So if "God" does exist, who created Him?

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  • woodnotes 24 Jun 2007 09:47:30 4,935 posts
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    It's one thing saying that "God" is the only explanation for the world we live in today. But hypothetically, if that was the case, then who or what "created Him?"

    Stupid answers such as 'He just IS' will not be accepted. This is the ususal rollocks answer I get to this question which is just as stupid as when people say that dinosaurs aren't in the Bible because when writing the Old Testament, Moses couldn't possibly have listed 'all animals'. Even though Dinosaurs pretty much ruled the land for millions of years before man existed. Anyway, if "He just IS" was acceptable as an explanation, then why can't "we just BE".
  • Syrok Designer, Tarsier Studios 24 Jun 2007 09:48:51 14,033 posts
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    Gods mum.
  • NewYork 24 Jun 2007 09:52:12 24,835 posts
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    Well why is there anything at all, let alone God.
  • spindizzy 24 Jun 2007 09:52:56 6,542 posts
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    woodnotes wrote:
    It's one thing saying that "God" is the only explanation for the world we live in today. But hypothetically, if that was the case, then who or what "created Him?"

    Stupid answers such as 'He just IS' will not be accepted. This is the ususal rollocks answer I get to this question which is just as stupid as when people say that dinosaurs aren't in the Bible because when writing the Old Testament, Moses couldn't possibly have listed 'all animals'. Even though Dinosaurs pretty much ruled the land for millions of years before man existed. Anyway, if "He just IS" was acceptable as an explanation, then why can't "we just BE".

    I'm not religious at all, but I think if you're going to believe in deities you have to cut them a bit more slack. ;-)

    By the the very definition of the term, normal rules don't have to apply. Once you've accepted the existence of a being that created the universe and everything in it ... I don't have much difficulty in accepting that they've been around forever (or at least, accepting that this is the best answer we're likely to have for your question)
  • Pirotic Moderator 24 Jun 2007 09:54:13 20,648 posts
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    Trick question,

    A lot of the definitions of 'God' are so vague that it's almost certain something exists which matchs it. If god is just the means that the universe came into existance, well, it exists therefore god has to exist by principle.

    Edited by Pirotic at 09:55:17 24-06-2007
  • Nasty 24 Jun 2007 09:56:17 4,749 posts
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    It's called faith. Let them get on with it. They'll all kill each other soon enough and hopefully not take the rest of us with them.

    We all have to believe in something. I belive I'll have some pancakes and bacon this morning.
  • NewYork 24 Jun 2007 09:57:59 24,835 posts
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    So, was "stuff" around forever, or did it come into being from nothing at some point?
  • Pirotic Moderator 24 Jun 2007 09:58:52 20,648 posts
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    My faith in faith is restored, I googled image searched it and this was the first result (NOT SAFE FOR WORK!).

    so to conclude - faith is a good thing.
  • Nasty 24 Jun 2007 10:01:13 4,749 posts
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    Does that faith involve baptising and anointing?
  • Deleted user 24 June 2007 10:04:57
    Non-linear being innit.

    What sense would 'being born' or 'beginning' make to something that exists beyond Time as a dimension.
  • NewYork 24 Jun 2007 10:06:09 24,835 posts
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    Perhaps God created TIME.
  • Syrok Designer, Tarsier Studios 24 Jun 2007 10:06:30 14,033 posts
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    NewYork wrote:
    So, was "stuff" around forever, or did it come into being from nothing at some point?

    It's been around forever, not in the way it is now, but the main ingredients for everything have been since the beginning. Of course there is no beginning.
  • Xerx3s 24 Jun 2007 10:09:39 23,944 posts
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    Pirotic wrote:
    My faith in faith is restored, I googled image searched it and this was the first result (NOT SAFE FOR WORK!).

    so to conclude - faith is a good thing.

    Htf is that not safe for work? Instant promotion material I would say. :D

    As for the universe and matter; to look at something sooo big, one must first grasp the things that are smaller than atoms. It's sunday. I can't be arsed and that bacon pancake sounds really good right now.
  • Xerx3s 24 Jun 2007 10:11:41 23,944 posts
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    NewYork wrote:
    Perhaps God created TIME.

    Time is a concept that does not exist. We made it up to measure the passing of what we precieve. And that is not even a fraction of what there is.
  • Deleted user 24 June 2007 10:14:18
    Can I have that Bacon Pancake then?
  • morriss 24 Jun 2007 10:16:12 71,200 posts
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    I used to go to Sunday School when I was about six and the Priest had a Q&A session. I asked this question then.
  • Deleted user 24 June 2007 10:17:03
    morriss wrote:
    I used to go to Sunday School when I was about six and the Priest had a Q&A session. I asked this question then.
    ...and...?
  • deem 24 Jun 2007 10:17:41 31,641 posts
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  • morriss 24 Jun 2007 10:18:06 71,200 posts
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    No-one did.
  • Deleted user 24 June 2007 10:18:57
    Ah good, the suspense was killing me.
  • NewYork 24 Jun 2007 10:31:51 24,835 posts
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    AND THEN HE WAS MOLESTED.
  • warlockuk 24 Jun 2007 10:34:29 19,197 posts
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    The usual answer is nobody greated God as he always was and always will be.

    It's the same as the Christian question if we all came from the big bang where did the stuff for the big bang come from....

    When you get back to event 0 and ask where the first of anything came from it gets mentally weird as the existence of existence is inexplicably impossible. Existence itself shouldn't exist as there's nowhere for it to come from. Same, for the Christians, goes for God. Where'd he come from? etc...

    I find at these times it's always best to go have a lie down in a cool room or have a cup of tea.

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • Xerx3s 24 Jun 2007 10:36:17 23,944 posts
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    Contraction/expansion theory > big bang.
  • morriss 24 Jun 2007 10:41:41 71,200 posts
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    warlockuk wrote:


    I find at these times it's always best to go have a lie down in a cool room or have a cup of tea.

    :D
  • dirigiblebill 24 Jun 2007 10:43:18 1,634 posts
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    Chicken > egg
  • dirigiblebill 24 Jun 2007 10:45:09 1,634 posts
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    Alpha > Omega
  • Genji 24 Jun 2007 10:54:23 19,689 posts
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    woodnotes wrote:
    Stupid answers such as 'He just IS' will not be accepted.
    Buddy, that's about the best answer you're going to get. You can choose to accept or reject the answer, but there isn't going to be one that you will find satisfying.

    Even religious people don't claim to know about the true nature of God - His nature is beyond them. They don't know who He is, or where He came from. Evidently, that is no obstacle to their belief.
  • TwistidChimp 24 Jun 2007 10:54:38 8,825 posts
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    I've foung that to be the most popular religious logical obsurdity. I even read in some JW magazine an article about creationism, it had this 'scientist' saying, "the universe is too complex to have not been created, something cannot come from nothing." Oh really ? in that case it would have taken a god as complex as the universe we see to be able to create the universe, so if something cannot come from nothing, as he says, Who created god ? or come to that the god that created the god, and so on and so on. The bottom line is, if you can believe something can have existed forever, i.e. god, as most christians do, then why not, since there is no evidence for his existence, take god out of the equation and just say the universe has existed forever. Occam's razor ftw.

    Edited by TwistidChimp at 10:55:52 24-06-2007
  • Retroid Moderator 24 Jun 2007 10:55:26 45,097 posts
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    Xerx3s wrote:
    Contraction/expansion theory > big bang.
    Precisely.

    No material / energy was 'created' in the Big Bang, it just changed states.
  • Nasty 24 Jun 2007 10:56:25 4,749 posts
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    Rodimus Prime > Optimus Prime
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