Al Pacino - yay or nay?

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  • kalel 7 Aug 2006 15:42:37 86,245 posts
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    Was watching Godfather the other day on Film 4, and as always I was struck by the quality of Pacino's performance. So subtle, so meaningful, I don't want to sound prententious but it really is a beautiful thing. One of the greatest performances I've seen in an actor.

    However, at some point in his career it's almost as if someone whispered in his ear "Hey Al, you're good for sure, but you know what would make you better? Shouting. I for one would like to see you shout more. Can you do that?"

    Why did he get so shouty? What happened? Has anyone else found the post 70's Pacino unbearable shouty and at time hammey, or is it another of my weird Gary Oldman/Forest Whitaker things that I am doomed to forever argue with peeps about?
  • Flightrisker 7 Aug 2006 15:44:19 18,096 posts
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    Sadly he has become a charicature of what made him so great.

    Like DeNiro.
  • Deleted user 7 August 2006 15:44:31
    He was good in Scarface. After that it's pretty easy to forget what he's even been in.
  • TwistidChimp 7 Aug 2006 15:45:24 8,825 posts
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    Scent of a Woman was excellent I thought.
  • El_MUERkO 7 Aug 2006 15:46:14 16,948 posts
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    whats wrong with forest whitaker?

    thats a lot of w's :D
  • deem 7 Aug 2006 15:46:44 31,641 posts
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  • ssuellid 7 Aug 2006 15:46:48 19,141 posts
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    Pretty good non shouty in: -

    Insomnia
    Donnie Brasco
    Scent of a Woman.
  • UncleLou Moderator 7 Aug 2006 15:48:02 35,421 posts
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    kalel wrote:

    Why did he get so shouty? What happened? Has anyone else found the post 70's Pacino unbearable shouty and at time hammey, or is it another of my weird Gary Oldman/Forest Whitaker things that I am doomed to forever argue with peeps about?

    What, you hate Oldman as well?

    /hugs

    We won't agree about Whitaker, but Oldman is just terrible.
  • pistol 7 Aug 2006 15:48:11 13,019 posts
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    He's also done a lot of really good theatre work which sometimes gets overlooked. It's some of those performances that got him the recognition. Still an awesome talent if you ask me.
  • ssuellid 7 Aug 2006 15:50:29 19,141 posts
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    Dennis Hopper has been worse for the shouty crap films imo - apart from True Romance he seems to be playing the same character in just about every recent film I've seen.
  • UncleLou Moderator 7 Aug 2006 15:50:41 35,421 posts
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    Oh, and I (partly) agree about Pacino. He tends to act a bit like a parody of himself in recent years.
  • kalel 7 Aug 2006 15:50:52 86,245 posts
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    pistol wrote:
    He's also done a lot of really good theatre work which sometimes gets overlooked. It's some of those performances that got him the recognition. Still an awesome talent if you ask me.

    Actually that's a good point, but often stage acting comes across as very hammy on screen. Jude Law is a good example, he is a tremendous stage actor, but comes across as 'weird' somehow on screen.

    I personally found him very shouty in Scent of a Woman in parts. I did enjoy him recently in Insomnia though, but yeah, mostly I find him a bit rubbish these days.
  • Tomo 7 Aug 2006 15:51:24 13,878 posts
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    Pacino's still got it. More so that De Niro. I think they both have to be honest, they just need someone to give them a really decent role. Scorcese should do something with them both in it or something altho he seems to have begun nuturing younger blood now.
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    ssuellid wrote:
    Dennis Hopper has been worse for the shouty crap films imo - apart from True Romance he seems to be playing the same character in just about every recent film I've seen.

    You can't bad mouth Dennis Hopper MAAAANNN!!!
  • kalel 7 Aug 2006 15:52:28 86,245 posts
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    ssuellid wrote:
    Dennis Hopper has been worse for the shouty crap films imo - apart from True Romance he seems to be playing the same character in just about every recent film I've seen.

    He's a bit of a joke to be honest, apart from Blue Velvet and True Romance as you say, a lot of his more recent (post 70s) films have been awful. Wasn't he in Super Mario??
  • Tomo 7 Aug 2006 15:53:00 13,878 posts
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    Apocalypse Now muthas.
  • marilena 7 Aug 2006 15:53:24 8,198 posts
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    Pacino is one of those actors that are only good at one role. He's usually good in it, mind you, but it's still just one role. The same goes for DeNiro.

