The new Xbox 360 controller
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Published 31 August, 2010 Duration 1:49
Xbox Live's Major Nelson shows off the new Xbox 360 controller.
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My brain is mapped to colours on the pad rather than shapes or letters so I really can't fathom the reasoning behind just dropping the colours altogether...
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For boring buttons and a twisty D-pad?
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Also, agreed on the buttons, it seems like they're using the new industry strategy of fixing one thing, while breaking another. Although I'm not convinced the d-pad IS fixed here.
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Getting rid of the colors on the buttons seems pretty arbitrary. Looks cool, but will drive the mrs. crazy, since she's never memorized the positions of the letters.
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/waits for the inevitable modern FPS color palette joke
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Agreed - it seems like MS believes you can fix a bad set of switches by raising them up a few millimeters. This is the same thing they did last time, essentially (except now you can move them back if you'd like.)
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Also, why couldn't Microsoft have included this redesigned controller with the redesigned Xbox 360 S to complete the whole package since it's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that this hasn't just been done in the last few weeks? What's that... oh, that's right, I forgot... they can make more money out of their customers doing it this way! Silly me!
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superb stuff with the dpad, but love how he glosses over everything else simply as "great improvements", and the fact they've made the four main buttons less intuitive (particularly for inexperienced console users).
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No shit Sherlock! that damn Dpad should have been sorted out years ago!!!!!
I got tired of waiting around and bought a street fighter one for about 15 pounds
so no thanks too little too late!..........oh and too expensive!
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Never had the need for play and charge always got AA batteries charging for all the other electrical junk I have.
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Bit of a bummer they only come with play and charge though I got two cables and 3 batteries already!
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In any case, I'm not sure anybody asked for a raised d-pad. I'd rather have one that actually responds when I press it.
Why can't we have something like that stick on the NeoGeo Pocket?
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Why the no-colour buttons now?
One step forward, two steps back...
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Anyway - I like my coloured buttons ta very much.
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I can see it now. Light grey, dark grey, light grey, semi-light grey...er...er...wai...FFFFFFFFFFFFUCK!!!
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I personally don't like the grey buttons..
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Every bloody game / online guide will need two set of instructions re the removal of the colour buttons. Effing stupid idea when the casual gamer complains about controllers having too many buttons. "Come on Gran, press the light grey button on the right to reload your weapon, no no, the light light grey button to the left of that grey button and below the slighter darker grey button just above it."
Far easier with red, green, blue and yellow.
For the rest of us on here I'm sure we'll cope
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I see they've made the buttons grey in an attempt to appeal to the style conscious gamer. Bad move since there are games that give coloured button prompts.
The new D-Pad is a nice touch, I hope its harder to hit the diagonals with the D-Pad raised since most games only require you to hit the 4 directions for item/weapon selection.
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Perhaps, it's a ploy - to make you SO annoyed with the controller when you have to keep checking which colour should be which button, that you "upgrade" to Kinect, and bypass the buttons altogether!
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Also the only thing that's really wrong with the current Dpad is the ability to hit your diagonals. I have seen youtube videos of people doing the most complex moves in Street Fighter 4 with no problems with the 360 pad. Raising up the pad probably will help a lot of people who have problems hitting their diagonals using the older pad.
As always, having a choice is better than none so for people wondering why they still allow you to have the pad the old way is obvious. Also you can see that this design is for style not for function. In other words this looks more like a limited addition controller instead of something that will be the default within a 360 box. Probably depending on the reception of the new controller, MS will probably bundle it with the 360 keeping the old color scheme but first get all of the need it now tech people to gobble it up first especially since the 360 is still selling pretty strong.
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Erm.. actually, no i wont.
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go back to making mice, you did them well.
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This pad wasn't built for you. Stick to the old one.
I think the pad looks cool, but for beat em ups I'll use an arcade stick so won't need it. Looks decent though. Will consider if I need a 3rd pad.
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I find it funny when he says they've heard the "community aren't too happy with the d-pad". Did the 'community' voice their complaints by throwing a message in a bottle into the sea and it's only just been recovered?
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jesus chris Microsoft, get with the fucking times and do what the PS3 does. have a normal wireless charger that doesn't stick and inch and a half out of the back of your fucking controller !
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Yes, I can see that, since when I use the D pad to change weapons or move a selection I am constantly going across as well as up/down, and vice versa. So it was fine for fighting before, this has made it good for games where D pad is about selection etc.
God, navigating the shop in Dead Space was a nightmare, this is right for that kind of issue.
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If I want a traditional coke I choose red. If I want a diet coke I choose silver. If I want coke zero I choose black. And such is life and all things within.
Life is colourful, not colourless.
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Ahem...
Go fuck yourself.
Thank you
Now can I have Syndicate 3 and NOT as a FPS.
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*applaudes sarcastically* Bravo MS, bravo...
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Let's hope they listen to all the complaints flowing in about the removal of the colour coded face buttons and change it back to the way it was - what a bizarre choice.
