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  • Blaketown 8 Sep 2013 10:14:08 4,636 posts
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    Fallacy kills this!


    Edited by Blaketown at 10:14:46 08-09-2013

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • BillMurray 10 Sep 2013 00:15:20 7,624 posts
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    Thoroughly enjoying Quasimoto right now. So good.

    Also, this video,

    Quit brilliant.

    Edited by BillMurray at 00:27:00 10-09-2013
  • kalel 10 Sep 2013 13:49:52 86,448 posts
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    New J-Zone today! \o/
  • smoothpete 10 Sep 2013 14:33:03 31,371 posts
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    I used to really like J-Zone, I'll check it out.

    In the mean time, an 8 hour (!) 90s and 80s rap mix :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCi15d3wuXU
  • kalel 10 Sep 2013 14:36:51 86,448 posts
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    He retired, wrote a really brilliant funny and bitter book about hip-hop, then released a new album.

    Haven't actually listened to the new one yet, but I'm willing to bet it's good. He's just a very intelligent guy with a solid understanding of what makes hip hop good.
  • Blaketown 10 Sep 2013 22:39:25 4,636 posts
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    Heard lots of positive things about J Zone but never actually heard any of his music.

    I should probably sort that out.

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • kalel 11 Sep 2013 08:58:00 86,448 posts
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    Wow, that's a big gap for you. Your knowledge tends to be bordering on encyclopaedic :p

    He's great. Very intelligent and funny, and knows how to use all the classic hip hop tropes effectively whilst also being slightly ironic and uncliched.

    I'd definitely start at the beginning with Music for Tu Madre and go from there. There's kind of a narrative to his albums. They start out a bit rough and raw but that's kind of the beauty of them as well.

    And again, his book is really superb.
  • smoothpete 11 Sep 2013 09:06:51 31,371 posts
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    I've only really heard Pimps Don't Pay Taxes. Great album.

    Here you go:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfNfm9ig27U&list=PL8dW5cAgqNojEY8qLOC9xYVaJ8RqLbaQW
  • smoothpete 13 Sep 2013 09:55:26 31,371 posts
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    smoothpete wrote:
    In the mean time, an 8 hour (!) 90s and 80s rap mix :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCi15d3wuXU
    This is excellent by the way!
  • Blaketown 13 Sep 2013 13:11:47 4,636 posts
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    BillMurray wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z73FthAvt34

    Thoroughly enjoying Quasimoto right now. So good.

    Also, this video,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECGcQ6_Fj0Y

    Quite brilliant.
    Anyone who likes Madlib should probably give the G&D album, Lighthouse, from earlier in the year a spin.
    It's Georgia Anne Muldrow & Dudley Perkins, both Madlib collaborators, now married and making brilliant raw, trippy R&B/Rap songs.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_VM-x9MCeA

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • Blaketown 13 Sep 2013 13:24:30 4,636 posts
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    Found this little nugget the other day too. Might be of interest to any fellow old folks.

    The Hieroglyphics Crew in 1993
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ze5XYCOMw

    Edit: Their new album is worth checking out by the way.

    Edited by Blaketown at 13:26:07 13-09-2013

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • Blaketown 13 Sep 2013 13:48:17 4,636 posts
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    Really enjoying that J-Zone Music For Tu Madre album.

    Sounds like a lost Rawkus album.

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • elstoof 13 Sep 2013 15:35:17 6,673 posts
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    Initial impressions of Peter Pan Syndrome are good, but then I'm a huge fan of the Zone. Must admit I was worried it might disappoint after such a long lay off, I'll give it a good few spins this weekend I think.
  • Futaba 14 Sep 2013 12:00:10 3,464 posts
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    I'm going to a DJ set by DJ Shadow next month :) Anyone else seen him live before?

    Edited by Futaba at 12:00:42 14-09-2013

    As far back as I can remember I always wanted to be a ninja.

  • elstoof 14 Sep 2013 12:14:50 6,673 posts
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    I can't for the life of me figure out why J-Zone wasn't more famous and why he doesn't have a queue of people waiting for him to produce for them.
  • BillMurray 14 Sep 2013 19:42:22 7,624 posts
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    Been on a huge Madlib/Quasimoto binge still. Great stuff.


    Futaba wrote:
    I'm going to a DJ set by DJ Shadow next month :) Anyone else seen him live before?
    I seem to recall i've seen him live before. It was in a very busy/sweaty bar in Sheffield and I spent most of the time outside making awkward small talk with my sister's friends. He's apparently really good though!

    Edited by BillMurray at 19:42:33 14-09-2013

    Edited by BillMurray at 19:43:11 14-09-2013
  • smoothpete 17 Sep 2013 11:33:02 31,371 posts
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    I'm just going to put that 8 hour mix on repeat for the rest of my life.

    I hadn't heard this for years:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1msxXg-K2LE
  • Blaketown 19 Sep 2013 12:25:18 4,636 posts
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    Fiyah!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsZZ8caB5dw

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • kalel 19 Sep 2013 12:34:13 86,448 posts
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    Major truth bombs.

