Oz - The prison drama, not the wizard

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  • Universal_Hamster 15 Feb 2007 10:29:58 4,948 posts
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    Obviously I wont be happy until I have started a thread about every HBO show, so what do we make of Oz?
    The first series is just out now on DVD, and I picked it up after reading some rather hugely positive reviews. I have 1 more episode of series 1 to watch.

    Im in 2 minds about it. Its sometimes superb and sometimes a bit shit. The acting is generally great, but often lets itself down badly. (The guy playing the warden is most unconvincing)
    The characters are mostly hateful, but some you do slowly come to enjoy. I really like the guy in the wheelshair's rants to the camera, (Sorry, cant remember anyone's names yet) and as the series has gone on, Ive begun to get into it more and more into it. When the lawyer dude snaps and takes on JK Simmons nazi character, that made me cheer.

    It feels very proto-HBO, if you get my drift, but there are many seasons of it, running from the nineties into the noughties, so im interested to see how it may change. Is it worth staying in Oz?
  • Messiac 15 Feb 2007 10:49:23 3,465 posts
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    I have to say it was one of the mighty HBO's lesser offerings for me.

    The characters just didnt appeal to me the way other series did and some of them were pathetic like aforementioned warden tosser.

    Its also a bit one dimensional - doom gloom - prison cliches - dont bend over for the soap etc etc.

    Not bad but with so many other great shows its not something I can be bothered with.
  • yegon 15 Feb 2007 12:27:24 5,167 posts
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    I acquired the whole lot and watched all six seaons within about a year. Pretty good, I don't think "enjoy" is quite the right word though as it's very gritty and thoroughly depressing at times. I agree about it being a tad one dimensional.

    Jumped the shark in about S4 for me, can't put my finger on why. Maybe because it got a little repetitious - after so many arse burglaries, stabbings and vicious deaths you become a little desensitized to it (in the context of the programme, I might add ;).
  • w00t 15 Feb 2007 12:55:57 11,047 posts
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    Ooh - it's been released on DVD?

    /orders

    The day charity died - NEVER FORGET

    (the mic was OK in the end)

  • Locky 15 Feb 2007 13:23:05 583 posts
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    w00t wrote:
    Ooh - it's been released on DVD?

    /orders

    Yep, Season 1 (R2) is £15.89 at Choices and Sendit. I preordered a copy but haven't had a chance to watch it yet!

    The code BEST10 might still work to get 10% off that Choices price.

    Edited by Locky at 13:24:12 15-02-2007
  • PearOfAnguish 15 Feb 2007 13:31:18 7,138 posts
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    yegon wrote:
    Jumped the shark in about S4 for me, can't put my finger on why. Maybe because it got a little repetitious - after so many arse burglaries, stabbings and vicious deaths you become a little desensitized to it (in the context of the programme, I might add ;).

    It's because it got increasingly ridiculous and unbelievable. There were some utterly stupid story lines in 4, 5 & 6.
  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Jun 2007 10:02:55 35,426 posts
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    *bump*

    Just started watching this (seen about 3 episodes of season 1), and I think it's a bit meh, frankly. Unconvincing characters, cheap looks, and a bit pseudo with the guy shouting into the camera. It takes itself so seriously that it's often unintentionally funny.

    Not to forget the cliché b/w shaky cam flashbacks that disussedgenius mentioned in another thread yesterday.

    I am a sucker for prison films usually, but this isn't quite what I expected.

    I'll stick with it for now to see if I'll like it more after a few more episodes, but so far it's not nearly in the same league as the Sopranos or The Wire.

  • Aretak 4 Jun 2007 10:12:12 10,345 posts
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    I've actually just finished watching the first season on DVD yesterday (under £8 from Amazon), and I really liked it. The first season is apparently pretty tame compared to what follows in terms of violence and such, but I still thought it was excellent. I like the sequences with the guy from Lost ranting at the camera from inside his little box, and I've come to... well, like is probably not the right word, but be interested in some of the characters. I'll probably pick up the second season whenever they bother to release it (the DVD insert says it was due in May, but it's not out).
  • Deleted user 4 June 2007 11:15:19
    UncleLou wrote:Not to forget the cliché b/w shaky cam flashbacks that disussedgenius mentioned in another thread yesterday.

    ;_;
  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Jun 2007 11:19:37 35,426 posts
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    deathgibbon wrote:
    UncleLou wrote:Not to forget the cliché b/w shaky cam flashbacks that disussedgenius mentioned in another thread yesterday.

    ;_;

    Oha.

    *ahem*

    I am quite sorry, total memory failure. But then you both have these complicated long names which start with a "d". ;)
  • Deleted user 4 June 2007 11:22:23
    UncleLou wrote:
    deathgibbon wrote:
    UncleLou wrote:Not to forget the cliché b/w shaky cam flashbacks that disussedgenius mentioned in another thread yesterday.

    ;_;

    Oha.

