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  • Microsoft to end free Xbox Music streaming

  • kangarootoo 23/10/2014

    @melnificent

    "Surprised they didn't fold it into the xbox gold subscription and increase the price of that by a couple of pounds"

    Probably because the majority of gold subscribers aren't interested in the service, and would resent having to pay for it.
    Reply +1
  • Xbox One screenshot feature won't be out until 2015

  • kangarootoo 23/10/2014

    "The team has a path to getting it done, and now it's just prioritising."

    I'm not sure that is a sentence.
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  • The Very Organised Thief is a first-person burglary sim

  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    @csber3

    Nope, he is a poor choice. Objectively and scientifically ;)

    But seriously, including 3rd party content that a significant portion of your readership don't like, is a poor choice.

    If I was the only person that didn't like his work I'd accept it, but I'm clearly not. And those that like his work can find it elsewhere, and everyone will be happy.
    Reply 0
  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    @csber3

    If the point you are trying to make is that lots of people think he is great...

    1. I am not remotely surprised.

    2. I definitely don't give a sh*t.

    What I am saying to EG is that as a source of information about a game, he is a poor choice. I found him deeply annoying, and my positive post count seems to suggest others agree with me.

    If you and millions of others like him, that is excellent. I am glad he fills your life with fun. I just found him a poor source of information about a game that EG were writing about.
    Reply +1
  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    @csber3

    And I'm sure that his youtube channel has plenty of content for you to enjoy :)
    Reply 0
  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    "by YouTube personality Markiplier"

    Sorry EG, but this guy is unwatchable. I don't know what dictionary you are consulting for the word "personality", but I just witnessed volume.

    I had never heard of him until you posted a link of him playing something else the other week. Thankfully there were two videos in that article, so I could watch the other one to find out about the game. This time I got as far as him getting excessively excited about mispronouncing a single syllable word.

    Please don't link to him again. I'm serious. And I can't be the only one that feels this way (lets see what my comment score says about that).
    Reply +22
  • Spec Analysis: Alienware Alpha

  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    @FMV-GAMER

    Same question as I posed to PixelEdged. What are the options? A few links would be appreciated.
    Reply +1
  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    I'm tempted by this, after having been away from PC gaming for what must be nearly 10 years now. I have a PS4 at the moment, but haven't gone for an XBO (I also have a PS3 and an XB360). I'd be interested in this for the occasional PC exclusive, as well as to get back into games that really benefit from the modding scene (non-native 3D, RPGs like ES that always get loads of interesting community mods). I used to build my own PCs, and would be capable of doing so again, but as I get older the appeal of small machines that make less noise starts to grow :)

    @PixelEdged Advise. Why should this be avoided? What are the better alternatives?
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  • PSN ad uses the font from Xbox One-exclusive Sunset Overdrive

  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    /downloads font Reply +3
  • Dev behind Paranautical Activity Steam storm resigns, apologises

  • kangarootoo 22/10/2014

    I think it is admirable that he has recognised the impact of his actions, and the damage it has done to the efforts of those that work with him. Hopefully everything can get back on track for Paranautical Activity, and he can find a situation that makes him happier. Staying away from Twitter completely might be a good start. Reply +46
  • Valve pulls game from Steam following dev's tweet threatening Gabe Newell

  • kangarootoo 21/10/2014

    @Fatum

    That is pretty admirable, and at least shows he has a high degree of self awareness. I really hope he finds a way to get his temper under control, and stays away from Twitter. I think he will be happier for it. It is a shame to see him refer to "some shitty coporation" though, I guess the journey to managing that anger is just beginning.
    Reply +2
  • kangarootoo 21/10/2014

    @cloudskipa

    You'll see in my first post I said that I thought he had anger problems, and I wished him well, but none of that is Valve's responsibility. He himself admitted that he got too angry sometimes, and as someone else in this thread suggested, he should take some responsibility for that and work to address it (if for nothing more than his own happiness). And maybe he is, and maybe he doesn't think Valve owe him anything anymore, and he has moved on.


    Doesn't matter whether it was said in jest. Just like it doesn't matter that a threat made against a person is later determined to "not be credible". If you walk into a bank with a pretend gun, and it later turns out to be fake, you will still be charged with attempting armed robbery. Furthermore, even if the threat was not perceived to be real, you would STILL not want to do business with someone that says that to their business partners when they are angry. If nothing else it shows poor judgement.


