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Please don't listen to these newborn babies who are crying because the game is linear.
Doom is linear.
To you it was behaviour. To me it was words.
"Get a second job" -> words
"Next-gen (not hi def, mind) doesn't start until we say it does" -> words
"Supercomputer" -> word
... like BR, BT, WiFi, BC, free online, HDMI. Which you said of, if I recall correctly: "nobody had it back then. why include it?" Well. They all (except BC which they pulled) became standards. What did 360 include exactly? Standard components and paid online. Even their achievements were copied from a PS2 game! :rolleyes:
And then you also had cell. ;) which was so advanced it actually did run in the fastest computer (N°1) on earth for a recordbreaking duration.
I suppose that is in line with their TVTVTTV (notice the double T), CoD and sports, sports, sports message then.
I stated what I stated to address the impression DF had that, had KZ or the Uncharteds been programmed to the 360's metal, they'd question if 360 would be capable enough. Find me a 360 exclusive which says something along these lines towards PS3.
oh boy. I really should never address tech talk to you, you can't even understand plain and simple English.
and indeed, that is exactly what I meant. Millions of gamers were quite against Sony because of some ill-chosen words, while being blind to the value on offer (actually cheaper in the long run for way much more tech). Thanks. you seem to catch on now.
Do I really need to rehearse again what I mean with "future proof tech"? You seem a bit slow to me. :rolleyes: again
Apparently my "tech speak" (your words, not mine) already is over your head. I indeed better stop then.
BTW: that's pretty: a footy game running at the same framerate on current gen. Any others?
At least first-party games showed things on PS3, 360 would actually have problems with. You can read it again on DF's archives.
Where did I do so?
I merely stated that Sony gave an extremely good machine for the price, with lots and lots of brand-new, future-proof tech.
But was "the launch" glowing? There's two sides:
1) see above. yes, we should all have been pretty happy.
2) no, as 'persons like you' took misplaced one-liners as a reason not to buy one.
"The PlayStation  is not a game machine. We've never once called it a game machine," stated Kutaragi at the beginning of his latest interview. "The PS3 is the product we have been aiming for since the establishment of SCEI", said Kutaragi. "We haven't been creating our [past] PlayStations for the sake of games. Our belief, and the motivation behind running our company, has been to (explore ways of) applying the power of computers to entertainment and enjoyment.
There's nothing remotely funny about Microsoft jacking up the cost of the XBO with aspects that no gamer wanted, with an agenda to beat Apple.
Shall we drag up the GIF of the XBO advert with "1080p gaming" on it?
They dropped the price within a year. Isn't that a 180?
Of course it's not, it's called hardware revision and reduced manufacturing costs.
Part and parcel, as you well kno1w. Calling that a 180 is very desperate.
Within a year. Once again another 180.
Hang on, so a hardware iteration that resulted in a lower cost to the end user, is a 'bad thing' because its some weird 180 in your world?
So going from a 1080/720p gap to a 1080/900p gap is what you would call an "ever widening resolution gap between the two"? Math isn't your strong point. How about titles like the recently released UFC where not only is the resolution identical, but the X1 version has a more stable frame-rate?
Ever widening between PS4 and XBO, to the favour of the former.
Haha, proper clutching at straws now, dragging out the odd game that barely manages to achieve parity, whilst almost everything else runs at a higher resolution AND more performant on the PS4.
Sure. Just like the PS3. I don't have a problem with the X1 not being as powerful as the PS4. Lots of people here, you included have a big issue being reminded that the PS3 is not as capable as the 360 despite being more expensive!
But the PS3 also doubled as a useful blu ray player.
Bring that argument to now-gen, what 'useful' feature does the XBO have over the PS4? Whats it's 'PS3 blu ray' bullet point?
"It's only a matter of time before Sony takes the same approach", is meaningless is context to this discussion, which is that Sony did not intend to do a Microsoft with the PS4. You have nothing to base that viewpoint on, other than "They probably would do..eventually".
The number of floating point operations a processor can do is obviously not the only requirement for good gaming performance. Once again it was an ill advised move on Sony's part and one I am sure was done to so the PS3 could be a trojan horse for Sony tech (as it was with the BD drive).
And you bend that one liner to suit your needs to make a point. Hirai-san never said what you wrote. He said: "Next gen doesn't start until we say it does."
Rightly so, given all the, admitted by you, next-gen technology in their machine: Cell, BR, BT, WiFi, HDMI.
For 360 users, next-gen didn't start until their machine had RROD'd for the n-th time and received a refurbished one which finally, after years, included... HDMI.
I asked you what BR had to do with 720p and you retort with movies?! Without answering me: when was the last time you switched discs?
But you're right: MS had the better approach. Sell an inferior version to early adopters and hope they buy anew by including necessary tech later in the platforms lifetime.
Did you understand what I said?
It didn't sell because of customer stupidity, oblivious to the amount of tech thrown in, focusing instead on ill-chosen words. We got a great console this time, but without all the extra's Sony could have added - like they did the previous two gens they were in.
