TV Licensing - where do I stand? Page 5

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  • ZuluHero 16 Apr 2013 14:34:52 4,142 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Not a great deal of difference between ITV and BBC1 in my opinion, I try and avoid both of them.
    Have you seen some of the documentaries on the BBC? Amazing! THAT'S the difference between ITV and BBC, and it's as different as night and day :)
  • localnotail 16 Apr 2013 14:52:59 23,093 posts
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    rudedudejude wrote:
    Radio 4 is nice, but some of the comedy on there is 100% cringeworthy.
    I am not a fan of some of it (wish Count Arthur Strong would die) but Radio 4 has been the birthplace of some brilliant comedy that has gone on to TV, including The League of Gentleman and of course On The Hour (-> The Day Today, Brass Eye, Alan Partridge).

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • X201 16 Apr 2013 14:56:55 15,370 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    rudedudejude wrote:
    Radio 4 is nice, but some of the comedy on there is 100% cringeworthy.
    (wish Count Arthur Strong would die)
    I wouldn't go that far (just a lifetime banishment from all forms of broadcasting would suffice), but I agree with the sentiment. It strikes me as a very very poor attempt at a Shuttleworths rip-off.
  • Deleted user 16 April 2013 15:41:47
    ZuluHero wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    Not a great deal of difference between ITV and BBC1 in my opinion, I try and avoid both of them.
    Have you seen some of the documentaries on the BBC? Amazing! THAT'S the difference between ITV and BBC, and it's as different as night and day :)
    When stuff like Horizon and Attenborough docs are held up in high regard you know we're in trouble. Tosh, the lot of it, sadly
  • kalel 16 Apr 2013 15:50:50 87,584 posts
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    A lot of the best stuff on the Beeb makes a fortune from being sold abroad, so I do wonder how much they require the license fee for it.

    Also ITV isn't the only ad-funded channel. Channel 4 has extremely high broadcasting standards for the most part, and can stand toe-to-toe with the beeb in terms of comedy output and news.
  • TheSaint 16 Apr 2013 15:58:29 14,371 posts
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    ZuluHero wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    Not a great deal of difference between ITV and BBC1 in my opinion, I try and avoid both of them.
    Have you seen some of the documentaries on the BBC? Amazing! THAT'S the difference between ITV and BBC, and it's as different as night and day :)
    Some people would probably argue that the ITV dramas like Downtown are far superior than their BBC counterparts so as I say not a great deal to choose between them. I don't think the typical EG user is the target demographic for either of these channels though.
  • faux_carnation 16 Apr 2013 15:58:47 9,335 posts
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    Blah blah ITV, Channel 4. Come back when commercial broadcasting comes up with an equivalent to the World Service.

    The BBC is one of the only things we can be genuinely proud of in this country, and long may it stay that way.
  • CosmicFuzz 16 Apr 2013 16:01:06 24,242 posts
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    Channel five was great until they stopped showing porn late on a friday night.

    Our month-long focus on indie games starts with my look at the PS4's best game (still): Resogun!

  • kalel 16 Apr 2013 16:07:06 87,584 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    Blah blah ITV, Channel 4. Come back when commercial broadcasting comes up with an equivalent to the World Service.

    The BBC is one of the only things we can be genuinely proud of in this country, and long may it stay that way.
    This is nothing to do with the license discussion. Nobody is asking for the Beeb to be abolished. The question is whether its funding model is necessary (and perhaps even immoral).
  • faux_carnation 16 Apr 2013 16:13:17 9,335 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    faux_carnation wrote:
    Blah blah ITV, Channel 4. Come back when commercial broadcasting comes up with an equivalent to the World Service.

    The BBC is one of the only things we can be genuinely proud of in this country, and long may it stay that way.
    This is nothing to do with the license discussion. Nobody is asking for the Beeb to be abolished. The question is whether its funding model is necessary (and perhaps even immoral).
    I think there's too many people discussing the merits of ITV vs BBC1, which is what I was getting at.

