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  • Paradox performs price rise U-turn following fan backlash

  • kangarootoo 23/06/2017

    @HornsDino

    Price Point is a very standard term in business, including the games business.

    His mistake may have been to use business terms in a public forum, but there is nothing sinister or weasley about it.

    It is no different to a builder referring an RSJ instead of a "steel girder". When dealing with such terms every single day, it a reasonable mistake for someone to occasionally use them with an audience who aren't familiar with them.
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  • I'm not sure what David Cage is trying to say with Detroit

  • kangarootoo 23/06/2017

    @TheChaosEngine

    Haha. I am now picturing Xmas morning, with you gripping a bunch of stapled together lined paper sheets in your tiny hands, with "Have a lovely adventure" written on the front in biro.
    Reply +2
  • kangarootoo 23/06/2017

    @TheChaosEngine

    "but Create Your Own Adventure books have been around for some time"

    Choose Your Own Adventure. CHOOSE! Stop messing with my childhood! ;)
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  • kangarootoo 22/06/2017

    @LowlyKnight

    "what do you see the point of this article to be?"

    A discussion of the potential shortcomings of Detroit, based on previous works by the same creator.


    "Also you quoted me as saying "you're opinion sucks" nope never said that."

    I didn't quote you, that was clearly paraphrasing. If that wasn't clear enough, I apologise.

    What you actually said was "How can you possibly compare Star Wars prequels to the brilliant Westworld and think that earns your opinions on anything credibility?"

    1. the author didn't do that.
    2. you inserted the idea that the author would think their opinion "should earn credibility", the author did not.

    It was clumsy piece of ad hominem, and you can be better than that. In a subjective discussion of quality, it is all about the case made. Whether any of think the author made their case effectively is up for discussion, but you made no case beyond essentially saying "your opinion sucks".



    "The author has not played the game yet either, just a very short vertical slice"

    Which as I've commented elsewhere, is the exact purpose of a vertical slice.


    "So what is the point of this kind of article?"

    To review the vertical slice, that was supplied to him for the express purpose of being reviewed. As it is only a preview, speculation is fully allowed.


    "It seems like negativity for negativity clicks sake"

    That is one way of seeing it. Another is that you are unaware of your own bias in this instance, that you are excited about the game (which is great), and that you see any negativity as needless because it doesn't serve your need to be excited about the game.

    There is nothing wrong with critique. If everyone felt like you and all they saw in critique is someone "being negative", games would not get better. Frank critique is crucial, and also interesting to talk about, so long as you can let go of the emotional shackles that result in you only wanting to hear good news about a game you are looking forward to.


    Anyway, I don't want to keep bashing away at you. I think I've made my point. A vertical slice was supplied, so that journos could play it and review it, and that is what happened here. Perhaps one way you could see it is that some of the negative points raised here and elsewhere, can feed back into the later stages of development, maybe the game you are looking forward to can become even better. Nothing is perfect, there is always room for improvement, and maybe if every journo just said "Amazing, no other comments to make" something that could have benefited from fresh eyes loses that opportunity.
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @lacerz

    Snappy a phrase as that is, it isn't true about any of the things you mentioned :)

    Good opinions are why we have space travel and video games :D
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @LowlyKnight

    "there wasn't well explained detail"

    My point is that questioning credibility by just saying "If you do XYZ you have no credibility" is guilty of the same. As the accuser, the burden of proof lies with you. So explain with detail why you disagree with the opinion, instead of just saying "Your opinions suck".

    OK, before I continue I'm going to apologise, because I went all guns in and it isn't personal. I just feel that there is a discussion to be had here about writing in games, and when someone just starts laying out all of the usual internet argument fallacies (like "Why do you not like things?" or "Well if you like XYZ your opinion ins invalid") it presses my buttons.

    How about we instead try and engage in the interesting discussion that is available, instead of distracting with name calling just because someone disagrees with you. IT IS OK TO DISAGREE, it can even be fun and interesting, so long as do it like intelligent adults :)


    "I guarantee you this same author would be the first to completely trash Detroit if it didn't take the precise risks the author is thinking of while writing this article"

    Such is the life of a creative, coming from one who knows. It doesn't matter in the end though. DC will still make his game. As I said to another poster, there is no such thing as perfection, so being damned either way is just the way creative life works. Perhaps the problem is not that the reviewer would always find something to critique, but that you see any negatives as inherently bad. How about just seeing the criticisms as fair comment, and if you disagree, present a well thought out counter case.
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @LowlyKnight

    "why don't you like anything?"

