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The double-dip dilemma. Should you buy the PS4 version if you already own it on PS3?
"I hate kickstarter because it's become somewhere rich devs go to get projects paid for. It should not be used this way, it should be for devs/people to get funded when they have no where else to go to get their chance."
"That's a good point, but I'm not sure that it is up to backers to have to swallow it. Backers can see when a target has been reached - if they continue to contribute, they do so knowing this."
"I've always wondered about a kickstarted game's revenue generation post launch. If the majority of your buyers have ponied up as part of the fundraise, you've got to keep some in hand for after you finish, no? That alone would necessitate a stretch-goal-freeze at some point, IMHO."
"The project I'm worried about atm is the biggest one out there, Star Citizen. If this one project crashes and burns it will be the end of crowd funding. "
"I guess that is the issue with software, there is no real variable cost to development. As such I don't think developers should feel too bad to pocket the extra funds they raise."
"I guess when you have enough disposable income / insanity to back "over 60 projects" on Kickstarter, it doesn't seem too much of a biggie when a crooked dev runs off with your cash. Cool."
You've backed 60+ projects ? =o
If that's just from the last 2 years (when Kickstarter became a thing) that's as many or more projects than there are real big studio developed games per year.
I have to wonder what kinda satisfaction-rate you're getting out of that.
"How much sympathy would anyone have for some chump on Watchdog who'd paid a builder $35k up front and then never seen them again? Not a lot! That's not naivety, it's criminal negligence."
"I invest my money in a promissing project that I would like to see delivered BUT if the project is NOT delivered beware and be prepared to pay me (and every other backer) back!"
"Clowns, and this is why these clowns don't get my money.
Deliver, and I'll pay a premium price when I'm impressed - otherwise fuck off.
"This is why I don't kick start, early access or founders edition, money up front just isn't a good idea."
"I don't think it's really on for you to give a link to their website which asks for donations when it's such an obvious scam..."
"I have the perfect term for it; MUG PUNTERS!
Now try telling me that's not true because it certainly was in this case."
"EDIT: On your point about buying a car this isn't really that. With your example you pay the money when you collect the car and anything afterwards is your responsibility. You already have your "reward". No reputable motoring magazine or website would publish an advert saying "send money now and you'll get a car later." The magazine / website says your legally entitled to said car but if you don't get it don't involve them it's between you and the buyer even though they pocketted 5% of all the money. That would really puss people off! Nobody would (hopefully) be stupid enough to do that yet Kickstarter is the same thing and it's considered ok."
"Let be clear I'm not saying Kickstarter are legally obliged to refund backers. They're not. I'm saying it's morally reprehensible that they can just take their money and shrug their shoulders and what's worse is that people have no issue with it."
"This artist thing makes no sense - you wouldn't need a provision in the contract about the artist working for another company! Even if you have no experience with contracts a basic one would be we pay you £35k and you make the art for our game. If the artist can no longer fulfil his part of the deal because he gained employment elsewhere then he would at least need to repay the money!"
"Despite what people say Kickstarter IS actually closer to a pre-order system than an investment platform with one big difference to pre-ordering from a retail outlet: if you never receive what you were promised you have no recourse!"
you like a fiddle