    *ahem*

    I am quite sorry, total memory failure. But then you both have these complicated long names which start with a "d". ;)

    Hehe, not offended at all. When I'm scrolling through threads I can make the same mistake. :)

    But yes, totally agree with everything you said about Oz. One other thing - the theme tune. It just sounds so out of place and unintentionally hilarious (much like the "tough guy" moments).
  • Deleted user 25 July 2007 17:20:43
    Ja_Long wrote:
    /glares at Heroes, Lost and 24

    OK, the other are two understandable but come on. :|
  • Deleted user 25 July 2007 17:41:26
    Any justification for that or just your typical arrogant opinion? :)
  • Deleted user 25 July 2007 18:00:34
    I disagree that nothing happened, I thought it was fairly fast-moving. Or maybe because I'd been struggling through Lost beforehand it just felt that way!

    Nikki was incredibly dull too. Her story didn't feel that connected to the main arc up until the last few episodes when it became quite interesting. They probably could've introduced her later on, her character didn't feel fundamental to what was happening elsewhere.

    Apart from that, I thought it was an awesome show (although the finale did disappoint, especially compared to the battle we didn't quite see in the future episode). :/

    If you hated the series so much, why did you watch all the way to the finale?
  • Orange 25 Jul 2007 19:31:01 4,656 posts
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    I loved it at the time and I do view it as a memorable show even though it jumped the shark late on and had the occasional character and plot lines which didn't work.

    Ryan O'Reily and Adebesi are great characters, I'd put them up there with the best TV villains. How can you not be entertained by O'Reily routinely fucking everyone over? :)

    The Beecher and Shillinger storyline is also a cool one, I also liked the guy who played Said, he really had the "intense look" nailed down :p
  • myminpins 18 Sep 2008 11:49:00 1 posts
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    I know this is an old thread but I am just watching the series now. I see a lot of you are from Europe so may not appreciate what a good show it is - mostly because a ton of TV these days from USA is just so much crap! I'm really enjoying the show and am just starting season 6. The very first episode of Season 6 has me completely baffled, though, because some things happened that aren't explained and a few other things (don't want to spoil it for anyone). Anyone who's watched the show a ton who can help me out would be wonderful.

    I loved the twists and turns some of the plots took - I thought it was wonderful. There were parts that were kind of blah but, for the most part, I thought it was great.

    I wish it was still running and they were creating new episodes.


    When was it mentioned Beecher got moved to another unit?????

    I thought Beecher's son was dead. Who is this six year old son???? Where'd he come from??? I'm completely confused.....
  • Vice.Destroyer 18 Sep 2008 12:07:57 5,823 posts
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    It's been so long since I saw Season 6, I really can't help you. Season 6 is finally going to be released on DVD here in the UK. A full 6 years after it was shown on TV.

    And if anyone asks, Adebisi and Schillinger are the best villains. EVER.

    Who can forget Adebisi buggering Nicky Scibetta (spellng), while listening to his 80's walkman and headphones? And giving his arse a porno slap for good measure?

    Or a few seasons later, Nicky trying to assert his manhood and picking a fight with the Aryans, only to be overpowered and then buggered by them all, with Schillinger asking "I always wondered who had the bigger dick out of Adebisi and me. Maybe you can tell us".

    It was grim in the extreme, but still very watchable.
  • Orange 18 Sep 2008 12:18:54 4,656 posts
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    Thing about Oz is that at the time it was out there was really nothing else like it on TV. TV was still showing shite like Prisoner Cell Block H, so seeing Oz compared to that was absolutely startling. Shows like The Wire and The Sopranos have surpassed it and made it look quite tame and theatrical in comparison now though.
  • Vice.Destroyer 18 Sep 2008 12:30:21 5,823 posts
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    +1.

    I remember watching the first episode on Homechoice (some sort of early vide on demand service) and a prison guard welcoming the newly incarcerated prisoners.

    "No fighting. No cursing. Nu fucking"

    That set the tone and I was hooked from that point on.
  • sargulesh 25 Aug 2009 12:46:56 3,281 posts
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    Do want.
  • Psychotext 6 Apr 2012 20:32:59 53,815 posts
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    Started watching this very recently, crazy how many people I recognise from other shows in it.

    Enjoying it on the whole, though it's gotten a little formulaic in the 4th season. Not to mention they seem to have forgotten that emerald city is supposed to be an experiment.
  • yegon 6 Apr 2012 20:49:24 5,167 posts
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    Haha, I was about to grumble about Season 4 onwards until I twigged I'd already said it 5 years ago :)

    True about how many recognisable actors were in it. Saw most of them in Oz before a lot other things, I always think of La Guerta from Dexter as the nurse, and it's hard to think of Liz Lemons's ex in 30 Rock as anyone other than the nutjob O'Reilly. Same goes for the guy who plays a cop in Fringe, can't remember his Oz name but I'll always remember his ultra loser character.

    Adebisi was incredible, not least for how he kept that hat on at such a jaunty angle.

    Edited by yegon at 20:50:57 06-04-2012
  • Psychotext 6 Apr 2012 20:53:44 53,815 posts
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    Ha, I was wondering about that. He must have had some velcro. :)
  • ronuds 6 Apr 2012 21:01:38 21,788 posts
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    I don't remember when it starts going downhill, but it was a pretty quick descent from what I do remember. The last couple seasons were almost comical in how bad they were.

    I still remember the show fondly as a whole, though.
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