    I totally agree with your final statement. Nobody is perfect, shit does happen, I again wish him well and hope he can still recover the situation and make some money from games dev. None of which changes the fact that Valve do not owe him charity, and they were definitely justified in their reaction.
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  • kangarootoo 21/10/2014

    @Po1ymorph

    "but when angry and frustrated we are all capable of equal stupidity"

    Ummmmm, no.

    This isn't really an issue of stupidity, it is one of maturity. I consider myself to be mature, which not only means there are limits to how frustrated I become (red faced stamping fits are sevela decades behind me), but also that when I do become angry I deal with it in a mature way that makes things better and limits the likelihood that I do something silly.


    The big mistake in this thread is when people wheel out "everyone would react this way in his situations". No, they really wouldn't.
    Reply +4
  • kangarootoo 21/10/2014

    @TekMerc

    Valve aren't monopolising PC game distribution, they are just very good at it.

    You try telling an iOS developer that Valve have a distribution monopoly.

    And Valve having a successful business is not corruption, and it is not collusion.
    Reply +4
  • kangarootoo 21/10/2014

    @cloudskipa

    Valve aren't a charity. Why warn, why suspend? Someone working with them acted in a completely unreasonable way. So they don't work with him again, simple as that.

    Be in no doubt, if he were an employee, his actions would easily constitute gross misconduct and dismissal would definitely follow. Why should this situation with Valve be any different? Because it is games?
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  • kangarootoo 21/10/2014

    Valve made the correct decision.

    Problems happen, mature adults deal with them maturely. This dude clearly has anger issues, and I wish him well, but Valve did the right thing. They can choose exactly who they do business with, and who on earth would want to do business with someone who reacts that way to a setback.
    Reply +3
  • The pre-patch Evil Within we hope you'll never play

  • kangarootoo 21/10/2014

    @FromTheHalfWayLine

    Sorry, are you saying that games magazines should NOT review the version of the game sold in shops on release day? That they should hold off until a few patches have been released, even though that does not represent the game players will be experiencing on day 1?

    Is that what you meant?
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  • République: Episode 3 is due this week

  • kangarootoo 20/10/2014

    Good news, this is excellent. Reply 0
  • UK gov changing law to get tough on internet trolling

  • kangarootoo 20/10/2014

    @Farzlepot

    Having a law that is more equipped to deal with behaviour that we have deemed to be illegal is one thing. Whether that law is enacted with an iron fist is something else.

    We do have laws in place for dealing with harassment, but clearly they are not as effective as they need to be. SO that there is something that needs fixing.

    In the examples discussed, we aren't talking about kids trash talking their mates, we are talking about somebody sending rape threats to a woman because the sender objects to something the woman's mother said. That the person almost certainly wouldn't carry out the threat makes it less serious an offence than the actual act, but it does not make it trivial.

    If the person in question was taken to court and told in clear terms "a repeat offence and you will go to prison", one would hope it would scare some sense into them.


    "I don't see how this is going to improve their behaviour even slightly"

    I'm not sure you really believe that. I'm not saying it would be a silver bullet, but "even slightly"? At the risk of patronising you, I think you're getting carried away with hyperbole there. I bet a fair number of those, feeling safe behind anonymity, would be scared shitless if they were caught and threatened with legal action.
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  • kangarootoo 20/10/2014

    I have to say, the standard of wit is really going downhill round here. If I have to read another joke about someone going to prison because they dissed the XBO/PS4, I'LL KILL ALL OF YOU!


    But seriously, anyone who genuinely thinks new laws in this area will stop people trash talking is misguided. As others have said already, these laws will be to address behaviour that if it was conducted in person, or by telephone, or by letter, would result in police involvement and arrest as a matter of course. If you threaten someone's life, or their safety, the law should punish you and hold you up as a deterrent.

    It already does that in many ways, it is failing to do so online currently. If these new plans work (they may not do at all), that imbalance will move some way to being addressed.
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  • kangarootoo 20/10/2014

    @Farzlepot

    "Educate, don't legislate.
    Tackle the cause, not the symptoms."

    These are sound notions, and I can agree with them if only the word "don't" is replaced with "as well as".