The d-pad on the 360 joypad was always horrendously bad - not just for fighting games, but for all games. It's so hard to hit diagonals. I welcome the change and I'm glad that MS are looking to improve and upgrade their hardware, though I wish they had done it all at once, instead of adding bits and bobs piecemeal. HDMI, bigger hard drives, quiter drives, built in wireless etc. They're siphoning money off bit by bit and I've decided not to buy into it anymore. They should have just built the 360 properly in the first place.
One thing's for certain - there's no way in hell I'd pay anywhere near €65 for one. Not a chance.
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The d-pad thing is because of Nintendo's copyright on the cross shaped D-pad so they've obviously had to think up some way they can use the cross shape without infringing their copyright.
Gl3n: no, because normal people don't get annoyed over others body language, especially when they're so completely harmless as Major Nelson.
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But what's the point in making the d-button sink into a regular controller when the analogue sticks are still raised?
Also, the best 8-way d-button was on the 6 button Megadrive pad. Very closely followed by the Japanese Saturn pad/NiGHTS controller ones, except they weren't quite so ergonomic if you had a long thumbnail.
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Oh, but taking away the colored buttons is madness!
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Doubt this will improve on it so ... meh
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I know my way around the controller, but in quite a few games when they give directions I could find it very difficult to tell which button they expect me to press were it not for the colours. Also for quick time events, as others have mentioned, it's easier to equate the colour to the button rather than ABXY in shades of black and grey.
I'm not sure about the D-pad, either. although I'm hopeful MS know what they're doing with that.
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It'll probably be more expensive here too.
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jesus chris Microsoft, get with the fucking times and do what the PS3 does. have a normal wireless charger that doesn't stick and inch and a half out of the back of your fucking controller !
and when your PS3 battery dies you simply swap it with anothe.....
oh wait, its built into the unit?
so I need a new controller?
no thanks pal, I like the controller, and I love my play and charge - dont understand all the "play'n'charge" hate round here?
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It is so stupid!
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I'll add to the grey button debate. Its a shit idea. Not that I play looking at my controller buttons all the time but with the odd QTE I need a quick glance at the pretty colours.
Oh and $64....really!? Will probably equate to the same in sterling and euros. Go stick it where the sun dont shine.
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Microsoft Drones- "But oh mighty one, we've increased the price of live, we over charge for our games and release crap that no one wants, how else can we bring in the money oh evil one?"
Microsoft Evil Brain Boss Man- "You shall create a controller, a controller that's neither use nor ornament, and we shall charge them 65 bucks for it! Now go!"
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The only problem is that a lot of games have the different buttons shown as different colours in their menus, which may seem a little odd if this controller becomes the default 360 controller.
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dit someone at MS stole lil'jon's grill or something
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I modified all 8 of my pads to fit a disc under the d-pad to prevent the rubber mat/gimble from slipping. It improves the response in a big way.
I can't see that raising the pad assists it only makes it a bigger stretch for your thumb. As for the look, it's pap, bland no colour.
while i still have 8 working pads i wont be buying another.
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If it doesn't and if it just means they are all one color, this is going to do wonders in damage to the intuitive feel of so many games that show buttons on screen by color to assist you. Granted, for most of us hardcore gamers who know the buttons by heart it may not affect us much, but I pity a newer gamer playing one of the hundreds of games that show the buttons by color IN-GAME.
Plus, I honestly think more of us hardcore gamers have probably learned to associate the button placement more by the colors than the letters, meaning it can even confuse many people when playing one of these games where the color is used as an indicator in game.
I really hope the keys glow in the respective colors, otherwise, I feel this was an absolutely idiotic thing to do.
And wtf - 65 dollars? Are they trying to redefine the term "overpriced"? They only sell it with the play and charge kit because to justify the cost, when that accessory is already overpriced. I will never buy one of those play and charge kits again... I took one apart to see how it worked inside and see how I could go about replacing the batteries (since they will be useless in under a year) and I discovered that they slap in 1300 mA batters - about the cheapest ones you can buy! Almost all the rechargeable batteries I buy are 2300-2600 and they keep getting higher today, so Microsoft is really screwing you on that P&C kit as well.
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I was going to say the only reasoning I can see behind the gray buttons is that it helps prioritise the buttons, but it doesn't even do that!
'A' and 'B' or 'A' and 'X' are the primary buttons for most games, yet they are now 'A' is white, 'B' is a kind of murky gray, 'X' is ....IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Prioritising 'A' and another button as different shades of gray leaving the other two buttons white would have made a little more sense, just.
The d-pad, oh the d-pad. The problem with the d-pad is that it's like a normal d-pad but the innards have been replaced by jelly. It seems spongy and like its trying to escape from its housing. Trying to press just up (and not up-left or up-right) is at times impossible. Just make it like the Dual Shock 4-point d-pad and have done with it Microsoft. Please.
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