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  • Salaman 17 Mar 2014 10:12:34 18,886 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    30% is just madness. It's not possible to race on a climb that steep.
    Yup



    That's from last year though.
  • Salaman 18 Mar 2014 09:37:15 18,886 posts
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    Cavendish and his boys are in good shape it seems. Granted, there wasn't really a sprint due to a massive crash but their train seemed to be on the rails and lined up for a victory either way.

    Looking forward to Sunday ... MILAN - SAN REMO!
    Although I'll have to watch it in the evening. I'll be out and about with my daughter on sunday.
  • elstoof 18 Mar 2014 09:39:50 6,647 posts
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    They've had do many route changes for M-SR I'm surprised they haven't had to change the name yet.

    Cavendish with Renshaw and Petacchi leading him out looks like a deadly assault. Provided Cavendish is in good form for the final 300m I can't see anyone topping him this year.
  • Salaman 18 Mar 2014 12:44:12 18,886 posts
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    If he gets over the hilly biuts in good shape he should be OK.
    Gilbert and Sagan were battling for 1st place in the last week. They're the kind of guys to win something like San Remo if Cav doesn't manage to get himself to the front in time for the final.

    Aaaaaah. Looking forward to Sunday night. =)
  • Psychotext 18 Mar 2014 16:29:33 53,855 posts
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    Trainer Road now has a mountain bike (race) plan: http://blog.trainerroad.com/the-new-mountain-bike-plans/

    Edit - Wow, they have some evil looking workouts in them.

    Edited by Psychotext at 16:30:59 18-03-2014
  • Psychotext 19 Mar 2014 12:30:45 53,855 posts
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    It shouldn't, but it amuses me that the man behind a new ultra sensitive doping test is Dr Armstrong. :)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26636371
  • MikeP 20 Mar 2014 12:17:18 1,773 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Trainer Road now has a mountain bike (race) plan: http://blog.trainerroad.com/the-new-mountain-bike-plans/

    Edit - Wow, they have some evil looking workouts in them.
    Yeah - they look nasty. Properly spiky. I was doing a force interval session last night, makes a change from the routines focussed on muscular endurance and cardio vascular. Taking the cadence right down to 55-60 RPM and trying to hold a specific power level.
  • elstoof 20 Mar 2014 12:21:21 6,647 posts
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    What power measurement device are you using Mike?
  • caligari 20 Mar 2014 12:27:02 17,000 posts
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    Bit of a boring question, but what do you guys use to degrease your chains (hmm, why does that sound rude)?

    I've got one of those plastic chain cleaner devices - but I'm never too sure as to what fluid I should be using with it. Any tips for cheap degreaser (or home-made solutions) would be greatly appreciated!
  • elstoof 20 Mar 2014 12:33:43 6,647 posts
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    Any degreaser will do, ones that claim to have citrus in won't smell quite as badly as others. You could use petrol or diesel just as effectively, the bottle of Pedro's Orange stuff I've got is a bit more shelf friendly.

    That said, degreasing a chain isn't something I do - I wipe with a clean rag, apply chain lube and keep running the chain through until it leaves no more dirt on the rag. Then a final lube and wipe off the excess.

    Certain lubes attract more shite than others, recently switched to Purple Extreme lube and it's looking good so far. Cleaner chain than with Finish Line Dry.
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 12:33:58 53,855 posts
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    I use Morgan Blue, but once I'm out of that I'll switch to Jizer Engine Degreaser as it's more powerful whilst still being much cheaper.

    That said, these days I find more often than not I just clean with more oil. Lost count of the amounts of times I've taken the oil off and had the chain go rusty because I didn't have time to re-lube properly.
  • elstoof 20 Mar 2014 12:36:58 6,647 posts
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    It's "that said" day today :D
  • Salaman 20 Mar 2014 12:45:10 18,886 posts
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    That said.