    Seriously, grow up.

    And what earns opinions credibility is well explained detail, not unexplained consensus.
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @Fourfoldroot

    A fair point, but a different one.

    As is often my pedantic way, just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I am defending all the things they choose to disagree with :)
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @kraenk12

    So the Prey demo was perhaps a mistake, a badly chosen demo. If we start suggesting that we shouldn't judge a game on a vertical slice, because occasionally vertical slices aren't representative, we have to kind of abandon the whole concept of a vertical slice (some would say that is a good thing, even myself at times).

    I was addressing the idea that a vertical slice shouldn't be judged as representative. Either the vertical slice shouldn't exist, or it should be judged, because being judged is why it exists (if it does).
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @Indication

    "I wonder if the author actually likes anything. Didn't like any previous David Cage games, didn't like Westworld etc."

    This here is an exercise in bias and logical fallacy.

    A review is not to like something, it is to critique it. A good critic will always find fault, because nothing is perfect. A review that says "everything was brilliant, nothing wrong with it at all" is not the best of reviews.

    And also, you seem to be suggesting that a balance of probability must lead a reviewer to like some things and not like others, but that is also a distortion of the truth. If a reviewer reviews 100 things, and finds all of them lacking, well those are the apples. They shouldn't adjust certain appraisals just to create an even distribution.

    The question comes down to what you think a review is for, and what a reviewers job is all about.
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @tennocyte

    I'm going to politely disagree with pretty much everything you said.

    Whatever you want from your games, reasonable as that is, this is a game that is primarily story driven.

    Any story, be it in a game, film, TV series, radio play, novel, whatever, if it is a good story it will SAY something.

    Having something to say, known in writing as the "premise", is fundamental to a well written story.

    Now you might not want your games in general to say something, and that is fine, but you can't come to a story driven game discussion and lay down the same demands without recognising your own bias.

    The truth I'm afraid, is that this simply isn't the game for you. If you don't want your games in general to say anything, fine. That means you don't want well written story games, and that is also fine. That is completely different however, from complaining that a critical review of a story driven game shouldn't focus on how effectively the story is written, how effectively is conveys its premise, how effectively it "says something".
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @kraenk12

    "All those people trying to judge a game by a vertical slice"

    But that is literally the sole reason a vertical slice exists as a thing in game development. Literally its entire purpose for being.


    It is all well and good, and quite realistic, to assume that certain things will improve as the game reaches master, but the entire purpose of a vertical slice is to give a smaller, but vertically complete, slice of gameplay that is representative of the full game.


    "they always try to see what games want to be instead of what they aren't."

    But the purpose of a review is not to tell you what a game wants to be, it is to tell you what it IS. I don't want a review to wax lyrical about grand ambition, I want it to tell me what the game is that I will play if I spend the money to buy it.
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    @masteratt

    "Why is David Cage always covered so negatively"

    Because he isn't that great a writer? Not least not as great as he at times seems to belief himself to be.

    There isn't always a conspiracy you know.
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  • Detroit: Become Human tweet swiftly removed after poking fun at Xbox

  • kangarootoo 23/06/2017

    The universal truth remains, if you're going to make a childish joke at the expense of another, it has to be funny. Otherwise, it is just left being childish. Reply +9
  • Sega releases classic games on mobile, for free, but at what cost?

  • kangarootoo 22/06/2017

    Poor performance, and treating a small developer like shit. Think I'll pass. Reply 0
  • Assassin's Creed Origins hunting, underwater, night gameplay demoed in hour of footage

  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    Just got to the bit about not being able to stealth kill enemies that are a higher level than you. THAT, sounds bloody awful. Really hoping it pans out to be OK somehow, but I'm really not sure how. It would be one thing is certain key characters were resistant to certain moves (ala Shadows of Mordor), but every guard in a high level place? No thanks :( Reply 0
  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    Now he mentions, and laments in his case, the absence of side objectives.