    There's no doubt that BBC1 could survive as a commercial station with ads. The importance of the license fee IMHO is to pay for things which could not support themselves commercially; that's the real public service which is facilitated by it. It would be fairer and easier to just take it as a tax directly from everyone in the country regardless of how much media they consume. Then there's be no quibbling over who does and doesn't need a TV license. I have a feeling that's an idea that will go down like a lead balloon though.
  • Dougs 16 Apr 2013 16:13:20 67,668 posts
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    X201 wrote:

    The Govt. ring-fenced 600 million but it came in under budget and the Beeb are handing back almost half.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/apr/19/bbc-digital-switchover-funds
    Most of which is being used to as a Govt subsidy for superfast broadband in rural areas.
  • ZuluHero 16 Apr 2013 16:15:12 4,142 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    ZuluHero wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    Not a great deal of difference between ITV and BBC1 in my opinion, I try and avoid both of them.
    Have you seen some of the documentaries on the BBC? Amazing! THAT'S the difference between ITV and BBC, and it's as different as night and day :)
    Some people would probably argue that the ITV dramas like Downtown are far superior than their BBC counterparts so as I say not a great deal to choose between them. I don't think the typical EG user is the target demographic for either of these channels though.
    I agree :)
  • Dougs 16 Apr 2013 16:20:55 67,668 posts
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    Downton rocks!
  • kalel 16 Apr 2013 16:33:12 87,584 posts
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    I personally think people overstate the importance of things like the world service. I certainly don't think it's so utterly fundamental that it should effectively be a tax that we all pay for without choice.
  • kalel 16 Apr 2013 16:34:52 87,584 posts
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    Incidentally the world service will only start being funded by the license from next year. It never has been in the past.
  • rudedudejude 16 Apr 2013 16:35:41 2,172 posts
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    It would be fairer and easier to just take it as a tax directly from everyone in the country regardless of how much media they consume.
    That's almost how it is currently done, it's a tax to receive broadcast TV channels no matter how much of those you consume. They just put a small proviso in there that you must watch broadcast tv.

    I think you're suggesting every single UK resident be taxed this amount which would be quite strange. I guess if it worked out as something like 5 each it woulnd't be too bad. But then maybe everyone would get a vote in how it's ran or something?
  • RightBean 16 Apr 2013 16:39:12 642 posts
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    I don't know about documentaries Discovery channel, national geographic etc have adverts. being fully commercialised doesn't seem to be an impediment to high quality educational material. Things like planet earth were co-financed by discovery channel
  • Dougs 16 Apr 2013 16:40:58 67,668 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    I personally think people overstate the importance of things like the world service. I certainly don't think it's so utterly fundamental that it should effectively be a tax that we all pay for without choice.
    Interestingly, it wouldn't get past Europe these days, on state aid and competition grounds. It only survives as it's historical
  • faux_carnation 16 Apr 2013 16:41:20 9,335 posts
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    rudedudejude wrote:
    It would be fairer and easier to just take it as a tax directly from everyone in the country regardless of how much media they consume.
    That's almost how it is currently done, it's a tax to receive broadcast TV channels no matter how much of those you consume. They just put a small proviso in there that you must watch broadcast tv.

    I think you're suggesting every single UK resident be taxed this amount which would be quite strange. I guess if it worked out as something like 5 each it woulnd't be too bad. But then maybe everyone would get a vote in how it's ran or something?
    Why would it be strange? We all have to pay for a standing army which is completely irrelevant to most people's lives and we get no say in how that's run. The BBC does more good work for Britain abroad than any amount of army could do.
  • EMarkM 16 Apr 2013 16:41:30 3,173 posts
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    X201 wrote:
    EMarkM wrote:

    What other organisations receive money from the licence fee?
    See the link I posted above, Govt. is using license fee cash to fund broadband and the "Local TV" plan.
    I'll have a look; thanks :)
  • caligari 25 Apr 2013 21:22:27 17,044 posts
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    I had a change of heart and asked them to keep up my monthly Direct Debits.

    I do listen to quite a bit of football on Radio 5 - and regularly use the website for news/iPlayer (for the odd episode of QI - if nothing else). It would be a bit mean of me to expect it for free whilst others fund it.

    Edited by caligari at 21:29:46 25-04-2013
  • TarickStonefire 28 Apr 2013 15:40:46 3,091 posts
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    @anthonypappa A video of loads of tight northerners intimidating folk that come to check they've got the license that everyone with a TV knows they're supposed to have.

    Oooh, what a lot of Big Men they are.

    Any Netflix library in the world for a couple of quid a month? Gimme!

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