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  • Grid Wars author's reflections

  • Teeth 21/08/2006

    Just one last thing :) Reply 0
  • Teeth 21/08/2006

    Fair points. Dead Rising is a great example of this sort of thing. The setting is completely ripped from Dawn Of The Dead. While that's probably the only part that can really be said to have been completely lifted, it still means the game will get extra attention because of the work that inspired it. The stories, characters and details of the location are all completely new which IMO relieves it from being accused of actual plagiarism.



    The whole point of all this is to encourage creativity, not stifle it, and I know it looks like it's the other way around here but I don't agree with that view. I think you're too cynical about how good products will spread by word of mouth. Why is Grid Wars 2 the GeoWars clone everyone is talking about? Out of all the clones, this is the one in the news. I think it would still have been as popular if Incitti had used different visuals. It's OK to say your game was inspired by something else - Dead Rising even has a disclaimer at the start - so I think if he'd only lifted parts of the gameplay and not the visuals as well he'd have been fine and his game would still have been popular and have been put around by word of mouth with the "Geometry Wars on PC" tag.



    Anyway I think I'm done here.
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  • Teeth 21/08/2006

    No, I meant Tennis, as in Tennis / Pong.



    Regardless, my original point still stands: if Incitti had not made his game look and behave so much like Geometry Wars, or if he had got permission before infringing on Bizarre's IP, he wouldn't be in this position now. As Bizarre note, if only such people used their powers to create individual video games instead of (however borderline you want to call it) clones, there'd be tons more awesome games around. Surely we can agree on that.
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  • Teeth 21/08/2006

    That's some very selective lawsuit citation there Stuart.



    1up lawsuit article where precedent is set on clones of Tennis and (echoing this case, as some of the gameplay is changed but the graphics were cloned) Pac-Man.



    More lawsuits



    A law blog
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  • Teeth 20/08/2006

    Heh. Fed up with digging yourself into a logical corner, I guess. Nice kn0wning you. Reply 0
  • Teeth 20/08/2006

    Nice parody!



    Stuart,



    "Can't you read? (1) He offered to do exactly that, and (2) he DID "expand on ideas and concepts to create improved derivative works", as I explained in very considerable detail over 4000 words in the feature that's been linked from here and from many of the news pieces on the story. But of course, THE GRAPHICS LOOK THE SAME so none of the kneejerk idiots on here care about any of that."



    My point was that he should have done this before the fact, rather than after the fact. I've played Grid Wars 2 and it's too similar to Geometry Wars for comfort. If I'd made that game I'd have been in touch with the owner before even releasing it on the web - probably as soon as people started saying things like "make this more like Geowars".



    Incitti's done a good thing and his points are completely acceptable; the idea that GW2 is harming Geometry Wars's sales is a bit of a stretch of the imagination, definitely. I wish he'd gone down the road he was travelling before people started convincing him to turn the game into a Geometry Wars clone.
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  • Teeth 19/08/2006

    There's a difference between plagiarism and inspiration. The correct method is to expand on ideas and concepts to create improved derivative works. Saying that the games industry is built on plagiarism is wrong, because if it were we would still be playing Pong.



    As for Grom's comment, there're more ways to be screwed than just financially. IP is property too. "screwed" is a little strong, granted, but their IP was stolen by Incitti, who could've readily made the required changes to cover himself from this kind of action.
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  • Teeth 19/08/2006

    jamesbee +1. Good man.



    By the way, Incitti's remaking Marble Madness at the moment.
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  • Bizarre finally tackles Grid Wars

  • Teeth 19/08/2006

    Whoops, I bumped this. How could that have happened. Reply 0
  • Teeth 18/08/2006

    Yes, that's true, hence the accusations of corporate bullying, which are fair enough and it does go on and it is deplorable when unjustified. Reply 0
  • Teeth 18/08/2006

    There is a pretty nasty grey area in the law that has existed for some time now regarding copying of game designs, partly exacerbated by the fact that it rarely gets pursued by the owner of the IP.



    Basic copyright facts:

    "Computer programs are protected on the same basis as literary works. Conversion of a program into or between computer languages and codes corresponds to "adapting" a work and storing any work in a computer amounts to "copying" the work."



    If Incitti had got permission to use Geometry Wars, he would have been fine.



    In addition, some would see the act of removing the game under threat of court action from Bizarre a clear admission of guilt. If he truly believed that the game was original then he'd be welcome to go to court with Bizarre and defend himself.



