully experiment and adapt to the Ps3 powerfull processor

    This argument seems to crop up from time to time, and I'm sure every PS3 fanboy sits there reading it, *hoping* that no-one is going to remember any facts.

    Sadly, people *do* remember facts. The PS3 dev-kit was shipped at the same time - if not sooner - than completed X360 dev-kits because - as I'm sure you hate to agree - the PS3 was supposed to be launched what was it? A full 9 months before it was actually launched? Now, you all come here and bitch about the 360's supposed 1 year head-start but the reality is that this 1 year was only relevant to when customers could go out and buy the kit. Developers had access to both dev-kits at around the same time, so this whole "baby being expected to do what a teenager can" thing you have going on here is unfortunately rubbish.

    Besides, even if this really was the case and the PS3 wasn't 9 months late to market, surely a console that is - and I quote from Sony here - 1.8 times as powerful as the Xbox 360 - should be able to produce better looking games right out of the box without developers requiring time to learn how to squeeze the last bits of power out of it?

    Could it be that Sony really was lying with all of that? :o

  • smelly #185 4 years ago

    *sigh*

    I *knew* this would happen when the above twat features bought up nintendo in this thread completely off topic. Just because i replied to him saying that mario has fuck all to do with this - all of a sudden everyone is accusing me of being a fucking fanboy again.

    All I said is i wanted some originality, something different in my shooters. As I'm getting bored of the same-old-same-old.

    And all of a sudden all that happens is dicks jump in a start accusing me of being a fanboy of x y or fucking z.

    Seriously children grow the fuck up.
    Edited by 1 at 24/12/07 @ 19:11

  • smelly #186 4 years ago

    "What makes a game *good* is the story but great graphics absolutely increase the enjoyment. "

    And I find that one single statement even more mind bafflingly depressing than any of the other shit posted on this thread. Yes even more depressing than saying someone cant have the opinion that fps games are tired and repetitive because he happens to own a nintendo platform.

    I totally fail to see how a story can make a game play better. The story is only there to keep you playing and to see what happens next. This USED to be done in days gone by - by just having imaginative levels. But since every game now has to be "realistic" to sell. Then bang goes any suprises in the worlds you play in. So you have to stick on a dull contrived story to keep the player playing.

    If I want a story, i'll go to the cinema watch a movie, or read a book. I play games to play them, not to sit back and watch them.

    But then according to you lot just because i own a nintendo console therefor my opinion is null and fucking void.

    I don't hate generic boring fps games BECAUSE i own a nintendo platform (which btw is the first nintendo console i've owned since the nes). I own a nintendo platform BECAUSE i got bored of generic boring fps games and wanted a change.

  • tonynibbles #187 4 years ago

    Quak: Always makes me laugh when people on here believe themselves to be SO IMPORTANT that anyone will actually give a fuck when they add people to their ignore list. =)

    Makes me laugh even harder when people reply about the people who've just ignored them. They can't hear you. They don't care.

    Anyway this thread is way off topic now.

    Unreal Tournament III on the PlayStation 3.
    It's a great game. Fast. Furious. Smooth. Pretty. 9/10.

  • George-Roper #188 4 years ago

    @smelly

    Oh where to begin...

    "I totally fail to see how a story can make a game play better. The story is only there to keep you playing and to see what happens next. This USED to be done in days gone by - by just having imaginative levels. But since every game now has to be "realistic" to sell. Then bang goes any suprises in the worlds you play in. So you have to stick on a dull contrived story to keep the player playing"

    Stories make games better by drawing a player in and making them care about the outcome. Space Invaders is a classic example of a throwaway game, purely because there's no narrative or story. I've had an absolute blast with World In Conflict (PC), Halo 3 (360) and Crysis (PC), *because* of the story. If they were generic, run of the mill, games with no backdrop, I wouldn't have played them to completion. Surprises come via developer imagination NOT contrived stories.

    "If I want a story, i'll go to the cinema watch a movie, or read a book. I play games to play them, not to sit back and watch them."

    You seem to be confusing games having a good story with having to sit there and read/listen to reams of dialogue. Tragic, really, especially as that mentality is often thrown at 360 owners on these forums.

    "But then according to you lot just because i own a nintendo console therefor my opinion is null and fucking void"

    When have I ever said that? Just who is this 'you lot'?

    "I don't hate generic boring fps games BECAUSE i own a nintendo platform (which btw is the first nintendo console i've owned since the nes). I own a nintendo platform BECAUSE i got bored of generic boring fps games and wanted a change"

    If you've based a 'change' of console , because of disliking a particular genre, then YOU are missing out on a shitload of quality games which don't belong to that particular genre. I'd list em out but frankly you come across as a braindead fanboi with that statement, so there's no point.

  • smelly #189 4 years ago

    "then YOU are missing out on a shitload of quality games which don't belong to that particular genre"

    No i'm not.. All the games i want to play are available to play on my pc - at cheaper costs & higher resolutions/frame rates.

