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  • Xbox 360 at 10: The touching dreams of Lost Odyssey

  • GreyBeard 25/11/2015

    The text passages in LO were pretty good, but they were clumsily inserted into and only tangentially relevant to a main storyline that was frankly, utter crap.

    Nier (also on 360) did it all immeasurably better. The text was just as manipulatively emotional but was at least somewhat artful and sparing with the schmaltz, whereas LO basically beats you over the head with it. More importantly it was much more smoothly integrated into the overall narrative.
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  • Watch: Are we getting tired of re-releases?

  • GreyBeard 23/11/2015

    Tell you what, I'm tired of whiny op-ed shite like this on sites that fail to cover half the titles released in any given week of the year. Reply 0
  • SXSW adds Online Harassment Summit after canceling panels due to threats

  • GreyBeard 15/11/2015

    What never fails to piss me off about this shit is that it conflates abuse on the internet with abuse in games/gaming. Just because a phenomenon occurs at a certain venue or within a particular arena, it does NOT follow that there's a causal link between the two. Its like blaming football for encouraging racism, when its just some nuggets spectating in the stands that are the real culprits,

    Look at the list of speakers and you'll see how little this has directly to do with games and gaming. The only developer is Brianna Wu - an utter nobody within gaming who's profile is almost entirely due to her victimhood.

    Imposing progressive politics onto gaming is not going to "clean up" the internet! Its transparently obvious, and yet this ludicrous charade rolls on and on...
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  • Zoe Quinn's memoir Crash Override picked up by Ghostbusters reboot producer

  • GreyBeard 07/11/2015

    Its kind of a shame that there really is a truly fascinating story here, because its so rawly emotional and mired in polarized rhetoric that right now any sort of "real talk" is impossible. Reply +5
  • Rich Stanton on: From Billions to Bedrooms

  • GreyBeard 31/10/2015


    Heh, Tommy was a quite a bit more than a "local businessman"! Not sure how insulated SP was from his other interests, but yeah...

    We might have bumped into each other at some point, I didn't get my first job til '86 ish so I came in just as things were starting to settle down a bit. Was still pretty wild and woolly though, I think at that point the scuttlebutt was that JSW was only finished by Tommy locking him up in a room with a load of speed and steak and kidney pies :D

    Probably apocryphal, but its a funny story.

    Actually I only met Matt on the way out of RCL around 2000ish. Shame he couldn't make it work out, but in Hooley's house of fun (now there's another character and a half), who knows!
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  • GreyBeard 31/10/2015

    It wasn't the "bloodsuckers" that ultimately were the problem, it was Sega and Nintendo and their cartridge-based systems replacing the Amiga, Atari ST, etc. As the platforms of choice. As the documentary explains, procuring x quantity of tapes or floppy discs is a whole lot less expensive than ordering a run of carts.

    From a coding standpoint it didn't seem so bad at all. Going to the 65816 in the SNES wasn't bad at all if you competent in 65x0 assembler, and switching from the Amiga to the Megadrive was a doddle given both shared the same 680x0 CPU. Not to mention that the console's VDP (display) hardware was a whole lot more straightforward than the miggy's battery of custom-chips.

    Happy days.


    Tragic what happened with Matthew Smith, but thankfully I can't say I recall any other casualties of that time. Mind you, off-hand I can't think of too many bosses like Tommy Barton...
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  • Nier's sequel will have all the weirdness of the original, plus a little more polish

  • GreyBeard 29/10/2015

    Funnily enough Nier started out as a 360 exclusive, one of the reasons it took so long to eventually launch was that Cavia had to shift to PS3 and 360 during development.

    So you never know.
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  • GreyBeard 29/10/2015

    What a shame about the random DLC endings! That's so Yoko-san... The troll-king of Japanese gaming.

    I guess he's probably just going to revert to his standard MO of multiple bad-endings, with each sucessive one being more depressing than the last culminating in final FU to the player.
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  • SXSW considers harassment conference after pulling game panels over threats of violence

  • GreyBeard 29/10/2015

    Its all bullshit. All of it.

    It doesn't matter which "side" people are allegedly on, its just a loose coalition of bad actors which can be divided neatly into two categories.

    Cat 1: The gullible. These are people who actually believe this overblown troll-fest is actually about something.