    Hallelujah I say!

    One of the most annoying things about many of the previous AC games, was completing a mission in my own uniquely stealth-marsupial style, to then be told I sucked and had only got 70% sync, because I hadn't noisily dropped clay pots on the heads of 3 guards somewhere along the way. Tell me what to do, don't tell me how to do it.

    Thank you Ubisoft for seeing sense here.
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  • kangarootoo 21/06/2017

    I'm afraid to say, that this ad lib style of gameplay commentary is a real bug bear of mine. Write a bloody script ffs! I don't want to hear umm and ahhh and repetition all over a video. How many times do I need to be told that this AC game isn't like previous ones?

    If your job is talking about a thing, and you aren't literally commentating on a thing as it happens, prepare the words that you will be saying. It surely isn't too much to ask.

    Also, stop shooting the lion you prick!

    P.s. I know this isn't an EG produced video, your own standards are much much better, but if it is on your website there is the risk that it reflect on you. Perhaps instead of a passing note about other videos turning up, you might instead say "WARNING! LOWER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS LIE AHEAD!", just to cover your backs ;)



    OK, now I've vented my grumpy old man ports... the gameplay looks really interesting and I am "stoked" for this (as I believe the internet would say).

    Edit: JESUS CHRIST! 4 mins in and he is STILL going on about how it is different to AC games you've played in the past! Message received. Move on.

    Sorry.
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  • Assassin's Creed Origins makes the series' past stumbles feel like ancient history

  • kangarootoo 16/06/2017

    EG, I also heard that the terrible gutter level ads you were previously carrying were gone, and so I have also disabled my ad blocker. Most of the ads I'm looking at now are even about games, which is a big step up from anti-ageing products and "these celebrities look ugly as f*ck these days". Credit where it is due.

    I'm still not clicking on any of the ads that remain, but at least now I don't have to see those old ones sitting there, making your website look like a crack den.
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  • Is Anthem's E3 reveal the real deal on Xbox One X?

  • kangarootoo 15/06/2017

    @MizarMizar

    You didn't watch the video, did you.
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  • Beyond Good & Evil 2 lets you create your own character

  • kangarootoo 15/06/2017

    @Lo-bi-nho

    "We've been waiting for this game for so long that"

    As potentially exciting as many of the described features are, very little of it felt like BGAE to me.

    So the reason I'm quoting you in particular :), is that I'm not sure any of us have been waiting for "this" game, I feel we've been waiting for a BGAE sequel, and I am strongly reserving judgement on whether this is it in more than name.

    Even being able to create your own character means that as a consequence, BGAE 2 loses a strongly developed female proganist for many players, and for me the character of Jade was the Sun right at the centre of BGAE's galaxy. To take Fallout 4 as a comparison, my character was pretty characterless, just an extension of me. It is like playing Tomb Raider as yourself instead of Lara Croft.

    It could of course just turn out to be a very very good game, in which case perhaps it doesn't matter what it is called...
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  • Beyond Good & Evil 2 finally resurfaces, gets a full CGI trailer

  • kangarootoo 13/06/2017

    @roughsleeper

    "Mr Ancel also stated 'It's like GTA but in space, in three dimensions.'

    Why would ANY fan of BG&E find any solace in that statement."

    QFT
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  • kangarootoo 13/06/2017

    Lots of good stuff, and lots to get excited about, not least because it appears to actually be happening....

    ....but I'm going to say it. That script was bloody awful.

    Now many scripts in games and in films aren't very good, but the script in BGAE1 wasn't one them. The bar has already been set by the original, with a great screenplay, great characters, and great acting all over the place. If a sequel is to really feel like BGAE, it has to get much much closer to that bar than this trailer.
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  • Watch: The Friday the 13th game you never knew existed

  • kangarootoo 09/06/2017

    "...unless you're old like me."

    Check.
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  • GAME's stock system lists Far Cry 5 as "Father Trump"

  • kangarootoo 08/06/2017

    @HE1NZ

    Wanting illegals out of the country is not the same thing as saying Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers. Why bring up wanting illegals out of the country, if not as an attempt to change the subject?

    Nobody said his private conversation was illegal, they said it was sexist. Why did you bring legality up, if not as an attempt to change the subject?