    Thanks for trying though Stu.



    How can I prove originality in my work?



    "Ultimately this is a matter for the courts to decide."
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  • Teeth 17/08/2006

    Even basic internet research (wikipedia) proves you 100% wrong Stu.



    "For example, the copyright which subsists in relation to a Mickey Mouse cartoon prohibits unauthorized parties from distributing copies of the cartoon or creating derivative works which copy or mimic Disney's particular anthropomorphic mouse, but does not prohibit the creation of artistic works about anthropomorphic mice in general, so long as they are sufficiently different to not be imitative of the original."



    My emphasis. Grid Wars is a vector shooter that is not sufficiently different from Geometry Wars to be described as "imitative".
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  • Teeth 17/08/2006

    And just to round things off:



    Grid Wars 2 | Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved
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  • Teeth 17/08/2006

    Ah yes he's working on a new game isn't he. That's a completely different game to Marble Madness, Bezzy. Look at the font for example. Completely different.



    Marble Insanity | Marble Madness



    Marble Madness | Marble Insanity



    Marble Insanity | Marble Madness



    edit: Aha. Homage it is: "Our mission is to remake and expand the Arcade Classic

    "Marble Madness". We want to bring it to a whole new level with enhanced graphics and extended gameplay."
    In which case, it seems like a good job.



    I don't have too much of a problem with faithfully remaking games provided they have permission to do so (which I doubt). I do wonder who owns the copyright now though. Probably not Mark Cerny.



    I'm pretty sure Mark Incitti didn't have permission to infringe on Geometry Wars's copyright, at any rate ;)
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  • Teeth 16/08/2006

    Predictable response there Stu. Bizarre definitely do have a legal leg to stand on, as the game definitely is ripping Geometry Wars's copyright. The fact that you think Grid Wars 2 is derived from It's The Wooluf rather than Geometry Wars just goes to show us who the real idiot here is.



    The creator of Grid Wars 2 could have avoided all of this nonsense if he'd respected the copyright and made the game with different graphics. But then, where would his game be now? I think you see my point?



    The whole point of copyright is to further science and technology. It exists so that software such as Grid Wars 2 is forced to innovate, even if that amounts to adding new enemies and changing the graphics while keeping similar gameplay. However you look at it, Grid Wars 2 keeps too many elements from Geometry Wars to be considered different from the prior art. It's copyright infringement. The fact that the game plays slightly differently isn't enough to escape that fact. Nor is the fact that it's free. The copyright of the prior art should be respected, and the work itself used as inspiration rather than forming part of the new work.



    Grid Wars 2 was riding off its similarities to Geometry Wars, and got what it deserved.
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  • Teeth 16/08/2006

    While it's true that good gameplay will often come from evolving or tweaking ideas or gameplay created by other people (that is to say good gameplay can not always be completely original), there is a bare minimum of effort that I believe should be expected of a developer when engaging in such behaviour, which involves at the very least attempting not to infringe the copyright of the work that inspired their game. Reply 0
  • Teeth 16/08/2006

    geometry wars clones. Either for your own amusement or Bizarre's. Reply 0
  • Undercover: Operation Wintersun

  • Teeth 16/08/2006

    Undercover... Of Darkness!



    Am I right?
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  • No$GBA offers DS emulator

  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    Ah, the unkillable try-before-you-buy gambit.



    It's the way the news is presented more than the news itself, chavatar.
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  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    Well, I dare say if the BBC posted a link to a popular al-quaeda message board and a way to sign up to it, with a little disclaimer saying "please don't join the terrorists", then you might have a point. Reply 0
  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    Way to miss the point, moron. Reply 0
  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    Correct way to write an emulator article:



    1. link to emulator

    2. link to homebrew roms to run on it

    3. fail to mention commercial roms



    Incorrect way:



    see article
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  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    If you wanted to do your bit for the homebrew scene Paul, you should have linked to nds homebrew, although that's hardly news either. Reply 0
  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    Yes. It should be removed.



    or at least reworded to remove the commercial roms bit. or was that the news??? omg
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  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    I was replying to smelly, who couldn't see the point. Read my comments chupachups; I think it's clear I am not advocating piracy. Reply 0
  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    Yeah.



    "Nocash are claiming this as the first DS emulator running commercial ROMS, though that's already been countered by reports of successful emulation elsewhere. Either way, it's there if you want it."