    Educating people about online behaviour is a great idea. So is having a legal system that protects people from abuse.

    If you were fighting a dangerous disease, an approach of "Tackle the cause, not the symptoms" would leave a lot of people dead.
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  • We cannot let this become gaming culture

  • kangarootoo 20/10/2014

    @dushanstojchev

    From a post below, which very well sums up why I think that if you genuinely have something to say about ethics, you should simply stop using gamergate as a platform. If ethics matter to you, more than two words and a hastag matter to you, this is why you should stop considering yourself a supported of gamergate.


    "If your movement requires journalists to carefully parse 8chan chains to understand it, it gets an F- in the PR department"


    What matters most to you?
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  • kangarootoo 20/10/2014

    @dushanstojchev

    "Because we didn't poison our own well"

    So what? I know that sounds dickish, but what does it matter who did it. It is a bloody pair of words glued together ffs, it isn't your first born child.

    I'm not saying it is your fault, I'm saying it has happened. So some of the people that use the gamergate tag are nut jobs, and some of the people who use the gamergate tag or not. Aggregate of that is, it is no longer fit as a platform for talk of ethics. It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is.


    "Says... who?"

    Every single mainstream press outlet that has commented on it.


    "she's enacting several patriarchal representations of women, those being: the "victim role", the "damsel in distress", and the "poor women" attitude"

    By being threatened with death and rape? Man, seriously, how can I possibly try and extract the idea that all you are about is ethics in journalism (and I'm trying), when you say something like that. She IS a victim, she IS in distress, because people threatened her life and her safety. It is really that simple. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether her videos are clumsy in some of the points they try to make (they are), that doesn't make a victim of a single gamer out there, not a single one. She is the victim here because someone threatened to rape and kill her, and they put her address online and invited others to do the same. Clumsy video... rape threat... the two do not compare. She isn't playing a victim, she is one. I can't really say it any more clearly by saying it more times.


    "What I said is that the authorities concluded the threat wasn't credible"

    Ok then. What was your point? Lets not have the implication just hang there in air, with you responding with "note that I never stated". So she was threatened, the police investigated, they found the threat to be not credible. When you raised this, seemingly as a criticism of Sarkeesian, what point were you making? If the implication that Sarkeesian was somehow at fault isn't true, what was the point you were making. I'm slow, and I need a clearer explanation.


    Again, thanks for engaging. I may not respond again, as EG's incredibly bobbins comment tracking system makes it really hard to refer to past conversation, and I'm frankly getting tired of it. I ask only that you read your own posts back a bit more, not the links, but some of the stand points. See whether you really agree with yourself on everything :)
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @Bill_P

    I'm not black or gay or old (yet), but that doesn't mean I should have no interest in supporting equality for black, or gay, or old people. Do I really have to be a woman, and have a "personal stake" in feminism to think it is important for women to be treated fairly, for them to simply be treated well?

    I'm not sure cause you think I am "white knighting, as you put it. My personal agenda is extremely simple, and could be boiled down to "don't be an ass to people" :)

    Anyway, I'm just challenging your opinion, and thanks for taking it politely. It would have been nice if you'd engaged more, but that's ok. And My own wants are represented perfectly well, thanks for asking :)
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @dushanstojchev

    Somebody issued death threats, and if they issued death threats to Anita Sarkeesian, one might reasonably consider them to not be on her side.

    Honestly, it is impossible to work out who is who in this mess. What is clear for all to see though, is that the name gamergate, whether high jacked or otherwise, now represents lunatics. Whoever else it might represent, and whatever their views, and whether those views are legit or not, gamergate as a word now means "woman haters".

    So anyone that supports it, regardless of any good intentions, is supporting the flag that is flown by a hate group.

    Why don't all the people who have a problem with journalistic integrity just stop using the flag gamergate? It would certainly help to overturn accusations of misogyny and it would definitely help them communicate their apparently legit concerns. So why don't they do it? Why continue to drink from a poisoned well. I just can't understand the sense of it.



    "The local police dept, the FBI and the University all concluded the threat was not credible. But hey, go with Sarkeesian. Thumbs up."

