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  • We cannot let this become gaming culture

  • frazzl 21/10/2014

    @_tangent
    And I bet if I asked a "moderate" GG supporter they'd contest the basis of the movement. This is really my central point: arguing with "moderates" about what GG "really" stands for is a waste of time. Insisting they are defending misogynists just by using the GG tag, is a waste of time. You might advise them that using the tag is only going to cause people to lump them in with the misogynists, and that they'd be wise to stop using it. They may choose to ignore that advice for all sorts of reasons (i.e. not because they are tacitly misogynistic). None of that prevents you from engaging them in a discussion about their actual "moderate" stated aims and/or complaints.
    I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think I could do it. It started as a hate movement. And hate movements love to pretend that they are in fact standing for something noble. To associate one's self with such a hate movement is an action that deserves derision. I guess I am just stubborn :).

    Same, and agreed. The only comment I'd make is that whilst her sex life is no one else's business, a romantic relationship with a journalist is, in principle, a conflict of interest. I say that without casting aspersions in this case - I don't want to get in to yet another argument about whether a journalist abused his position - but as a general principle. This would apply whatever the gender of the journalist and the person they're writing about.
    Sure. If sex was exchanged for favourable reviews than the parties responsible should be punished for their corruption. It didn't happen here though, and as far as I know nothing of the sort has been documented before, so I see it as a moot point.
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  • frazzl 20/10/2014

    @Discalceaterabbit Does Emma Watson have full control of her reproductive rights in whatever country she resides in? Like certain states in the US? Reply 0
  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @_tangent
    That parallel is: just because someone in the past identified with a movement and said some horrible shit, does not mean people who don't agree with that horrible shit should distance themselves from the movement itself, rather than attempt to distance the movement from the horrible shit.
    It is if the movement was made for the basis of said horrible shit. If the KKK, for example, start making valid points, who would use them as a representation? Not people without any racial prejudices I bet.

    That is not to say that criticism of Zoe Quinn is, by definition, an act of misogyny.
    Sure. Her game doesn't interest me personally, and prior to this debacle my only opinion on her was "not another hipster indie dev" (I am not a fan of the "indie games are the future" bandwagon). But that's entirely different from demonizing her for her sexuality; it's irrelevant to gaming. Her sex life is none of our business. It is in no way fuel for gaming discussion. Sadly too many GGers seem to think so. Just read the posts I have replied to! Someone even compared her to a rapist!! That's misogyny without a doubt.
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  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @_tangent Well I had a look and I disagree with this part:

    To be fair to these moderates, their position is hardly unique. Some feminists out there have, in the past, equated any sort of consensual sexual intercourse between a man and a woman as rape on the man's part. Modern feminists don't distance themselves from feminism and adopt a new term, they simply say "these people don't speak for us, we're not prepared to let them hijack a movement we identify with". Now, some of those feminists made those comments years before Anita was born. She doesn't see that as an argument that feminism belongs to them, and rightly so.
    Equating GG to feminism is a false equivalence in my opinion. If I am not mistaken the feminist movement was born out of a desire for women to be treated as equals in what was (and still is) a patriarchal society. The GG movement was born out of misogyny and not the desire for journalistic ethics. You can't really say that the misogynists have hijacked the GG movement when they were the ones responsible for starting it. So telling people genuinely concerned with pursuing journalistic ethics to distance themselves from the GG movement is fair advice in my opinion.

