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  • nickthegun 8 Jan 2013 16:32:54 44,527 posts
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    I read about that and, yeah, it sounds cool. Except for the spectre.

    Oh and I found The Massive quite boring and stopped reading it after half a dozen issues, same with Manhattan Projects.

    The Massive, particularly, is pretty turgid.

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  • khaz 8 Jan 2013 18:27:14 2,132 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Its not really a retcon. It was a solution to the very real problem that the whole point of the x-men is that mutants are a persecuted minority. When the population expands to the point where they have their own city and you cant walk down a street without tripping over someone with eight arms, you have a fundamental shift in what the book is about.

    But then it went the other way and reduced the population so drastically, you couldnt have the warring ideologies anymore. Which was fine for a while but ultimately unsustainable.

    In summary: the x-men suck. Ive read them in a reasonably dedicated fashion for a while and I cant keep a track of whats going on. There is no internal continuity between books, so fuck them.
    You and me clearly see M-Day as totally different things. If Marvel had any balls they would have taken the whole "Mutants are the next strand of evolution" and gone with it all the way like Grant Morrison was doing. The marvel universe could have taken a fundamental shift towards something more expansive, inclusive and epic but whatever. This is all just speculation of course but it makes perfect sense in my head.

    But they just reverted to the status quo - warring ideologies as you said - because the mainstream American stuff has no interest in anything but that.

    And I agree, I can't take the x-men seriously whatsoever since Whedon.
  • nickthegun 8 Jan 2013 18:34:12 44,527 posts
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    Yeah, they basically had a choice: either take 'humans are a dead species' thing to its logical conclusion or do M-Day.

    Since m-day is getting the series back to its roots and the other choice has far reaching implications for the rest of the marvel universe, they werent left with much of a choice, really.

    It was an interesting idea but, ultimately, one that wont work in a broad universe.

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  • darkmorgado 8 Jan 2013 19:27:50 22,557 posts
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    As much as I love Morrison's work (and loved his run on X-Men), it was his run on X-Men that really is to blame for everything from M-Day onwards. If he hadn't suddenly exploded the mutant population overnight to the point we ended up with entire mutant districts in New York, which was completely unsustainable, we wouldn't have needed House of M, Second Coming, Messiah War, Schism, AvX or any of that.

    I think Marvel realised they'd gone too far the other way with M-Day though, so AvX was them attempting to redress the balance and get back to the traditional status-quo.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 19:29:03 08-01-2013

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  • SambaApe 13 Jan 2013 11:30:43 811 posts
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    Anyone read the first two editions of Borderlands: Origins?

    I'm actually massively surprised.. :)
  • morriss 13 Jan 2013 12:54:32 69,382 posts
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    I think Grnt Morrison's work is a convoluted mess that people say they understand/appreciate so as not to feel stupid. He really is the living embodiment of The Emperor's New Clothes.

    Anyone grab Star Wars #1?
  • khaz 13 Jan 2013 17:07:45 2,132 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    I think Grnt Morrison's work is a convoluted mess that people say they understand/appreciate so as not to feel stupid. He really is the living embodiment of The Emperor's New Clothes.

    Anyone grab Star Wars #1?
    Debatable but The Filth, All Star Superman, New X-Men and his work on Batman says otherwise.
  • morriss 13 Jan 2013 17:16:05 69,382 posts
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    I'm talking about his work on Batman. Utter wank.
  • khaz 13 Jan 2013 17:19:32 2,132 posts
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    I dunno, I kinda liked it. And I like how he digs up old stuff and manages to write it into the modern books.
  • darkmorgado 13 Jan 2013 17:20:24 22,557 posts
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    The Batman: RIP arc was tripe.

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  • senso-ji 13 Jan 2013 20:32:56 4,559 posts
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    Morrison's creator owned stuff is much better than the DC/Marvel IPs he's helmed. I think it's because he's more interested in exploring the scientific and/or philosophical side of superheroes as opposed to their heroic endeavours.

    I loved the Invisibles, but New X-men wasn't that good; although the issue with no dialogue where the telepaths navigate through Professor X's mind was brilliant.
  • darkmorgado 13 Jan 2013 21:48:25 22,557 posts
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    I loved his New X-Men work :) Especially his work with Beast, Cyclops and Phoenix.

    His book is pretty good, though it does go a bit far into spiritual mumbo-jumbo towards the end.

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  • morriss 14 Jan 2013 10:15:31 69,382 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    The Batman: RIP arc was tripe.
    It was the worst thing to happen to comics in my lifetime.