    Think about the logic of what you are saying. If someone threatens your life and the lives of others, and the police later assume the threat to be baseless, that it somehow becomes your fault? Someone threatens to punch you, you tell the police, turns out the threat was just a joke, and that is then your fault?

    Sarkeesian reported a threat to the police, they did their job and investigated it. What is wrong with that? I honestly don't know what you think she did wrong in this instance. Do you really think that reporting threats of a mass shooting was the wrong thing to do, or an unreasonable action in some way? More unreasonable than the actions of the person that issued the threats?
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @Bill_P

    Thanks for engaging.


    "I don't understand why any self-respecting feminist critic would make the video game industry a focus."

    Well I think it is because they feel that some parts of the games business are sexist. I work in the games business, and I can tell you, some parts of it are definitely sexist. But whether Anita's view is right or wrong (I personally don't like her approach, her videos sometimes clumsily oversimplify, which obscures some of the very good points she makes), she is completely entitled to express it.

    If you don't agree with someone, the thing to do is engage with them, as I have done with you. You say you don't understand why any self respecting feminist would focus on video games, but I bet you haven't asked one in a polite voice.


    "I feel that they are misguided. The video game industry is a 100% profit driven market. The reason games are orientated towards the male demographic is because it's young males who are buying games."

    Well one of the points being made, as I understand it, is that games as a market is growing and has been doing so for years. It is no longer just for young men. Now personally I think that as the games biz gets bigger, it should definitely still include that audience, but is only the way to continue to include young men in gaming really to pander to some base stereotypes at the exclusion of new players? Surely there is a path where everyone can like games? Books and films have both reached that place, where nobody says "books are sexist" or "films are racist". Why can't games reach that place? Why not defend gaming with its positive aspects, rather than its negatives?

    Comics are still viewed as niche and nerdy, even though they are decades old. And the reason? My theory is that back in the day, comics were so concerned with remaining pure and "for comic fans" that they limited their scope and scuppered a great chance to become mainstream. We can't cry that games are art in one breath, and then limit their reach in the next.



    "To suggest otherwise is absurd in my opinion."

    Relying on such hyperbole really doesn't do you any favours. I can definitely say that you thinking something is absurd holds no sway with me at all :)


    "Feminist critics who are worth their salt will look at institutional sexism, not sexism within a business culture such as the game industry."

    I'm struggling to tell the difference. A not insignificant part of the gaming biz is institutionally sexist. I know that for a fact. That it is a for-profit business sector seems unconnected to me.

    Are we saying that only public services can be sexist, or that for-profit organisations are allowed to be sexist if it is for profit? Would we suggest that a racist company is allowed to be racist if they are being do to make a buck? I genuinely believe you would say no, and it is a bit cheeky of me to provoke you with that, but you must agree the idea of legitimate racism for profit is absurd....... and yet. Well, I'll leave that point where it is.


    "Nothing I read here from these reactionary, PC, conformist, group think, numb-skulls has made me think otherwise."

    I can see that you're angry, and I don't blame you because some posters on here have been pretty rude to you. That you were provocative is not really an excuse for them, as if the only reason you have for doing something is that you were provoked, you probably shouldn't do it.

    I don't so much want you to agree with me, as I want you to think about what matters here. It really definitely doesn't matter whether you like any of the conformist numbskulls as you call them. But it really does matter that you scrutinise your own views, as we all should as often as is healthy.

    Death threats issued to people is not good karma (I mean that loosely, I don't believe in proper karma). Setting out to destroy people's lives is also not good karma. For all the issues you might have with journalists and feminists, do you really think that those are ok? Are you really ok with death threats and rape threats issues to people? If you think about it, and you find that you aren't ok with those things, you may want to think twice about voice any kind of support for those that are. And maybe consider whether there is a better way to defend the games you love, whilst allowing others to enjoy them too. If you don't know what the end game is, the place that you need to get to be happy, I'm not sure you ever will be (blimey, that went a little bit Yoda at the end there, you take my point I hope).
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @Liquid--Leeroy

    There are surely more than just two sides, so saying both sides are wrong is oversimplifying somewhat.

    Also, if one side expresses and opinion that doesn't necessarily stand up to complete scrutiny, and the other side issues death threats, the second side is definitely way more wrong than the first.