    I suppose I'd say it's not really about blame. I'm not trying to recriminate. I'm trying to encourage a constructive discussion. At present, there are two groups of people shouting at each other. One side is saying "we want to talk about corruption" the other is saying "you're a bunch of misogynists". The truth is, people on both sides of that argument would probably find they enjoy consensus on a lot of things.
    I am happy to engage in constructive discussion; I think we having such a discussion now. However if someone says "The GG movement is not a misogynist movement, but fuck Zoe Quinn she's an evil bitch" I will not engage in a civil discussion; I'll simply call them out on their hypocrisy and tell them to fuck off (see my convo with dirtysteve).
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  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @_tangent
    Quite, but you're not arguing with the right people. No one is defending hate mail, or death threats, or misogynistic ranting. You're essentially ruling out debate with people campaigning for journalistic ethics, because another group of people hate women. This seems a bit crazy to me. One of the best posts I've seen on this comments section was from a guy basically saying:
    Well if those people were truly about campaigning for journalistic ethics they would distance themselves from this GamerGate bullshit; a movement that has clearly been shown to be motivated by misogyny. Zoe Quinn has nothing to do with journalistic ethics. Those claims have been debunked. Anita Sarkeesian has nothing to do with journalistic ethics. She never has. The whole Operation Bayonetta bullshit once again has nothing to do with journalistic ethics. Just plain fucking misogyny. So do you really blame people like myself dismissing anyone waving the GG banner straight away?

    Bring up journalistic ethics and I would be happy to talk. It's something that effects us all. And in fact when Tom Bramwell wrote his "I am a misogynist" article I had quite a few questions about journalistic ethics which he answered immediately (see the comments thread of that article). Bring up GG and I will simply tell you to fuck off.
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  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @dirtysteve
    You didn't look very hard if you couldn't find evidence of Quinn's wrongdoing.
    who was doxx'd first is irrelevant. Two wrongs don't make a right.
    I have looked very hard for evidence of her "wrongdoings" and all I found was:
    - She may have cheated on her ex.
    - One of her supporters may have doxxed FYC.
    How exactly does this have anything to do with ethics in game journalism? How does this provide any justification for what she has experienced from gamers, a lot of whom proudly fly the Gamergate banner? And why are you so fixated with her apart from using her for victim blaming?

    I never dismissed the threats, I condemned them. But again, that doesn't fit your pathetic attempt to frame the narrative here.
    Condemn the threats yet still go after Zoe Quinn? Wow what a great and unbiased guy you are!

    I don't claim to represent you, never did.
    I never said GG did either, just that there are valid issues.
    What valid issues? Prove to me and everyone else here that Zoe Quinn colluded with the game press to get good reviews for her game. Prove to me that Anita Sarkeesian plans to destroy gaming. In fact find me one review from a major online gaming site that has indisputably been shown to have been paid for. Good luck!

    Also the GG movement claims to represent gamers. Ditto with their fucking #notyourshield bullshit. The fact is they don't represent gamers. They represent a fucking stupid segment of people who play videogames who I'd personally loathe to refer to as gamers.

    Pull your head out of your arse, read what I actually said, aand stop using the transparent and lazy tactic of accusations of bigotry.

    I'm not bigoted, but I don't know about you.
    Then stop supporting a movement that's purely motivated by bigotry. It is quite simple. However you're so invested in protecting GG that, well, it says a lot about who you are.
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  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @dirtysteve It is not me doing the tarring. I read about the joke through comments here from the moderators. Seems that it is far from a lie.

    And yes I did Google looking for evidence to back your claim that Quinn's manager doxxed the FYC. Found absolutely nothing at all to suggest what you've said is true. And in fact if you do use Google, as you have suggested, you will see that Phil Fish was doxxed first.

    And you are dismissing the treats by insisting on focusing on non-existent issues. Here you are attacking Zoe Quinn instead of attacking a virulently misogynistic movement. Because that is exactly what Gamergate is. They don't want media transparency. That's a fucking laugh. What they want to do is to shut up any opposition to the status quo. Just look at their recently started Operation Bayonetta.

    And I don't want to represent you. I don't want anything to do with someone who has your brand of medieval sensibilities. However if you claim that Gamergate is there for gamers I will be there to tell you to take that fucking nonsense and stick it up your arse because the movement is not representing gamers like me.
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  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @dirtysteve What evidence do you have that Quinn's business manager doxx'd them? And weren't Zoe Quinn and Phil Fish doxx'd first and this was a retaliation by one of their supporters and not Quinn herself?

