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NVIDIA's Roy Taylor Interview

PC Interview by Rob Fahey

10 June, 2008

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Eurogamer: One question which always comes up whenever we discuss the PC market is piracy. The "is PC gaming dying?" debate is nonsense, of course, but we're at the point of the cycle again where the consoles are turning out gaming experiences comparable with high-end PCs - and they don't have the piracy problem that the PC does.

Roy Taylor: I think that we're going to see more digital authentication, and we're going to see more of an approach that says that PC games aren't products - they're a service. You're going to start out with a basic service, which is the game, and then increase the value of that service through patches, mod packs, expansions, maps and so on. That's the direction it's going to go, because the pirates are just killing the developers - and I think it's really unfair what they're doing.

In terms of your other point, which you're right, is related - in terms of where PC development sits relative to consoles, I think we have to face the facts - the value of consoles is such that no-one is going to make a PC-exclusive game in the future. Why would they? Why would they ignore consoles? That said, PC gaming is changing - and consoles don't threaten PC gaming. They're just different. Adapting to that and understanding that is what I think is really, really important. Most PC gamers also own consoles - not all of them, but a lot of them. What we're seeing happen is that, yes, people are developing for Xbox 360, for PS3 - but they're also developing for PC.

The console is now a baseline. If you look at Gears of War or Assassin's Creed, they came out on console and they were great experiences - but the PC versions had additional aspects to them that also made them attractive, whether you owned the console version or not. The PC version was better. That's something that people need to get their heads around - the console is a baseline, the PC is going to be an improved version. That's an exciting future, and that's why I don't see anything threatening about console at all.

The other aspect is that in the past, PC gaming development meant pandering to the lowest common denominator - which meant some poor integrated graphics. Today, developing a PC game means starting at a console, and console graphics are way above integrated graphics. That means the baseline is getting better. Now we're going to add to that version additional features, additional content, to make the PC version even better.

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Modern PCs take many shapes, but you don't need to spend more than GBP 1000 to get one that can play every game out there, Taylor points out.

Eurogamer: When you talk about the baseline being better, that's great for people who have systems that can run games at that level - but aren't you concerned that PC gaming is leaving swathes of older machines, especially laptops, behind?

Roy Taylor: If you look at the last set of Mercury numbers, on the face of it, we're number two behind Intel - these are the figures for all graphics parts. But this doesn't take into consideration "double attach". Last year, 2007, according to publicly available statistics there were 366 million graphics solutions shipped - integrated and add-in cards. However, there were only 273 million CPUs shipped.

Eurogamer: So people with integrated graphics have also installed an add-in card...

Roy Taylor: That's called double attach, and once you take out the double attach number, you can see that that's not the case. NVIDIA is number one, and has been number one for a long time. That's the number we're sharing with publishers. There is now a justifiable return on investment for making good 3D, good graphics in your games, because there is a very large installed base of GeForce gamers. We estimate that we have over 180 million active GeForce users. That's a much bigger installed base than PS3 or Xbox 360!

Eurogamer: When you say GeForce users, though, how far back in the GeForce family are you going?

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NVIDIA makes the RSX graphics part inside PS3, but Taylor points out that GeForce's installed base is many times bigger than any of the next-gen consoles'.

Roy Taylor: A very successful PC game sells 2 to 3 million - well, we have more than enough GeForce users for that too. Crysis has sold over a million copies on PC, despite everything. BioShock sold over a million on PC. Pick any successful PC title you can think of - selling over a million is being done, and will continue to happen. So I wouldn't say that we're leaving people behind. We've sold enough GeForce GPUs to more than justify the return on investment.

Eurogamer: Even when you see the "enhanced" PC version, it might run at a higher resolution, but the graphics aren't that far ahead of what you'll get on a console. The developer isn't going to go back in and re-do all of the art for the PC version. Doesn't that mean that people who invest in high-end GPUs are going to end up running games which don't look as good as they should because they're designed for an inferior system?

Roy Taylor: Well, I think the console makers wouldn't say that they're hugely inferior...

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Dizzy
10/06/08 @ 10:38
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/strokes ATI card

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seasidebaz
10/06/08 @ 10:43
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So... my Core2Duo isn't a parallel processor?

