Good Anti-Virus/Spyware Setup... Page 2

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  • nickthegun 21 Mar 2013 14:45:41 55,848 posts
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    http://www.techspot.com/news/51367-microsoft-security-essentials-fails-av-test-certification-again.html

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    He totally called it

  • Dougs 21 Mar 2013 14:48:45 64,853 posts
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    Cheers, will bin that then!
  • Blerk Moderator 21 Mar 2013 14:54:46 48,224 posts
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    Nothing keeps you safe apart from your own common sense.
  • nickthegun 21 Mar 2013 14:57:25 55,848 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Cheers, will bin that then!
    The funny thing is, its what I use. Its uses hardly any resources, isnt intrusive and it has a good interface. Shame its performance isnt great as it would be perfect otherwise but, to repeat what Blerk said, im confident enough to not really care (rightly or wrongly).

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  • Deckard1 21 Mar 2013 14:59:35 25,330 posts
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    I've been raw dick for about 4 year and never picked anything up yet. I'm a strong believer that you've got to be a bit of a mong to get a virus.

    Called it

  • nickthegun 21 Mar 2013 15:02:28 55,848 posts
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    You think youve never picked anything up. You could be the center of a chinese bot-net for all you know.

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  • Deckard1 21 Mar 2013 15:08:33 25,330 posts
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    Its pretty easy to tell if you've got a virus, just down to the performance of the PC. Also check autoruns every now and again and maybe run a rootkit scanner.

    I used to clear virus ridden PC's everyday for what its worth, so yeah I'd advise you to have an antivirus program anfony. Norton and mcafee are the best, but only if you've got both of them installed.

    Called it

  • Blerk Moderator 21 Mar 2013 15:10:37 48,224 posts
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    :D
  • PearOfAnguish 21 Mar 2013 15:17:49 6,971 posts
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    Probably a good idea, yeah.

    And people who say "you'll only get a virus if you're careless" are talking nonsense. Don't need to go around clicking .EXE files you find in emails, all it takes is one dodgy web site to get you with a drive-by download.
  • Deleted user 21 March 2013 15:23:57
    I hear Deckard always go bare-back.
  • Deleted user 21 March 2013 15:33:14
    PearOfAnguish wrote:
    Probably a good idea, yeah.

    And people who say "you'll only get a virus if you're careless" are talking nonsense. Don't need to go around clicking .EXE files you find in emails, all it takes is one dodgy web site to get you with a drive-by download.
    Simple answer is don't blindly go onto dodgy websites. In twenty odd years of using PCs I've had to deal with a virus on my own machine maybe three or four times in total, each time something fundamentally harmless. On the other side of the coin, working in IT shit I saw countless computers that were pretty well protected on the virus side of things that were still infested from people randomly clicking on things and following links on emails and so on and so forth. I'm pretty confident in saying that 90% of virus problems will be because of end user spasticity rather than any stealthy backdoor nonsense.
  • graysonavich 21 Mar 2013 15:47:11 6,795 posts
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    Yeah it's all rather silly. Chrome+Adblock and some basic free scanner with a mixture of common sense is far better than whatever some sponsored website will recommend.

    Nothing is fool proof, why pretend anything different.
  • Dirtbox 21 Mar 2013 15:49:51 76,312 posts
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    didn't i make a thread about all this some time ago, or is anfony really that shit at searching.

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  • PearOfAnguish 21 Mar 2013 16:02:20 6,971 posts
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    meme wrote:
    PearOfAnguish wrote:
    Probably a good idea, yeah.