    Quinn also attacked a site for the suicidally depressed because one or two of them spoke against her.
    Proof?

    To say the claims against her have been debunked is ignorant at best, and at worst, lying and promoting a rotten individual, just to justify your stance.
    Speaking of rotten individuals, aren't you the one who got banned for making an anti-Semitic joke?

    also, who said the threats were justified? I think you'll find that noone on here has.
    Dismissing the threats or victim blaming implicitly support such actions. And the people who do this, people like you, deserve to be called out. I don't want you representing me as a gamer, thank you very much.
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  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @dushanstojchev Do you know what objectification means? How am I objectifying people like you? Dehumanizing? Calling you out for your bullshit is dehumanizing? Again I think you should hit up a dictionary before talking shit about Eurogamer, Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. I also love how you complain about me "discriminating/dismissing" people like you when your whole post does just that for people who point out all the problems the whole gamergate movement has. I think it's you who is projecting buddy, not me. Reply 0
  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @Lemming81 It was debunked. GamerGate resolved nothing. All it has done is give misogynists a platform with which to delude themselves into feelings of moral superiority. Reply +2
  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @Nikanoru At worst a hypocrite. She is not the only person to have been a hypocrite at least once in their life. Are you saying you've never been a hypocrite? Does this justify the hate leveled at her? Really? FFS! Reply -1
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @hugojackson #notyourshield buddy! Reply 0
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @Nikanoru

    Do I really need to bring out the old "if a rapist made a game, would you ignore the fact they are a rapist"?
    So now you're comparing Zoe Quinn to a rapist?!

    If a person has strong opinions about a certain subject, as well as strong influence in a community, then their actions reflect on everything they have to say about it.
    Zoe Quinn is not some bigshot game developer. So what strong influence does she have on the game community exactly?
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  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @Totza I'd rather be a "social justice warrior" than a misogynist dimwit. True story! Reply +8
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @dushanstojchev Do you know how many people support regimes that oppress them (or at the very least do them a disservice when representing them)? I think if you did you wouldn't be using the above factoid like some sort of trump card ;) Reply 0
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @Nikanoru The fact that you're being so vague in your replies says it all. Nothing should have "flowed forth from it". Her sex life is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what she may have said about her sex life before, because that too is irrelevant. We are gamers. We should only be interested in a dev's gaming output. What he or she does in her private life should not be under our purview. The fact you think so is disappointing. Very disappointing. Reply +2
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @dushanstojchev The "death" of misogynist pigs I definitely will enjoy. We don't need or want them partaking in our hobby thank you very much. Reply 0
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @dushanstojchev Don't let the door hit you on your way out ;) Reply +2
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @Nikanoru It doesn't do any such thing. So she said something contradictory. Wow. Is she the first developer to do so? Have other developers received the hate campaign she has? You're fixating on a completely irrelevant event (if such an even actually happened - her ex-boyfriend's blog is proof of nothing really). What she may or may not have said about cheating and whether she may or may not have cheated on her ex-boyfriend are irrelevant to gamers. It's none of their business. Her games are. That's it. Reply +3
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @Needs_More_Tang The fact that you use the term SJW really doesn't help your post. And Gamergate arose out of the whole Zoe Quinn fiasco. A fiasco that did not involve any impropriety between developer and journalist. So why would I take it as a "referral to the ethics between developers and journalists"? To me it will always be a smokescreen for misogyny and vile trolling over the Internet.

