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GT5 out on 30th November?

Official Sony site reckons so.

Gran Turismo 5 will launch on 30th November, if a new listing on a Sony website is to believed.

According to the platform holder's US online store, Sony Style, the oft-delayed sequel will be "available on or about 11/30/2010". The site is taking pre-orders.

Earlier this week an industry source told Eurogamer that there was little hope that the game would see release before Christmas.

But then yesterday creator Yamauchi chimed in saying "discs are being stamped as we speak".

Confusion reins. We've contacted Sony to see if the date is the real deal or not.