    Cat 2: The shysters. These fuckers know the score but are using it to push their political agendas and to make money/increase their profile.

    The only person I have a shred of sympathy for in all this is poor Zoe Quinn, who might not be a particularly great person, but unequivocally didn't deserve having her private business splashed all over the net by a cunty ex-boyfriend, and kickstarting this whole fiasco off when a variety of douchebags decided to jump in and use it as a vehicle for their vicious "entertainment" and/or their political goals.

    Consider how none of the significant figures involved in this mess had any sort of profile whatsoever before this all kicked off. Marginal at best, most of them complete non-entities outside their little fringe circles.

    Who gave a fuck about Breitbart? How about Brianna Wu? Arthur Chu was a fucking game-show CONTESTANT and sometime blogger... Hell even now I struggle to put a name to any quasi noteworthy pro-GG figure other than the Breitbart dude. Kinda shows how serious a movement that is :D

    This whole thing is like an itchy and scratchy cartoon of American politics (which is enough of a circus as it is!) where the lunatic left and right have decided to have a knock-down drag-out battle royale.

    Its demagogues shouting slogans at each other, whilst dickheads of varying levels of tech savvy send abusive tweets or try and dox each other.

    The way I see it its basically come about largely as a byproduct of the incredibly polarized state of politics in Obama's America. A society of Tea Partiers and "truthers" cannot coexist with hardline Progressives and PC champions. Neither side is interested in compromise and of course on the internet, EVERYTHING IS TURNED UP TO 11.

    Which is great for bloggers and those involved in monetizing internet conflict as you've got a volatile political background and a large mass of largely uneducated and unsophisticated footsoldiers to use as cannon-fodder. There is no barrier of entry to this "debate", any idiot can contribute and there's never going to be a shortage of other idiots to react to that contribution and...

    ...Oh my, how the clicks roll in!
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  • GreyBeard 28/10/2015


    Who would want DDOS Xbox live and PSN into the ground over Christmas?

    Sad fact:

    There's no shortage of attention-seeking idiots and yahoos on the internet.

    Capitulating to them is just enabling more of the same because it validates the notion that sitting behind a monitor firing off anonymous threats and abuse is an effective strategy.

    The funny part is that these random losers are being treated like the next "reds under the bed" bogeyman! Watch out, the Gator's are coming for you!

    What a crock of shit! Its all smoke and no fire, even by internet standards.
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  • Digital Foundry vs console texture filtering

  • GreyBeard 27/10/2015


    You know, having had a reasonable chat with you was actually inclining me to maybe soften my attitude... but lo and behold up pop ironSoldier and fmv_gamer with posts that remind me why they deserve every bit of abuse I hand out to them.

    I mean seriously, it just snotty, condescending, ignorant bullshit from these clowns 24/7. And they wonder where the master race comments come from...

    Yikes, add chronic lack of self-awareness to their laundry list of mental defects.
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  • GreyBeard 26/10/2015


    Allow me to answer that.

    First and foremost, it shouldn't be a contest. If you like a game, it shouldn't really matter what platform you played it on, especially if its identical in terms of content.

    Technical minutia shouldn't enter into it, not just because its a relatively minor and often cosmetic aspect, but primarily because its inevitable that the shiniest example of whatever year's vintage is going to look dated as technology improves over time.

    If you go down the technological supremacism route, and start summarily discarding stuff because its "not up to your standards" you are pissing on the history of gaming. And that's a disrespect I'm not going to take lying down.

    What these philistine idiots don't grasp is what offends me is the premise of their argument, and nothing to do with platform wars.
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  • GreyBeard 26/10/2015


    Heh, its more an occasional distraction for me. I don't treat posting on here as a full-time job like some of these jackasses do.

    I mean seriously, have you checked their post counts? Makes you wonder how they find time to actually, you know, play games!

    Bottom line for me is that I'm always honest about my opinions, and I don't hide behind chickenshit tactics like passive aggression.

    I'd actually prefer a pleasant, polite, exchange of views, but you can't really do that when people are inured in platform supremacism.
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  • GreyBeard 26/10/2015


    What they play on is immaterial to me. I don't judge people based on their platform of choice, that's their thing!