Seems to me I can do 2 things at once on it... And how would an nVidia GPU speed up a multithreaded database application?
Razz
10/06/08 @ 10:46
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Holy shit! It's Frankie Howard. :O
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10/06/08 @ 10:54
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Yes, there is. The simple answer is yes. We hear you, and you're not the first people to raise it - it is a challenge that we're looking at right now. There is a need to simplify it for consumers, there's no question. We agree.

Guys, I think he agrees.
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10/06/08 @ 10:54
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i'm sorry but you need a good CPU to get the best from your GPU and vice versa, an 8800GT on P4 is just a waste of money.

Graphics cards alone do not a pc make.....
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10/06/08 @ 10:55
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You sure about that?
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10/06/08 @ 11:06
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So this lad is telling us we should buy nvidia graphic cards to play games that could be played on consoles that cost half the price, cos they look better and might have a added level or two. Makes the wait for GTA 4 worthwhile.
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10/06/08 @ 11:08
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@seasidebaz - no it's not. You are multi-processing, not parallel-processing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_...

You can do two things at once on it because you have two cores, each doing one thing. But they are not parallel processing - they are multitasking. You need specially written code to parallel process.

@xXxSTARSxXx - all PC games are shit other than Diablo 2?
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"I'm sorry but you need a good CPU to get the best from your GPU and vice versa, an 8800GT on P4 is just a waste of money.

Graphics cards alone do not a pc make....."

EXACTLY !!! Taylor is right but all his answers were pro GPU - OS's like MS' aren't centred around the GPUs parallel processing abilities but around the serial and sequential abilities (multi-task) of your CPU. The gcard will always be a cpu's bitch for a long time to come.

He makes some good points but people should strike a balance on their investments with medium market components and OC ! SIMPLE !!! EVGA Forums FTW ... its becoming very simple these days tbh

I work as .Net Deployment Engineer, a gpu is not going to help me crunch numbers like a cpu would but i don;t think that situation is going to change so long as the helm is upheld by intel for a long time to come.
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10/06/08 @ 11:10
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Nice interview.

The comment about there being 180 million Geforce users was a bit cheeky though. Especially since anything older than a 6800 is not going to be able to play the latest games and, arguably, you really need a 8800 card (and a decent base PC) to match what the 360 and PS3 are putting out.

That said, I do agree that PC gaming has a good future ahead of it as long as publishers and developers continue to treat it as an equal with the consoles. The biggest threat is this tendency to launch a game with the console versions and follow up with the PC later. In that sense, Bioshock got it right; Halo 2 is a very obvious example of getting it very, very wrong. And I think I'm right in saying that the sales of those two games reflected that.
Ogs
10/06/08 @ 11:12
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Gears of War superior on PC ? I dont think so. That game stuttered like crazy on even the highest-end rigs, the experience was awful, and still theres no patch to sort it out. It wouldnt surprise me that a reason people pirate PC games is to avoid being bit on the arse when games like that come out with the headaches they cause. No one likes spending money on a PC game most stores wont accept back if it doesnt work properly. As much as i like Epic, that game left a real bad taste in my mouth (on the 360 it was awesome however).
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10/06/08 @ 11:15
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I personally believe PC piracy is nothing to worry about on the PC platform for developers.

Just let developers make crysis for the 360, make their money of the fan boys ... then release a better version
orientated, aimed, optimized for PCs such as GoW / Cod4 /Ass' Creed / GTA 4 / Mass Effect and etc. Some haven't been released but you should get what i mean. If Gow and Cred are anything to go by, am happy to wait after the console releases for a better version
of the game with added content for a lower price tag. What's to complain with that formula so far?

DUDE - i played and finished GoW on the PC and am half way threw the co-op campaign. What r u on abt? If you were to tell me crysis runs like a dream on your said machine then am sorry but your talking s*it.

I second chalees comment. \o/
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Chalee
10/06/08 @ 11:16
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No Ogs - it doesn't stutter. I've got a quad-core with a single 8800 and 2 gigs of ram, which is pretty high end but not 'the highest end', and it very simple does not stutter, even with practically everything on high it runs smooth as silk.

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10/06/08 @ 11:16
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@systems:

I mean from the perspective of development, if I run two seperate commands on different cores, utilising different threads, is that not parallel processing?