    Edit: I just saw this:

    It truly astounds me that people dont know what a press event is. (1) Rock in to event (2) Play game for 1 hour. (3) Think game is very meh (4) Receive goody bag. Including expensive console and fleshlight (5) Game is now 9/10.
    Ah yes, so you're one of those....Well that explains everything.
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  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @Nikanoru I asked what she had done bad that would get her vilified by so many gamers. Do you think she's the only game developer that has had an extra-marital affair (and I for one am not sure if she has to be honest)? Would we react the same way if we heard Cliffy B, Molyneaux or Gabe Newell had one or more mistresses? I sincerely doubt it. Here's betting plenty of you outraged Gamergate guys would be a-ok with that. Reply +5
  • Valve pulls game from Steam following dev's tweet threatening Gabe Newell

  • frazzl 21/10/2014

    He couldn't wait a day or two to get the thing sorted? Instead he went apeshit on a public forum. He deserves his comeuppance! Reply +1
  • Jade Raymond leaves Ubisoft after a decade

  • frazzl 21/10/2014

    @smelly Fair enough :) Reply 0
  • frazzl 21/10/2014

    @smelly The press plays a big role now when it comes to AAA releases. And she's handled things pretty well. Just look at the fuck ups others at Ubisoft (and not just them mind you) have done in their interactions with the press. Reply 0
  • frazzl 21/10/2014

    I wish her the best of luck in her future endeavors. She's done a great job with the games she produced so I am sure she'll do well with whatever comes next for her. Reply +1
  • The Evil Within's God Mode cheat lets you run around headless

  • frazzl 21/10/2014

    What happens when you get dynamited? Reply 0
  • Hyper Light Drifter: Exploring October's beta

  • frazzl 20/10/2014

    I played the X1 version at the recent NZ Game Expo. It is weird that Donlan has not included the X1 as one of the list of platforms that the title is being released on because it obviously is. Even if you don't take my word for it, it's mentioned on their official site which he, ironically, links to. Reply -1
  • Civilian massacring game Hatred courts controversy, gets it

  • frazzl 20/10/2014

    @MeBrains You are the one who's struggling here. No where on that page does it show that decriminalizing drug use decreases availability. Absolutely no where at all. On the other hand you can clearly see an increase in availability in Netherlands in the time period measured. Is this solely due to the decriminalization? I have no idea. I never claimed it was. However to say that decriminalization has had no effect is just as bogus. I would suggest you have a Google of the reforms the Dutch government introduced due to booming drug tourism. The term you're after is "weed passes" ;). So yes there clearly is more support for what I have said, as small as that support may be, versus what you've said, which has 0 support. Is that really too hard to understand, even for a MicroBrains like yourself ;)? Reply -1
  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @MeBrains You are the one who's trying to use a comparison between 2 very different countries to support your legalization of drugs argument. Sadly that very page you link to provides more support for my statement than yours. I never said that legalizing drugs is the sole reason for this increase though. That's you once again talking out of your arse :cool: Reply -1
  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @MeBrains Did you read the page? First table compares drug use in Netherlands to drug use in the USA. 2 completely different countries with different demographics, different economies and very different availability of elicit drugs. How this is proof of anything is a joke. The second table though is more telling and unsurprisingly you fail to mention it. Here it looks at drug usage in Netherlands only from 1997 to 2009. You can clearly see that the prevalence of drug use has increased in this time period, with the greatest increase seen in cannabis consumption. Which basically fits with what I have said.

    Again you change my words or adapt them to suit your flawed arguments. I didn't say legalizing is not "worse than playing a videogame". I said: legalization in my opinion doesn't seem to be worse than youngsters playing this videogame.
    No I haven't. You are saying that you don't think legalizing drug use is worse than youngsters playing this videogame. So you are directly comparing the two events and equating them. Which as I said shows exactly how fucked up your priorities are.
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  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @MeBrains Well in the 1800s it was a "deductible fact" that people couldn't fly and never would. Well you know how that turned out. Quite simply you have absolutely no factual basis to back your arguments. You are simply talking out of your arse. No surprise there given who you are :cool:

    And btw my comments have been entirely on course. You on the other hand have had major difficulties staying consistent, shifting topics whenever one of your previous ones has been easily debunked.
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  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @Bloodfont There is no proof that these developers are neo-Nazis. One Tumblr page suggesting a rather tenuous link to an anti-Immigration group is hardly proof of anything. Reply -1
  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @MeBrains
    I don't need proof to factually know that less 6y olds will have read 300-400p books than there are that will have played violent games at that age, because of what pedagogical studies refer to as "reading level".
    The length of a book and the complexity of its material are two different things. A child's reading level refers to their ability to read and comprehend text. This is related to the complexity of the material not its length Einstein!

    that's for an average six year old.
    I guess you have a different definition of average than I do. Might explain why you are the resident Einstein ;).