  • George-Roper #190 4 years ago

    @smelly

    "No i'm not.. All the games i want to play are available to play on my pc - at cheaper costs & higher resolutions/frame rates"

    Ahh, the old 'games I want to play' switcheroo. Always a classic.

  • Kryon #191 4 years ago

    "No i'm not.. All the games i want to play are available to play on my pc - at cheaper costs & higher resolutions/frame rates. "

    The only 360 to PC ports are the "carbon copy, grey, dull" FPS you claim to hate so much, yet you say "the only 360 games you want are available on PC" hence you're completely contradicting yourself. You are such a Baboon! The 360 catalogue is not just FPS is it you idiot. Saying "lulz freesixtee iz just 4 teh FPS" is like saying the Wii is just for moronic children, homosexuals and little girls (although the latter is kinda true). You are just as bad if not worse than any 360 fanboy.

  • reddevil93 #192 4 years ago

    Kryon in coming on late at night to have the last word shocker. ;)

    But anyway, I'm not in the mood - Merry Christmas everyone, even the fanboys. :)

  • Kryon #193 4 years ago

    reddevil93 in coming on even later to have to last say shocker!

    Yeah anyway, Merry Xmas everyone, Oh and Apolol, try not to choke on a turkey bone, or a Sony executives cock! ;-)

  • patchbox360 #194 4 years ago

    'But then according to you lot just because i own a nintendo console therefor my opinion is null and fucking void.' - Amen to that, void like a blackhole hah

    anyway - microsoft has got this gen wrapped up nicely. real gamers follow games not consoles, however ps3 will inevitably pick up pace as it is a powerful machine (i think?) with a 10 year plan - however in my opinion microsoft probably has a 6 yr plan for the 360 and by the time the ps3 is ready to dragon punch all the 360 can offer the man Bill Gates will be revealling the 720 with chips and processers etc that should be far far far superior to the ps3 (in my opinion) and with a 4 yr head start sony may be joining the sega bandwagon sooner rather than later

    MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE

  • tonynibbles #195 4 years ago

    Wow, go you!

    Damn you're so right.
    That Bill Gates guy is just awesome, isn't he?
    You must be so glad you're giving all your money to him. Let's keep him in business and ensure that he continues in leaps and bounds, to one day realise that goal of his global monopoly. He's so good, isn't he? I love him too. You should go round his house play soggy biscuit together, wouldn't that be fun? Let's push Sony on to that SEGA bandwagon, so we can all sit back with a sigh of relief and say "Isn't the world a better place now that I can play all my games on XBox 360, without having to worry about a competing console in the same market?".

    Aw, that would be great, wouldn't it? Let's just hold that thought for a minute.

    Jeez - Merry Christmas, everyone.

  • DjFlex52 #196 4 years ago

    "Isn't the world a better place now that I can play all my games on XBox 360, without having to worry about a competing console in the same market?".

    @tonynibbles

    And is that what you said when Sony did it to Sega?

  • Kryon #197 4 years ago

    tonynibblescock is a nob, you only have to check his profile pic to see that.

  • Apologie #198 4 years ago

    This is getting a little ridiculous. It seems that Microsoft will ban you from Xbox Live for just about anything these days, including fan modifications.

    Over at Maxconsole.net, Malloc posts an email he received from a man whose friend’s Xbox 360 was banned from Live for having a fan modification. Apparently voltage is easy to detect through Bios settings, so installing a huge fan is going to undoubtedly raise red flags.

    When his friend contacted Microsoft customer support in regards to ban, they confirmed that he was indeed banned for using a custom fan, as opposed to the stock one.

    “…Microsoft have started banning xbox 360’s with modded cooling. So if you’ve done the 12v mod your in risk of being banned for it…. How do I know this?? Because a friend of mine just had a nice chat with Microsoft About why he was banned and they explained it was because he had non-stock/modded fans.”

    Given the 360’s tendency to overheat, this is sad news, especially considering that your only other option is to purchase a Nyko Intercooler, which reportedly drains too much power from the console and causes a general hardware failure.

    I know that Microsoft extended the warranty on all consoles to three years, which is great and all, but it’s still entirely possible for your system to go kaput after the warranty is up. Banning users for trying to save their $350 console that’s prone to breaking is pretty much bullshit.

    ---------- That´s how Microsoft will keep Xfailure 360 on sales in 2008. mICROSOFT RULES KYRON :)
    Edited by 1 at 26/12/07 @ 15:40

  • patchbox360 #199 4 years ago

    @tonynibbles

    yeah i guess goin around to the worlds richest man's house would be terrible, i'd be so boring haha

    anyway - at the end of the day bill/microsoft seem to have sony under leash - i loved the ps2 and what sony stood at that time but it seems they have been caught out this gen by relying on the success of the ps1/ps2. Sony have loss focus and now its all about bringing the new blockbuster movie style hit (heavenly sword, lair etc etc) - thing is the gaming industry is simple - give gamers playable games and alot of variety with graphics being the icing on the cake = success aka microsoft




  • Kryon #200 4 years ago

    Apolol, I love the way you don't provide a link. The only people who MS has actually banned had modified firmware not just a fan mod!