    Another thing that can be said about both of them is that they've become really crap lately, even at doing their one trick. And their films keep getting worse.
  • ssuellid 7 Aug 2006 15:53:35 19,141 posts
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    boabg wrote:
    You can't bad mouth Dennis Hopper MAAAANNN!!!

    His filmography does it for me

    Edited by ssuellid at 15:54:20 07-08-2006
  • kalel 7 Aug 2006 15:56:16 86,245 posts
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    marilena wrote:
    Pacino is one of those actors that are only good at one role. He's usually good in it, mind you, but it's still just one role. The same goes for DeNiro.

    WROOOOONG!
  • kalel 7 Aug 2006 15:57:32 86,245 posts
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    ssuellid wrote:
    boabg wrote:
    You can't bad mouth Dennis Hopper MAAAANNN!!!

    His filmography does it for me

    Edited by ssuellid at 15:54:20 07-08-2006

    Holy shit that's a lot of crap films!! o_O
  • T.G. 7 Aug 2006 16:01:07 5,989 posts
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    Al Pacino = Yay.
  • morriss 7 Aug 2006 16:02:18 70,911 posts
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    He shouted for a while but then I thnk he went back to his best: the turning point being Donny Brasco. He's been great since. His performance in Angels of America is stunning.
  • Tomo 7 Aug 2006 16:05:56 13,878 posts
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    Holy crap. Hopper has down at least a million films. No wonder about 3 of them are great!
  • marilena 7 Aug 2006 16:06:51 8,198 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    He shouted for a while but then I thnk he went back to his best: the turning point being Donny Brasco. He's been great since.

    What?
    Are you sure?
  • morriss 7 Aug 2006 16:07:53 70,911 posts
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    marilena wrote:
    morriss wrote:
    He shouted for a while but then I thnk he went back to his best: the turning point being Donny Brasco. He's been great since.

    What?
    Are you sure?

    Shit films, yes. I thought his acting ability was on trial here not his choice of movie?
  • marilena 7 Aug 2006 16:09:20 8,198 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    marilena wrote:
    morriss wrote:
    He shouted for a while but then I thnk he went back to his best: the turning point being Donny Brasco. He's been great since.

    What?
    Are you sure?

    Shit films, yes. I thought his acting ability was on trial here not his choice of movie?

    He was awful in S1mone. He seemed to be drunk most of the time, even when the character wasn't.
  • morriss 7 Aug 2006 16:10:38 70,911 posts
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    Fair enough. I was talking about his shouting though, also he's not been great in 'every' film he's done since Brasco, it's just for me, that is what piqued my interest again after Sea of Love et 'al'. ;)
  • kincaide 7 Aug 2006 16:11:07 5,063 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Was watching Godfather the other day on Film 4, and as always I was struck by the quality of Pacino's performance. So subtle, so meaningful, I don't want to sound prententious but it really is a beautiful thing. One of the greatest performances I've seen in an actor.

    However, at some point in his career it's almost as if someone whispered in his ear "Hey Al, you're good for sure, but you know what would make you better? Shouting. I for one would like to see you shout more. Can you do that?"

    Why did he get so shouty? What happened? Has anyone else found the post 70's Pacino unbearable shouty and at time hammey, or is it another of my weird Gary Oldman/Forest Whitaker things that I am doomed to forever argue with peeps about?

    Agreed - he won an oscar for Scent of a Woman and from that point decided shouting "WHOO_YAH" = great acting

    It's got to the point where I now avoid Al's movies. Shame.

    EDIT - Pancino = NAY

    Edited by kincaide at 16:13:01 07-08-2006
  • morriss 7 Aug 2006 16:13:31 70,911 posts
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    He's also teh swesomes in Glengarry Glenross and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise!!11
  • Latin 7 Aug 2006 16:13:41 3,592 posts
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    OMG he was in Gigli! Didn't know this as i've avoided that film like the plague. Clearly he must have only been in for a couple of minutes so we'll let him off, but what the hell is Christopher Walken doing in that movie?
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