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  • Deleted user 10 December 2012 14:26:26
    kalel wrote:
    They're not flashbacks.
    Wrong word, but I mean narrative flashbacks - you're seeing what happened but juxtaposed against what is happening now showing the rise of the business and the parallels etc.

    I just think of a prequel as one that is solely based before the previous film, not one set either side of it.
  • kalel 10 Dec 2012 14:28:55 87,910 posts
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    I don't think there's a word for what Godfather 2 is because it's so unique, but it's both a prequel and a sequel for me. Neither story is really more important than the other. Don't forget the film actually starts in "prequel" mode.
  • GuiltySpark 10 Dec 2012 14:30:21 6,401 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    All the Terminator films take place in a loop in time. You can surely argue all of them after the first are prequels.
    You could argue that, despite it not really being right.

    Get bent.

  • LeoliansBro 10 Dec 2012 14:30:35 44,415 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    BttF doesn't loop in the same way.

    Until the Terminator franchise continues past the point where the first Terminator and Kyle Reece are sent back, they're all prequels (arguably). That is the initiation point in time of the Terminator narrative.
    So, you're saying that because the T-1000 was sent back BEFORE the original Terminator, that's what makes T2 a prequel?

    I did not know that was the case, I thought Skynet sent back the T-1000 later.

    Although I did know that obnoxious boy twat's adoptive mum (her of the knife arm) is (get ready for mindexplosion) Vasquez.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 10 December 2012 14:31:47
    This thread is becoming confusing drivel.
  • Deckard1 10 Dec 2012 14:32:10 28,243 posts
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    I knew that. She now owns a bra shop for woman with large titties.
  • kalel 10 Dec 2012 14:32:11 87,910 posts
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    Haaaaang on.

    I'm talking bollocks.
  • nickthegun 10 Dec 2012 14:34:04 60,135 posts
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    Fantomex wrote:
    This thread is becoming confusing drivel.
    It knows who Patrick Bateman is, though.

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  • GuiltySpark 10 Dec 2012 14:34:30 6,401 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    BttF doesn't loop in the same way.

    Until the Terminator franchise continues past the point where the first Terminator and Kyle Reece are sent back, they're all prequels (arguably). That is the initiation point in time of the Terminator narrative.
    So, you're saying that because the T-1000 was sent back BEFORE the original Terminator, that's what makes T2 a prequel?

    I did not know that was the case, I thought Skynet sent back the T-1000 later.
    The timeline that "matters" is the one the viewer is invested in - the Sarah Conner timeline, being pregnant in T1 and then John Conner in T2.

    Everything else affects that narrative line. In strange terms that I can't really articulate very well.

    Get bent.

  • kalel 10 Dec 2012 14:35:17 87,910 posts
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    No, I am talking total bollocks. None of the Terminator films are prequels, including Salvation.
  • nickthegun 10 Dec 2012 14:36:58 60,135 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    BttF doesn't loop in the same way.

    Until the Terminator franchise continues past the point where the first Terminator and Kyle Reece are sent back, they're all prequels (arguably). That is the initiation point in time of the Terminator narrative.
    So, you're saying that because the T-1000 was sent back BEFORE the original Terminator, that's what makes T2 a prequel?

    I did not know that was the case, I thought Skynet sent back the T-1000 later.

    Although I did know that obnoxious boy twat's adoptive mum (her of the knife arm) is (get ready for mindexplosion) Vasquez.
    I think its more that every event that leads up to arnie being sent back can be considered a prequel, insomuch as you can watch the terminator series in a linear order from any starting point.

    You can start with two, finish the series off and then watch T1, which becomes kind of a prequel backstory for how john connor was born.

    I think.

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  • GuiltySpark 10 Dec 2012 14:37:26 6,401 posts
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    At least you've jogged my memory, I have Terminator on Sky+. Gonna go watch it before some cunt deletes it for Corrie.

    Get bent.

  • Deckard1 10 Dec 2012 14:38:03 28,243 posts
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    Did.... did you just admit you were wrong kal?

    The countdown to the Apocalypse starts now.
  • GuiltySpark 10 Dec 2012 14:38:26 6,401 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    You can start with two, finish the series off and then watch T1, which becomes kind of a prequel backstory for how john connor was born.