It seems that what he was saying was that no matter how many cores your machine has, it only ever executes things one after the other. Unless you have an nVidia card. I could show him a bit of code that proves otherwise, would take about 10 minutes to write.
dudefella
10/06/08 @ 11:21
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I'm glad I own a 360, a PS3 and a good Quad-core 8800GT PC, I can pick and choose the best version of every game. Being a PC-only gamer would kill me, having to wait for the PC version or not getting games outright.

That said I have to say, when you own a 360 there is very little reason for a high end PC, especially if you're on a budget. No hassle, you get most of the games even earlier. The only game I'd really have missed without this PC is Crysis, and while it is extremely good, it's not exactly worth 600 euros alone to play.
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10/06/08 @ 11:22
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I have an 3 year old Athlon64 3000 with a 7900 GT, and Gears doesn't stutter at all.

I guess it also proves his point that it's more important to spend your money on the GFX card rather than the CPU.
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10/06/08 @ 11:25
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Crysis runs smoothly on my rig. GoW stutters throughout the game. Just search for "gears of war stutter" on google and you will see how bad it is. My rig -

AMD X2 6000+
4GB DDR2 Memory
GeForce 8800GT 512MB
Vista Home Premium

I run the game with everything on highest, in DX9. The game runs at 60+ FPS, but the stutters ruin it. Im not a PC fuckwit, i keep this system clean as a whistle and updated. I dont overclock, i dont fiddle with nvidia settings, everything at stock. Other games using the UE3 engine run absolutely fine (Even UT3, infact thats a damn well optimized game) but GoW has problems.
seasidebaz
10/06/08 @ 11:28
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"I run the game with everything on highest, in DX9"

I thought that running DX9 on vista used a compatibility layer, and so everything ran better in DX10?

Might be wrong though...
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10/06/08 @ 11:28
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Agreed, Gears is a very buggy piece of software that has a number of different problems (apart from the problem of being MS' flagship GFW title).

Your issue however is a bug rather than a performance problem, there's no doubt if the bugs were fixed it would be a far superior experince to the 360 version.

BadBoyBonner
10/06/08 @ 11:30
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Ogs

Gears of War Stuttering Fix - Worked For Me

C:\Documents and Settings\YourUserName\My Documents\My Games\Gears of War for Windows\WarGame\Config\WarEngineUserSettings.ini

Change: OnlyStreamInTextures=FALSE into OnlyStreamInTextures=TRUE

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=13...
kingdumpalot
10/06/08 @ 11:33
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I totally agree that having a fast graphics card is more important than having a fast processor.

That's been the case for a while with regards to games, but this is going to become doubly important when we start seeing CUDA enabled applications, which use all that graphics ability for number crunching in everyday programs. Then the graphics card will not just be about games, as it traditionally has been. I've always thought the the graphics hardware is completely wasted for 95% of the time, I'm glad they're making moves to harness it. Is it too much to ask for microsoft to have Windows 7 using the graphics card, as well as the CPU for it's work?

One thing that does puzzle me is the timeframe we're looking at for these things. It's been said the new photoshop will use the GPU this winter, but I've heard literally nothing else using CUDA or the ATI equivalent. Not even open source stuff, which I'd have thought would be the first people to take advantage of it!
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10/06/08 @ 11:46
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Trust me when i say ive tried every stutter "fix" out there, none have worked (1 of them just made the game look absolutely terrible, and it still stuttered). I was following it 2 months after release and nothing came around to sorting it. Not even Epic would say anything on the matter. Ive just given up, its just far too much to expect out of a customer.

@ skillian - Your right, and thats why it pisses me off so much. GoW on the PC would absolutely cripple the 360 version imo, more content, better graphics, better controls (imo), but the stutter kills it.
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BobsUncle
10/06/08 @ 12:09
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"We estimate that we have over 180 million active GeForce users. That's a much bigger installed base than PS3 or Xbox 360!"

Ok, so now subtract the number that are being used as work PC's, and then the number of normal home PC's with a standard midrange GFX card, and let's see what we have left. And from those leftovers lets see how many have SLI 8800's or 9800's.

I bet there are more people with launch day PS3's than those running high end SLI rigs!