Compare to MS this time. They not only used words - they had translated them into deeds already. DRM was a fact, no second-hand was, Always online was etc etc etc.
Firstly, show me where Sony intended to fuse the PS3 with your cable box, into one seamless whole. Show me where they built the PS3 or PS4, from the metal up, to integrate directly with your TV box.
Both consoles were effectively restricted to sub-HD resolutions, apart from a small handful of low-asset games.
How is that a 180?
Hang on though, now you're talking about hardware revisions and iterations. How long post release did this happen?
Yeah, really awesome amount of 1080p games, now-gen. More and more are going to hit 900p on the XBO as the sweet spot for fidelity vs performance, with PS4 ever widening the resolution gap between the two.
The XBO is crippled by non-gaming design decisions. It will never catch the PS4 on power, unless Microsoft put a hardware revision out.
"It made us feel a little bit clearer about our message," House said, "when a lot of the negativity was emerging around DRM issues and used games. I remember reading an article literally the weekend before E3 that was basically saying that this is the direction Microsoft was taking and that it was only a matter of time before Sony adopts the same approach.
What has BR to do with 720p?
WiFi (and bluetooth and HDMI for that matter) was indeed found in very few homes, but Sony included it. How many ended up using it eventually? Sony offered it right from the start, future-proofing the machine.
Cell. Didn't I state we could argue about its fitness for games? Since I know you are not completely dumb, I do suppose you agree that it was very very very good at number crunching? And that, although PS3's GPU processor was far inferior to 360's, multiplats eventually turned out to be quite alike, didn't they?
Dumb customers turned their backs, as they were not able to see through the marketing blunders in the form of single phrases to appreciate the effort Sony put in.
These same dumb customers are directly responsible for us not getting quite the amount of brand-new tech this time around! Why would Sony do that again?
Stick by whichever statement you want, but history should have proven you wrong buddy.
These were elements Sony wanted to improve on after "bitter and painful experiences on PlayStation 3".
I do.. and it is not because of any blind brand loyalty.
Everyone knows we are heading to a digital-only future and downloads will eventually replace brick and mortar shops... probably during THIS generation.
Once that happens the whole DRM thing is "kinda there" and Sony and MS have what they want. Sony seem happy to allow this transition to happen at the rate customers are willing to accept it. MS wanted to force the issue. Fires erupted - MS got burnt.
But these are all good signs. All building trust. all pushing us to a digital future faster.
MS's recent summer Sale and Games with Gold are now treading the same path, trust will eventually follow. But none of these really existed to the degree they do now before the XB1 policies.
BUT most of all MS have to start opening up their store to 3rd parties and allow a measure of competition.
MS misjudged the market again, but they have done that at least 4 times in the XB1 launch; DRM, Kinect, TV, targeting non-core gamers, price, etc.
Why wasn't the PS4 built, at a hardware level, for TVTVTV? No HDMI passthrough means their vision for the PS4 was nothing like the XBO. Or do you expect people to believe that they changed the hardware before release?
Microsoft have been edging closer and closer and closer to the Xbox being more than 'just' a games console. Anyone who has used the 360 since launch can clearly see how the UI has been fundamentally changed to allow adverts and pressure points to be built into the 'experience', for non-gaming activities. Now look at the PS3. Did you suddenly start to see masses of adverts for movies or shit when you switched it on? No, you didn't. You could go to the relevant section but it wasn't force-fed as soon as the console had power.
Show me one, just one other example of a games console release that matches the XBO and the amount of 180's. You can't. Microsoft have been rightly chastised and are now eating humble pie. You should be thankful to people like me for that, because it's people like me, those 30'somethings with cash on the hip who turned their back on the XBO and forced all these changes to come about. So when the XBT is released, maybe, just maybe it will be a proper games console, rather than a TVTVTV box that can do games too. Just. If you're lucky. At 720p. Without vysnc.
Yet, "wanting to make the most money they can using any tactics" last gen resulted in releasing a console which had an amazingly potent processor (although arguably unfit for games), BR, BT, WiFi, HDMI, BC, card readers and free online. For the price, back then, of a standalone BR player.
If they'd wanted to make the most money using any tactics, I suppose they would have went off the shelve (like they did now), charge for online (like they did now) and include less (like they did now).
Compare the Sony PS3 "any tactics" above to MS releasing a tech product using off the shelve, standard HW (without BT, WiFi, HDMI, HDD and Live subscription - no less!) which was totally unfit for purpose (i.e. RROD'ing) for the best part of their two initial years.
Oh the ironing
It seemed to pick up favourable reviews. Eurogamer didn't review it, sadly, because we were busy fanning fanboy flamewars!
And I'm all too aware of what plunder means. After all, I originate from India, a country which the British Raj plundered. :) Before they got here, it was one of the richest lands in the world, spiritually and materially. By the time they were kicked out, it was one of the poorest, at least materially.
Remember, I started console gaming with the PS3-360 era. I didn't have any consoles prior to that (nor did I use to read any gaming websites - I started reading online about gaming about half a year after I purchased my 360), and so I came into this with a sort of clean slate.
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