    If some of the people at the heart of this accepted that a different opinion to your own is not a crime, this would calm down very quickly. It is not a matter of both sides being wrong, because wrong and right are not that binary.
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @Bill_P

    "I don't understand why feminist critics are interested in video games."

    Is that really true? Do you really mean you don't understand, or do you mean that you don't like it that they are? Honest question.
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    "And let us acknowledge for a moment the awful irony that, after decades of defending video games from accusations that they inspire school shootings, we now have a threatened school shooting explicitly inspired by games culture"

    This.

    Whoever these people are, wherever they, whatever organisation they claim to be part of, whatever banner they fly, and whatever cause they say is truly at the heart of their movement, how can they not see that they are becoming the monster they previously cried did not exist.

    You can't fighting claims of misogyny by calling people feminazis and whores. You can't fight claims that games create violent behaviour by threatening violence. It is like burning down the house of anyone who calls you an arsonist. Maybe some people don't care about the picture they are painting, or games, or gamers, of themselves, but the only logical end game to that belligerent approach is to "win", and the only way to "win" is to covert or kill EVERYONE ELSE (which is of course, not remotely something that is going to happen here, ever).

    I just wish people would think more. They don't even have to agree with me, but they really should be thinking more. Just slowing down, just for a moment, not worrying about who their enemy is, taking a breath, and having a really good think.
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  • Biofeedback-based horror game Nevermind tailors its scares to you

  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @IronSoldier

    We're in agreement about some things, but not all of them. I think it is stretching things somewhat to accuse EG of acting as an extension of a marketing arm, just because they used the word "platform".

    I said I understand how it might sound, but I also said that I think it is an appropriate way to view Rift, and maybe the article author simply feels the same way. In other words, if I had written the article, I might well have used the same word (especially when grouping Rift with Mac and XBO, which nobody could deny are different platforms).

    This whole "reads like a press release" things keeps coming up, but honestly I just wonder why anyone cares so much about it. What is the actual concern? That you will be brainwashed into liking something that you would prefer not to like? And what is the suggested solution, that EG write every article like an autopsy report? I am personally looking forward to Rogue, and when I see an article about it with a positive lilt, I enjoy reading it. So what if the author got excited and expressed positive hopes about the game. We're all grown ups, we can all develop and hold our own opinions about a thing. That an article like that really bothers anyone for more than a few seconds is completely beyond me. I sometimes think people are just looking for reasons to be annoyed. If you've not heard the term "tilting windmills", you might want to look it up :)
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @IronSoldier

    I agree it totally is getting into semantics, but I think it is important to view Rift as a platform when it comes to development.

    If they had said a stretch goal is to "switch on Rift support" I'd be concerned. Good rift games are built to be rift games, and with an existing title I would hope that a degree of redesign would take place rather than just handing over the camera to rift control and hitting compile. And in this case, it does sound like they rift as sufficiently different to standard PC to treat it as a platform.

    So I agree with you that it seems a bit like marketing speak, but I think that behind that lies a sound attitude, for which they should be given credit.
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @IronSoldier

    "That implies the PC version, unlike the other versions, requires OR to be played and therefore cannot be played normally by being displayed on a monitor"

    Not sure that is true.

    The PC version is the standard model, and Rift is a stretch goal. They aren't going to take normal PC play out if they put Rift support in, are they.
    Reply 0
  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    Good grief that second video was annoying. That dude is off the chart annoying. I thought I got a video of an Aladdin pantomime by mistake. Reply +1
  • Apple unveils iPad Air 2, iPad Mini 3, iMac Retina 5K, new Mac Mini

  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @arty

    Unless your son plans on selling it soon, I'm not sure what the problem is.
    Reply +10
  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    Ah, the £399 model is a bit underpowered (still fine for media things mind). Reply 0
  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    I use a Mac Mini at home (2011 model I think, maybe 2012). It is a great bit of kit, and makes an ideal media hub (plus I can dual boot Win 7 when the need arises). £399 is a good starting price too. I don't need an upgrade... but I kind of want one. Reply +1
  • PlayStation 4 system update adds USB background music

  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @cz_hedgehog

    Hehe. I was being flippant :)

    I agree about getting music from the hdd, that would be nice. Streaming from a network source would be even better (ideally I would rather keep my tunes in one place and make them accessible across my network than start copying them all over place).
    Reply +2
  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @TelexStar

    Yeah, I used to use PlayTV on my PS3, and the lack of rear USB ports was a pain there too.
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  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @cz_hedgehog

    "You need a USB stick hanging out your console?"