People in my line of work are predicting the death of GFX cards in a few years anyway. When the CPU has enough cores, expect the GFX chip to move back to the northbridge (as it was before the voodoo cards) and just do basic screen drawing operations. All the processing will be done on the CPU with shared memory for lightning fast read/write access from all processes. AMD/ATI also hinted at this at Develop conference last year too.
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10/06/08 @ 12:14
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@BobsUncle:

A dedicated graphics chip will ALWAYS outperform a multipurpose CPU for graphics tasks. But the shared memory thing will probably be correct.

Plus, don't forget that if they started doing it that way, they will have just made nearly every PC in existence obsolete.
BobsUncle
10/06/08 @ 12:17
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When Intel or AMD change their pin layout they've also made just about every PC obsolete too.

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I'm talking about CPU's with hundreds or thousands or cores anyway, not just some 16 core job coming out next year. And if the CPU includes optimisations for certain GFX operations performance could be equal.

AMD predicted core speeds to stay around 3-4GHZ, but the number or cores to rise rapidly.
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thesombrerokid
10/06/08 @ 12:35
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each of the three graphics chip makers are pushing the market in different directions, i'd be careful about taking ones approach as the defacto future of graphics architecture
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10/06/08 @ 12:38
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Cannot afford PC gaming anymore, the days of buying a £1,500 rig are long gone, children do that to you. Consoles are the future for us poorer gamers.
BobsUncle
10/06/08 @ 12:44
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"the three graphics chip makers"

Three? Surely you're not including Matrox? :-)
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10/06/08 @ 12:48
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Obviously Nvidia won't support that theory, if it happens they'll be out of work. But AMD can simply subsume ATI's technology into their chips.

To be honest I don't care which way it goes, just interesting to think about.
thesombrerokid
10/06/08 @ 12:53
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@BobsUncle

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andromeda
10/06/08 @ 13:01
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yeah frankie HOwardlol
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10/06/08 @ 13:08
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"the numbering is meaningless" and has been since the GF4. Nividia will fix that when pigs learn to fly. It makes them more money not to fix it plus they started it, their fault and no reason to continue at all. So yes they can fix it - I doubt they will actually.

hmm multicore cpu is a parallel processor but not as massively parallel as a modern GPU but he's still doing the marketing speak, not much in it and a CPU processor unit is much more general so can actually do more than a GPU processor unit.

He also feebly ignores the question how far back are they counting geforce processors as to we are the biggest graphics manufacturer in the world situation as in some ways the older intel integrated graphics can cope better than the gf 2 or 3 now esp with Nvidia's buggy and rubbish driver support (can we get a driver that doesn't bork the 7950 GX2 please? oh no we can't as nvidia want you to buy a new card - nice).

That wasn't news and that bloke is worse than a politician for spouting crap and dodging the real questions.
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10/06/08 @ 13:27
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I don't buy into this whole "PC version of a game is better than the console" thing because it very much depends on whether you have a high-end machine or not.

In my experience, some PC games require a lot more than the equivalent console spec to get it running at the same performace level as the console version because the code isn't as highly optimised. How can it be when there are several trillion variations of PC hardware compared with the fixed systems consoles use? Of course, if I spent £2,000 on a PC I'd quite rightly expect the games to look and run better than on my Xbox 360 or PS3. In terms of performance per pound though, I'm not sure PCs quite deliver on the games front especially as you find yourself having to upgrade graphics cards, CPUs and/or HDDs several times over the same lifespan a console has. Yeah, PC games are cheaper which offsets the hardware costs somewhat but that doesn't quite make up for the extra hassle you get from trying to get those games to work properly or the fact that you still might not have the hardware to see the game running at its best, as is the case with Crysis. All those things put me off gaming on the PC and as such I can see why people think that market is dying. It certainly is for me.
BobsUncle
10/06/08 @ 13:39
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"And of course first the boasting about 180m nvidia users and then saying that a PC game selling above 1m is awesome."

I found that strange too. Look at our huge install base! (half a percent of which are being used for games). Brilliant.
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10/06/08 @ 13:42
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You don't even need to spend 700 quid though. You can get a Crysis capable machine for 500 quid.

I also wish people wouldn't make such extravagant claims as "pc games are all shit" - I mean, pc games are console games, 75% of the time! They are just different versions of it!

For all the people saying "I have a 360 so can't justify the extra expense of a gaming pc" there are people like me who say "I have a gaming pc so can't justify the expense of a 360".
BobsUncle
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"You don't even need to spend 700 quid though. You can get a Crysis capable machine for 500 quid."