    I give them stick because of how they act and express themselves. They are just giant fucking douchebags and I take no small amount of pleasure in finding new and creative ways to express my disdain for them. :D
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  • GreyBeard 26/10/2015


    Take it from me, reasoning with our resident master-racers is pointless. They can only see things from their own peculiar "bubble" perspective.

    They are always going to think that you're jealous of their platform's "superior" performance because they just cannot comprehend that anyone genuinely couldn't care less about it.

    If you call them out on their relentless douchebaggery, its not you as an individual giving them stick for being annoying dicks, you must be part of a clique of "console warriors" opposing the glorious master race and thus guilty of anything anyone in that nebulous group has said or done.

    Reason is wasted on the unreasonable and wilfully stupid. Flame on.
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  • GreyBeard 24/10/2015


    Well unless "everything" is at an oblique angle to the camera I think you're confusing AA with AF.

    But hey, why trouble yourself with actually knowing what AF is before shooting your mouth off :D

    But anyway, let's get down to the nitty gritty:

    What you don't seem to grasp is that your bogus "higher standards" actually serve no purpose.

    Saying you can only enjoy a game with pristine visuals is not something you should brag about! I mean you're the fool who is marking these arbitrary boundaries for what is and what is not "fun", and snottily dismissing anything that falls outside of them.

    To what end exactly? Its not like you can demonstrate that there's any benefit to it.

    Essentially you make a rock for your own back and then bitch about the rest of us for having the temerity to not share your delusion.

    We're not as discerning as you are... Hah! Fun is fun, and you can't quantify it with the bullshit metrics you love so much.

    To the rest of us, outside of your deluded little bubble, looking in this is what we see:

    A circle-jerk of sad anoraks who have completely lost the plot. Fapping away furiously over spec-sheets and "technical analyses" whilst ignoring what's on their jizz festooned screens!

    They don't play games anymore, they are too busy jacking it over the numbers.


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  • GreyBeard 24/10/2015



    This is nothing to do with valuing the play experience, its top-trumps for the insecure and mentally deficient.

    I love games and gaming, which is why I give no quarter to graphics-whores and platform warriors.
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  • GreyBeard 24/10/2015


    Oh I see, you double-posted because you have the short-term memory of a goldfish and thus forgot to whom you were replying.

    Well, that's me told!

    "games that don't have settings to higher it" (AF) are ruined eh ... Sooo, every game ever that isn't on PC doesn't reach your standards... Mmm-kay!

    Why, that doesn't sound like typical fanboy idiocy at all does it!

    And people wonder why ripping on "master racers" is not only easy, but rewarding and fun!
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  • GreyBeard 24/10/2015


    Child please...

    Like AF level is anywhere close to as visually significant as moving from SD to HD video formats.

    Feeble. 1/10. Try harder.

    But hey, I guess that's to be expected from somebody who lacks the mental acuity to use the edit button to amend their posts and instead sends consecutive replies to the same person.

    Learn to internet you dribbling cretin.
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  • GreyBeard 24/10/2015


    Nobody in the real world cares because they play games for entertainment, this sort of anal-retentive nitpickery never crosses their minds.

    The biggest laugh is of course the way that DF dresses up this clickbait for anoraks with junk science.

    I mean come on, the "sciency" bit here involves flicking some sliders up and down on an couple of PC-games and noting the frame-rate differences. They then extrapolate this onto systems with significantly different bespoke hardware setups...

    Wow! My mind is fucking blown! I mean c'mon, you can't fail to see this snake-oil bullshit for what it is?
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  • GreyBeard 24/10/2015

    Nobody gives a fuck about AF.

    Its a cosmetic detail that has absolutely zero effect on gameplay, and a terminology that the vast majority of users will neither understand nor care to understand.

    Getting your panties in a bunch over this is pathetic. Of course first-in-line are the usual PC-saddos who are desperate to prove that all the cash they've ploughed into their bloated "rigs" (LOL, you so manly) was not in fact a complete waste of time and money, despite the end-result being them playing the exact same stuff as the console-plebs...

    OF course it *has* to matter... keep telling yourself that you mugs.
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  • Sony reaffirms lack of triple-A PlayStation Vita development

  • GreyBeard 23/10/2015

    Very few people are willing to pay AAA prices for mobile software anymore. Its just no longer economically viable as a business strategy.