    Edited by morriss at 10:15:50 14-01-2013
  • nickthegun 14 Jan 2013 10:20:51 44,527 posts
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    A lifetime that includes batman having his back broken and replaced with the worst character in DC history?

    Or, outside of batman, the rampant shite of the early 90s?

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  • kalel 14 Jan 2013 10:21:15 76,470 posts
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    All of these guys do better work on their own projects. The hero stuff just pays the bills. The likes of Bendis, Azarello, Morrison, Millar, Vaughn etc all do far far more meaningful and interesting stuff off their own backs.

    That said, most of Morrion's stuff doesn't really do it for me. I loved We3 and Doom Patrol, but most of it's a bit weird. Filth was ridiculous.
  • morriss 14 Jan 2013 10:26:14 69,382 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    A lifetime that includes batman having his back broken and replaced with the worst character in DC history?

    Or, outside of batman, the rampant shite of the early 90s?
    Yep.
  • darkmorgado 14 Jan 2013 10:41:11 22,557 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    A lifetime that includes batman having his back broken and replaced with the worst character in DC history?

    Or, outside of batman, the rampant shite of the early 90s?
    I liked Azrael :(

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  • nickthegun 14 Jan 2013 10:44:01 44,527 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    All of these guys do better work on their own projects. The hero stuff just pays the bills. The likes of Bendis, Azarello, Morrison, Millar, Vaughn etc all do far far more meaningful and interesting stuff off their own backs.
    I dont know if thats true about morrisson anymore. unless hes got some poseur mission of 'changing the system from the inside' he is well established as part of the mainstream furniture now. I think he does mainstream because he likes mainstream.

    And, yes, The Filth is idiotic.

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  • nickthegun 14 Jan 2013 10:46:57 44,527 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    A lifetime that includes batman having his back broken and replaced with the worst character in DC history?

    Or, outside of batman, the rampant shite of the early 90s?
    I liked Azrael :(
    because it was aimed at you and everyone else who buys every mainstream comic ever released. Its so telling that (afaik) he hasnt re-emerged in this ridiculous new continuity yet.

    Literally the only good thing about the whole thing was Joe Quesadas art.

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  • darkmorgado 14 Jan 2013 10:48:47 22,557 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    A lifetime that includes batman having his back broken and replaced with the worst character in DC history?

    Or, outside of batman, the rampant shite of the early 90s?
    I liked Azrael :(
    because it was aimed at you and everyone else who buys every mainstream comic ever released. Its so telling that (afaik) he hasnt re-emerged in this ridiculous new continuity yet.
    He'll be back eventually. It's DC, they're incapable of not bringing back even the worst bits of old continuity.

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  • khaz 14 Jan 2013 19:26:11 2,132 posts
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    No, that's just mainstream superhero American comics in general. Not just DC.
  • Spanky 14 Jan 2013 19:49:02 14,408 posts
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    Flex Mentallo was quite amusing. Nice art anyway and the new collected edition has been laboriously recoloured very nicely.

    Plubs

  • morriss 14 Jan 2013 23:43:39 69,382 posts
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    Powers is the best comic run I've read to date, I think.
  • khaz 15 Jan 2013 08:04:14 2,132 posts
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    But its Bendis! The best of something can never involve Bendis!

    You wound me!
  • morriss 15 Jan 2013 09:07:00 69,382 posts
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    I fucking love it, sorry. :)
  • nickthegun 15 Jan 2013 09:24:32 44,527 posts
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    Where are you up to?

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  • morriss 15 Jan 2013 09:26:31 69,382 posts
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    Issue #26. Walker's just been reinstated.
  • kalel 15 Jan 2013 09:39:39 76,470 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    Powers is the best comic run I've read to date, I think.
    \o/

    Pretty much my favourite as well I think.
  • kalel 15 Jan 2013 09:42:27 76,470 posts
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    khaz wrote:
    But its Bendis! The best of something can never involve Bendis!

    You wound me!
    Bendis is probably the best example of what I'm talking about above. His pet project stuff is really good, particularly his crime stuff which is absolutely superb.

    His mainstream stuff is just total fluff and complete shit.
  • w00t 15 Jan 2013 09:43:07 10,476 posts
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    I am really enjoying Invincible at the moment. Got the first ultimate trade for Xmas - I may have bought the next 4 a few days later... Really good, missed this first time around.

    If you can see this, you're an idiot.

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