VGA better than component?

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  • Deleted user 18 July 2007 06:30:35
    I've seen a few posts from people saying that using a VGA cable for your 360 is better than component, if you have a hdtv. I would just like to know if this is widely accepted or just preference. I only really know about component and HDMI which I thought was best.
  • Aretak 18 Jul 2007 06:53:06 10,376 posts
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    HDMI is definetly the best, but there's little difference between VGA and component. One might look better on one TV and the other on another (for example my TV has a terrible VGA input, so I use component). The one advantage VGA does have is that the 360 will upscale DVDs via that output, whereas it won't via component (and neither will anything else, since upscaling DVDs via component is an industry no-no). I just use my PS3 for the purposes of upscaling DVDs.
  • MrSensible 18 Jul 2007 08:09:41 25,402 posts
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    Yeah Aretak has it spot on. Some TVs look better with VGA, some look better with component.
  • theleedslads 18 Jul 2007 08:34:21 450 posts
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    On my samsung 32" theres no contest between VGA & COMPONENT using both official cables.

    The VGA display is much much better, and the component looks just horrible!

    Im still not convinced it is any different on any other HDTV's as all the VGA vs COMPONENT writeups on the internet state VGA as the clear winner.

    Im still not convinced HDMI is far superior than VGA either!!!!!! can someone tell me the difference? i have full 5.1 dolby digital and crystal clear video coming out of my VGA Cable already, just need convincing its worth my while to get an elite i guess!

    (Im not easily convinced today as you can see! haha!)
  • Aretak 18 Jul 2007 08:37:45 10,376 posts
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    theleedslads wrote:
    Im still not convinced it is any different on any other HDTV's as all the VGA vs COMPONENT writeups on the internet state VGA as the clear winner.
    Apparently that's not true though, as I just stated differently above.
  • Aretak 18 Jul 2007 08:43:28 10,376 posts
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    Oh, and EG took some comparison shots of HDMI, VGA and component using the 360 a while back...

    http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78009

    http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78011

    http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78012

    So judge for yourself. You'll need to click 'View original+' to see any difference.
  • steellam 18 Jul 2007 08:46:13 1,047 posts
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    theleedslads wrote
    Im still not convinced HDMI is far superior than VGA either!!!!!! can someone tell me the difference?

    HDMI os digital, VGA is analogue therefore not specced to carry 1080p

    Edited by steellam at 08:46:42 18-07-2007
  • Luvbeers 18 Jul 2007 08:56:30 918 posts
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    theleedslads wrote:
    On my samsung 32" theres no contest between VGA & COMPONENT using both official cables.

    The VGA display is much much better, and the component looks just horrible!

    same on my samsung 40".
  • JayeM 18 Jul 2007 09:16:08 3,386 posts
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    steellam wrote:
    theleedslads wrote
    Im still not convinced HDMI is far superior than VGA either!!!!!! can someone tell me the difference?

    HDMI os digital, VGA is analogue therefore not specced to carry 1080p

    Edited by steellam at 08:46:42 18-07-2007
    VGA is perfectly capable of 1920x1080@60Hz. :)
  • Whizzo 18 Jul 2007 09:20:18 43,375 posts
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    Pre-update that allowed you to set the RGB levels VGA was inferior to component on my tv/monitor due to being washed out, it's now just as good possibly even a bit better.

    For most 720P TVs you can run VGA at what the TV's native resolution is as well (1366x768) so there's no scaling done.

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  • nickthegun 18 Jul 2007 09:23:08 61,364 posts
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    On my LG LCD, there wasnt much in it. The colours were more vivid on component but the picture quality was sharper on VGA.

    The recent update ironed out some of the problems with the VGA colour issue, so I connect by that every time, but in the real world, the issue isnt as clear cut as people make out.

    If you had to take the blind pepsi challenge you would have a hard time picking VGA over Comp unless you knew what you were looking for.

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  • deem 18 Jul 2007 09:27:28 31,641 posts
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  • Evil_Moe 18 Jul 2007 09:27:55 55 posts
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    Give up Deem.
  • theleedslads 18 Jul 2007 10:37:16 450 posts
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    I still think there is a huge difference in quality on VGA over COMPONENT, it just seems silly to me for anyone to suggest otherwise!
  • Yossarian 18 Jul 2007 11:07:49 8,411 posts
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    I can certainly vouch that VGA is better on a monitor than component. :p

    (my monitor has component inputs, but the lack of tearing compared to VGA is offset by noticeable aliasing on just about everything)
  • qwerty123 18 Jul 2007 13:14:19 231 posts
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    Aretak wrote:
    HDMI is definetly the best, but there's little difference between VGA and component. One might look better on one TV and the other on another (for example my TV has a terrible VGA input, so I use component). The one advantage VGA does have is that the 360 will upscale DVDs via that output, whereas it won't via component (and neither will anything else, since upscaling DVDs via component is an industry no-no). I just use my PS3 for the purposes of upscaling DVDs.

    I'm pretty sure the 360 upscales DVD to 720p via component. I agree with the VGA/Component argument though, it really does depend on your TV. The people who say their picture looks bad via component should try setting it up properly if the TV allows. My Sony 32D3000 has a setup for each individual AV input, so I can set up the analogue TV, digital TV, Wii and 360 independently, and after about 10mins of testing on forza2 and GoW the picture now looks amazing. You may need to increase the sharpness.
  • JayeM 18 Jul 2007 13:29:26 3,386 posts
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    qwerty123 wrote:
    I'm pretty sure the 360 upscales DVD to 720p via component.
    It doesn't. ;)

    I'm using VGA on my 32D3000 and have the sharpness set to "Min", looks amazing. :)

    I haven't tried the component cable yet but I doubt it could look any better.
  • qwerty123 18 Jul 2007 17:37:56 231 posts
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    JayeM wrote:

    I'm using VGA on my 32D3000 and have the sharpness set to "Min", looks amazing. :)

    Recommend I get the VGA then? You had any problems with washed out colours? Did you get the official one?
    When setting the sharpness to minimum I thought the picture looked a bit too blurry, I think I set mine to 25 while using component then played around with the many colour settings.
  • JayeM 18 Jul 2007 17:44:01 3,386 posts
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    Well, I'd have to see what component looked like in comparison (I think I might test it later if I can be bothered setting it up), but it's probably not worth it if you're happy with your picture now.