    Nintendo gets away with it because they have a large number of self-owned bluechip properties and have always been technologically conservative thus keeping opportunity cost down. And even they have absolutely minimal third-party support compared to years gone by. Particularly from Western devs.
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  • Remaining Batman Arkham Knight Season Pass content revealed

  • GreyBeard 16/10/2015


    If everyone was a cheap cunt like you george, there'd be no games getting made in the first place.

    So you should be on your knees thankful that some people are subsidizing your parasitic arse.
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  • Konami apologises for Metal Gear Online's poor launch stability

  • GreyBeard 15/10/2015


    Calm down dear, you sound like you're having a conniption!

    Try playing it online, evidently you're capable of it as you as wasting your time spewing your butthurt nonsense to an uncaring public on an online forum!

    Its really not as bad as you are making out. Honest dearie.
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  • GreyBeard 15/10/2015


    Why not login though? Because a few chicken-littles have made it their business to spread disinformation that if you don't login daily you'll find yourself robbed blind every time... which is of course utter bullshit.

    If it really bothers you that much, just decline the TOS every time. If you do it'll act like the online isn't there.
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  • GreyBeard 15/10/2015


    "A few hours" LOL.

    You can make 5m + inside an hour easily at any point once you have wormhole extract.

    And what exactly do you need all the GMP and resources for anyway? If you aren't pumping it all into FOB development and security upgrades?
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  • GreyBeard 15/10/2015


    That thread is moronic. Its entirely predicated on the terror of being invaded which (a) isn't that likely, (b) is easily recoverable from, and (c) opens up the attacker to massive retaliation from both their target and their supporters.
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  • The wolf in Snake's clothing: Metal Gear's twisted hero

  • GreyBeard 14/10/2015


    Check the bylines for the articles you reference. Different writers and hence different opinions.

    The "blatantly unfinished" paragraph is utter bollocks too.
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  • GreyBeard 14/10/2015

    MGSV is not "blatantly unfinished", what it is is an elliptical narrative. (Look it up.)

    Its amazing how easily and completely people have disregarded everything about the way the game is structured in deference to a couple of "chapter" captions.

    There's a giant clue in the way that "Chapter 3: Peace" is virtually unattainable, by design. There can be no peace because this is not the end of the saga, its actually the mid-point.
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  • Uncharted: Remastered, revisited, reassessed

  • GreyBeard 10/10/2015

    Its funny. 3 GOTY contenders including 2 heavy winners that really haven't been topped in their genre don't even merit a recommended in 2015 apparently. Not picking on Oli's review specifically because its far from the only sniffy one out there, but it really shows how fashion-driven most reviews are. Reply -2
  • Metal Gear Online needs major work

  • GreyBeard 09/10/2015


    "Disappointed" is fine, its a reasonable response when something turns out not to be what you wanted or expected.

    "Betrayed" suggests an over-emotional attachment to those expectations, such as when the person feeling that particular emotion is so far down the rabbit-hole of rabid fandom they've forgotten what the light of day looks like.

    Ergo. Fanboy Fucktard.

    The rest of my post was just a proactive dismissal of the usual "but its my opinion, and I'm a special snowflake, nyah" rebuttal that is boiler-plate for the internet.

    It's not good enough. All opinions are not created equal -as demonstrated by my examples- and the fact that your only response is to try and turn it around on me (showing presumption of this "equality" without proof or justification) just shows how weak your position and argument is.

    As I suggested in my rather (definitively non-passive) aggressive "pipe-bomb" post, go back and consider your choice of words if you want to come across as more than butthurt fanboy.
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  • GreyBeard 09/10/2015

    Anyone who feels "betrayed" by MGS5 is clearly just an inflamed fanboy fucktard who's opinion isn't worth shit. :D

    I know, I know, opinions and everyone's entitled to them and all that. But there's no shortage of opinions in the world we can safely file away under delusional and moronic - flat earthers, racial supremacists, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy wack-jobs, etc.

    Feeling betrayed by a piece of fiction, is on the "mostly harmless" side of that, especially when the work in question has been pretty much universally lauded as being the best playing game in its series.

