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  • Student-made Ukip parody game upsets Nigel Farage

  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @zzkj

    I'm all for dissolving the idea of regional consituencies with FPTP and moving to a purely proportional system. That should please anyone who gives a fuck about democracy.

    Watch it not happen, ever.
    Yup. That ship sailed with the referendum the tories hobbled. It won't be seen again in my lifetime.

    It's odd that we spend so much time fighting wars to bring democracy to the world, and we can't manage to bring it to ourselves.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @harington

    I'm going to guess I'm null.

    I sympathise with their lack of resources, I applaud their measures to tackle the bigotry in their midst, but the fact still remains that people don't think ukip is racist because of its policies, they think it is racist because of the production line of loud mouthed, frothing racists that keep popping up at every turn.

    That's also why they have the media's complete and total attention. It's entirely self inflicted.

    So you can point people to their policies all you like, it won't make a bit of difference until Farage can go a week or two without playing wack-a-mole.

    You can't seriously think the only reason ukip are in the news all the time and the Greens aren't is media bias? I think it might also be down to them not saying scandalously newsworthy things quite so often...
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @harington

    To be fair, it's not ukip's policies that makes me think they're racist.

    It's the racists.
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  • Elite: Dangerous review

  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @georgrauh

    hat happens once you ground enough credits going from A to B to get "the best" ship and weapons etc...are you then still also enjoying going from A to B for hours on end even if it's entirely pointless?
    I find that an interesting comment as that is exactly what my friend did in the original Elite, and exactly what I didn't do because I couldn't see the point.

    Is there really even less reason to explore in ED than there was 30 years ago? :/
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @ollieclark

    Thank you to you too! X55 definitely the early front runner.

    If only people sold them in actual shops. Mail order by xmas ain't happening now.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @the_rydster

    I'm guessing you're not a backer then?

    If You Canít See the Sucker, Youíre It.
    Well, that explains why you're on such a desperate look-out for people you can label suckers, if nothing else.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @Leben

    Couldn't agree more. Frankly, I'd be more worried if they were claiming to be nearly finished after just 2 years.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @Lancezh

    Thanks! That looks...badass.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @the_rydster

    I don't understand your attitude at all. I'm a backer. I'm perfectly happy with the progress I'm seeing. I don't doubt we'll get a game. I can see them making one. A bloody enormous one, yes, but it's definitely there.

    Are you a disgruntled backer? You don't think what you're seeing looks like a good return on your investment?

    Or are you a completely uninvolved 3rd party with an axe to grind?
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    As a backer, I should probably get round to playing this now. I wanted to wait until my first experience was as good as it could possibly be.

    Recommendations for flight sticks?

    Should Oculus Rift be considered mandatory?
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  • Xbox One vs PlayStation 4: Year One

  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @chuck_bone

    My point is that, rather than me not being able to cope with the quirks of PC ownership, I havent got the time or patience to have to deal with it.
    But as I say, I don't really see how having something you don't need is a bad thing vs. not having it at all. Fiddly mods or no mods? Fiddly mods, please.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @chuck_bone

    Again, I don't disagree with your entirely sensible decisions, but I find your reasoning a little unrepresentative, of my experience at least.

    That is until I have to buy a new graphics card to take advantage of the latest games, or a new CPU, or stick in more memory.
    And you're not anticipating ever buying a new console? I'm looking at the lifespan of both products. The PC arms race kind of went out lumberjack shirts. I went nearly 5 years between gfx cards last time round, making the rest nearly 7 years old. Runs everything I throw at it just fine.

    I cant fathom why your PS3 would be throwing up errors more frequently than a PC would
    Me neither! It's not like the error code is ever going to tell me anything! ;D

    Ultimately it's down to the fact that my PC rarely, if ever, throws out any sort of error playing mainstream stuff. I have to kind of wonder what you're doing to your PC!

    I bought Mass Effect 3 via Origin,
    Lol. Oh, dear. That was probably a mistake. Early adoption meets bad port. I can sympathise. I bought Skyrim on PS3!

    These are just poor consumer decisions. The difference is that Batman on PC was broken, but you fixed it. Skyrim on PS3 is just broken. It will always be broken now. Forever. On PC, Skyrim is only going to keep getting better, year on year. That's a pretty awesome thing.

    I know I'm giving extreme examples, but this is not atypical.
    No, but it sounds a bit like you're getting out of your depth when it comes to Minecraft and mods. If you're an inexperienced user, stick to the shallows. The existence of depths is an advantage, not a disadvantage. Mods being a bit of work to install is unarguably much better than the console alternative - no mods.