You can now, but not when it came out.
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10/06/08 @ 13:46
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"the numbering is meaningless" and has been since the GF4.

It's not meaningless - the first number tells you what series the card is (7 series, 8 series etc.), and the second number tells you how powerful the card is within that series (7800 is better than a 7500, and a 7900 is better than both).

That system does make it hard to compare cards from different series, and the GT/GTX/GS thing is confusing too, but there is some method to the madness.
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@Bobs, nope you're right. 700 quid though, yes (my pc is a testament to that fact). Anyway, lets try and avoid this discussion all over again!


smoothpete
10/06/08 @ 13:55
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Titter ye not!
BobsUncle
10/06/08 @ 13:56
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Agreed! :-)
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10/06/08 @ 14:07
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@ Ahab: Lol @ 20000 pieces of rubble being a great ROI, this is about the most cliched PC-geek argument I've ever heard...I never thought anyone would actually say something this retarded.

May be taken at face value, but when you look at something like the environment & damage modelling in GRID, then think about what GRID2 will be able to do with next gen cards...

& btw, I have a now decidedly lowly X1900XT & it plays with high settgins at a higher res than a 360...
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Also: you don't need a multicore CPU for Crysis, as it's a single-threaded game. Dual/Quad core makes no difference to the game whatsoever.
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One of the truly great things about consoles is that you can play any of its games without worrying about whether it'll actually run properly or whether you'll have to lower the detail settings and resolution to get a playable framerate. That's a huge plus for the consoles and a negative as far as the PC is concerned as it makes buying new games a hit and miss affair if there's no demo to try. And if you do like a game but it runs like shit on your setup then it's a pain to have to consider buying an upgrade just for the sake of that game. For the average person, I'd say gaming on a PC is just too much hassle for them compared with consoles. It also explains why games like The Sims and World of Warcraft are hugely popular because they don't require the latest hardware to run them.
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10/06/08 @ 14:32
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Don't know about limey pricing but you can put together a decent gaming PC from scratch with monitor for under 1000 USD that will run circles around any console. It's true it takes a little effort to spec out, buy, and assemble the machine, but you certainly don't need a PhD. I hope this dispels any myth that consoles are for stupid, poor, lazy people, even though the kinds of games that tend to ship for them would also tend to support that.
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thesombrerokid
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i got a pc for £380 a month after crysis came out for £380 it could run it with everything on high at 1920x1200 at 30fps, granted i didn't buy a psu case keyboard and mouse or monitor with that but you don't get a monitor with a console and you can get the other components for under £50 between them PC's are not more expensive than consoles in anyway, they are a lot cheaper, a monitor is easy half the price of an equivelant pc too
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10/06/08 @ 14:37
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Assuming you have or are buying a PC, who realistically can afford to run a gaming PC in this day and age?

Electricity prices are expected to rise a further 40% this year alone.

Prediction:
Double SLi owners will be among the first demographic to face default on their mortgage payments.
Triple Sli owners will simply be burned at the stake by the eco crowd.

PC gaming is dead. There I said it.
Katsumoto
10/06/08 @ 14:40
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So dead that millions of pc games sell year in, year out.

You know, just because YOU don't like/can't afford something, doesn't mean everyone is the same :)
rhubarbandcustard
10/06/08 @ 14:43
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I earn over the average national wage and freely admit that I can't afford to game on the PC.

If I can't, that means the number of people who can must be pretty damn small.

So small that PC gaming is dead. There, I've said it again.
Katsumoto
10/06/08 @ 14:46
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But, but, but - Crysis, Bioshock etc. - all sold over a million! Is that not a lot anymore?

I earn 400 quid a month fannying around whilst being a student, but I still have a top pc. You know, they're only as expensive as buying a ps3 and a 360. The games cost half as much as well, so past the initial investment, its no more expensive and arguably cheaper to run a gaming pc.
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"Gave up PC gaming many years ago after I was done playing Diablo 2, have not missed PC gaming at all. Will buy a new PC when Diablo 3 comes out.

Only game on PC I care about, the rest are shit."

Yes that is obviously the case, they're all shit. Oh no, sorry that's YOUR OPINION not an actual fact.

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