    Not all men talk about women the way Trump did, because not all men are sexist. Why start talking about what all men say, instead of what Trump said, if not as an attempt to change the subject?

    Look, I'm going to say it straight to save everyone some time. You are really, really bad at this. Your argument skills are genuinely appalling, and if you think you are in any way convincing anyone or winning anything with your transparent switching, you are deluded.

    "Got anything else" - nobody needs anything else, because you have utterley failed to respond effectively to the original accusations.

    Now this is the bit where you call me names to show your intelligence, followed by a show of unshakable self belief despite bringing nothing more effective to the table, whilst everyone else rolls their eyes at you.
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  • Looks like Sony is launching a gold PlayStation 4

  • kangarootoo 01/06/2017

    Horrible.

    That is all.
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  • Square Enix willing to give up Hitman rights to ensure series future

  • kangarootoo 31/05/2017

    @Oli

    My two pence on the ad blocking situation (obviously it is more like 320 pence, as I always have a lot to say).


    1. First off, good on you for responding in this thread. It isn't the official place, but it is clearly where the conversation is, so kudos for that.


    2. I know how tough it is to make money from actual content these days, and how ads (like FTP, though that is a different discussion) are a consequence of everyone becoming used to getting things for free. I'm sure many of your readers also recognise that, and recognise that without ads we wouldn't get to have nice things.


    3. Just switching on this new functionality, with no warning, and in direct contradiction to your published terms... it is honestly a surprise to me that a mistake like that was able to happen. But enough said on that.


    4. As far as recognising the value of your work by allowing ads, this brings me to what is for myself the thorn in the side of all of this, and I'm going to speak plainly. Some of the ads, that turn up via what I'm sure are the most popular and profitable channels, are a piece of sh*t. Clickbait of the worst kind, outright lies designed to drive people to even worse ads, that lower the effective intelligence of anyone unfortunate enough to follow them through. Honestly, to see those kind of ads on your website lowers the value of your work as a consequence of the association. I don't use an ad blocker on my tablet, so I still see what is down there, and it was a genuine surprise and a disappointment when I saw the new types of ads you were using.


    I absolutely want you to stay in business, but I absolutely don't want to give a single penny to the ad services that peddle that kind of bullshit. If consistently filling the bottom edge of my browser with lies and fraud is really the only way that EG can stay afloat, well that would be a sad day, as I know what my choice would be.


    I started using an adblocker back when you started using Flash ads that would pop out when rolled over. A few too many clicks that ended up taking me to another website, because content had expanded halfway across the screen under my moving mouse, and I was done. And of course the crying shame is that once an ad blocker gets turned on, people rarely check back for updates. You stopped doing those super intrusive ads ages ago, but I've been using an ad blocker ever since out of habit. Trust is a fragile thing.


    Anyway, I've waffled on for too long. I would also be interested in subscribing if the price is right, though part of me would still be unhappy knowing that EG were still showing the sort of ads that I despise to their non-paying readers.
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  • Far Cry 5 debut trailer teases new setting

  • kangarootoo 25/05/2017

    @Pablo2k5

    Just consider them to be an extremist cult, who self identify as christians.

    To assume that them being christians is the dev saying that all christians are bad, is just as non-sensical as someone imagining that all muslims are bad just because extremists exist who self identify as such.

    That all christians are being bashed, is your own assumption.
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  • kangarootoo 22/05/2017

    Looks like it might have a bit of a Red State vibe about it... Reply 0
  • Battlefield 1 announces first female multiplayer soldier

  • kangarootoo 23/05/2017

    @JakePulford

    Hey, I'm not saying it is ideal as an approach. I just think that (to use a cliche), big ships turns slowly. One day a company does something begrudgingly for profits, and the next day they something because doing it for the right reasons has just become part of the landscape.

    You're quite right that an approach of "Hey, look how forward thinking we are because we let a girl hold a gun" raises an eye brow. However, if previously they didn't have female protagonists because apparently their audience are scared of girls (paraphrasing their words, not mine), the inclusion of a female protagonist on any terms is a small defiance of their original motive, and that I think is a good thing.
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  • kangarootoo 23/05/2017

    @Haar

    "they do not get a brain implant... so they are the same person"

    The point is that whilst being "the same person" they may have never felt like they identified with their physical gender.

