Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords Review

Natty Dread.

Version tested: PC

The success of the last Galactic Civilizations was hailed as a David and Goliath situation, where Galactic Civilizations managed to out-perform the money-draped Master of Orion III. In the towering Goliath corner, a team whose art department was "only" five people. In the David corner, a whole development team less than five people. While the details of the victory were somewhat less than stirring - in the same way the Biblical David and Goliath story would have been less impressive if David's victory was secured by Goliath walking onto the battlefield, immediately throwing himself off a cliff while punching himself repeatedly in the face - GalCiv was exactly what the space-exploration empire-building beard-sporting kids wanted. A big, complicated, dedicated, intelligent game of universal domination.

And lo! It was good. And lo! It sold. And lo! Here's its sequel.

Conceptually, it's thankfully very similar ground, which is to be expected. (After all, Stardock's savvy enough not to introduce things like wandering off to have a look at what's in that field over there design-geographically speaking, which was part of MOO3's failings.) Playing one of the game's space races, you get into a race in space to dominate the universe, however you choose. From your initial planets, you send out colony ships to take over uninhabited worlds, develop your available landspace, build armies to conquer, merchant transporters to trade, engage in simple-yet-powerful diplomacy between your peer group, and research the proverbially sprawling tech tree.

'Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords' Screenshot eyes

Never trust someone with no discernable eyebrows. They're up to no good.

There's a lot to do. There really is. It's the sort of game where the manual isn't something to pad out the game-box, but rather absolutely essential to providing the requisite infodump to play the bally thing. The game regularly stresses Douglas Adams' observation that space is big. Well, if Mr Adams was alive today and played GalCiv 2, he'd probably add the rider "as is Galactic Civilizations 2". And, if he played the narrative campaign, which offers a neat series of challenge missions to play through, he may add "and the Dread Lords are absolute Basts".

In terms of new additions, what's more immediately noticeable is the use of 3D graphics rather than the plain flat world of old, and while it's unlikely to feature alongside the painterly scenes from Shadow of the Colossus as an example of the subtle universes it's possible to construct in videogames, GalCiv 2's far more aesthetically pleasing. Spinning around the map, zooming out to get the bigger picture, zooming in to have a look at the fins of your spaceships - it's functional. For a game like this, functional is what really matters.

Another welcome improvement is the ship constructor. Rather than being stuck with basic ship models, you're able to construct your own. Each hull you research has a variable amount of space, which you can fill with engines, armour, weapons and the various components that make up a self-respecting interplanetary vessel. The tactical considerations for maximising your fleet's abilities will devour almost as many hours as the ability to add knobbly, attractive and entirely unfunctional bits FOR FREE onto each vessel. The mixture of hard strategy and gadabout feyness is generally inspiring.

Oh - a few special words for the AI, which is simply exemplary. I've spent much of the time playing it feeling really stupid, in much the same way you feel dumb when your partner comes in and points out that what you've been doing to clean the kitchen is both terribly inefficient and actually totally ineffective, and rather you should be doing this. It plays viciously, yet doesn't appear to cheat. It just seems to be better at the game than you are which is exactly how it should be.

'Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords' Screenshot gladstone

"Introduce me to Gladstone!" "Hello!" "Ooh!"

It's big. Big and good. Big and good and big. And good.

And big.

Yes.

What prevents this getting the 9 harks back to what I said earlier. For a game like this, functional is what really matters and there's assorted elements that conspire to make it less functional than you'll wish. For a start, it's particularly hard to get into. The tutorials are videos you watch, explaining the mechanisms and all set outside the engine itself as you may have become accustomed to. While this will give you the basics of how to interact, you're left struggling in terms of actually having a clue how to play the game. Often it's a little like having a driving instructor explaining what all the various levers in the car are for then leaving you to it.

While learning on the job is one thing - and while the AI will punish you for your errors, watching what it does is the best way to pick up basic strategy - when you're left to puzzle out particularly obfuscatory mechanics by yourself it's somewhat less than ideal. For example, its production mechanisms are considerably different from many turn-based games you'll have played, with factories equalling maximum production rather than a bonus which... oh, you don't really need to know the mechanics for a review. Hell - on a train journey with Walker a few days ago, I filled him with fear by reading out sections of the Galactic Civilization 2 manual casually mentioning that the bonus for one thing is the square root of another (which isn't to say that despite its space being full of numbers, the game's cold in any way).