    I think.
    You can do that with every trilogy/sequel you pillock : )

    Get bent.

  • nickthegun 10 Dec 2012 14:39:44 60,135 posts
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    Not like this. Its a time loop. If you watched The Matrix Reloaded, you would have no fucking clue what was going on if you hadnt seen the first one.

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  • Deleted user 10 December 2012 14:40:04
    Time travel does not mean prequel.
  • LeoliansBro 10 Dec 2012 14:40:08 44,415 posts
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    Maybe not. I'm remembering a Kyle Reese line from The Terminator, something like 'Skynet was smashed, we'd won'. The original Terminator was a last ditch effort.

    So, from when did Skynet send the other terminators back if not before?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • LeoliansBro 10 Dec 2012 14:41:42 44,415 posts
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    GuiltySpark wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    You can start with two, finish the series off and then watch T1, which becomes kind of a prequel backstory for how john connor was born.

    I think.
    You can do that with every trilogy/sequel you pillock : )
    Sadly yes. Terminator is a prequel to Terminator Salvation etc in the same way that Star Wars is a prequel to Empire Strikes Back.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • nickthegun 10 Dec 2012 14:41:55 60,135 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Maybe not. I'm remembering a Kyle Reese line from The Terminator, something like 'Skynet was smashed, we'd won'. The original Terminator was a last ditch effort.

    So, from when did Skynet send the other terminators back if not before?
    It could have sent them all back at the same time, to different points. Which is kind of pointless, but there you go.

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  • GuiltySpark 10 Dec 2012 14:42:14 6,401 posts
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    Nah, everything from Sarah Conner running from Arnie to the arm and chip at Cyberdyne, it's all sequel-y.

    I had no clue what was going on in Reloaded regardless.

    Get bent.

  • kalel 10 Dec 2012 14:42:24 87,910 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    Did.... did you just admit you were wrong kal?

    The countdown to the Apocalypse starts now.
    First time for everything.

    Being wrong that is.
  • LockeTribal 10 Dec 2012 14:42:51 4,516 posts
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    If Terminator 2 was on a treadmill going exactly the same speed as it would it ever become a prequel?
  • nickthegun 10 Dec 2012 14:43:09 60,135 posts
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    GuiltySpark wrote:
    I had no clue what was going on in Reloaded regardless.
    Vizzini wrote the matrix to balance itself out.

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  • nickthegun 10 Dec 2012 14:43:42 60,135 posts
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    Oh, the animatrix wasnt bad, getting back to prequels.

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  • LeoliansBro 10 Dec 2012 14:44:34 44,415 posts
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    Hmmmm.

    Star trek VI? Not a prequel in its run of films, but it was a prequel at the time as it was running alongside TNG...

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • nickthegun 10 Dec 2012 14:47:31 60,135 posts
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    I think thats stretching it a bit.

    Also, star trek proved you cant do a prequel with enterprise as it was just a giant, self referential canon snarl that got everyones backup.

    Then they proved you can do a prequel if you, effectively sack everything off and start again. So...yeah... reboot rather than prequel. I dont know where im going with this.

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  • kalel 10 Dec 2012 14:48:18 87,910 posts
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    I think darkm was right actually. Salvation is the Terminator film that can be considered a prequel, as (iirc) the whole thing precedes T1 (but also takes place after T3). It's the linking film in the loop, but unlike T2 and T3 definitely doesn't have any narrative that takes place after T1, and therefore can be considered a pure prequel unlike the others which definitely aren't.

    However, it's shit, so it's a moot point.
  • Deleted user 10 December 2012 14:49:04
    FFS. Some people need to read THIS.
  • LeoliansBro 10 Dec 2012 14:49:36 44,415 posts
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    Star Trek is awesomely both a canonical reboot (rather than a hand-wavy reboot) and a direct sequel rather than a prequel.

    AvP is a prequel. Just not a very good one. And Requiem, although we don't like to talk about that.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • kalel 10 Dec 2012 14:50:15 87,910 posts
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    We all know what a prequel is.
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