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  • wuntyphyve 13 Sep 2017 17:37:52 9,152 posts
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    Ended up randomly buying the new Septic Flesh album last week and I haven't had it out of my ears since. It's fucking immense and I can't believe I've not listened to them before.
  • JonFE 13 Sep 2017 18:50:22 1,743 posts
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    @wuntyphyve The band I used to be in had the pleasure of opening for them (and Rotting Christ / Nightfall, the unholy trinity of Greek Metal) back in 1999 in a local gig and our guitarist used to session for them live at the time. They are great guys and musicians, real professionals on their work. I'd recommend you check "Revolution DNA", even if it's not too aggressive :)
  • wuntyphyve 13 Sep 2017 19:26:59 9,152 posts
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    @JonFE yeah? That's quite awesome. I was well into Rotting Christ around that time too. That would have been a great opener! Well jealous as being stuck up here we never get the chance to open for acts like that as they never visit. I shall check that out 😁
  • Rubbatiti 13 Sep 2017 19:50:50 8 posts
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    Looking forward to Rotting Christ at mammothfest in October.
  • thelzdking 13 Sep 2017 20:24:33 6,117 posts
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    I'd love to see Rotting Christ. Enjoy man!
  • Rubbatiti 13 Sep 2017 20:38:20 8 posts
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    @thelzdking Still tickets going I think. Really enjoyed their bloodstock set last year.
  • devil_badger 14 Sep 2017 06:44:25 783 posts
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    Haven't seen Rotting Christ for a few years now. Saw them on the Aeleo(?) tour supporting Bolt Thrower and it was pretty amazing.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 14 Sep 2017 08:02:59 4,092 posts
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    The Decapitation news is fucking awful
  • wuntyphyve 14 Sep 2017 08:07:06 9,152 posts
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    That's put me in the mind to listen to some Rotting Christ now. Not heard them since aeleo.
  • JonFE 14 Sep 2017 09:07:13 1,743 posts
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    I love to see members of an international forum praise Greek metal bands; back in the 80's and the 90's Greek metal fans and musicians alike thought it'd be really hard to make such a breakthrough. It goes to prove that with hard work, dedication and determination it can be done :)

    Also, I feel old :rolleyes: 1999??? Geez!!!

    Edited by JonFE at 09:08:39 14-09-2017
  • thelzdking 14 Sep 2017 09:28:53 6,117 posts
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    Love Greek BM. Varathron are mint and their last album was really good. Necromantia are genuinely unique. Zemual, Thou Art Lord etc. Top scene.

    I should try and find some contemporary bands though.
  • JonFE 14 Sep 2017 09:56:23 1,743 posts
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    @thelzdking :-)

    My only "concern" (for lack of a better term) is that you only mention BM bands, while there are good examples on other genres. You may want to check out Wastefall, Fragile Vastness, InnerWish, Innosense, Until Rain or Nightstalker.
  • wuntyphyve 14 Sep 2017 10:10:35 9,152 posts
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    I used to love RC's Sleep of the Angels. I'm going to dig it out. Was listening to Rituals on the way into work this morning. Great stuff.

    I'm going to check out some of these other mentioned bands.
  • LittleSparra 15 Sep 2017 16:33:05 6,607 posts
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    Hello nerds.

    Here is a total twat question, right. In the olden days I never liked much crazy heavy metal because it hurt my little ears. I've always liked heavy music, but not the dissonant, pace-change screamy stuff of proper hardcore death and thrash metal.

    However, t'other day I was listening to some Slayer and was like 'ey this is alright actually'. Reign in Blood, specifically.

    Enjoying it more than I thought, I looked up the lyrics, cos most of the time I couldn't tell what he was singing about.

    Now I am a sad panda and don't want to listen to Slayer anymore. :(

    Flippancy aside, how do you guys feel about the really dark, horrible stuff in some of these songs? I am not moralising at all, I am curious. It actively put me off.
  • whatfruitlivesagain 15 Sep 2017 16:36:46 345 posts
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    Existence is Punishment.
  • wuntyphyve 15 Sep 2017 17:08:08 9,152 posts
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    @LittleSparra More horrible the better really.
  • Duffking 15 Sep 2017 17:22:22 14,610 posts
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    @LittleSparra I think it's a misguided question in general to be honest, since by and large that sort of stuff in lyrics is in the minority of bands. Even inside of Death Metal and Black Metal, I think there's a general misconception that most metal lyrics are along the same lines as Slayer or Cannibal Corpse lyrics.

    For bands that do, I guess you just treat it like a horror movie or something. There's always been an element of silliness.

    Edited by Duffking at 17:22:40 15-09-2017
  • FuzzyDucky 15 Sep 2017 17:41:39 2,246 posts
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    @LittleSparra Way back then Slayer were pushing the boundaries of the aesthetic of metal. They were also writing about things that interest them. They also courted controversy with the whole Nazi thing, but people tend to overlook the fact that Dave Lombardo is from Cuba, Tom Araya is from Chile and I think it was Jeff Hahnemann's dad fought for the Allies in WWII. And the Satanist thing goes out the window when one realises Araya is a practicing Catholic.

    There's bands that do cover some interesting stuff. Listen to the likes of latter day Death (social stuff, spirituality and personal growth), Athesit (environmentalism, aliens, human condition), Cynic (eastern spiritualism), Nile (mostly Egyptian mythology with a wee bit of Lovecraft thrown in), Vektor, Artifical Brain, Blood Incangation, (all sci fi). Trouble's first record is one of the best metal albums ever recorded and it's basically as close to "Christan metal" as you'll get.