On the contrary, GalCiv 2 has real personality and a distinctive atmosphere, with explanatory texts of a situation often being genuinely witty and playful. Special mention must be made to the computer AI, when set on lower levels, will complain that they'd be able to beat you if only they were turned on properly. As far as turn-based go, that's class.

'Galactic Civilizations II: Dread Lords' Screenshot developed

A barely developed planet before it developed something, let me tell you.

The second problem is some general twitchiness around the interface. Many elements exist to make ruling your possibly massive civilization easier, but others are obscured. Managing fleets of ships occasionally proves tricky, in terms of wanting to interact with one member of a fleet. For example, setting a rally point over a planet pretty much makes selecting the planet impossible, and while setting rally points for construction queues is easy to manage via Governors, initially getting to it seems buried several screens into the interface.

And so on... none of these are fatal, but they're slow abrasions against your experience.

You sense that this is going to be some people's game of the year. Hell, with the amount of actual game here, it's possible that could be in a purely literal sense: in that they won't bother playing anything else because this will happily occupy all the time you care to throw at it. If you're prepared to wrestle with the occasionally unfriendly interface and figure out the unintuitive systems, there's every chance you'll be one of them. Conversely, if you aren't... well, it's unlikely you'll be even reading this review; instead you'll be sitting on the news pages and desperately refreshing news about the latest update to Princess Pooble racing.

You want more? You're willing to pay in sweat, blood and tears to get back the thrill-induced sweaty palms as an unexpected invasion closes in on your largest colony, drink the fresh blood to this genre and shed tears of joy at the amount of sheer, unleashed games on display here? Well, you've read this far. It's unlikely that you'll let whatever mark that's just down the page from this stop you. And I wouldn't try to convince you otherwise.

Have fun.

8 / 10

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Comments (35) Latest comment 6 years ago

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  • UncleLou #1 6 years ago

    Conversely, if you aren't... well, it's unlikely you'll be even reading this review; instead you'll be sitting on the news pages and desperately refreshing news about the latest update to Princess Pooble racing.

    :D

    Good review, pretty much agree with it. I also can't stress enough how good the diplomacy is. It takes the best bits out of the SMAC and Civ diplomacy, and improves it in every regard.
  • lemonfist #2 6 years ago

    Hmm, I'm really interested in this, but dunno if I should just get the now much cheaper predecessor.
  • BremXJones #3 6 years ago

    Re: Diplomacy. Yeah, it's really simple but really powerful. And they're bastards, bless 'em.

    Re: Lemonfist. Well, you could. If it's so much cheaper, you could use as a dabble. However if you're interested, to be honest, I'd just get the new one.

    KG
    Edited by 1 at 06/03/06 @ 12:14
  • WrongShui #4 6 years ago

    For £25, its fantastic.
  • Amajiro #5 6 years ago

    One of your best reviews KG - some funny lines in there. I also have to agree about it making one feel stupid, it is exactly like the AI has spent hours poring over the manual that I haven't bothered to read.
  • Genji #6 6 years ago

    Right now, Civ4 seems to be hitting the right balance of complexity for me. Judging from the review, this looks a bit too daunting.

    I'd love some decent AI in Civ4, though. :-(
  • kangarootoo #7 6 years ago

    "It's big. Big and good. Big and good and big. And good.

    And big.

    Yes."

    You haven't been listening to "The Soddit", voiced by Jon Culshaw have you? Something in the diction of those sentences reminded me of his Gandef character :)

    Its surprisingly good, after a bit of a slow start, for anyone who hasn't heard it.
  • cov #8 6 years ago

    £17.99 at amazon for the limited edition (metal case)
  • Fozzie_bear #9 6 years ago

    Right now, Civ4 seems to be hitting the right balance of complexity for me. Judging from the review, this looks a bit too daunting.

    I'd love some decent AI in Civ4, though. :-(


    Yup - sums up my feelings too. The game sounds very good but i just know that it'll be too daunting for me and i just won't have the time / patience to stick with it.