    So yeah, your opinion -which you are entitled to hold- is worthless, and you really need to examine why you are talking such arrant nonsense.
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  • GreyBeard 08/10/2015


    No disrespect Aoife, but what online game/game component isn't flaky on its first day of service?

    Its pretty much a certainty that its not going to be representative of the experience a week, or a month in as the service beds in and players get more familiar with the system and its exploits.

    For better or worse, the redundancy of the day#1 experience is assured.

    And honestly, this is a free component of a game launched over a month ago, so rushing out an opinion is neither necessary nor helpful.
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  • GreyBeard 08/10/2015

    "Of course, it's worth bearing in mind that all this is all based on day-one impressions"

    So basically, its worthless.

    That the headline definitively states the game "needs work" is kinda ironic given how premature this article is!
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  • Metal Gear Solid 5 just got one of the craziest microtransactions yet

  • GreyBeard 07/10/2015


    Thanks. And you're absolutely right, the media mercenaries enabling this cretinous behaviour are even more despicable than the mewling, wailing, angry babies they've spawned.
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  • GreyBeard 07/10/2015

    Honestly, what's the worst possible outcome from not buying the insurance: You get to play the game you paid 50 for, for an hour or two extra to replace what you lost!

    The evil fuckers! ...

    Ummm, no no, its about them "not respecting the player's time"... Because games aren't meant to be enjoyable time wasters... or something.


    Complaining about this, and acting like its some kind of "extortion" or "consipracy" just makes you look like an idiot child.

    Its depressing that its now apparently the mode of the day for "gamers" to have the mindset of a stroppy 5 year old who MUST HAVE EVERYTHING OR THEY ARE GONNA' THROW A FIT.

    Newsflash: You don't need every bonus, every add-on, every microtransaction, in order to have a complete experience.

    Its actually fine to say: "I don't need that, but maybe if I had more money than I knew what to do with, it'd be nice to cut those corners or have those extra bells and whistles".

    But, oh no. The need to invent a retarded state of victimhood rules the day, and along comes the WAAAAAAHmbulance.
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  • New Consumer Rights Act puts gamers in the driving seat

  • GreyBeard 01/10/2015

    Its kind of a worrying thought, but what happens when a title's functionality gets broken due to the interference of a third party? DDOSing servers for example? Reply 0
  • Metal Gear Solid 5: The unfinished swan song

  • GreyBeard 23/09/2015


    I love that I've managed to attract a few committed haters that will downvote my posts regardless of their content.

    Every time I see it happen, I get a little tingle of satisfaction that my name alone spurs them into clicking a button. Feels like POWER (over numbskulls admittedly! But still)

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  • GreyBeard 22/09/2015

    Sorry, but I think #51 was scrapped because it involves killing off all the child soldiers, and either Kojima got cold feet or someone talked him out of it.

    The cs as we see it makes a big deal about Eli's (not-)death, but what of all the little African kids in this Lord Of The Flies homage? They can't be rescued because they are already infected by the Parasite, so what of their fate?

    Killed by the attacking XOF soldier? By the sanitization strike (note no mention of them being extracted in the cs), what?

    Bottom line; the material shown could easily have been finished up for additional DLC.
    Its clearly largely complete and could definitely be polished off without Kojima's involvement should the suits at Konami wish to make more $$$ from it.

    That they are basically junking all that work, and releasing it as a video on a bonus DVD tells me that they are abandoning it.

    Lets not forget Kojima does have a track record of screwing with his endings due to outside pressure: The Arsenal gear crash in MGS2 due to 9/11, Snake not heroically laying down his life at the end of MGS4... This, especially with his advance claim of taboo breaking, and it not being especially apparent in the rest of the game, suggests to me that the death of the Child Soldiers was supposed to be his big shockeroo that changes our perceptions of the heroic "venom".
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  • Video: Sony conference roundup - Tokyo Games Show 2015

  • GreyBeard 16/09/2015


    If you need to "follow a platform closely" in order to see why you should choose it, I'd say its got major problems.

    The 360 gen started well enough, but within a couple of years they just coasted on the same key franchises I mentioned and then later on the creative dead-end that was Kinect, which was where the rot really set in.

    The way this years latest helping of the same-old same-old is being hyped as being the bestest Xbox line-up ever just shows how shallow their IP line-up truly is, and has been for many years.