    But why does it matter either way?

    There is zero reason for you to think "it is freaky", other than it being something so different from your usual references that it makes you uncomfortable. Now everyone fears change to some degree, so if you genuinely recognise the source of your view, you can work with that and be better. If you normalise your view as "it IS freaky, empirically so", then you are turning your discomfort into bigotry. To be clear, I'm not calling you a bigot. I am just saying you have a choice, EVEN IF you are uncomfortable with something.
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  • kangarootoo 23/05/2017

    @JakePulford

    There are many things in this world that are pushed by large companies for hollow reasons, but being pushed for hollow reasons is better than nothing.

    I don't always want a large company to have a change of heart, but I do want them to do the right thing. E.g. if a perfume company stops testing on animals to increase profits, everybody wins surely.

    So... not completely hollow, in the end.
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  • Red Dead Redemption 2 delayed until spring 2018

  • kangarootoo 23/05/2017

    Fine with me. I'm not so old that I can't wait for 6 months. RDR has always been more my bag than GTA, much as I like both, and I'm happy to wait for the best outcome. Reply 0
  • Vive launching a new VR headset that doesn't need a PC or phone

  • kangarootoo 19/05/2017

    Also EG, you missed out what is by far the most significant piece of information about this device.

    From the website you linked.

    "Daydream. Now with WorldSense™*.
    Precise movement tracking. Lean, dodge and duck as you wish.
    * WorldSense is a trademark of Google Inc."

    In other words, positional tracking. No mobile headset currently has this, and its addition is a major bonus (arguably, basic requirement) for any VR platform.
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  • kangarootoo 19/05/2017

    There seems to be a limited view of what "will use Google's Daydream platform" could mean here. There is still plenty of room for speculation, however.....

    Daydream is a development platform, so a game dev makes a game for Daydream, and that games work on every phone that meets the standard. This strongly implies that a game made for Daydream can't use the extra grunt of a more powerful headset, or it wouldn't work on all other Daydream phones. So I totally get where the concern is coming from in that area.

    However, Daydream is also a store front, it is also a type of controller, it is a few things above and beyond just the power of the phone. It is possible (unlikely I admit, but possible) that there could be another tier for this headset, just like there are tiers across the Apple store ("needs iPad 4 or later", etc). So a game made specifically for this device may not perform on less powerful devices, but all Daydream games could run on this device? This does rather undermine one of the main advantages Daydream provides for developers, but that doesn't mean it isn't a possibility.

    I am speculating of course, because there is bugger all info. I just wanted to point out that "using the Daydream platform" doesn't have to mean the games will be like GearVR games (which as it happens, is already not true, as the Daydream spec is better than then GearVR spec).
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  • GAME launches unattractive new £36 loyalty card scheme

  • kangarootoo 19/05/2017

    @Ajent

    I didn't factor in the standard card, which does indeed reduce the value of this premium card.

    Not that this changes my view that everyone should just do some basic comparisons and make some financial choices based on their own habits, rather than EG being all Daily Mail about it.
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  • kangarootoo 19/05/2017

    @Skyclad

    "A prime example why a monopoly is a terrible thing."

    Which monopoly would that be? The one where I have bought games digitally, from Amazon, from Tesco, from eBay, etc, and haven't stepped foot inside Game for over a year?
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  • kangarootoo 19/05/2017

    I think your take on this is skewing needlessly towards negative, EG. Especially as the subject of discussion is not remotely a new idea.

    Gamers, look at your buying habits, do some basic maths, decide whether this card will save you money or not. Simple.

    It is no different to Ocado Smartpass, or Amazon Prime.


    I know everyone hates Game, and will ignore the basic logic of this, but I feel compelled to try anyway as part of my lifelong mission to get people to think about things more :)


    "In rough terms, you would need to buy 10 full price (£40) games within a 12 month span, all from GAME, to get another game free - and you're still paying for the privilege."

    How about instead of using a lot of words to say very little, you instead say "If you buy ten games a year, you'll save four quid, which doesn't seem like much of a bargain." You're not the Sun newspaper.