    The colours look great for me over VGA, though one thing that might be worth mentioning is that you lose a lot of the options if you use VGA (like the motion enhancer).

    One thing I have noticed though is that the 360 over VGA looks better than the PS3 over HDMI to my eyes which was surprising.

    And yeah, I got the official cable (17.99 from Play.com).

    With VGA you get 1:1 pixel mapping, with component you get about 2.5% overscan, which might be worth considering.

    Edited by JayeM at 17:45:53 18-07-2007
  • Der_tolle_Emil 18 Jul 2007 17:56:50 7,301 posts
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    JayeM wrote:

    With VGA you get 1:1 pixel mapping, with component you get about 2.5% overscan, which might be worth considering.

    Edited by JayeM at 17:45:53 18-07-2007

    I think this is the reason why VGA looks better on many TVs. I know that my TV resizes the image to match overscan, which results in a slightly more blurry image. I haven't tried VGA yet (I only have one VGA input which accepts component as well so I would have to buy a switcher) but I have PC hooked up to the TV as well and the resolutions look astonishingly sharp with 1:1 pixel mapping.
  • qwerty123 19 Jul 2007 16:34:01 231 posts
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    JayeM wrote:
    one thing that might be worth mentioning is that you lose a lot of the options if you use VGA (like the motion enhancer).

    It's no sale for me then, I have the motion enhancer set to high and the difference is amazing. I assume thats the 100Hz kicking in. The clarity and detail of the environment while stood still remains even when you move, its so smooth.
    Might still be worth getting the VGA for DVDs at 720p though.

    Edited by qwerty123 at 16:35:23 19-07-2007
  • Grunk 19 Jul 2007 16:39:56 4,718 posts
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    Also depends on how far you're setting up the 360 away from the TV.
  • uiruki 19 Jul 2007 16:40:32 3,766 posts
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    JayeM wrote:

    The colours look great for me over VGA, though one thing that might be worth mentioning is that you lose a lot of the options if you use VGA (like the motion enhancer).
    Edited by JayeM at 17:45:53 18-07-2007

    Conversely, that's exactly why I like using VGA - I hate it when a tell tries to put information into an image which isn't there in the name of 'image enhancement'. I remember playing Sega Rally on Saturn on a friend's Philips Pixel Plus TV, and it felt like my corneas were melting.
  • Der_tolle_Emil 19 Jul 2007 16:43:57 7,301 posts
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    You can turn Pixel Plus off, I own a Philips TV. On mine the 360 on 1080i and component looks better with it switched on though.
  • qwerty123 19 Jul 2007 16:47:32 231 posts
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    @uiruki
    You really need to see the motion enhancer to believe. It doesn't add or change the image it just makes everything twice as smooth and looks fantastic. I was talking to a guy on Gears and he also commented how great the picture was on his 100Hz Samsung.

    100Hz 720p > 50Hz 1080p
  • Razz 19 Jul 2007 16:50:07 61,666 posts
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    Aretak wrote:
    Oh, and EG took some comparison shots of HDMI, VGA and component using the 360 a while back...

    http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78009

    http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78011

    http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78012

    So judge for yourself. You'll need to click 'View original+' to see any difference.
    HDMI is sharper. You can tell by the decals on the bonet.

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  • Paukl 19 Jul 2007 16:54:10 136 posts
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    theleedslads wrote:
    On my samsung 32" theres no contest between VGA & COMPONENT using both official cables.

    The VGA display is much much better, and the component looks just horrible!

    I've got a Samsung 32" meself and have been tempted bya VGA cable, but only as I've just bought a Wii which looks horendous through standard cables, so I want to try running that thorugh component. That said, I've got no complaints about the 360 component picture.

    It's really starting to sound like this is the way to go...

    Edited by Paukl at 16:54:45 19-07-2007

    Edited by Paukl at 16:55:03 19-07-2007
  • Der_tolle_Emil 19 Jul 2007 17:13:21 7,301 posts
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    Also there is no guarantee that the capture equipment handles all sources equally well - so there could be quality differences as well.

    The images look almost identical. The only thing you really can make out of it is that the 360 looks the same on all cables if the receiver handles the signals equally well. So it's all down to the TV and HDMI does not necessarily look better than component or VGA.
  • CyberClaw 19 Jul 2007 17:16:26 2,087 posts
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    A thing to note, is that VGA can choose other resolutions. LCD TVs are known to use weird native resolutions.

    They'll many times use true XWGA (1366768) instead of 720p (1280x720) as their native resolution. With the VGA adapter you can choose other resolutions other than the regular HDTV ones. (although I'm not sure it supports true XWGA, and some games like PGR3 get odd shaped if you choose a 4:3 resolution)
  • JayeM 19 Jul 2007 17:21:22 3,386 posts
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    Qwerty: I've just tried my 360 via component and I couldn't see that much difference, VGA is just a bit sharper.

    Though one thing I did notice with the motion enhancer set to high was that objects sort of broke up when they moved really fast, you should be able to see this when moving between blades on the dashboard really fast (left and right, back and forth).

    That didn't happen on VGA or with the motion enhancer set to standard. The same thing was reported by some review sites.
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