    Not that there's anything wrong with Halo, Gears and Forza (jury's out on Fable LOL), but why should this year's iterations pull people in when last years didn't? Or the year before that, and so on. They've been leaning on the same franchises for over a decade, its getting stale.
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  • GreyBeard 16/09/2015


    Oh please. Xbox is the same as its always been. Forza, Halo, Gears, Fable on an interminable conveyer belt.

    Side order of something from Remedy every 5 years or so, maybe the latest sad reminder that Rare simply hasn't been the same since splitting with Nintendo, and a smattering of indie titles.


    That what I just wrote is accurate for every year going back over a decade at Xbox speaks volumes.
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  • The making of Gears of War: Ultimate Edition

  • GreyBeard 12/09/2015

    Fucking hell! "Video analysis" or advert?

    Even for this site, that was brazen!
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  • Video: Hellblade has noble ambitions but it also has us worried

  • GreyBeard 10/09/2015

    Seems like people passing premature judgement based on limited information/footage to be honest.

    I'm sorry but to me its like tonally judging a movie based on its trailer. There are some things you can accurately "read", but some of the sweeping judgements made in this video just reek of pretentiousness. Dodgy combat, sure. Cliche art-direction maybe, but expecting some kind of insight into mental health issues from a video-game showreel/vslice... you've got to be joking.
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  • So, Mr Kojima, do we feel "ashamed" over Quiet?

  • GreyBeard 04/09/2015


    Actually in terms of explaining "harm" Aoife doesn't.

    She explains why a certain scene made her feel uncomfortable, which to me is fine in an 18 rated game.

    She relates an unpleasant real-life anecdote about a taxi-driver who frankly should be behind bars. Apropos of what though? I'm sure any former military service-person or victim of gun violence is just as likely to be "triggered" by one of the literally thousands of incidents of death and murder in the game. Does that make it inappropriate?

    My take-away from this passage was that its wholly subjective where the real "horror" lies. Aoife mentions that she was upset by the zoom into Quiet's "blue lips and deadened eyes", and yet passes over the "monumental dick-stabbing that follows" like that particular act has no particular impact or importance!

    This whole scenario is a work of fiction, and yet in terms of real-world relevance only one aspect is being singled out as being problematic.

    So, "forced exposure is the furthest thing from an empowering situation you can possibly get", but the threat of genital mutilation in revenge isn't at all aversive for would-be rapists/sexual aggressors?

    Which bring us to this:

    "But, in practice, making Quiet's strength in that context a weapon that is so often used against women just hurts."

    Which I guess, is the nub of the contended "harm". Yet I'm struggling to see how this relates. Is this a reference to the nauseous "she was asking for it" quasi-defence?

    I can't see it because in the context of the scene in question the attempted rape occurs while Quiet is at her least sexually provocatively attired - "prisoner garb - trousers and a shirt".

    Which is pretty much consistent with the actual psychology of sexual assault being often more about power, control and displaced revenge/aggression than sexual desire.

    Which kind of all leads back to the thorny issue of "objectification".

    In reality treating another as an object, without empathy or regard for their agency as a fellow human being is about far more than superficial appearance.

    Speech, demeanour, body language, how many competing signals is an (sexual) aggressor ignoring or responding to in a deliberately anti-social manner when they target someone?

    To me -and to wrap this up, as I've gone on far longer than I intended- its just another example of how psychologically ignorant most of these "pro-social" critiqes and programs are.

    Much like deliberately ignoring "triggering" situations is absolutely not how a person overcomes former traumas, true objectification comes not from simple observation of appearance

    Tits may draw a hetero-males attention like a kitten to ball of string, but it doesn't incite them to rape or treat a woman as a lesser being.

    Its far deeper than that, and in fact comes from deliberately ignoring everything else that makes their "object" an individual.

    Something that (ironically) is what a critic does by reducing Quiet as a fictional construct to just "a pair of tits".
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  • Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain review

  • GreyBeard 02/09/2015


    Congratulations on Godwinning the thread.

    Let's not forget this choice comment of yours:

    "and don't even allow you to have her covered up properly"

    Factually incorrect (see elsewhere), and as I pointed out earlier, not exactly "progressive"!