    Just read that Tom Boonen won't be in Milan - San Remo because his girlfriend had a miscarriage.
    :-(
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 12:46:54 53,855 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    It's "that said" day today :D
    :D

    Edited by Psychotext at 12:47:16 20-03-2014
  • caligari 20 Mar 2014 12:48:49 17,000 posts
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    Thanks guys - I'll have a go with the 'cleaning with more oil' option in a sec.

    ...oh, and while we're here - what lube (ahem) are you guys 'rocking'?
  • basmans_grob 20 Mar 2014 12:51:12 264 posts
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    I use one of these
    http://www.evanscycles.com/products/park/cm5-chain-cleaning-kit-ec005497
    once you get the hang of it (five minute job) it gets the chain really clean in minutes
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 12:55:45 53,855 posts
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    I mostly use Muc Off Wet Lube. I've found dry to be a waste of time in UK weather (fine for anyone that wants to re-lube continuously though): http://www.wiggle.co.uk/muc-off-wet-lube-120ml/

    Edited by Psychotext at 12:56:46 20-03-2014
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 13:15:49 53,855 posts
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    I don't know if you guys have seen anything of Project Enduro, but they've really come on in leaps and bounds recently. This is a great shot:

  • ionic 20 Mar 2014 13:33:40 673 posts
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    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/park-tools-cm52-cyclone-chain-cleaner/

    Under 20 on wiggle too.
  • MikeP 20 Mar 2014 13:39:05 1,773 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    What power measurement device are you using Mike?
    It's the Virtual Power data off TrainerRoad. Not sure absolute accuracy, but the Kurt Kinetic trainer I have is supposed to be very consistent so long as you use same tyre psi & tension on the roller.

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/841833-Newcomb
  • MikeP 20 Mar 2014 13:43:08 1,773 posts
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    I use dry lube even on the CX bike. Get a plastic freezer bag or equivalent, squirt lube into that to make a tiny bath, run the chain through, leave for a minute, wipe all the excess off.

    It's important it gets into all the pins and rollers and stays there. You don't really want it on the outer plates of the chain. Degreaser can be a bit aggressive, and strip it away from the guts of the chain, leading to an early, squeaky, demise.
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 13:49:20 53,855 posts
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    Talking of lubes: http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/hot-tub-wax-based-chain-lube-launches-on-kickstarter-40467/

    Not a bad idea.
  • elstoof 20 Mar 2014 14:11:57 6,647 posts
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    MikeP wrote:
    Not sure absolute accuracy, but the Kurt Kinetic trainer I have is supposed to be very consistent so long as you use same tyre psi & tension on the roller.
    Consistency trumps accuracy in my view. I'm going to dip into the power game I think, just scouting people I know for what they use. So far I'm leaning towards Vectors.
  • elstoof 20 Mar 2014 14:13:02 6,647 posts
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    Lube wise, as mentioned above, I've just cracked open a bottle of Purple Extreme and it seems good so far.
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 14:15:52 53,855 posts
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    I've always rated it when I've used it.

    I want to try the no clean lubes but they rely on having a completely clean chain to start with and I always forget to do it when I get a new chain.
  • elstoof 20 Mar 2014 14:22:06 6,647 posts
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    Sheldon says that the factory lubricant that comes on chains is about the best there is, and because only a fool doubts the great Sheldon Brown, I've never been convinced by those "degrease your new chain" lubes.
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 14:28:59 53,855 posts
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    The ones I'm talking about don't tell you to do that. You just need to make sure you're not sealing in any grit and turning it into a nice grinding paste.
  • elstoof 20 Mar 2014 14:57:14 6,647 posts
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    The only one I've really seen is the White Lightening stuff.
  • Psychotext 20 Mar 2014 15:01:46 53,855 posts
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    I hate the White Lightning one. Goes absolutely everywhere, complete nightmare to get on the chain.
  • Psychotext 21 Mar 2014 00:09:19 53,855 posts
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    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/774841427/halfbike

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