    As I keep saying, I don't at all disagree with your decision - it seems to entirely fit your usage, home layout, family situation - everything. However a lot of the things you keep posting as PC gaming negatives are either not true any more, no worse than on console, or actually massive pluses.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @chuck_bone

    Yes, it would take YEARS to save the difference, and yet save the difference you would.

    Console gaming is undeniably simpler, but the complexity of PC gaming is massively over blown. At least when it farts up an error, you can troubleshoot it. Type it into google, do what it says, fixed.

    When my PS3 farts up an error - something which happens just as much, if not more frequently - my only option usually is to wait a couple of weeks in the hope that someone else will fix it. I'm sick to death of that crap. Just give me the keys.

    Anyway, you've chosen a perfectly valid entertainment configuration. People are only replying because a few of your 5 points aren't entirely valid, not because consoles don't have an entirely legitimate place in the world.

    Personally, I couldn't go back to a closed system now. The simplicity comes at too high a cost in terms of both versatility and cashmoney.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @g4r37h

    can't help but feel you're complaining here about the state of affairs that exists, has existed and probably will exist for every hardware transition.
    Well said. Innovation comes when developers really start to get to grips with the hardware, not during the first forays. It always has, it probably always will.
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  • PlugMonkey 22/12/2014

    @chuck_bone

    Likewise, cost is also a factor - why would I want to spend another £500-£1000 on a PC just to stick under the telly for such scenarios?
    Well, if you've already got a PS4, you wouldn't. If you were still deciding though and you bought a few games a year, you'd save money getting the PC in the long run.

    And you'd have a media box hooked up to the TV that runs every service, rather than some of them.

    And the computer that you'd buy the Mrs to do the xmas shopping on could cost a heck of a lot less than the £350 you spent on the PS4.
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  • Controversial mass murdering game Hatred appears on Steam Greenlight

  • PlugMonkey 18/12/2014

    @_tangent

    I'm genuinely surprised so many people don't get this. Look, either you believe in free speech or you don't; you are de-facto in the latter group if you only defend it when people are saying things you agree with or like.
    I can defend the rights of people I disagree with and yet still disagree with them. Watch:

    I support the dev's right to make this game, but I don't think they should make it. I support Steam's right to sell this game, but I don't think they should sell it. And I support your right to buy this game, but I don't think you should buy it.

    I think this game is a cynical attempt to make money by deliberately being as unpleasant as possible. I find that pretty dickish, so I don't want to buy it. And that's not censorship.

    Doug Lombardi agrees with me, and so he doesn't want to sell it. That's not censorship either.

    Those are the moral choices. The "moral" thing to do isn't to ban it, it's to not buy it, to not sell it and to not make it in the first place. It's to not exercise those rights that I fervently support everyone having.

    Isn't that ultimately what being a grown-up is? To have all these rights, and then choose which to exercise based on some sort of internal morality or external consideration for others?
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @arcam

    LOL! So true...
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @arcam

    Fox don't report on outrage though, they report on anything their audience will be outraged by. We-he-hell! They'll love this!

    If we all keep really, really quiet maybe this will pass them by - until the devs flat out tell them themselves, because that was the whole point all along.

    yes, it's a cynical ploy. No, it shouldn't work. Yes, it will work. No, the overall effect will not be to the benefit of gaming at large.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    The people who suffer the collateral damage from the shitstorm Fox News create over this game?

    Let's just say it will not be to the benefit of video gaming as a medium or a pastime. Hence, I care.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @arcam

    No, it will be media like Fox News that create it - because that's what pays their wages - and if the devs don't keep rubbing their nose in it until they do, then I'd wonder why the hell they made it in the first place?

    I'd stop giving promotion myself, but I'm worried that will be branded censorship... ;P
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    I'm NOT saying it is wrong, I'm saying look at that gif, step back and imagine what the Fox News report will be like.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @_tangent

    There is less censorship now that at any time in living memory.

    These 'SJWs' clamping down on everything? They don't exist. Consequently, the people fighting against them worry me.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @arcam

    You're right, but the point is I don't think the devs are going to go "Ah, well, we tried but plugmonkey wouldn't play ball". They're going to keep pushing until they get a shitstorm, because what they want is a shitstorm.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    You need to step back and forget everything you know about video games.

    I'm not AT ANY POINT trying to convince you to be offended (and I'm frankly offended you think I am).

    There will still be offense, because that is the developers stated goal.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @arcam

    You don't think the devs will push it into the mainstream media channels? It's a major failing of their PR if they don't.

    Controversy is the whole point of the game. That's their big ticket to riches. You think they're going to pass that up and let the whole thing slip quietly by?

    Seems like a waste...
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    It's not been done this graphically. Not ever. I know you don't see the difference, and you're right that it is all fiction and pixels, but trust me, others will not look with your eyes.