    = "you can use it for piracy, by the way".



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  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    If you don't want to buy the console and don't want to buy the game.



    Potential savings = $$$. Don't be dumb.
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  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    There've been DS emus out for ages that could do ROMs. This a) is bullshit and b) serves piracy.



    Really delete article? (y/n)
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  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    vast majority will use this for piracy rather than homebrew. great work Reply 0
  • Will will follow in DS's footsteps

  • Teeth 15/08/2006

    wiiiill Reply 0
  • Shinobido: Way of the Ninja

  • Teeth 03/08/2006

    disc:



    WOTS = Great Super Awesome

    WOTS2 = Not so Great :(

    Samurai Western = Complete bag of cock shite

    Shinobido = Hopefully the humour and scope of WOTS except with ninjas, doesn't sound like it though



    My opinion on the matter :D
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  • Teeth 03/08/2006

    Acquire = Way Of The Samurai = sold Reply 0
  • Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories

  • Teeth 31/07/2006

    MMUK: not thinking of Phantom Brave there, are you? Reply 0
  • Red Steel

  • Teeth 30/07/2006

    If you don't post more succinctly people won't bother to read your posts and that's half the reason we all rip the shit out of you all the time. Some of your points are fine and makes sense but extracing them from your long-winded, offensive generalisation-filled posts is too much of a chore. Reply 0
  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    lol! Reply 0
  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    Somehow, I think if you can't learn to live with other people's opinions, like the possibility that someone might have found the n64 more fun than the ps1 for the games they owned, overall, then you may not be here much longer. Reply 0
  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    Fanboy, troll or both? You, the reader, may decide. Reply 0
  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    A fanboy or a troll is anyone who disagrees with smelly, either explicitly or indirectly. If the disagreement is quite great, then the person in question is amost certainly both (a "fanboy troll"). Reply 0
  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    Yes of course - this is only to be expected from the first wave of games though. Hopefully (or at least I hope that) the launch window titles don't dictate the gameplay of the rest of the lifecycle's games. It didn't for the DS, in my opinion.



    You can't sell a system to new people by offering them something subtle. You wouldn't expect to get most people interested in cinema by showing them Stalker followed by Koyaanisqatsi followed by The Enigma Of Kaspar Hauser. You, of course, would argue that such refined offerings have no value at all, preferring as you do your mainstream products. Unforunately for that argument, any market would soon bottom out if the mainstream was all that was allowed to get there. In any event, they need to demonstrate the principles of the system in macro before concentrating on the micro.
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  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    Yes, pretty dismal. These shots look current-gen, and I was expecting more from the Wii, although I'm sure future games will look much better (launch games are always pinch-of-salt affairs). We've all said it though, it's about the gameplay and if it has it then it has it.



    IMO it's an awful game concept anyway, and doesn't interest me in the slightest. I guess some people will love it, though.
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  • Rayman Raving Rabbids

  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    It looks like a herding game. Herdy Gerdy didn't do too well, did it? :I Reply 0
  • Chibi-Robo!

  • Teeth 29/07/2006

    I think you'd have done better reviewing the game and leaving JT out of it. The JT stuff amounts to half of the review and contributes nothing to it, while other points relating to the game are left out. After all, this is just the sort of game that he'd applaud IMO.



    Still, kudos for reviewing such a quad-awesome game. I'm playing it at the moment and this one is quickly ascending to the ranks of my most favourite ever games.
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  • The Sims 2: Pets

  • Teeth 28/07/2006

    die, hahahaha, diiiieeeee ahahhaahahahahaaaaa Reply 0
  • Dead Rising - Webisode 2

  • Teeth 28/07/2006

    Are these just snippets of the start of the game? cos I'd rather just play it... Reply 0
  • Daxter dev's new PSP game

  • Teeth 28/07/2006

    Sometimes they have fake weak spots - maybe you got fooled? The belly is usually one of those. Reply 0
  • Galaga

  • Teeth 27/07/2006

    He'd better be normal, he's coming to the meet :o Reply 0
  • Splinter Cell: Double Agent

  • Teeth 27/07/2006

    Great captions. Reply 0
  • Motor Storm

  • Teeth 27/07/2006

    Well, they have added a lot of effects. The gameplay looks the same. I also don't think much of the dust particle effects, even though they do a good job of creating the required atmosphere and look good from a driver's perspective. It could be fun to play because of its atmosphere alone but I was expecting better track deformation. Reply 0