    Most decent bands have interesting lyrics. But bands like Cannibal Corpse have even said themselves they're the musical equivalent of a slasher flick.
  • FuzzyDucky 15 Sep 2017 17:42:36 2,246 posts
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    Or what Duffking said 😊
  • LittleSparra 15 Sep 2017 17:58:11 6,607 posts
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    Fair dos, thanks for the replies. The horror film analogy is useful, actually: I get scared and repulsed by them too! Guess I am just a pansy.

    Also, yes, I am sure I was a bit oblique with my question, as it's not every metal band, that makes sense given my other dabblings with the genre, let alone being intuitive...
  • Boriska 15 Sep 2017 19:28:09 406 posts
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    The Norwegian black metallers weren't satanists generally but some were passionately anti-Christian - maybe that's a seed planted by Bathory but the conclusion for a few was near enough Nazi style nationalist views. I love some of those Burzum records but don't want to support him in any way at all, that's the unpalatable shit, not the daft lyrics about channelling the devil.
  • FuzzyDucky 15 Sep 2017 20:10:42 2,246 posts
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    Yeah I can't enjoy Dissection knowing how much a piece of shit Jon Notvied (sp?) was.
  • FuzzyDucky 15 Sep 2017 20:21:14 2,246 posts
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    @LittleSparra There's not enough "pansies" in the world. I moved on a copy of Mortal Kombat XL pretty quickly as it felt like it was basically violence porn. I get that that's the series' reputation (heck, I first played it on the Megadrive the week it launched), but this was so overtly gratuitous and graphic I actually found myself not doing Xray attacks or Finishing Moves.

    I recall an interview with one of the guys out of Slayer (possibly Araya) concerning Angel of Death. It went along the lines of "we're not explicitly stating he's a bad guy because that shouldn't that be the first thing you think when you read about him?"

    Meshuggah, Deathspell Omega and Gorguts (the later stuff) and Obscura all have interesting lyrics too :)
  • wuntyphyve 15 Sep 2017 20:21:14 9,152 posts
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    @Boriska did it not have its roots in paganism? I never really considered black metal overtly satanistic although I know some bands were.

    Varg is full of shit but I too am partial to a bit of Burzum.

    But yes, as has been said, the more overtly grotesque imagery in some extreme metal bands are more akin to an aural horror movie and there really isn't much more to it than that. I am of the opinion metal is probably the most diverse and progressive genre out there and if you tar it with the horrific lyrics/ best avoid then brush you are seriously missing out. Especially since you say you liked the music. Another band with less harsh lyrics will be your thing perhaps.
  • wuntyphyve 15 Sep 2017 20:29:27 9,152 posts
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    Talking of bands covering interesting stuff, Amorphis base a lot of their music on the Kalavela, an epic Finnish poem comprising a lot of the countries folklore. It's great stuff and quite beautiful in places.
  • FuzzyDucky 15 Sep 2017 20:46:14 2,246 posts
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    @wuntyphyve Never knew that and I spun Tales and Tuonela just the other day!
  • Boriska 15 Sep 2017 20:53:18 406 posts
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    wuntyphyve wrote:
    @Boriska did it not have its roots in paganism? I never really considered black metal overtly satanistic although I know some bands were.

    Varg is full of shit but I too am partial to a bit of Burzum.

    But yes, as has been said, the more overtly grotesque imagery in some extreme metal bands are more akin to an aural horror movie and there really isn't much more to it than that. I am of the opinion metal is probably the most diverse and progressive genre out there and if you tar it with the horrific lyrics/ best avoid then brush you are seriously missing out. Especially since you say you liked the music. Another band with less harsh lyrics will be your thing perhaps.
    A few of the bigger bands used Satanism as a stick for their anti-Christian views which criticised the way Christianity spread itself across Europe and how it wiped out cultures on the way. Bathory touched upon that kind of thing a few years earlier but who knows.

    Edit: which yes, means the hundreds (thousands?) of years the different pagan religions existed before it was decided Christianity should be what people believe in.

    Edited by Boriska at 20:54:58 15-09-2017
  • wuntyphyve 15 Sep 2017 22:55:37 9,152 posts
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    @FuzzyDucky ooh I bloody love Tuonela. I must have played Divinity hundreds of times over the years.
  • StixxUK 18 Sep 2017 08:22:38 7,804 posts
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    Got to say I did not expect Paradise lost to go full on crusty doom for their latest album. Seems like a chunk of Vallenfyre came back to the main gig!
  • DrStrangelove 20 Sep 2017 01:08:55 10,871 posts
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    Kinda sorry for hijacking the thread for this, but... being diagnosed with borderline PD now and contemplating it, I took another look at my love for Shining. Even beyond all the promotion of self-harm and suicide, the sheer emotional intensity just shouts borderline to me.

    I've noticed before that most metal leaves me relatively cold unless it's really intense, which means there's little I truly appreciate aside from some exceptions like Slayer's darker stuff, Mayhem, YAITW, Triptykon, Silencer, and most of all: Shining. The borderline thing seems to give an explanation. Years ago, when I was more dead than alive, I discovered Shining and it was the only thing that could make me feel myself again at that point.

    What I'm asking is: what do you make of Shining? Do you "get it", enjoy it, or is it just sick or stupid shit to you? Do you have any trace of sympathy for Kvarforth's antisocial behaviour? Do you think encouraging the mentally ill to harm themselves is part of the game or unacceptable? And even if you hate it, do you think the music is good or is it misguided shit?

    I've heard a lot of praise for the music, I'm wondering what you get out of it if you're not into all that masochist stuff.



    (to the eagle-eared: yes, that's Hellhammer on the drums)

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 01:21:04 20-09-2017
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