    Postal looked like this:



    Fox News can now run this:



    and say: "That's not out of context. That's the game." And it can't be defended on any grounds other than "Yup, that's what we're into. But it's just pixels!"

    It will create an apocalyptic shitstorm, and that may very well cause collateral damage. Like Postal did, only bigger.

    Those guys need to add a female protagonist. :lol:
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @_tangent

    It's unnerving that some people feel a sense of victory when a company like valve pulls a product from the virtual shelves because some people find it offensive.
    Yes, that is unnerving.

    It's equally unnerving to me that it would appear even more people feel a sense of victory from it being put back.

    It's unnerving because the conflict doesn't really exist. There are no agendas and no ongoing, lengthy campaigns to drive them.

    A controversial game, designed specifically to create controversy, has divided opinion - that being what a controversy is. Valve have then uncomfortably straddled the fence between two equally valid positions - deciding it's not for them (it violates their Ts+Cs), and deciding it's not up to them to decide (it's a user curated service).

    I see no victories anywhere. Some stuff happened. Some normal, everyday stuff. There'll be more tomorrow and it'll no doubt also be construed as some further cog in the massive conspiracy.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    The British WW2 war films were really about making people feel we were winning more than changing views.
    And that all Nazis are 100% evil and may be killed without any moral consequence, resulting in Nazis taking over from Native Americans as the guilt free matinee cannon fodder of choice.

    Something that is still in full swing today. BJ Blaskowicz and Captain America have got all conflicted and nuanced, but the Nazis are still just one dimensional 'baddies'.

    I can see how your approach to this game is kind of in reaction to that - they should all be the same. I'm not sure them all being one dimensional cannon fodder is the direction I personally want to take it though.

    Ah! That's the safety net! Yes, I'm happier pretending to kill Nazis to save the world than I am pretending to kill housewives to destroy it. Is that unhealthy?

    You're happy doing both because you don't pretend to be doing either? They're both identical lies. Is that fair?
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @Liquid--Leeroy

    You have the right not to like something, you absolutely do not have the right to deprive others of the things you don't like.
    Lol. I still don't get this. At the height of the 'outrage' of the 'morality police', this game had been 'censored' to the point of a complete, unexpurgated copy shortly being made available to everybody in the entire world.

    If you don't like something, don't fucking buy it.
    Er, yes. Or sell it. Don't ban it, just don't sell it. If the morality police police are comfortable with that?
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    I think propaganda is part of this debate for the simple reason that if entertainment didn't affect people or alter their perception of reality, then it couldn't be used for propaganda. The fact that it can proves, to me at least, that it does.

    Whether it does or not doesn't really matter in your case, mind you. Your healthy policy of 'disbelieve everything' works just fine for both cases.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @TekMerc

    I disagree. I think all games are art. Even this one.

    I don't know what else they could be. They have no practical purpose after all.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    And this is specifically where we differ.

    Propaganda is something quite different to entertainment media (although entertainment media can be a tool of it as we see with all the war films of WW2). That's really a different debate though.
    It's not. It's the same debate. If you can manipulate a medium to have a particular effect, then it's already having an effect to begin with. You're harnessing it with propaganda, not creating it.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    In terms of fiction no. My life and views are based in the real world thankfully.
    I've been struggling all along to work out your headspace, but I think I get it now.

    I don't personally believe this is possible, I think a culture and it's fiction are inseparable, but your approach to art makes perfect sense to me now. I thank you for your indulgence.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    Certainly I can say a work of fiction has never affected me in any way other than enjoyment.
    You've never read a book or seen a film that has completely changed your outlook on things? That's...sad. Everyone should read at least one book that changes their life.

    Fiction is simply a vehicle for ideas, and to say ideas can't have an impact is crazy. You really think you'd be exactly the same you if you'd grown up surrounded by another culture's fiction? Where do you think you get, well, everything?
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    Are you saying you sometimes think videogames feel real?
    No, of course not. I'm immersing myself in a fantasy. There are some fantasies I don't want to immerse myself in. That doesn't mean I can't tell fantasy from reality.

    Playing a game like this by ignoring the fantasy I understand, but it seems like a shallow experience compared to playing the same experience combined with a fantasy you do immerse yourself in.

    Wanting to immerse yourself in this fantasy, well, that I don't get tbh, but it takes all sorts.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @the_rydster

    I doubt Gabe is desperate for the few dollars this game might make, he's a rich dude already.
    The weird thing about rich dudes is they rarely pass up an opportunity to make money. I can think of several that famously go ballistic at even the tiniest wastage. This is how they end up being rich dudes in the first place.