    The reason that this was even brought to people's attention is that the 12v mod is detectable and is a sure way for MS to see if you've opened your box. It is not confirmed that they are definitely banning based on this information only, because every person who's had this 12v mod that was banned ( that we know of) , has also had modified firmware

  • tonynibbles #201 4 years ago

    I disagree, patchbox.

    Whilst Sony have done a great job and recieved much praise for titles like Heavenly Sword and Uncharted (their cinematic styles breaking new ground in the games industry - although Heavenly Sword failing to move gameplay elements forward).

    New PS3 games such as Tori Emaki, Creature Feature, LocoRoco Corechoco, fl0w, SingStars community features, Eye of Judgement and many more in the works - are all great examples of Sony producing truly innovative titles that are only ever a good thing for the industry.

    Sony are certainly not on any sort of Microsoft leash - and if they were, that would not be good for anyone.

    Please, it's pointless arguing that a microsoft-controlled games industry is a good thing - variety and innovation are essential. It's a good thing that there is healthy competition between Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.
    Support who you will, but don't step in and say any one of these companies should cease to exist - no one will benefit from that.

  • Les #202 4 years ago

    "Well, going on that logic, PS2 wins hands down then."

    Yeah, it still does... PS3 and 360 are both huge failures. Get over it (not aimed at you btw, tonynibbles)
    Edited by 1 at 27/12/07 @ 08:55

  • Les #203 4 years ago

    "It's a good thing that there is healthy competition between Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo."

    Except that there isn't. Without it's Windows/Office extortion money MS could never have entered the market. And this gen it's using its monopoly money to buy exclusives. Which is nice for the few 360 owners while it lasts, but not so nice for the rest of the world because we fucking paid/are paying for that shit.
    Edited by 1 at 28/12/07 @ 11:01

  • Kryon #204 4 years ago

    "we fucking paid for that shit."

    Hahahaaa, yeah, suck it up and get over it yourself. Or of course if you weren't a brand loyal Sony fanboy you could just buy a 360?

    "Bew-hew, MS is evil for making sure their system has good games on it"

    Get a life kid.

  • Kryon #205 4 years ago

    Les, you make out like it's our fault that Sony is a poor tramp of a has-been company who can't afford to pay to secure exclusive titles for their customers? The world doesn't owe them or you a living y-know.

  • tonynibbles #206 4 years ago

    Wow, I just clicked ignore and now this thread is a whole *page* shorter.

    There are some things in life we can all live without, Kryon is one of those things.

  • Les #207 4 years ago

    “You're as much a fanboy as he is, surely it was Les who baited him into such a response? Oh but Les has the same blinkered SDF point of view as yourself so he's not to be ignored.... Childish, to say the least my friend.. “

    Why would I ‘bait’ anybody?! Just give my opinion here. If people react stupidly to it (like most do) that’s their problem, not mine. As to the SDF reference, clearly you don’t read my (not so regular) contributions around here… But for most stupid people not kissing MS's ass is equal to being a huge Sony fan.

    “Also, why do people 'announce' the fact they are choosing to ignore another poster? It's tit for tat and also extremely childish. If you want to ignore him, go ahead, you don't need to tell us though as quite frankly no one gives a toss. Grow up.”

    Actually, it makes sense: Trolls are get satisfaction by knowing that other people read their idiot comments. Announcing to the troll that you’ll ignore them from now on will definitely take some of the fun of trolling away. Btw, thought I had ignored you too, but for some reason you still show up… Will try again.
    Edited by 1 at 28/12/07 @ 21:31

  • Les #208 4 years ago

    "You actually do come across as a total idiot and yes you are a Sony fanboy/troll so feel free to ignore me too, trust me, it really won't bother me as I've already added you to my list. Ignore button = fun doesn't it."

    Lets do us both a favour then... The fewer fanboy wars around here the better I think :)

  • Quak #209 4 years ago

    > Makes me laugh even harder when people reply about the people who've just ignored them. They can't hear you. They don't care.

    Who said I was talking to him? Perhaps if I was I would have used the word "you" instead of the word "they"?

    Try thinking before you post next time, eh?

    > tonynibblescock is a nob, you only have to check his profile pic to see that.

    LOL, I'd have to agree on that one!
    Edited by 1 at 31/12/07 @ 16:14

  • polymorph #210 4 years ago

    Mine arrived yesterday, been playing the campaign since.
    Loving it so far, although after 2 genarations im happy with twin sticks for fps's, its so lovely to be able to use a mouse and keyboard (im using a wireless ms duo which works great). my bluetooth headset is in the post so im looking forward to the online play.

  • Mr_Bison #211 4 years ago

    This thread is now officially unreadable and has mutated into a pissing contest...you sad people

  • koji_m #212 4 years ago

    picked it up yesterday, been having a blast with it

    really has this good old "UT feel" on it, and that on a console! :D