    The AI in Civ 4's fine as far as i'm concerned though. 'Warlord' level still gives me a ggod game :/
  • mojo_x #10 6 years ago

    UncleLou- re: Good review, pretty much agree with it. I also can't stress enough how good the diplomacy is. It takes the best bits out of the SMAC and Civ diplomacy, and improves it in every regard.

    OK you've basically sold the game to me in a single paragraph... diplomacy is essential in a game like this and SMAC still wears the crown. I've been playing Stars! since 97... maybe its time to move on to this :)

    Btw, does anyone know if you can name your fleets / ship designs? That was one of my favourite aspects of Stars! Conqueiring an enemy planet with a fleet of 400 "MegaUberPlanetDestroyerKillers Mk3's" was cool ;)
    Edited by 1 at 06/03/06 @ 13:18
  • paketep #11 6 years ago

    Great game + no stupid copy protection = you get my money

    A lot of publishers should learn a lesson or two (or ten) from Stardock & Paradox.
  • Genji #12 6 years ago

    "The AI in Civ 4's fine as far as i'm concerned though. 'Warlord' level still gives me a ggod game :/"

    Oh dear :-(

    Try reading the Civ Fanatics forums for strategies and tips. Doing that got me from Noble to Monarch.
  • cymro #13 6 years ago

  • TripSkyway #14 6 years ago

    I bought this the other day, the tutorials are a bit obscure. It's not even make clear how you win, until you delve into the manual.

    I'm still on my first game as I've been playing it mostly in breaks from working. But it works really well as a quick go, and a long session. In the brief time I've spent exploring(both the universe and the rules) I've really enjoyed myself.
  • urban #15 6 years ago

    seemed like a daunting task..no ta :)
  • azurelas_2 #16 6 years ago

    I know I shouldn't be doing this, but I'm selling Galciv 1 for 15euros (live in belgium)
    anybody interested, e-mail me at azurelas@hotmail.com
  • Eldritch #17 6 years ago

    I'm still waiting for a game of that depth to be visually appealing, too. It's like buying pyjamas at C&A. "You look shit anyway, so why bother selling nice pyjamas to you?"
  • Masarin #18 6 years ago

    Indeed the metal box is awesome. Here in Europe you'll get the extra Collectors Edition content too, with the first batch. Way to go!

  • BremXJones #19 6 years ago

    mojo: "Btw, does anyone know if you can name your fleets / ship designs? That was one of my favourite aspects of Stars! Conqueiring an enemy planet with a fleet of 400 "MegaUberPlanetDestroyerKillers Mk3's" was cool ;)"

    Yes, you can. And since you can really go to town on your designs, you're rarely stuck for inspiration. All my fighters have enormous rings hanging off the back.

    KG
  • UncleLou #20 6 years ago

    Without wanting to distract from this excellent review here (/sucks up), I suggest checking out the Gamespy review for a pretty good impression of what the AI is capable of (on page 2, I think). :)

    Quick quote:

    They had also given technology to the Iconians and encouraged them to go to war with me, all to pull me out of position and swoop in for the kill. I found this out because the computer AI sent me a message taunting me for my stupidity in falling for it!
    Edited by 1 at 06/03/06 @ 14:02
  • neuroniky #21 6 years ago

    Now, I have yet to play this, but I have to side along with MOO3 after reading this review. Master of Orion 3 was bug ridden, as unfinished as it could come, missing 90% of the manual... but it is an original, completely fresh take at the galactic conquest game. Try it now, with the official patches, the community patches, the community civilopedia and maybe some of the mods out there, and you'll see if I'm wrong. You need to adapt to a new style of game, to change your way of thinking about this kind of game, you have to stop micromanaging and embrace the new macromanagement world of MOO3... and then you have at hand one of the best strategic game ever released.
  • T4RG4 #22 6 years ago

    Looks great! I want to know how many copies the previous game sold, anyone know?
  • Lummox #23 6 years ago

    Having played this game over the weekend (after being distinctly unimpressed with Civ 4 which came over as Civ 2 with 3D graphics) I've generally been very impressed with it. My only gripe is that I wish the tutorials were interactive, rather than merely being videos. I also like the sense of humour - ie. the population growth bonuses which are listed as "Frisky", "Very Frisky", "Fruitful" and "Don't Ask" :-)
  • TheJuriel #24 6 years ago

    The game would be fine, if it could just decide whether it wants to focus on micromanagement OR the big picture. You cannot have it both ways, which makes the game annoying. It has promise, but MoO2 is still the best.