    The girl had a notebook and a clipboard. The girl wore a blue plaid skirt like a school uniform, and not one but TWO watches. The girl had a pencil behind her ear. The girl looked very noticeable in her blue-green glasses.

    The girl came over to Judy Moody's lunch table and plopped herself down right beside Judy's friends Rocky and Frank.

    She, NOT Judy Moody, looked like she was in a reporter mood.

    if you still understand. Great! You are doing well! You can sit closer to the teacher now and get a pat on the back!
    I suggest you stick to your day job. Writing is obviously not for you :cool:
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  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @MeBrains
    holocaust denial is just what it is: a denial. There's still communication around, but one part says "no" - fools really, but to me they are entitled to their opinion. Much like creationists are entitled to their opinion.
    Denying a very real event is not an opinion. It's a politically motivated action.

    I said "legalizing drugs" would not be worse than having this game played by kids in the plural and general form.
    Legalizing drugs would increase recreational drug use. In fact making drugs more readily available would increase the likelihood children would get their hands on it (in fact see studies done on what lowering the drinking age does). Yet this is worse than playing a videogame? I think it is you who needs to improve on their intellectual skills :).
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  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @FearAndLoathing Games like this don't make people go on killing sprees. Just like Twinkies don't make people commit a hate crime murder. Don't confuse tactics used as legal defense with real world causality. Reply 0
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @shotbyascot Where have I said I want to buy it? And other games are relevant because if you're going to demonize a game for violence, you need to do so consistently. Going after games made by lesser known developers while giving big name devs the green light is disgusting hypocrisy. Now that's something you shouldn't do! Reply -1
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @shotbyascot
    If you think GTA is close to this though, or anything else for quite a while yet, you know less than you think.
    And I will say the same thing to you if you think they're any different.

    I repeat; I'm 100% against censorship.
    Well at least we agree on that.
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  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @George-Roper I did put the Spoiler tag :( Reply -1
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @shotbyascot
    But A) that's not the only part of GTA and other games and B) Just because it happens in one game, doesn't justify Devs to include it more, nor that people should buy it!
    So you know all there is to know about this game from a 2 minute teaser? And did you level these same complaints against Rockstar? Or Activision? Do you own any such senselessly violent titles? GTA V perhaps? Or a COD/Battlefield? Hypocrisy should always be picked on.
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  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @shotbyascot
    - I think I'm confident in my position of trustworthiness more than those like you defending it like it's a game "for the gamers" or something.
    That's a strawman. I've never said the game looks good. Or that it will be good. All I have said is that the level of violence on display has been seen before. In popular, critically acclaimed titles like GTA V.

    Are you aware of the shit going on in the world right now? This kind of thing is unhelpful and unconstructive in so many ways - to victims of this kind of thing and to the gaming community.
    Do you know just how many games you could level this argument on? Look at the unrest in the Middle East. In Ukraine. Do you think the COD or Battlefield games are helpful or constructive?