    Edit: Now I think on it, brand new console games don't cost £40. They typically cost £55. This means you start saving money after buying 7 games. 10 is a nice round number though, so I see where you're coming from ;)
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  • Injustice 2 review

  • kangarootoo 16/05/2017

    I'm sure some of you have seen this before, but it seems relevant to some of the discussion (and is worth a watch if you've never seen it).

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  • kangarootoo 16/05/2017

    @Pasco

    That is actually a really interesting video. Once he moved past complaining about aesthetics of idle poses, and got onto the stuff about moving the centre of mass, it became a really good reference.
    Reply +1
  • kangarootoo 16/05/2017

    @Pasco

    I just got the bit where he said "Beyond: Two Souls" was better than "Heavy Rain".

    This man is clearly insane ;)
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  • Watch: How Strafe failed to capture the 90s

  • kangarootoo 15/05/2017

    @porkface

    Perhaps an update on the article, to say the game been updated a lot since release, would be the fair thing to do?

    I personally don't mind your video too much, but to completely ignore the effort the devs have put in since release could come across as mean spirited... which I'm sure you're not. This is one of those "do the right thing" moments :)
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  • kangarootoo 15/05/2017

    @regret

    Posting patch notes is hardly the work of a shill, plus GR has been on these pages for ages.
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  • kangarootoo 15/05/2017

    @George-Roper

    Well this is unusual. I find myself agreeing with you on something. This can't be the first time, but I can't remember the last ;)
    Reply +3
  • Is Kickstarter for video games dead?

  • kangarootoo 15/05/2017

    Familiarity breeds contempt.... but also, there were no small number of projects that did harm to Kickstarter. As soon as some people saw it as free money, trading on enthusiasm rather than feasibility, potential backers saw the drop in quality. Not across the board of course, but it only takes a few bad apples as the saying goes. Reply +43
  • In Theory: Could Sony release PlayStation 5 in 2018?

  • kangarootoo 13/05/2017

    @adambooth

    You get shouted down because your prediction it is almost certainly not true, and you offer nothing to prove otherwise. And you actually seem surprised that if you just say a thing, but offer no supporting evidence, that people won't take your seriously. Ego much?

    You say "time will tell" as if it adds weight to your argument, when of course it does nothing of the sort. It simply shows that you are confident, but that confidence could be entirely misplaced (and in this case, it is).

    Rather than saying "time will tell", why don't you back up your statement with some kind of convincing argument that supports your prediction? Until you do that, you cannot really be surprised that people dismiss you out of hand.
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  • Russian YouTuber slapped with three-and-a-half year suspended sentence for playing Pokémon Go in a church

  • kangarootoo 12/05/2017

    @Foxtrot-Oscar
    Sounds like we actually agree.
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  • kangarootoo 12/05/2017

    @Foxtrot-Oscar

    I tend to think that of all the people that can blame religion for things, for we atheists to do it makes the least sense. As if religion is a creation of people, surely we just blame the people rather than their construct. Blaming religion for the world's ills is like blaming the tooth fairy for capitalism.

    If religion didn't exist, people would just find another way to try and dictate rules for life, just as plenty of atheists in fact already do across the world. And if religion itself disappeared overnight, people may just recreate it given enough time as people have done the world over countless times, or they may not and just find another flag to fly to try and give authority to their prefereces. Some of the biggest atrocities the world has seen were not done in the name of a God, and yet they still "got done".

    It might not make sense, and it might be used to justify certain acts, but you can't really blame it for anything as it is just one of the very many banners under which people enforce their world view. If not religion, then something else, because the common denominator (as surely we atheists "believe") is always people.
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  • kangarootoo 12/05/2017

    @Foxtrot-Oscar

    A fair point. The response does seem like an overreaction, and you're right that if it wasn't a church the reaction probably wouldn't have been as severe.

    I am clearly subject to my own internal bias, which is "Some of the people playing Pokemon Go in places they shouldn't are selfish pricks".

    Point taken though, it being a church is relevant in terms of the actual outcome.
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  • kangarootoo 12/05/2017

    @Foxtrot-Oscar

    I'm all for the odd atheist rant, I've gone on more than one myself in the past, but this story is not really about religion. It happens that the building was a church, but it could have been one of many other publicly accessible but privately owned buildings, and the result could have been the same.
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