    Which is quite sad.
  • Mr_Brown #25 6 years ago

    Great reviews all round. Found it hard to get back into games like this after Civ II...I have tried but just can't get into Civ IV...just feel I've done it all a million times before. This may be the breath of fresh air the genre needs to get me back into it...
  • Xerx3s #26 6 years ago

    Argh! Curses! Now you got civ4 into me brain again! Just when i was detoxed! ;p
  • max #27 6 years ago

    I drove all over Seattle on Saturday trying to find a copy of this and I was glad I found one in the end. Its the first game in a long time that has kept me up til 3am. The tutorials are rather annoying for not being interactive, and I haven't yet tried to read the manual; I have so far succeeded by trial-and-error. I am on my third game, but the first two games I aborted after failing so badly there was no hope for my recovery. This third game is going rather well.

    It is great when you do something stupendously stupid, like last night when I had built a fleet of 40 heavy fighters and 10 colony ships and taken over one of the smaller civilisations, I then turned my attentions to the other small race and sent my fleet over there. Only I had forgotten that I had built these particular fighters for the express purpose of taking out ships armed with missiles, and consequently they were decimated by a fleet 1/2 the size armed with mass drivers. Oops!

    A hasty retreat, 15 minutes in the shipyard designing the "Punisher" to deal with the pesky Yor ships, a quick building/buying spree and then back across the galaxy to make them pay.

    I love this game!

    Max
  • swisstony99 #28 6 years ago

    I wonder how this compares to Space Empires IV, only apart from 3D graphics, almost everything in the review might apply there. I thorougly enjoyed Space Empires, so Galciv looks ok. If the reviewer's played both, I'd be interested to read a direct comparison.

    Oh, and SEIV completely pwnnd MoO2
  • reality_cheque #29 6 years ago

    I've stopped playing SEIV now, as I just got bored with playing against the AI and humans take too long - I found the AI to be quite boring tbh.

    This, I might just take a peek at. Is there a demo about?
  • lemonfist #30 6 years ago

    There's something about a demo here: http://www .gbase.ch/global/news/24618.html

    My German is not what it used to be, but I think it says it'll be available for download after the game's release.
  • praxis22 #31 6 years ago

    Well, I wandered around town in Germany trying to find it, and the people who even knew what it was said "es ist neu..." Too neu apparently. So I came back home and bought online, from Stardock. A first for me. But for a big open ended strategy game, with no copy protection, (et tu Starforce!) no requirement to keep the disc in the drive, and no need for a serial number unless you want updates, that something I'm willing to buy online for. I'm especially chuffed that they get all the cash, and the dev responses on the web site as to bugs, etc. are nothing short of amazing.

    So I shall eat my kebap and then get stuck in. Marvellous!
  • SentientNr6 #32 6 years ago

    Good review Kieron, I enjoyed it thanks!
    The game looks interesting but complex.
    One of the things I loved about CiV IV is that they took the tedious stuff out.
    I fear this game puts them back in.
    Anyway gonne buy it probably cause of the ship editor, AI and no copyright protection thing.
    Read that publishers?
  • Collie #33 6 years ago

    I'm actually quite tempted by this, although I probably wouldn't want to pay more than £15. So I could be waiting a while to buy it then...
  • mingster #34 6 years ago

    I downloaded mine direct from stardock too worked fine.. obviously dont get the nice metal tin but o well.. If you do download from stardock remeber to download all the multimedia bits etc.. as well is about an extra 500meg ) you can play game without them but you dont get any movies nor extra bits n bobs.

    Stardocks customer support are truly excellent the developers continously post in the forum you can even talk to them and get direct help on #irc and they even let you download the latest internal builds if you want to try them out http://www.galciv 2.com/latestbuild/
  • daedalus2 #35 6 years ago

    Wow, I just noticed the most obscure Chris Morris reference EVER in the caption. Huzzah.