    If I think your an idiot for defending it and playing/buying it therefore falling for the Devs marketing ploy of shock value, that's my perogative. Get over it.
    And it is my prerogative to think you are feeble minded and are only criticizing this videogame because it is a safe and easy target being created by a small and little known development team. That you wouldn't dare level the same comments on one of Rockstar's "epics" that sport sociopathic protagonists, senseless violence against civilians, and rampant misogyny.
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  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @George-Roper That's been done in Deadlight Reply -1
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @CholeriKen That's not entirely true. Trevor kills a lot of innocent people as part of the story. You are actively encouraged to kill as many people as you can in the Saints Row titles. In fact there are mini-games built around that concept. Ditto for titles like Prototype. Reply -3
  • frazzl 17/10/2014

    @dirkdirkdirk That's true. As a long time gamer I have seen my hobby being beset with calls for censorship, so to see fellow gamers (well not people like MeBrains, he's a fanboy) do that is disappointing to say the least. Reply -1
  • New Nintendo 3DS review

  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @melnificent I made up an American (address) and use my NZ credit card. They don't really care if the billing address does not match the US address you specify. You do need some sort of US based DNS provider like UnblockUS though. Reply 0
  • frazzl 19/10/2014

    @melnificent I am using Hulu in NZ... Reply -1
  • Face-Off: The Evil Within

  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @man.the.king Yeah I got Shadow of Mordor, Alien Isolation and The Evil Within for my X1. Will be getting Sunset Overdrive and Far Cry 4 for the X1 as well. Not sure about Lords of the Fallen or Halo MCC just yet. No LBP3 (or Project Spark) or GTA V for me. Reply +1
  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @man.the.king Alright I understand what you interpreted his message as, but unfortunately it isn't what he was saying:

    So in reality, without cheating, the XB1 frame-rate should be probably at the level of PS4, or even lower which is probably why the devs decided to cheat and make the engine out of sync with the frame-rate.
    I can imagine for some people that the stutter seen in game could be mistaken for a drop in 5 fps. Having played the first 3 chapters I haven't noticed it all that much, although the drops in frame-rate when streaming a new part of the level are clearly noticeable. It's a great game thus far and worth playing if survival horror is your thing on whatever platform you choose.
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  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @man.the.king He quite clearly states that the Xbox One is cheating. Is that really a technical term? And DF are clearly measuring the frame-rate here. What's happening to cause the stutter is that the rendering is out of sync with the game engine. So despite the frame-rate, game response to controller input suffers. That's a FAR cry from "cheating" or stating most games on the X1 run at 5 fps lower than what is measured, requiring the game developers to "cheat" by implementing the renderer so it is out of sync! Imagine if Cloudskipa said the same about the PS4. I bet you wouldn't have agreed with him!

    Edit: Also note there are other games on different platforms that suffer from the same issue as clearly stated in the article. This is absolutely nothing about the "X1 cheating". I honestly can't believe you would even acknowledge such a ridiculous statement:

    Anyone familiar with the frame-skipping issues present in a number of Bethesda-produced Gamebryo titles, such as Fallout 3 and New Vegas, will know exactly how frustrating this persist tic can be.
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  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @man.the.king I am sorry but what part of this drivel made sense from a tech perspective:

    But why would you ignore the fact that the XB1 cheats and maybe produces ~25fps instead of ~30fps for PS4?

    So in fact the real frame-rate should be always ~5fps lower on XB1, what is shown on your perf video is not the reality. When it's written 26fps the XB1 runs really at ~21fps etc.

    So in reality, without cheating, the XB1 frame-rate should be probably at the level of PS4, or even lower which is probably why the devs decided to cheat and make the engine out of sync with the frame-rate.

    If the real frame-rate is in fact capped at ~25fps on XB1, it means that XB1 has a weaker CPU than PS4 because we know the base framerate (30fps for PS4 and ~25fps for XB1) depends mostly of the CPU.

    So the reality of the situation is probably the contrary of what you tried to convince us insidiously during most of this article.
    So every Xbox One title runs at 5 fps slower than what it is measured as. Even silky smooth titles like Forza Horizon 2 (fixed at 30fps) or Killer Instinct and Forza 5 (fixed at 60 fps)? Really? And what exactly is this magical cheat he's talking about? Honestly this guy is the biggest fanboy around! I think your brand loyalty is showing...
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  • frazzl 18/10/2014

    @globalisateur The XB1 cheats? Really? You seriously are one fucked up fanboy. Reply -1