    Deploring sexism whilst coming out with male chauvinistic howlers like this - priceless!
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  • GreyBeard 02/09/2015


    Sorry, but when any movement or trend reaches the "end justifies the means" stage, it needs to stop and reexamine its goals, motives, and processes.

    Part of that is people stepping up and calling it out on its bullshit.

    I'm not stopping anything, just offering criticism of what I perceive to be a broken school of thought and methodology for change.

    I've said this before and yet I feel like I need to restate this once again: I don't doubt that people mean well, but idealism becomes zealotry when they stop listening to dissenting voices.

    What I see is people lobbying for agenda driven creative restraints, and I'm sorry but I don't give a toss whether its motivated by a moral or a political imerperative. Creative freedom within the bounds of the law is crucial.

    Trying to impose your tastes and political will on the rest of us is fucking out of order. Especially when its couched in such sanctimonious terms, its just causing friction and encouraging polar opposite factions into the fray.

    Sorry Anita, the games industry didn't create the monster that is GG, it arose as an oppositional faction to leftist attempts to politicize gaming along "progressive" lines.

    And no MrTomFTW, I am not in that batshit-insane camp. But I guess only a "true GG'r would deny his own GGness" AMIRITE?
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  • GreyBeard 02/09/2015


    But this whole thing is silly! In fact its bordering on parodically daft.

    If you've ever seen Monty Python's Life Of Brian, there's a great bit where Brian, pursued by a mob of idiot "believers", desperately tries and fails to tell them that he's not the messiah they think he is.

    The punch-line comes when after telling them straight up "I'm not the messiah.. honestly", someone pipes-up with "Only the true messiah denies his own divinity!"

    At which point, poor Brian exclaims "what sort of chance does that give me!"

    The point of this anecdote is that it illustrates that trying to talk rationally with zealots is futile, as they will always find a way to blindly justify their belief system.

    You see this happen, over and over again in discussion of "progressive" gender politics.

    There's a funny one in this thread:

    Quoth MrTomFTW:

    "@lone_wolf_uk That's not how objectification works. In fact you could say that if she has a major role, is characterised beyond a basic level and so on then that just makes how she is objectified through her visual design etc. that much worse."

    So characterization doesn't matter, story significance (i.e, agency within the context of the fiction) doesn't matter... We're right back to I know a messiah/objectified female when I see one!

    What sort of chance does that give any of us, you can't win against logic like that.
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  • GreyBeard 02/09/2015


    Who the hell jerks off over a videogame?


    Even disregarding the easy availability of porn, if you find cleavage that exciting wouldn't a clothing catalogue suit better LoL!

    This is just typical of the silly hyperbole around this issue. Its like the people frothing over it live in some parallel dimension where far more sexually stimulating material isn't constantly bombarding us from all sides!
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  • GreyBeard 01/09/2015


    I think I've made my position abundantly clear over the course of several posts in this thread.

    My view is entirely consistent and rational, and as I've pointed out I couldn't give a toss whether you're a creationist or a feminist. The razor here is whether the "fault" exists in fact or whether its just a projection of the ideological perspective its being examined from.

    Bottom line is that people need to lighten up and look at the bigger picture.

    That way it should become apparent that pulling Quiet's appearance out of context and blasting it for being a "male power fantasy" when every other aspect of the work is equally a "male power fantasy" is specious to the point of redundancy.

    And beyond that, I'd like people to more closely examine their own feelings about sexuality if they honestly believe that in these days of wall-to-wall hardcore porn on the internet, that bemoaning polygonal cleavage is such a terrible artistic infraction.
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  • GreyBeard 01/09/2015

    "Thing is. Quiet doesn't have a choice, she didn't have agency because she isn't real. She is the female form, hyper sexualized and objectified."

    You do realize that this attitude throws most of the history of art under the bus, right?

    Every painting, every sculpture, every charcoal sketch depicting the female form that happens to have been created by a man is, as you put it "here is how we view women in a world of men".

    Have you actually given any thought to what you're saying? I'm sorry, but it just sounds to me that you're parroting rhetoric in order to sound "enlightened".

    Of course, everything in the game is a prop to help sell the game to us, because its a piece of commercial art.

    Seriously, the idea of every element of every piece of commercial art or entertainment being subjected (however unofficially) to some kind of ideological purity test.. Its a Stalinist nightmare!
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