    How else would you suggest music be streamed from a USB stick?
    Reply +3
  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    THIS :)


    "Add To Library: The monthly free PlayStation Plus games will have an ‘Add to Library’ button in the PlayStation Store. This button will add a game to a PS4 owner’s library without downloading it – saving space on their hard drive."
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  • Shadow of Mordor patch adds versatile Photo Mode

  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    @Cheeseasaurus

    "Photo mode that doesn't actually let you take photos. That's a bit of a silly oversight no?"

    It was clearly built with the PS4 share button in mind. Same goes for The Last of Us and Infamous 3's photo modes. If they knew that XBOne was getting a similar featgure, it would make no sense duplicating it within the game code.
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  • Civilian massacring game Hatred courts controversy, gets it

  • kangarootoo 17/10/2014

    I'm not sure I quite approve, but I get the point the developer is making, and can't really condemn this purely on the basis that the script writing in that trailer is f*cking atrocious. I will say that they are making their point rather clumsily, and they would benefit from spendng some money on a writer, but I understand. Reply +8
  • Assassin's Creed: Rogue is more than the cash-grab it could have been

  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    @2old4disshit

    There was a bit of naval combat in AC3, and it was the best thing in it. There is tons of naval exploring and combat in AC4, which is also an excellent game in many ways, but again the naval side of things is really what shines.

    AC4 is not really about being an assassin anymore, but honestly it doesn't matter.
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  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    @IronSoldier

    Seriously man, cheer up.
    Reply -2
  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    @Joshkay41

    Well said.
    Reply 0
  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    @AllenSpawn

    "How about a coaster?"

    Dammit. I disagree with the sentiment, but that is a snappy line. Can't decide whether to plus or neg......
    Reply -2
  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    @not_themilkybarkid

    There is a genus called "Pinguinus"? That is amazing :)
    Reply 0
  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    "And anyone who simply wants another pirate simulator in the same vein as Black Flag"

    That would be me. Can't wait.

    Except for the bloody modern day sections that just will not go away. They can go shut their head in a fridge door.
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  • E3 organiser and trade group ESA speaks out against GamerGate

  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    @richardsebire

    "I have a right to my opinions, but whenever I state them I am left defending them"

    As a point of order, that is exactly how it should be. Everyone has the right to speak their mind, and everyone has else has the right to critique an opinion spoken out loud.

    I defend my opinions all the time, and I'm happy to. But crucially, I also change my opinions in the face of new information, or disagreement from sources that I respect.

    If as you say you continually find yourself having to defend your opinions, well I'm not saying just give up on them (though I definitely don't agree with some of them), but you might want to apply greater scrutiny to them. I find a useful process is to not always think about why you are right, but to also think about why the person that disagrees with you thinks THEY are right. Don't just defend, understand. Just my recommendation :)
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  • kangarootoo 16/10/2014

    @Aurain

    Thanks for the reply.

    So to apply a bit of due process to the logic here, on the one hand the media could only report one part of the story because it furthers their agenda, and on the other hand they could be simply reporting the most prominent part of the story. It is impossible to tell which is the case.

    And in any big group of people there will be some that firmly believe in the intent to imporve journalistic integrity, and those that are bigoted nut jobs. As Fry put it, a hashtag is not a manifesto, it is a free for all, and I don't for a moment believe that gamergate started with any kind of clear agreed agenda.


    "you can easily find in-depth information and specifics by researching yourself."

    That isn't going to happen, because honestly I can't be arsed. The whole thing just seems like a shit storm to me, and I can't commit the effort to trying to work out who is being a dick and who has something legitimate to say.

    Perhaps that says something about what gamergate has become, that as platform for defending journalistic integrity, it has become completely unsuitable for the job (and as a platform for hate against women, it has become rather more suitable).

    Nobody with an insider view seems to be answering the question that keeps getting raised - why don't those with genuine concerns about journalistic integrity AND who don't hold bigoted views (the two are not mutually exclusive, and it kind of important to people like me that one is present AND the other is absent) simply distance themselves from the movement? Or have they already done so?
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