"New wave of XBox bans"

Psychotext wrote:

liamthemaster wrote:
who you ?

No, I'm very much anti-piracy.

No love for the pant pirates either?

BartonFink wrote:

rodpad wrote:
Possible sure. Legal most definitely not. Although they have disabled the ability to install a new HDD on a banned console for some reason. Surely it'd make more sense to disable putting an HDD from a banned console in anything else.

What wouldn't be legal about it? If they make the firmare on the machine unusable because somebody modded the hardware what possible legal recourse would you have? You broke the TOS.

They can't read or change the firmware on the dvd drive at all, therefore just breaking the console because they've detected you are being naughty is entirely different from say putting in new copyright protection that just so happens to make an existing hack bork a console over (ala the current Wii situation). Otherwise it's sabotage.

Edited by rodpad at 16:26:04 06-11-2009

dither wrote:
How come I've heard about Microsoft 'bricking' some consoles on purpose?

Because people are full of shit.... on the whole.

Doomspoon wrote:
No love for the pant pirates either?

Tell me more.

Edited by Psychotext at 16:44:06 06-11-2009

they couldn't break the console itself - there are no terms of service with a 3rd party for something that you own, but they could break the ability for that console to work on facilities that they do provide. Apple do this all the time

From another forum...

The new holiday bundle (Pure/Batman) 360 as welll as most of the latest manufacturered ones are coming with a new LiteOn drive with a new 83850c / 93450c firmware that as of yet, nobody has been able to extract the key from - thus, is currently unflashable.

Returns nothing but 0000's.

That's just cruel if true. :D

what happens if you play a non pirated game on a pirated console

The world ends.

Not much. We still don't know how they are detecting modified consoles, be it through detecting the modified firmware itself, purposely leaked and flagged ISOs, the way the drive reads copies or indeed the way the drive reads retail discs.

Nobody at this stage has a clue.

i thought its legal to play copies of your own game so is it legal to to mod your xbox to play that copy on ?

Even if its legal to make a backup, which I don't think it is anymore, it is definitely illegal to circumvent copy protection in order to use it.

MS not fucking around this time:

the iXtreme guy, c4eva, apparently announced to xxxx earlier that the haxed firmware is indeed detectable. he was running tests on 3 different setups these last couple of days and they were all banned at the same time.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This ban wave came in effect due to the recent deployment of the Wave 4 security layer on some newer games. I dont want to go into explaining how this differs from Wave 3, or what the Wave security layers do. But in the end, MS found a way to detect modded consoles but had to get it out there through new games installing Wave 4.

People downloaded games like they always do, ran abgx360 and popped them in. Little did they know MS one up'd them. People assumed they were always going to be safe if they followed a few rules, but MS outsmarted them. Since Wave 4's introduction a new iXtreme 1.61 firmware has been released to allow consoles to play newer Wave 4 enabled games. However, last I checked 1.61 only works on Samsung optical drives.

Edited by Psychotext at 17:23:19 09-11-2009

Ha!

Go MS, we're all behind you! \o/

I'll never quite understand pirates. The money they spend on getting their machines chipped, new consoles if they get banned, and the games (most pirates I've known have bought their copies from 'friends') all adds up. Why they couldn't just wait and get originals cheaply and sidestep all those pains in the arse I don't know.... but I suppose for a lot of them it's the principle of it all. :/

and the fact that every time you turn on your xbox you could be banned is probably a bit stressful.

For the longest time pirates assumed that wasn't the case though... I think only now are MS starting to get that through to them.

Retroid wrote:
I'll never quite understand pirates. The money they spend on getting their machines chipped, new consoles if they get banned, and the games (most pirates I've known have bought their copies from 'friends') all adds up. Why they couldn't just wait and get originals cheaply and sidestep all those pains in the arse I don't know.... but I suppose for a lot of them it's the principle of it all. :/

For most of them (at least the ones I know, some of them with even a better salary than mine) piracy is a hobby in itself, not video-games.

I make so much fun of them, I mock them saying "soon enough you'll be pulling electricity out of your neighbour, no?".

Edited by miiiguel at 18:11:38 09-11-2009

link doesn't work

The link is working, the site is probably having too much traffic right now. It took me a couple of tries to get to the site.
Anyway, it´s about a bunch of idiots who got their xbox´s banned and decided to make death threat calls to Stephen Toulouse´s (director of Xbox Live's policy enforcement) house, threatening his family and his dogs.

It does, it's just slow as hell. Basically the piracy guy at MS had his telephone number put on the web and he got death threats.

i wish the idiots would get arrested for shit like that.

Plonkers.

So is c4eva infact saying that it is Wave4 games that are ringing alarm bells, or just any firmware pre 1.61 itself? Confusing as he said all three of his test 360s were banned but one of them was a fresh 360 running 1.61, connected to live but not a single game played.

Edited by rodpad at 19:03:55 09-11-2009

A few guys with messed Gamercards were banned too.

Go MS!

Yeah fuck the pirates. :)

rodpad wrote:
So is c4eva infact saying that it is Wave4 games that are ringing alarm bells, or just any firmware pre 1.61 itself? Confusing as he said all three of his test 360s were banned but one of them was a fresh 360 running 1.61, connected to live but not a single game played.

That second quote isn't c4eva. It's someone else.

all a bit cat and mouse this, ms release new copy protection pirates break it, endless circle

and of course they can only ban people who are stupid enough to go online with a hacked box

paulf wrote:
all a bit cat and mouse this, ms release new copy protection pirates break it, endless circle

and of course they can only ban people who are stupid enough to go online with a hacked box

That'd be fair enough, that segregation would be good enough, imo. Anyway, judging by the death threats and shady foruns activity this "wave 4 ban" was realy nasty.
Anyway, this is fun to watch from this high horse.

great view too

paulf wrote:
all a bit cat and mouse this, ms release new copy protection pirates break it, endless circle

and of course they can only ban people who are stupid enough to go online with a hacked box

Why stop there? A good old fashioned bricking is what's needed.

Illegal as mentioned earlier. One thing they have done is disable the ability to install games onto any hard drive attatched to that console.

While we're at it lets brick your niece's PC for illegally downloading ringtones too.

Edited by rodpad at 21:43:10 09-11-2009