    The problem (as he sort of acknowledges himself) is that anyone who needs to be hearing this message won't be listening, so he just ends up preaching to the choir. This generally the problem with all "conscious" hip hop.

    The early 90s West Coast scene really have a lot to answer for. Their influence on the lyrical content of hip hop has been unbelievably profound, to the point where even MCs who aren't talking about guns and violence spend most of their time talking about how they're NOT talking about guns and violence.

    I really don't know how that cycle can ever get broken. I guess someone like Macklemore becoming huge is pretty significant in that respect.
  • elstoof 19 Sep 2013 12:54:23 6,673 posts
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    Is Macklemore that big in the rap scene? I thought he was it's tapping into that mainstream Robin Thicke/Gorillaz/Lupe Fiasco sort of market. I can't imagine he's sharing too many playlists with Master P.
  • Blaketown 19 Sep 2013 13:06:37 4,636 posts
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    Naval gazing has always been a hip hop staple though. The most popular topic for a Hip Hop song is Hip Hop itself. Whether it's "my hip hop is the realest" or "my hip hop is the most intelligent". Not sure why that is but I suspect it isn't going anywhere any time soon.

    To be fair, if the predominant paradigm was intelligent Hip Hop there would probably be a million underground cats rapping about how Hip Hop should be more dumb and violent.

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • Blaketown 19 Sep 2013 13:07:53 4,636 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Is Macklemore that big in the rap scene? I thought he was it's tapping into that mainstream Robin Thicke/Gorillaz/Lupe Fiasco sort of market. I can't imagine he's sharing too many playlists with Master P.
    Never knowingly heard a Macklemore song. I'm working on the assumption I'm not missing much.

    Edit: Actually, he was on a Zion I track on their Atomic Clock album so that is a total lie.

    Edited by Blaketown at 13:09:46 19-09-2013

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • elstoof 19 Sep 2013 13:12:46 6,673 posts
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    Blaketown wrote:
    Naval gazing has always been a hip hop staple though.
    Probably all the weed, every stoner I've ever met is a navel gazer.
  • smoothpete 19 Sep 2013 13:13:56 31,371 posts
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    Thrift Shop is a genuinely good hip hop track, IMO.
  • kalel 19 Sep 2013 13:14:50 86,448 posts
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    I don't think navel gazing has always been a staple, it's really a 90s thing. It went a good decade or so just because about getting up, and getting down, and throwing hands in the air, and waving them, and not caring etc.

    Seriously though, even up to late 80s stuff like early De La and Ultramagnetic and even Public Enemy, it still really hadn't got into the proper self-reflective navel gazing stuff yet. It was starting to have something to say beyond party people crap, but at that point conscious hip hop was being political or whatever. It hadn't quite turned into a constant running commentary on hip hop itself.
  • kalel 19 Sep 2013 13:17:51 86,448 posts
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    Oh and Macklemore is good imo, and very mainstream indeed. That's what I mean about him coming huge. If he can become popular in the same way the likes of Eminem and Jay-Z have, then perhaps we are finally starting to get out this endless cycle of reflective hip hop.

    Not that he's got anything particularly meaningful to say mind you, apart from that one song about how shit the hip hop scene is to gay people, and that ironically is very navel gazey...
  • Blaketown 19 Sep 2013 13:21:55 4,636 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    It hadn't quite turned into a constant running commentary on hip hop itself.
    Your probably doing a bit of a disservice to a lot of rappers there. It's certainly more predominant than it needs to be but any concious rapper will have plenty of political / social commentary to go along with the tracks about rap being dead.

    Your right though. Can't think of any examples pre-1991 or so.

    Edited by Blaketown at 13:23:27 19-09-2013

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • kalel 19 Sep 2013 13:41:59 86,448 posts
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    Blaketown wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    It hadn't quite turned into a constant running commentary on hip hop itself.
    Your probably doing a bit of a disservice to a lot of rappers there. It's certainly more predominant than it needs to be but any concious rapper will have plenty of political / social commentary to go along with the tracks about rap being dead.

    Your right though. Can't think of any examples pre-1991 or so.
    Yeah, that was a touch of hyperbole. There are plenty of MC out there with plenty to say about lots of things, but yeah, my real point is that pre-90 ish, that was everyone.
  • imamazed 19 Sep 2013 14:34:57 5,524 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Blaketown wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    It hadn't quite turned into a constant running commentary on hip hop itself.
    Your probably doing a bit of a disservice to a lot of rappers there. It's certainly more predominant than it needs to be but any concious rapper will have plenty of political / social commentary to go along with the tracks about rap being dead.

    Your right though. Can't think of any examples pre-1991 or so.
    Yeah, that was a touch of hyperbole. There are plenty of MC out there with plenty to say about lots of things, but yeah, my real point is that pre-90 ish, that was everyone.
    Spot on. That was Noel Gallagher's (heavily misunderstood) point about Jay-Z headlining glastonbury a few years back.
  • smoothpete 23 Sep 2013 10:55:12 31,371 posts
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    DJ Premier is a genius IMHO.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOQzPN7JDDg
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