    And people who say "you'll only get a virus if you're careless" are talking nonsense. Don't need to go around clicking .EXE files you find in emails, all it takes is one dodgy web site to get you with a drive-by download.
    Simple answer is don't blindly go onto dodgy websites. In twenty odd years of using PCs I've had to deal with a virus on my own machine maybe three or four times in total, each time something fundamentally harmless. On the other side of the coin, working in IT shit I saw countless computers that were pretty well protected on the virus side of things that were still infested from people randomly clicking on things and following links on emails and so on and so forth. I'm pretty confident in saying that 90% of virus problems will be because of end user spasticity rather than any stealthy backdoor nonsense.
    Well no that's not the simple answer because you don't need to browse dodgy web sites to get hit. I've been using PCs my entire life and only had a couple of virus issues, but the most problematic was fairly recently when an exploit on a site injected some stupid bloody malware that hijacked the system and royally fucked up Windows. This was Win 7, using Chrome with AdBlock, on a site that I had visited previously without issue and was not flagged as a threat by Google or any of the security software until it was too late.

    It was pure bad luck, and sometimes that's all it takes. My experience was out of the norm, but saying 'just don't go on dodgy sites' is of absolutely no help to anyone.
  • Deleted user 21 March 2013 16:11:17
    Well, it was more suggesting that if you pay attention to what you're doing you don't need a/v scanners running constantly in the background. It's usually fairly obvious if malware jumps on from a browser exploit, and most of those times a/v protection wouldn't do jack shit about that anyway.

    I stand by the opinion that individual end users at home are better off educating themselves and having an ounce of common sense, doing a one-off scan every once in a while than relying on constantly running software in an attempt to protect themselves from their own stupidity.

    On business networks it's another story, obviously.

    Edited by meme at 16:11:50 21-03-2013
  • Dougs 21 Mar 2013 16:29:53 64,853 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Dougs wrote:
    Cheers, will bin that then!
    The funny thing is, its what I use. Its uses hardly any resources, isnt intrusive and it has a good interface. Shame its performance isnt great as it would be perfect otherwise but, to repeat what Blerk said, im confident enough to not really care (rightly or wrongly).
    It's the resource thing and unobtrusiveness that I like. Wasn't aware performance had dipped so much. Not that there's much to worry about in terms of what I access anyway either.
  • PearOfAnguish 21 Mar 2013 16:39:47 6,971 posts
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    You cannot seriously think it's worth risking a buggered up system or worse just to claw back a few MBs in memory or a % of CPU resources. Unless you're using a really shitty outdated and poorly maintained machine (or running Norton or McAfee) you will be able to keep AV running in the background without any noticeable impact on performance.

    If someone got a virus because they'd opened an attachment on a viagra email, and they weren't running AV as they'd been informed it was pointless, I'd blame the person who told them that.
  • Deleted user 21 March 2013 16:45:08
    No, I think that, for an educated user with common sense, the risk is negligible enough to not warrant being concerned about it, system resource hog or no.

    I also never said "running AV is pointless". Someone who's stupid enough to click on viagra spam attachments needs protection, sure, but sensible people don't do that.
  • PearOfAnguish 21 Mar 2013 18:37:50 6,971 posts
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    Any person who educates themselves about security would conclude that having AV software running is a perfectly sensible thing to do.

    Edited by PearOfAnguish at 18:38:05 21-03-2013
  • Deleted user 21 March 2013 18:39:29
    That's like saying any sensible person who educates themselves about road safety would conclude that staying inside all the time is a perfectly sensible thing to do.

    It is, but at the same time, it isn't.
  • PearOfAnguish 21 Mar 2013 18:44:20 6,971 posts
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    Now you're getting silly.

    What exactly are the downsides to having AV running in the background?
  • Deleted user 21 March 2013 18:48:31
    No real downsides other than it being a bit pointless for anyone who knows what they're doing. Use a decent browser with ad-block, keep software and the OS up to date, don't click on random shit, do a mwb or super scan every once in a while will keep things just as clean as leaving AVG running 24/7.

    The first three you should be doing regardless of any a/v stuff anyway.

    Edited by meme at 18:51:14 21-03-2013
  • onestepfromlost 21 Mar 2013 18:49:34 1,960 posts
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    Depends how much porn you are surfing
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