    I used to think Gabe was different, these days I'm not so sure.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    The only thing I'm struggling with is your point of view, which is why I'm pushing extremes to find the limits. This isn't a contest that is going to have a winner. The only goal is an expanded understanding.

    Essentially what you seem to be saying is that you are never immersed in a game, so the context is irrelevant. Your disbelief is never suspended, so the pixels are always just pixels. Which is an entirely logical and consistent position, but seems like a shallow experience to me.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @_tangent

    It's a bit unfair to Gabe to assume greed is the motivating factor.
    Yes it is. It's also a bit naive to assume the motivating factor is anything higher.

    I lost a lot of respect for Gabe over the whole Win8 propaganda thing. I'm now less inclined to believe his motives in anything to be entirely altruistic.

    The most marked thing for me about the SJW moral outrage campaign is that it exists almost entirely in the heads of the people who created the term. There are far more Social Justice Warrior Warriors than Social Justice Warriors for them to fight.

    Edit: Instead of negging me, point out some moral outrage on this thread. I, in turn, will point out some moral outrage outrage. We'll see who runs out first.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    So to you there's no difference between:

    Killing monsters.
    Killing people.
    Torturing people.

    They're all the same?

    I can see how it is possible to detach yourself to the point that they are the same - they are all just games after all - but I don't think that makes them the same.

    This game and Zelda aren't the same. The tone and context make the violence very different.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    It is a bit far fetched. I'm not about to believe that Gabe stepped in solely in the defence are art either though...
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    Fair enough. You really don't see the difference in tone between this and Saints Row though?

    I agree it should be sold, in former agreement with Valve I just wouldn't publish it myself. I wouldn't produce a Saw movie either. I have that right. Valve have that right. They have this right too. None of it is censorship.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @Dajji77

    Lol indeed. I'll be interested to hear this.

    Publicity stunt? I wouldn't put it past Gabe.

    I still wouldn't publish it, personally. Unlike Gabe, I guess I've got enough money already...
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @nectaris

    It's not the gore, it's the suffering. That game, the zombie anatomy one, features no suffering as far as I can tell.

    Suffering and gore are two very different things. Even the BBFC recognise that. Gore won't necessarily even get you an 18 rating, but dwelling on suffering and injury absolutely always will.
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  • PlugMonkey 17/12/2014

    @bad09

    It's been funny watching people who enjoy violent video games claim this one is somehow wrong because the story does make him a goodie or the context isn't good enough for them to make them feel better about their virtual mass murder. Some humans are funny animals....
    You genuinely don't think the tone of this game is somewhat different?

    Will you be getting it?

    Will you do what Steam won't and put your name behind it in, say, a short YouTube promo? Just you, your real name, and why you think Hatred is a really neat idea?

    I'm with Valve, personally. If I owned a publishing company, I wouldn't put my money and name behind this game. I wonder how many of the people bleating about censorship would?

    Edit: Lol. Well, I'm not with Valve anymore, obv.
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  • PlugMonkey 16/12/2014

    @SanFran51

    Ed Byrne used to to a routine about the term 'Liberal Intellectual', pointing out it's essentially a compliment. After all, what's the alternative? To be another mean, stupid person?

    SJW is very similar. ;)
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  • PlugMonkey 16/12/2014

    @I_D_D_Q_D

    It's not a ridiculous question at all because highly pornographic games do exist, it's just that Steam chooses not to sell them - just like it chooses not to sell this. Ridiculous? It's identical!

    I think they should have every right to choose not to sell them. We have a right to choose what games we play, and Steam has a right to choose what games it sells.

    Those rights exist independently and don't infringe each other one iota. Your ability to play this game remains 100% intact.
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  • PlugMonkey 16/12/2014

    @I_D_D_Q_D

    Genuine question: Do you also think that Steam should sell porn, and them choosing not to is an appalling act of censorship?
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  • PlugMonkey 16/12/2014

    @spatuluk

    'Mass murdering' game?
    Lol. Sorry, what should people be calling it? It quite literally is a mass murdering game.

    It's about a mass murderer, murdering people en masse.

    You'd prefer "genocide crusade" game?
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  • PlugMonkey 16/12/2014

    @the_rydster

    Well, no, "fan" is entirely the wrong word. (As well you know).

    Steam is in the business of only selling games that don't contain "inappropriate or offensive content" - an entirely subjective measure.

    Or, to put it another way, a matter of taste.
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  • PlugMonkey 16/12/2014

    @mecha-B

    And Valve/Steam aren't just like a high street shop. They're like all the shops combined.
    No, they're like the biggest of the shops. An online Walmart.

    There are other online shops - I've bought things from several in the last year. The main difference being that unlike with physical shops, the alternatives are a click away rather than a hundred mile drive.
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